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AmigaWorld.net has posted 5 new official AmigaOS4 screenshots. The latest shots show several appearance differences regarding the GUI. AmiPDF, YAM and Colonization are amongst the software shown.
5 more official Amiga OS4 screenshots : Comment 1 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 13-Jun-2003 20:56 GMT
Gimme gimme gimme! I want it NOW! :-)
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 13-Jun-2003 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Peter Gordon):
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the gradient on the last one is NICE!

:-)

Ian
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jun-2003 21:24 GMT
And for us who don't feel like unnecessarily loading THAT frigging site, can of course get the pix from where they're linked to in the first place:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4/shot1.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4/shot2.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4/shot3.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4/shot4.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4/shot5.png

Purdy!
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Posted by James Carroll on 13-Jun-2003 21:33 GMT
http://amigaworld.net/modules/features/os4/shot1.html

at last, they try using a white background for one window.. and it looks good! I wonder if they'll use more white.
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 13-Jun-2003 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
W*nker.
5 more official Amiga OS4 screenshots : Comment 6 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 13-Jun-2003 21:38 GMT
Real nice images.
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Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 13-Jun-2003 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Yeah... Let's "get the pix from where they're linked to in the first place" 'cause after all... AmigaWorld.net don't do anything productive afterall.

Oh... btw... look at those URL's carefully...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4/shot1.png

Do you see that? the ddoyle bit? You do know that's the name of guy who run's AmigaWorld don't you?

Does that give you a hint?

Idiot!
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Posted by James Carroll on 13-Jun-2003 21:45 GMT
One more thing.. MUI programs look really dated compared to Reaction. Is there going to be a better looking MUI for OS 4.0?
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Posted by Ben on 13-Jun-2003 21:47 GMT
Cool - I cant wait until next month... :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jun-2003 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (TheArrogantSarny):
Attaboy! Way to misinterpret!

> Idiot!

My, aren't we easily annoyed tonight. :-)

By using the direct URLs, one doesn't have to wade through all the other crud that aincworld.net throws at you. Spares everybody's bandwidth, system resources and sanity. Is it clearer now?
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 13-Jun-2003 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
No, what is clearer is that...

You're a troll.

Anyway, back to the pics - I think the new gadgets look pretty damn nice :-)

Ian
5 more official Amiga OS4 screenshots : Comment 12 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jun-2003 22:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ian Shurmer):
Only trolling I can see is from you and TheArrogantSarny.
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Posted by Bennymee on 13-Jun-2003 22:09 GMT
I'll keep focused on the 'draggable' text in the screenmode gadget. Does it work with a Voodoo ?
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Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 13-Jun-2003 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Fair enough. I'm just fed up of all the AmigaWorld.net bashing and you got caught in the crossfire. Apologise if this is not the motivation.

These guys (AmigaWorld.net) produce this website and provide a service to the public for free (and probably at some considerable personal cost) and all the majority of people do is bitch about it.

Personally, if a site goes to the trouble of producing something I give that site the respect it deserves. Telling someone how to bypass the site in order to leech it's images does not equal respect as it doesn't even credit the site with being the source in the first place.
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 13-Jun-2003 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Going by the rest of the comments you've just made on ann I won't even take the slightest offence to you.

Anyway, I really REALLY hope the screens are draggable :-)

Ian
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 13-Jun-2003 22:15 GMT
Take a look at shot 5:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-2/shot5.png

Why the change in window design from "Format CDRW" window to "Screenmode Preferences". They both use the Reaction GUI, should the "resize bar" be located on the bottom of both windows? Perhaps it's just me, I think the bar should either be revamped and totally done away with and use the idea done up by SimoAmi or it needs to be a system wide standard location.

About the glow icons, can't they offer a pack of glow icons without the shadows so the icons can look decent on darker backgrounds? If not, would they object if someone did so after the fact? I've got over 1300 glow icons without shadows and wouldn't mind contributing all of them to the final pressed CD.
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Posted by Mayonaise on 13-Jun-2003 22:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
"By using the direct URLs, one doesn't have to wade through all the other crud that aincworld.net throws at you. Spares everybody's bandwidth, system resources and sanity. Is it clearer now?"

idiot.
5 more official Amiga OS4 screenshots : Comment 18 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Jun-2003 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (the man in the shadows):
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-2/shot5.png

... only shows "Visit www.amigaworld.net"

No! I don't think so! :-/
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Jun-2003 23:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
These are propably the same screenshots anyway:

http://os.amiga.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1731&highlight=
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 13-Jun-2003 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (TheArrogantSarny):
I just think it's pathetic that they changed the direct links after someone posted them. If they want the coverage to be on AmigaWorld.net then they should host the pictures there. One of my articles I wrote for PCWorld discusses the pros and cons of the computer world on the net. Until someone finds a way to make binary media that works cross platform (no not Java or Flash), there's not going to be a way to "hide" a picture from snooping eyes. Just the other day I was talking with someone who didn't want any snapshots of his precious GUI that he made in Java, talk about pathetic. If it's visual, and public, people will find it and post it, even if they mirror it on their own server. The "Visit AmigaWorld.net" 1024x768 image in the old "/os4/" directory (now moved to the "/os4-2/" directory) is a pathetic attempt to try and draw more bandwidth when the images aren't even hosted on the advertised server. It's like that anti-popup killer system some dork worked out.
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 13-Jun-2003 23:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
Yup, they've been mirrored on my personal servers now... no more of this jumping around bs. Take em offline if you can.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jun-2003 23:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
Checked it out for you. New images:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-4/shot1.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-4/shot2.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-4/shot3.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-4/shot4.png
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ddoyle/os4-4/shot5.png

...boy, isn't this funny new game!
5 more official Amiga OS4 screenshots : Comment 23 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 13-Jun-2003 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Ah the sweet tones of a real live troll. Are there more of your kind? Do you have a mate? Mustn't let your breed die off now must we.

>...boy, isn't this funny new game!
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Posted by Ray A. Akey on 14-Jun-2003 03:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
J00 are k00l. |<an eye b3 j00r friend?

P.S. Davey, I can help you with problem, so that this troll can't skirt your site.. I'll talk to you in IRC. :)
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 14-Jun-2003 03:10 GMT
A few UI-directed thoughts, if anyone from Hyperion's trolling through-

1. Beautiful!

2. If you could turn off the top border of the window frames (the few pixels separating it from the titlebar), and/or make the bottom border of the titlebar take precedence (3D 'on top of' the frames), it'd bring the aesthetics in line with every other popular GUI. Simple fix; I'm not doubting that whoever's working on it saw the 'trouble' already.

3. I honestly don't know the origin of AmiPDF (that's 3rd-party, right?), but in that case, the scroll buttons don't square up in any way.. meanwhile, I notice that IBrowse *does* reserve a block of space in the corner of its scroll widgets, perfect for a panner widget. There's still the whole conflict with the standard resize tab and fat bottom borders... but if things like IBrowse could later dump "status bar" info into that line, maybe it's okay?

3.5. Just food for thought on that one- it'd be great to be able to someday maximize things like IBrowse or AmiPDF onto their own screens (akin to IE or Moz in kiosk mode) - in that case, you'd ditch the resize tab entirely, being maximized - which means that, if you put a status bar there for 'normal' use, it now has to reflow somewhere else.. (Ideally, going full-screen would put the panner directly in the lower right corner, so the user can just slam the mouse pointer down there without having to think.)

If nobody has a clue what I mean by a "panner," shout and I'll rehash that old proposal. ;)
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 14-Jun-2003 03:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (the man in the shadows):
Can't you just stay in the shadows please Mr. Troll?

Ian :-)
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Posted by DaveP on 14-Jun-2003 05:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Ian Shurmer):
Those shots are much better than the previous lot. Bravo!
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Posted by Don Cox on 14-Jun-2003 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bennymee):
"I'll keep focused on the 'draggable' text in the screenmode gadget."

That isn't anything new. It has always been in the screen mode prefs.
What it means is that you can set up a screen bigger than your display, maybe 2560x2048 pixels, and drag it to show different workspaces. Some programs have keyboard short cuts for this.

It does not mean that you can drag down one screen to reveal another behind it. There have been suggestions as to how that could be done with modern graphics cards, but it would mean some serious rewriting of the GUI and I'm sure is not in AOS 4.
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Posted by Don Cox on 14-Jun-2003 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (the man in the shadows):
"About the glow icons, can't they offer a pack of glow icons without the shadows so the icons can look decent on darker backgrounds? If not, would they object if someone did so after the fact? I've got over 1300 glow icons without shadows and wouldn't mind contributing all of them to the final pressed CD."

IMO MorphOS has the right answer here - use PNG format images so that you can have true 8-bit alpha channels. I think the actual MorphOS icons that I've seen are rather too big, but the idea is right.
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Posted by Don Cox on 14-Jun-2003 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
"3.5. Just food for thought on that one- it'd be great to be able to someday maximize things like IBrowse or AmiPDF onto their own screens (akin to IE or Moz in kiosk mode) "

Anyone would normally run IBrowse on its own screen, and likewise the PDF viewer (APDF or AmiPDF). What you seem to be asking for is a screen with no window borders, as in TVPaint, Lightwave, PPaint, some of the Hollywood examples, etc.

However, in the case of IBRowse, each browser is in a window and there is a "New Window" menu item, so perhaps a borderless display wouldn't make sense.

It would be nice to have a paint program like TVPaint but able to run several copies, each on its own edge-to-edge screen, while able to cut and paste brushes between them. I don't like the way programs such as Art Effect put the images inside windows. In DPaint and PPaint, the alternative image is hidden: it should be visible, on a second screen.

Now that we have plenty of graphics RAM, I think multi-screen programs make more sense. With only 2 Megs of chip RAM, you would soon be running out.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 14-Jun-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Here, have a mirror.

Cheers
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Posted by Uncharted on 14-Jun-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Don Cox):
The icon system is certainly more advanced than the current AmigaOS from what I saw of it. There are multiple options for highlighting etc. I would personnally prefer an option for creating an Alpha glow around the icons like on glowicons(but obviously looking much better).

The problem with MorphOS icons though is that too much effort has been spent on making them pretty and as such they have lost functionailty, by becoming too complicated (and as you said too big).

The best MorphOS Ambient desktop Grab I've seen is one that uses icons ripped from MacOS X. MacOS X is a good example of how to make pretty, yet functional icons.
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Posted by Don Cox on 14-Jun-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Uncharted):
"The problem with MorphOS icons though is that too much effort has been spent on making them pretty and as such they have lost functionailty, by becoming too complicated (and as you said too big)."

I have nearly 50 icons in the dock on one of my machines, so I prefer them not too big. There is a long tradition of oversized icons on the Amiga.
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Jun-2003 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Don Cox):
> There is a long tradition of oversized icons on the Amiga.

There is ?! I have missed that. On a 1280x1024 screen, OS3 icons are too small for my taste (of course: the icon size originated in topaz 8 times). But I guess that's a general problem with flat monitors, they are smaller AND have higher resolutions. MorphOS icons are a bit large but that's not too bad, who knows what the standard resolution in three years will be.
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Posted by Chip on 14-Jun-2003 20:00 GMT
Hmm... MUI applications seems a little bit unpolished. Check YAM's scrolling gadgets.
What about to clone the reaction settings/images into MUI settings? Is that possible?
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Jun-2003 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Don Cox):
> I think the actual MorphOS icons that I've seen are rather too big, but the idea is right

Btw, since most 17", 18" and 19" TFT screens have the same resolution (1280x1024), the percieved size of those icons varies greatly.
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Posted by Budda on 14-Jun-2003 20:11 GMT
Great stuff... nice to see some examples of how the desktop *can* look if a little effort is made.
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Posted by James Carroll on 14-Jun-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Chip):
"Hmm... MUI applications seems a little bit unpolished. Check YAM's scrolling gadgets.
What about to clone the reaction settings/images into MUI settings? Is that possible?"

I was thinking the same thing. Ben Hermans mentioned on amiga.org yesterday that they were going to update the look, and that it just takes time. I'm guessing they want to finish the Intuition/Reaction look first.
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Posted by Atheist2 on 14-Jun-2003 21:55 GMT
I thought technology was advancing.

We've lost blitter.

Apparently draggable screens aren't possible, even though, I don't understand why they don't just double the pixels in the x and y directions for screens exactly half or 4* for quarter resolution for images under the current screen, with centering included for sizes that still don't match up.

You could have the option of centering on the vertical and horizontal, so that, if you want, the screen underneath could just appear from the top of the screen down, but centered left and right. Or directly centered, both directions.

They BETTER still have a RAD:!!!!


AmigaOne! Please quit LOSING features!
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Posted by James Sellman on 15-Jun-2003 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Atheist2):
Draggable screens weren't a function of the blitter. What happened instead was you could use the copper to change the display mode and display pointers between scanlines. Most SVGA hardware doesn't support this.

(As an aside, this kind of effect has been done before on the C=64. It had to be done with the CPU, but you could have an interrupt-driven operation to change the display mode partway down the screen. This was called "split screen" mode and was used when you wanted to have high-res monochrome graphics and low-res color graphics on the screen at the same time. The limitations of using the CPU for this were apparent though in that there was always some flickering on the "border" scanline because you could never ensure that the registers would be set at exactly the same raster position... Anyway the effect was still useful -- I had a terminal program that used it.)
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Posted by Don Cox on 15-Jun-2003 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
"> There is a long tradition of oversized icons on the Amiga.

There is ?! I have missed that."

That is, from particular programs. OctaMED SS is one example.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2003 10:32 GMT
Those shots still look ugly to me, I wish they would have been slightly more modern. Atleast add a bit of contrast between the backgrounds and gadgets.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2003 12:19 GMT
Seems like the icons are finalised as well.
I have only question: Why does AmiPDF use
"modern" toolbar icons, when the rest of
the system is using GlowIcons. Should not
AmiPDF use GlowIcons as well. Just to get
a standard look. Thanks.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 15-Jun-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
IBrowse uses the same old ugly icons as well. Really, the IBrowse issue needs to be fixed, they were ugly even when they were first conceived.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2003 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
The icons are not finalised




http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?item_id=580&comment_id=2478&mode=thread&order=0#2478
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 15-Jun-2003 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (James Sellman):
On the draggable screens debate- half the reasoning for 'screens' in their time was performance; CPU-bound scaling generally harms performance, though we're now to the point where we can ask if it's reasonable to fob it off on 3D accellerators and regain the UI benefit. I don't know if it's an issue of going backwards as much as coming full circle (in a roundabout way).

My question would be: No dragging for screens *in* the same mode as the Workbench?
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Posted by Jon on 15-Jun-2003 18:02 GMT
Does anyone know if it's possible to "poke" Colonization so that it would use a larger window? With luck, it might even work :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jun-2003 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Jon):
No, dont think it is possible.
However, I just downloaded Colonization for Amiga,
but unfortunately the game screws up some of my
(locked) VisualPrefs colours. Especially the
inactive colors. Im beginning to think thats why
the window is clipped in the OS4 screenshot... :)
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Posted by Nomad of Norad on 15-Jun-2003 19:13 GMT
Is that a completly-rewritten-from-scratch Notepad program they show running on pic #4? I remember that the Notepad they used to have, circa Dos 1.x (and which disappeared at or around DOS 2.0 or so), had a limitation of only supporting fairly small text files. (Anything larger got truncated.) It allowed you to insert ANSI escape sequences, such as Bold and Underlined, into your documents by simply clicking on the appropriate menu item (or something like that, it's been awhile since I fiddled with it), but also inserted an extraneous extra character into it (a Null character, IIRC). The world has moved away from ANSI escape sequences, though, but if the new Notepad DOES support that feature, I hope they DITCHED the Null characters from it! And I hope they removed the limit in text-file-size.

We NEED a good text-processor (as apposed to word processor) program bundled with the new AmigaDOS, since such things would be used extensively with, f'rex, e-mail and news readers.

NoN
5 more official Amiga OS4 screenshots : Comment 50 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 16-Jun-2003 03:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Ian Shurmer):
> Can't you just stay in the shadows please Mr. Troll?

Honestly, first time I've ever been called a troll. I spoke my opinion and backed up my thoughts with evidence. I wasn't fishing for, or asking for interjection to change the thoughts and actions of those who support AmigaWorld.net. I was only pointing out how childish the image hopping was when the images were not even on the host they were asking to redirect to. If the developers of AmigaWorld.net knew anything about server masking, they would know how to intercede any and all remote accessed images from out sourced servers. It's obvious that they either 1) don't know how to do this simple task or 2) don't have the server co-located to be able to handle this and so they swap the images demanding that you visit their site making more footwork for themselves to support the site without losing "hits". Personally I think the developers know how to do what was just described and the supporting members of AmigaWorld.net are acting quite childish in their image swapping efforts. Keep in mind, not everyone who supports AmigaWorld.net are childish in the same sense, just the ones responsible for foolish decisions such as the image swapping.

However, that's my opinion... not trolling. Back up your claims before calling me a troll next time.
--
Kent - Amiga.org
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