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[Files] AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released!ANN.lu
Posted on 16-Jun-2003 13:16 GMT by Lukas Stehlik15 comments
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2 new Pegasos tests - 3x Pegasos, 2x Amithlon, 2x Amiga, 2x UAE.
Graphics: 1st place Pegasos, 2nd place Pegasos and 3rd place Pegasos:)
Added harddisk and memory test (early beta).

AmiGOD2 Homepage. Sorry for long delay, I bought PEGASOS PPC G3 & I am learning to school, but holidays are coming and complete support of external modules too:)

AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 1 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 16-Jun-2003 15:29 GMT
Well, I'm glad that someone managed to prove that a PPC amiga is not a total waste of money - A G3 Peg beating a PC running Amithlon should be some ammo against those saying that x86 was the ONLY way to go for amiga.
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 2 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jun-2003 16:15 GMT
Is there someway to see the stats w/o having to install the software?

Webpage of comparisons perhaps so I can use Netscape and MacOS 9 to see them?
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 3 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 16-Jun-2003 16:59 GMT
Is there a MorphOS release yet or is it just a new 68k version ?
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 4 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Kal-L on 16-Jun-2003 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (CodeSmith):
C'mon, you're comparing a native OS (MorphOS) running on PPC and an emulation (Amithlon) running on a PC...
If there had been a x86 version of MorphOS, I'm pretty sure an Athlon 1.4 Ghz would have beaten a version running on a G3 600 Mhz (but at same spee, the G3 would have been faster).
So compare what can be compared....

Kal-L
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 5 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Lukas Stehlik on 16-Jun-2003 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kal-L):
It's just a new 68k version - so you can compare Amithlon and Pegasos:)
MorphOS 1.3 doesn't have 68k JIT emulation and Amithlon is 68k JIT!
PowerD language will support MorphOS soon and then AmiGOD2 will run native at MorphOS too, so Pegasos will be much more faster than now!!!
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 6 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jun-2003 19:00 GMT
My experience is different: m68k software doesn't run very quickly (roughly half speed compared to my PC 1.5 GTHz with JIT). This is a bit unfair however, ie. a JIT vs. non-JIT comparison. My final verdict will have to wait until MOS1.4 with JIT is available.

MorphOS itself (ie. real PPC code) is however very snappy, very fast, and generally speaking runs circles around the PC. That only goes to say that, however good emulation is, native applications really make a massive difference. The papers say that emulation reaches 70% of native speed. I don't believe that. Wellm maybe in some rare cases.
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 7 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by HammerD on 16-Jun-2003 19:41 GMT
Well I guess it depends how fast your X86 box is. My 2GHz Athlon XP running Amithlon with memory at 200MHz (400DDR) and a GeForce 3 card blows away the Pegasos still...
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 8 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 16-Jun-2003 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (HammerD):
HammerD says:

> Well I guess it depends how fast your X86 box is. My 2GHz Athlon XP
> running Amithlon with memory at 200MHz (400DDR) and a GeForce 3
> card blows away the Pegasos still...

Somehow, I just don't think so. What is the basis for your claim? Do you have both, has your user group put Pegasos and your 2 GHz X86 head to head and we all missed it?

A guy from my user group and I are looking at running this kind of contest with his Amithlon. So far we have only compared boot time, from press-power-button to GUI-displayed-and-hard-drive-not-accessing (Pegasos won). He has a 1.3 or 1.6 GHz machine though. I'll accept if you say your Amithlon does better, but you will have to tell us some more. How many seconds to boot then? I know that is just one part of it, we really need a bunch more benchmarks to know.

I am not arguing with your basic reasoning. Eventually a power-guzzling X86 will beat the 600 MHz Pegasos at this kind of contest, if not the three GHz Pentium4 of today, then the six GHz model of two years from now. The X86 owner will be watching his power bill climb however!
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 9 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 17-Jun-2003 04:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Daniel Miller):
<snip>

> I am not arguing with your basic reasoning. Eventually a power-guzzling X86
> will beat the 600 MHz Pegasos at this kind of contest, if not the three GHz
> Pentium4 of today, then the six GHz model of two years from now. The X86 owner > will be watching his power bill climb however!

Right now, I'm blowing ~$25 @ year more in power, and only because I run SETI. If I wasn't running SETI, it would probably be about $5 more a year vs running with a G3. I'll take the extra cost of running a faster CPU, thanks. ;^)

Dammy
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 10 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 17-Jun-2003 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (dammy):
So you're running the 6GHz machine of two years from now already, then? ;-)
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 11 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 17-Jun-2003 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (CodeSmith):
Finally someone is giving Don's PC a run for his money :-)

Been waiting for this moment, I have ;-)
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 12 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Jun-2003 05:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Olegil):
"Finally someone is giving Don's PC a run for his money :-)

Been waiting for this moment, I have ;-)"

As soon as there is a PPC based Amiga which comes up twice as fast as my Amithlon, I will replace the motherboard. There's no point in spending hundreds of pounds for less than a doubling of speed.

However, I still question whether anyone who is not already an Amiga fanatic will even consider for a moment buying custom hardware with a high price and low clock speed. However much you argue that clock speed doesn't matter, it is what all the PC adverts stress and what the customers are looking for.

I think you could put an Amiga or Pegasos in the window of any of my local computer shops, and it would sit there forever unsold. I would love to be proved wrong.

Downloaded the new version of AmiGOD but haven't had time to run it yet.
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 13 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Targhan on 17-Jun-2003 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Don Cox):
Well, I ran AmiGOD2 here, and just knocked the Pegasos out of first place in the Graphics tests.... Oh wait... I'm running a Pegasos too :-)
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 14 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Lukas Stehlik on 17-Jun-2003 06:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Targhan):
Send me total results and your configuration (computer & gfx card & resolution) please! I have just uploaded BENCHMARKS PAGE and you can compare computers without Amiga or Amiga emulator. I will add your results too. More info http://amigod.zde.cz
AmiGOD2 BETA 15.06.2003 released! : Comment 15 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by HammerD on 17-Jun-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Daniel Miller):
>Somehow, I just don't think so. What is the basis for your claim? Do you have >both, has your user group put Pegasos and your 2 GHz X86 head to head and we >all missed it?

This thread is about AmiGOD2 benchmarks. A Pegasos user (a good friend of mine) asked me to fire up Amithlon and run the benchmark, which I did.

>A guy from my user group and I are looking at running this kind of contest >with his Amithlon. So far we have only compared boot time, from press-power->button to GUI-displayed-and-hard-drive-not-accessing (Pegasos won). He has a >1.3 or 1.6 GHz machine though. I'll accept if you say your Amithlon does >better, but you will have to tell us some more. How many seconds to boot then? >I know that is just one part of it, we really need a bunch more benchmarks to >know.

The only result I can remember off the top of my head is my 2D Graphics score, which was 75000. If you look on the AmiGOD benchmark page you will see that is higher than any other score on that page. Sure, that one isn't an example of "blowing away", but some of my other results *did* do that... I made screenshots of all my results and I can post them on my website later if you want.

I do agree with you - the stop watch is one of the best ways to measure things. And I don't necessarily trust AmiGod's results anyway.
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