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Posted on 09-Jun-2003 21:35 GMT by magnetic (Edited on 2003-06-10 02:37:33 GMT by Christophe Decanini)100 comments
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We have launched our website! magneticsystems

This site is an Amiga and Video Toaster Sales/Repair and Pegasos/MOS Resale and Support site featuring a large and somewhat in depth review of the Pegasos system and MorphOS.

* Click on Pegasos Support on mainpage

Enjoy the article and site!
magnetic

There is also a section of the site devoted to Classic Amiga and Video Toaster Sales/Repair

*Click on Amiga Support on mainpage

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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 09-Jun-2003 22:38 GMT
Cool! I recognized the "magnetic avatar" ... :-)

Nice review! I like the personal touch to it too.

I am looking forward to see the review update as new OS updates arrives. It will be interesting to see the 68k benchmark values change when the JIT arrives! Dare we hope for JIT in 1.4? ;-)

(BTW, the URL needs some editing, there is a quotation mark at the end that does not belong there)
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 09-Jun-2003 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
> (BTW, the URL needs some editing, there is a quotation mark at the end that
> does not belong there)

Wow, that was fast! :-)
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Posted by gary_c on 09-Jun-2003 22:48 GMT
Great review! It's good to get all the details about compatibility, what's working, what's missing, performance comparisons, etc. Lives up to the advance billing. :-)

-- gary_c
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Jun-2003 22:50 GMT
Great work Magnetic.
You beated me at getting out the Pegasos/ MorphOS review first.
Plus you write in good English and did a good design.

Congratulations.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 09-Jun-2003 22:59 GMT
This is (excuse my language) a kick ass review, and you rule. You also wrote the best depiction of the stupid MorphOS vs. Amiga war that I have ever read, and I echo your sentiments: "We need to all stand together and promote the platform and support all the companies involved in bringing Amiga back from the grave."

That should be required reading for every person who has ever taken a side in the flame fests, and in fact I am going back to reread it after I finish writing this. Here is the URL of that part if anyone wants to skip right to it:

http://www.magneticsystemsnyc.com/PegRevPol.html

Good luck Magnetic, and I hope your business achieves great success.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Jun-2003 23:27 GMT
I could spot some typos and a few english mistakes.
Looks that I'm not the only one doing these ;)
My review is now pretty useless as you went through the same subjects I did :(
Soon you will accuse me of plagia ;)
-> I have almost the same tower, almost the same Amiga, almost the same cards in the Pegasos, the same boing Mouse pad, an ibook G3 300 etc.

I did not do the performance page yet as without JIT it won't make miracle compared to Amithlon and UAE JIT. I don't thing you can really trust SCSI bench CPU time estimations.

Well, nice review. I hope mine will be appreciated too.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2003 01:32 GMT
Good and bad?

The review is a decent short review.

However, I can't help but think why not use Amithlon or Amiga Forever? I haven't done a direct comparison but I believe that an AMD solution could get you more bang for your $$.

Amiga Forever 5.3 w/ Image FX doing a Sphereize on my system (2200+) performs the Sphereize in under 2 seconds.

Good job Genesi and good luck. But, I think if the G4 solution was priced where current G3 solution is we'd be talking about a bit better value.

Additionally, I'd like to see Genesi or Amiga, Inc. come out with IBM 970 CPU compatibility. I hope it's there. Then we'd be talking about power!
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2003 03:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Actually, a good Athlon beats the pants off any Amiga right now.

As for the review being unbiased, he concludes at the bottom that genesi is delivering so can do no wrong. Close to unbiased, but not there yet.
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Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 10-Jun-2003 03:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Christophe Decanini):
Magnetic you Kick Ass!<br><br>

Great review!
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2003 04:45 GMT
this is an unbiased review ? lol, the guy practicly sits with a hard one.

wierd how 2 people doing a review on the same computer can get such different 'results'
(thinking of the latest OSNews review)
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Posted by catohagen on 10-Jun-2003 04:51 GMT
>2. You must add Amiguide libraries yourself.
>3. You must use Amiga OS 68k Arexx libraries (no arexx built in)

isnt this illegal ?

maybe no one will care if you copy over your files from your old amiga system, but if Genesi are after new blood/new users, you can't
expect them to buy OS3.5 or 3.9 to get arexx or other tools running.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 10-Jun-2003 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Well, if you think about it, what did Eugenia actually write in her review? I think it was four pages, one about the hardware and the platform itself, one about MorphOS, one where she raves about how nicely Linux runs, and then a summary where she points out that they should prioritise Linux over MorphOS.
Really, only one page was spent on MorphOS, and it somehow gave me the impression that Eugenia, in spite of running a site called OSNews, didn't care much for MorphOS as an OS. It was very superficial, really.

Now, on a lighter topic, who is the good-looking man on the last page in the review? Is he free?
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Posted by gary_c on 10-Jun-2003 05:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> this is an unbiased review ?

Did he say it was going to be an "unbiased review"? magnetic is an enthusiast, and that shows, whereas Eugenia at osnews.com had no previous experience with the Amiga platform or MorphOS. It's natural that magnetic's familiarity and enthusiasm come through. But he doesn't try to write a dishonest report hiding MorphOS's shortcomings and exaggerating its good points, so it is a good overall review.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2003 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
>But, I think if the G4 solution was priced where current G3 solution is we'd>be talking about a bit better value It will be: 499,- for Peg2, they claim.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2003 05:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (gary_c):
@Gary_c:

"Did he say it was going to be an "unbiased review"? magnetic is an enthusiast, and that shows, whereas Eugenia at osnews.com had no previous experience with the Amiga platform or MorphOS."

Oh man. Where do I start.

First, a "review" must be unbiased, else it's "advertising". It's a great infomercial, but no review.
Secondly, the guy who likes it is "entushiastic", whereas the gal who didn't is "inexperienced". Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2003 05:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
>Amiga Forever 5.3 w/ Image FX doing a Sphereize on my system (2200+) performs>the Sphereize in under 2 seconds. Ok...wait for the JIT 68k emu integration into MOS then.Do you know how fast it is on the non-jitted AmigaOne + UAE?
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Posted by breed on 10-Jun-2003 05:44 GMT
@magnetic: i m just reading the review and that seels that there is a little mistake on http://www.magneticsystemsnyc.com/OrdArrv.html -> continue on to AMIBIENT

That s not continue on to AMBIENT :)))
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Posted by DaveP on 10-Jun-2003 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (gary_c):
"Did he say it was going to be an unbiased review?"

From page #1 " I am writing this review as unbiased as possible"

I tell you though, he has posted the most interesting and attractive looking shots of the system so far. Its one sweet beastie.
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Posted by Gareth Knight on 10-Jun-2003 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Bias is a major part of any review. It allows the reviewer to choose the subjects that are worth mentioning and those that should be ignored. In this case, the reviewer gave a balanced description of the hardware and operating system, highlighting his experience of the OS and potential problems.
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Posted by krize on 10-Jun-2003 07:08 GMT
Very good review, it made really want a pegasos , it looks beutiful and seems to really work !! ;)

Nice to see wich programs that works and wich doesnt .... nice :)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jun-2003 08:05 GMT
Ai ai ai ai Magnetic. Why didn't you do two reviews, besides this one you should have done one for disbelivers, consisting only of negative points, missing features and ending the review "this is crap but luckily OS4 will rawk and is soon here!"

:-)

Jokes aside, really, it's a very good review. I wouldnt call Pegasos a supercomputer and I would have mentioned some issues not working or missing in Ambient though. All in all, I doubt not many people could do a better review. Thanks, it was interesting reading.
Guess I don't have to do mine afterall.
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Posted by amigauser. on 10-Jun-2003 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
Excellent review of MorphOS! Amazing! Congratulations!

But on the other side - I haven't seen uglier INet presentation :(

[sorry]

amigauser.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
He's entitled to his opinion, never judge an article based on one review.

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (catohagen):
Legal issue's not withstanding, this shows that the MOS guys also still have alot of coding to do :)

I'm not a lawyer, but yea, this *could* be in violation with e EULA for the software, but then again, no-one has ever been sued based on such an argument.
BTW, it's not only those things, installer is also needed for some things and it's not perfect, it does break on some installerscripts whom work fine with the CBM installer.

I don't want this to degenerate into a legal flamefest, so i suggest we leave that to those who own the rights to the softwares to worry about it.

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Iggy Drougge):
She's entitled to her opinion is she not? Lets not forget that linux is way more mature then MOS or AOS, so that conclusion was to be expected, no?

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Flamebaiting are we?

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (hooligan/dcs):
Why not? Surely you could knock up a decent review too, no?

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 08:38 GMT
I just wanted to say that the review is nicely written, bias? yes, perhaps, but then again, this is written by an amiga user, not a linux user, so there were bound to be differences.

It's not because i don't need MOS that it should be written of, or be presented in a bad light, i'm sure that it has it's strengths & weaknesses, just like every OS out there.

Keep up the good work and good luck with it, looking forward to read your AOS4 review :)

Cheers
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Posted by priest on 10-Jun-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (hooligan/dcs):
"I would have mentioned some issues not working or missing in Ambient though"

?

Read again: http://www.magneticsystemsnyc.com/MIA.html

"1. No filemanager in OS.
2. You must add Amiguide libraries yourself.
3. You must use Amiga OS 68k Arexx libraries (no arexx built in)
4. No text editor! (this one hurt my feelings) you can download BareEd from Aminet.
5. NO TCP/IP stack! ( this is the killer) I already had MiamiDX on my 4000T so I could use that. Genesis also works from OS 3.5/3.9. There is a planned built in stack to be released in the near future Amitcp 5 native!
6. No email client - not a big deal you can download Yam 2.4 MOS native.
7. No floppy support - Peg has built in floppy controller but its not supported by Ambient (it is on Linux side) so If you want floppy support get a Catweasel!
8. Joystick support - as of yet there is no joystick support in Ambient - Catweasel also remedies this.
9. Printing - with MOS 1.3 release there is no native printing support - they are working on native Turbo Print as we speak.
10. No Installer - you must install Installer 43.3 yourself (its included on CD) and you must either change the default png icon to old os 3.9 style or run an arexx script to patch the install.
11. No 3D support for graphics cards - this is in the works; they have Voodoo3d drivers in late beta.
12. No native TV card support - must go 3rd party with apps like Visionary for GRex with PCI Graphics Cards
13. Icon handling is terrible as is snapshotting; should be dealt with in 1.4."


Perhaps the lack of recent (AOS3.9) Reaction, 68k JIT, etc. could have been mentioned as well, but IMO, "issues missing" was handled well.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (priest):
Wait a minute...

"10. No Installer - you must install Installer 43.3 yourself (its included on CD) and you must either change the default png icon to old os 3.9 style or run an arexx script to patch the install. "

The CBM installer is *included* with the MOS install? Didn't know that one yet

Cheers
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Jun-2003 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (catohagen):
Catohagen:
>>2. You must add Amiguide libraries yourself.
>>3. You must use Amiga OS 68k Arexx libraries (no arexx built in)

>isnt this illegal ?

Well.. If one has at least one unused copy of them (like I have 2 different releases of AmigaForEver and bunch of old Amiga OS.es) it's ok to use them.

And tt least they don't just copy old and unlicensed stuff ... I could name certain other company who just inted to wares 68k AREXX with their upcoming PPC-OS and expects to be get away with it freely.

> maybe no one will care if you copy over your files from your old amiga
> system, but if Genesi are after new blood/new users, you can't
> expect them to buy OS3.5 or 3.9 to get arexx or other tools running.

Well.. those are list of STILL missing parts.. I have no info of Amigaguide, but I do know that Genesi people have been working on their own PPC-native REXX quite some time. So, I'd rather say it's not there *yet*.
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Posted by Ferry on 10-Jun-2003 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (hooligan/dcs):
H> Guess I don't have to do mine afterall.

Please, do it. The more reviews the better, so the rest of us can read different oppinions and points of view. The overall image will be better... The same for OS4, when ready.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Jun-2003 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Amon_Re):
Well, can't tell about others but I found it on Aminet when I needed it with this Pega.. According Aminet own recors it's been there about 7 years now (369 weeks).
ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/misc/Installer-43_3.lha
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-Jun-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (JoannaK):
AREXX is the property of William S. Hawes.
Back in the Commodore days he was supposed to get royalties on OS 2.0+ sales (on a per copy basis).
Commodore did not pay him these royalties so he stopped anything Amiga related :(
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Jun-2003 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Christophe Decanini):
I'm darn happy I did purchase mine directly from Hawes (at OS1.3 era). At least I have legal and fully payed Arexx. Besides it has better manual than what came along later Amiga OS.es
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Posted by Vexar on 10-Jun-2003 11:15 GMT
Scathing critique of your website:

Too vertical, two ways. #1, a launch page for Amiga or MorphOS with an introductory "enter" page is rather silly. Rework your site layout. A lengthy list of hardware followed by a software list could easily be broken into a set of two. What's more, I'd suggest having your list database-oriented, with a flag on each item to determine if it shows in the "featured" list.

How do you plan on doing business over the internet without e-commerce? You expect everything to be done via email? Where's your business address? Your toll-free phone number? Some sense of customer testimonial or a track record for good reputation? How about a listing on a web-shopper's review site?

You have no intuition for content layout on the page and should hire a professional or use a template at the very least. Pick another online catalog company, borrow their layout style, and customize it to yours, as an alternative.

You should also have a page detailing how repairs are handled. I hope you do well. A professional looking website instills trust with new customers.


Last comment: case mods seem to be in these days. Track a case-modder down, see if that person will put a few efforts up for sale on consignment (and add a commission of your own as you see fit). That would add a curiosity to your site, and draw people from outside the "we still love Amiga" crowd, people interested in that would be interested in MorphOS.

I am very glad to see businesses showing a continued interest. Gauge your marketspace, do projected sales metrics. Build a growth plan. Offer to do OS demos at local tech/county colleges. Contract computer hardware solutions for small businesses in your area (using MorphOS).
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-Jun-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Vexar):
WOW !
I can not imagine what you will say when you will see my poor designed layout for my review ;)
At least I have a MOD part :)
I hope your constructive criticism will help Magnetic to make his site better.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jun-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (priest):
@Priest
I would have left some of the things off from that list and replaced them with other ones. There are lots of annoying things left, fortunately a lot of them is fixed in 1.4. Happy to say also some of my own ideas will be added and have already been added to 1.4 aswell, which is nice.

I don't go into details now, I will do so in my own review when 1.4 is released if I ever do one.
But as I said, I like the review.. give me some slack here.
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Posted by MarkTime on 10-Jun-2003 11:45 GMT
I liked the review overall and want to encourage people to do reviews like this, its reviews like this that always got me buying the magazine when they used to be done in printed magazines.

But one, very real, very serious criticism....you cannot run Mac OS X on MOL on Pegasos, legally.

You should have mentioned you support piracy and been very clear about that.
It's a violation of the EULA, its illegal, and if you get caught and convicted you could go to jail.

We all know most pirates don't go to jail, but I'm trying to stress what you are advocating is both wrong and highly offensive to some of us, in case you were just naturally assuming all amigans are pirates, you are wrong.
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Posted by Don Cox on 10-Jun-2003 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (MarkTime):
"But one, very real, very serious criticism....you cannot run Mac OS X on MOL on Pegasos, legally.

You should have mentioned you support piracy and been very clear about that.
It's a violation of the EULA, its illegal, and if you get caught and convicted you could go to jail."

That is very unlikely. Assuming you bought the OS X CD, the EULA is a contract between you and Apple. It could only be the subject of a civil case, and there is a very good chance that it would be declared invalid by the court, especially outside the US.

Apple would be within their rights in refusing you support if you run the software on hardware not made by them.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (JoannaK):
"And tt least they don't just copy old and unlicensed stuff ... I could name certain other company who just inted to wares 68k AREXX with their upcoming PPC-OS and expects to be get away with it freely. "

Care to be more specific? I don't want to start a flamewar tho, if you feel like replying, drop me a mail at ochal at kefren dot be

Cheers
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Posted by MarkTime on 10-Jun-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Don Cox):
Hi Don Cox, I didn't know you supported piracy, well we learn a lot today.
I said in my post its unlikely that somone will go to jail, though it is considered theft in the United States, and its prosecutable under both civil and criminal law.

However, very few people get caught...that is not under dispute.
It's nevertheless illegal and immoral.

Your belief that in other countries this is legal, is completely false. Licensing agreements are valid contracts in most countries of the world.

I won't cry for groups complaining about piracy when they couldn't make a stand against piracy...and I'm sick of the casual endorsement of piracy being
made by many. When you buy 'Mac OS X' you did not do anything but a license
to use it on Apple hardware for your own use, and if you do other things for which you don't have a license, you are a thief.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jun-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (JoannaK):
I didn't know that one.. Where can i find more info in this?

Cheers
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jun-2003 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (MarkTime):
Have a ball: http://www.dumblaws.com/states/

My personal favourite:
"Taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts."

- Massachusetts State Law
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Posted by MarkTime on 10-Jun-2003 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (hooligan/dcs):
Hi Hooligan,

Clarify your position please.
You are in favor of piracy or against it?

btw, intellectual property laws are dumb laws at all.
Without them, its legal to copy OS 4 to your hearts content, or MorphOS
for that matter.

You are going to have a hard time making a case, that anti-piracy laws
are dumb laws...

but you won't say what you really believe will you....everyone goes quiet
cause they are embarassed by their own positions.....AWWWWW, I think I felt a tear welling up.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jun-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (MarkTime):
I am an angel, just like you. I have bought or registered every one of the software I have used in past 20 years on all platforms I have owned or currently own, from ZX Spectrum to Pegasos.

The word "hypocritical" ring any bell?
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Posted by Ferry on 10-Jun-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (hooligan/dcs):
From http://www.dumblaws.com/states/

Simply the best:

Lousiana state law: "One could land in jail for up to a year for making a false promise."

He, he, nearly all technology companies should be located in Louisiana...

Another one:

Barber, North Carolina: "Fights between cats and dogs are prohibited."

...and all Amiga-Morphos related news sites should be located in Barber :-)

Hey, just kidding! ;-D

Ferrán
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Posted by Gareth Knight on 10-Jun-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (MarkTime):
"Hi Don Cox, I didn't know you supported piracy, well we learn a lot today."

Where did Don say he supported piracy? He merely stated the law on it.
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Posted by Mikey_C on 10-Jun-2003 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (catohagen):
And I quote from AmigaOS License agreement


- Permitted Uses and Restrictions.
This License allows you to install and use the Amiga Software on a single Amiga-labeled or Amiga-licensed computer at a time. This License does not allow the Amiga Software to exist on more than one computer at a time. You may make one copy of the Amiga Software in machine-readable form for backup purposes only. The backup copy must include all copyright information contained on the original.

Mikey C
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Posted by cAHVA on 10-Jun-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Mikey_C):
Oh S*IT! I have been pirating AOS when using WinUAE! :) Ok, I'll just slap an Amiga-sticker to my Winbox and call it Amiga. :D
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