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[News] Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker!ANN.lu
Posted on 16-Jun-2003 22:14 GMT by Mikey_C (Edited on 2003-06-17 01:18:06 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)44 comments
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Murphy Auctions Site:
"AMIGA INC IS NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT AN AUCTION OF AMIGA AS A CORPORATE ENTITY" looks like some proper clarification at last.
No need to panic. :)
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 1 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey_C on 16-Jun-2003 20:17 GMT
Damn one quotation mark too many :(

http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 2 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jun-2003 20:20 GMT
Yeah, no need to panic. Just selling out some old furnitures.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 3 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Jun-2003 20:28 GMT
Okey they really have economical problems
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 4 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 16-Jun-2003 20:39 GMT
Could you crazy people stop harrassing that auction house with phonecalls etc.. It's not their fault AmigaInc has not pay their rents last fall. Let them do their jobs.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 5 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Jun-2003 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
This lazy Amiga Inc employers should start working like every one else so they do get trowed out like bunch of drug addicts,

Okey I'm only being sarcastic about the issue.

Do hope they make it, just hope that what ever happens will not effect AmigaOS4.x development
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 6 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jun-2003 21:05 GMT
@ Mikey C

"AMIGA INC IS NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT AN AUCTION OF AMIGA AS A CORPORATE ENTITY. This sale is being conducted for property management of office assets only.
We apologize if their has been any confusion on this matter. "

Do you *really* think that *anyone* ever thought that the auction firm was auctioning the Amiga Inc company itself? I think it was clear for everyone that it's a forced auction of Amiga Incs material property, and NOT the company! And do you *really* think that this auction firm knows/cares about Amiga Inc's financial status, other than the fact that they are hired by the landlord to sell out Amiga Inc's material property?

Where is the "Shocker" in this???
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 7 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 16-Jun-2003 21:19 GMT
Another thread with meaningless discussions. Why don´t you just buy the products you want to buy? Stop caring so much about companies and stupid company politics.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 8 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jun-2003 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (LinusG):
Exactly!
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 9 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by grandpa on 16-Jun-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
But where would that leave you granny? Get off your soap box, it is dirty.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 10 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jun-2003 22:21 GMT
And the news is...?

Stew
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 11 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jun-2003 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (grandpa):
> But where would that leave you granny? Get off your soap box, it is dirty.


"Another thread with meaningless discussions."

*I* didn't start this meaningless thread. When I start threads, at least I *try* to give it some meaning.
;-)


"Why don´t you just buy the products you want to buy?"

I have, thank you, and I like it! Looking forward to OS version 1.4 ... :-)



"Stop caring so much about companies and stupid company politics."

I *try* to stay away from the *stupid* companies, but sometimes it's hard, like my postings in this thread!
:-p
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 12 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Bert Dorhout on 16-Jun-2003 22:42 GMT
Nice equipment, though..

Bert
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 13 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Jun-2003 22:46 GMT
Mikey_C wrote:
> looks like some proper clarification at last.
No need to panic. :)

Did some people actually think this auction was a result of Amiga, Inc. going out of business? AFAIK, everybody knew all along that it was simply the company's landlord auctioning off Amiga's belongings to recovery part of past rent that is owed. Really, you ought to avoid bringing this sad business up again, especially if you feel something positive toward the company.

-- gary_c
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 14 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 16-Jun-2003 22:58 GMT
If you click on the "show more pictures" link in the
lower left you get to see the foosball table!

I am sorry, but I think this is Amiga Inc.'s just
desserts for all their swindles and deceptions and
nonsense and baseless accusations against MorphOS.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 15 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 17-Jun-2003 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Daniel Miller):
yawn
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 16 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2003 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
Whats the matter Joanna, upset that AInc is not bankrupt after all?
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 17 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 17-Jun-2003 04:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
> Whats the matter Joanna, upset that AInc is not bankrupt after all?

Give Amiga Inc some more time to accomplish that feat, I have alot of confidence in those boys! ;^)

Dammy
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 18 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 17-Jun-2003 04:09 GMT
Well, they are not out of business are we told.
OK.

But nobody will convince me they're perfectly healthy. No smoke without fire.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 19 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 17-Jun-2003 04:35 GMT
ahh....a wayne free thread :)
got a bit bored of wayne's waves of anger over at a.org, wierd how similar adults can be to kids when things don't work out, hehe.

ontopic......so this means no one can bid on McEven ?
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 20 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 17-Jun-2003 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
And for the ladies, we have a nice thing over here, who will start the bidding at $50? Comes with a free T-shirt.

Hmm, was I evil? :-)
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 21 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 17-Jun-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
I guess he has his reasons to feel the way he does about Amiga Inc ...
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 22 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 17-Jun-2003 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (takemehomegrandma):
In that case I could understand him just taking his hat and walking away, but must he destroy all discussions with endless repetitions of old stuff?

I would NEVER say I wanted someone to go bankrupt, but maybe that's because I'm not that evil? I don't frelling CARE what happens to Amiga Inc any more. I care about the Amiga, and I see some very good ideas not happening because people are too busy arguing. Annoying, it is.

People are ALWAYS going on and on about "on schedule and rocking". Well, to quote Alkis in a different thread here this week:

The MOS JIT _worked_ in 2001
MOS JIT was NOT 100% bugfree for the 1.3 release, so won't be released until 1.4, because a JIT MUST be 100% bugfree

I see other people than Amiga Inc having a WEE spot of trouble defining just what is going on ;-)

(hint, if it MUST be 100% bugfree to be considered for a release, and it's not that in 2003, then it certainly wasn't working in 2001. unless the SPECS have changed, but then it's really not the same emulator...)
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 23 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga Fan (Not AmigaInc) on 17-Jun-2003 09:01 GMT
It is pathetic how you Amiga Inc worshipping bastards try to shift the blame on the landlord and auctioneers then have the nerve to ring up/e-mail the auctioneers with abuse and accusing them of destroying Amiga Inc, this Amiga community contains the lowest bunch of blind ignorant scum i have ever seen.

Why not go one step further and petrol bomb the auctioneers offices, homes, kill their families? you guys make me sick.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 24 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-Jun-2003 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
>>ahh....a wayne free thread :)

now if only we could have a catohagen et all free thread ;)
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 25 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 17-Jun-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Amiga Fan (Not AmigaInc)):
What, you mean the way you guys are always wishing that Amiga Inc. goes bust and us guys working there are out of our jobs there as a result?

Even if you don't like me, Gary, Fleecy or Bill or <insert name of alternate vocal Amiga Inc. employee/contractor hated for reason X>, there are others working at or for Amiga who are just as important as the auctioneers and are working to make a living. You might want to think about that next time you cry foul at Amiga supporters.

Just a wee bit of hypocrasy there in my opinion. But carry on, we know that pointing it out won't change a thing.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 26 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2003 09:10 GMT
We have talked about this about million times. This is boring. Can't you just stop posting "news" like this again and again :P
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 27 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 17-Jun-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Amiga Fan (Not AmigaInc)):
Place explain what AInc have done that is so bad that you wont every employees of AmigaInc out on the street?

PS. Do you like AmigaOS3.5 and AmigaOS3.9? okey Ainc have not directly produced this products how ever they have founded the development of AmigaOS, is it really a bad thing?

Place explain.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 28 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-Jun-2003 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Kjetil):
>how ever they have founded the development of AmigaOS,
if you mean funded the development then you are wrong, ainc-clowns never gave a cent to hp or hyperion
if you meant founded then you are wrong in fact when they licenced it from gateway they killed the classic amiga and the ppc port of it..
adios
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 29 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 17-Jun-2003 10:20 GMT
Guys, guys, GUYS!!
What's all this ranting about. You all look like a bunch of football hooligans who can't control their primitive emotions about something as material as a niche computer platform !! My god, please all grow up !!
With all these fierce debats I don't even want to return to the Amiga platform.
This makes the Amiga/AtariST "war" look like real childsplay. This is sooo different then back in the A500/A1200 days, were we all enjoyed the Amiga, and were all living in harmony.
I'll just stick to WinUAE and get nostalgic again and leave you all in this mudpool, bah !!
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 30 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 17-Jun-2003 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ray A. Akey):
Your getting payed by Amiga Inc. now (money)? You consider yourself an employee of Amiga Inc. now (instead of a web design contractor living in Canada)?
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 31 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 18-Jun-2003 02:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray, your comment........

So how many people at Amiga have not the ability to get work somewhere else?
As much as it seems Amiga is a charity organization, it is not filed as such.

There is nothing honest about your comment Ray. Is Amiga Not Paying into Unemployeement?

All it does is expose your own disconnection with reality. Maybe it would be good to get people back intouch with reality. Amiga going out of business might just could do that.

Seems to me that to be working at amiga it'd probably be safer to do it as a part time job while holding a full time job that pays regularly.

I don't know about any of that.

But what I do know is the pity vote you present is a con that needs to be slapped straight. I'm plenty sure there have been larger layoffs and sudden unemployment by many many more than Amiga employes. And if people can go months without pay while working there..... Maybe Amiga is paying to much?
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 32 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 18-Jun-2003 04:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (cheesegrate):
"if you mean funded the development then you are wrong, ainc-clowns never gave a cent to hp or hyperion"

You sound awful sure about that ... and you're wrong.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 33 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 18-Jun-2003 04:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MIKE):
Don't operate on the pretense that you know my position or situation with Amiga Inc as you're VERY wrong.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 34 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 18-Jun-2003 04:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (3seas):
Sorry Tim, wrong number.

Like a few of the guys working for/with Amiga, I also have software development and web design contracts with other companies that I won't be naming. I don't need a handful of wankers with vendettas calling them up because of their fanaticism.

P.S. I'll take my reality over your version of same any day, thanks.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 35 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Blah on 18-Jun-2003 09:35 GMT
Think its funny, original AOS continuation has become stronger and more important than DE Inc. ever was interested in.
Besides: Would they have to change their name, if BB gets hands on their trademark?
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 36 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Olegil):
In 2001 it was in the Petunia state. Working externally (not integrated in MOS, it was integrated a month or so later) with a few baggage that were brought in
due to that, a bit buggy and not too optimized. It got A HELL of new optimizations
since then. The point is not just to make it work, the point is to make it work
FAAAST.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 37 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2003 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Kjetil):
OS3.5 was done during the Gateway era. Read its copyright notice.
Amiga Development LLC (=Gateway Amiga Inc.).
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 38 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jun-2003 23:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
And, IIRC, the 3.9 project was also started by GateMiga, done by H&P, and just happened to be finished after the current (or past?) trademark owners/licensees took over.

The current AInc has had sweet FA to do with anything Amiga. Well, OK then, in just about every NEGATIVE and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE way you could think of they unfortunately have had quite some things to do with AmigaOS.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 39 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 19-Jun-2003 04:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
[YAWN] ...more erroneous nonsense spewed by an outsider who doesn't know Amiga's actual involvement in AmigaOS 4.

Move along, no news here.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 40 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by José on 19-Jun-2003 18:24 GMT
AInc never told public that there were APIs made by them that were being used by developers did they? (Really making the question here). So if they didn't it's only normal that people think they have done nothing. Add to that the fact that they announced the only thing the Amiga community still cared about (AmigaOS) dead, soon after they took control, and you can only understand people's bitching. Hell I even fear they take control of AmigaOS and make it some kind of layer just to use DE games/applications. Hopefully that won't happen and my A1 and OS4 will last long in my hands. But do they really care about it per se, or only by interest ?
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 41 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by rich Woods on 24-Jun-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (takemehomegrandma):
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Trusted user) on 16-Jun-2003 23:05:36

@ Mikey C

"AMIGA INC IS NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT AN AUCTION OF AMIGA AS A CORPORATE ENTITY. This sale is being conducted for property management of office assets only.
We apologize if their has been any confusion on this matter. "

Do you *really* think that *anyone* ever thought that the auction firm was auctioning the Amiga Inc company itself? I think it was clear for everyone that it's a forced auction of Amiga Incs material property, and NOT the company! And do you *really* think that this auction firm knows/cares about Amiga Inc's financial status, other than the fact that they are hired by the landlord to sell out Amiga Inc's material property?

Where is the "Shocker" in this???
--------------------------
Actually I had EXTENSIVE conversations with officials of the auction company and Tom thier landlord.

Regarding dot coms and liquidations and failures the auction company was quite knowledgable on the fate of many of the Seattle area's dot coms.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 42 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 24-Jun-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bert Dorhout):
Posted by Bert Dorhout (62.108.28.84) on 17-Jun-2003 00:42:41

Nice equipment, though..

Bert
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I am going to clarify some items that wee in the auction list.

the 30 or so Gateway systems with the 21 inch monitors WERE NOT Amiga's - they were from Network Solutions. The auction company had some other computer items at the sale.

I did purchase quite an extensive amount of "equipment" - 4 pallets worth and 51 boxes full. Including desktop Gateway systems used in Amiga's offices, several of their servers, scanners etc. MUCH miscellaneous stuff

Quite a bit of amiga equipment have stickers on them with a serial number and "DO NOT REMOVE". I'll be posting pictures later on this week.

I had the dubious honor of being the LAST (notwithstanding the clean up crew and their landlord) person to turn out the lights in Amiga's offices. (Upon my leaving this past Fri after taking 3 1/2 days packing everything up and getting it into a commercial truck.)
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 43 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 24-Jun-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Daniel Miller):
Posted by Daniel Miller (65.129.21.186) on 17-Jun-2003 00:58:11

If you click on the "show more pictures" link in the
lower left you get to see the foosball table!

I am sorry, but I think this is Amiga Inc.'s just
desserts for all their swindles and deceptions and
nonsense and baseless accusations against MorphOS.
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The foosball table was purchased for $150 by some college students who rented a house. (2 or 3 guys and one girl).

I was there when they dismanteled it.

I'd purchased 5 laptops - several in excellent condition - several with poor to bad plasma screens (but still operable with the employees (unamed) logon working - (WIndows XP Professional).

I did get a nice Samsung 15" flat screen monitor (there were approx 6-8 boxes that had 17" flat screens (none were available at the auction however).

I can unequivocably state that Amiga DID have Amiga software and Amiga computers in their offices.

Software - IBrowse - Art Effect, Cross DOS and some others I can't recall.

I did get Dragon Naturally Speaking software - still in the box with complete docs etc and a Comp USA sticker ($179.99) still on the box.)

The Amiga computers?

a A1000 with 256K ram pack installed - and 3 A1200's Magic Paks- 2 were out of the boxes of a total of 3 (one still in mint condition in the box). The other 2 were apart and in various pieces. Much was purchased directly from the landlord and were items NOT included in the auction.

quite a bit of revealing stuff - and contents of one filing cabinet of internal company documents, e-mails (fleecy etc).

Copy of the Ruksun contract (Indian company) to do the coding for Amiga DE.
Plus quite a bit more.
Amiga Not going out of Business Shocker! : Comment 44 of 44ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 24-Jun-2003 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (dammy):
Posted by dammy (Trusted user) on 17-Jun-2003 06:08:44

In Reply to Comment 16:
> Whats the matter Joanna, upset that AInc is not bankrupt after all?

Give Amiga Inc some more time to accomplish that feat, I have alot of confidence in those boys! ;^)

Dammy
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As posted somewhere McEwens house at

24403 256th Ave SE (Maply Valley WA 98038) with a mailing address of Ravensdale
is in foreclosure. With no mortgage paymentsbeing made for approx 10 months.

Lot size on the relatively modest house (1720 sq. ft) with a lot size of 220,849 sq ft.

The house was off of several graveled dirt roads well hidden (extremely well hidden) - I doubt even with the address anyone could find it.

I'll be posting pictures of the house later this week.

Pictures were taken Sat late afternoon.
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