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[Files] MorphOS SDK 1.0 pre-release 1 releasedANN.lu
Posted on 20-Jun-2003 12:08 GMT by Felix Schwarz25 comments
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A first release of the official MorphOS SDK is immediately available to members of the MorphOS Developer Connection in the files section. It is labeled "pre-release", because many, but not all, OS-parts are covered yet. This release of the MorphOS SDK contains:

- MorphED 1.0
- a complete PPC-native GCC/GG-compiler-environment
- a complete set of MorphOS includes
- documentation, example code and articles on many new features of MorphOS
- the latest release of Barfly PPC ASM (as contribution)
- the latest OpenPCI SDK (as contribution)

Enjoy!

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Posted by bbrv on 20-Jun-2003 10:39 GMT
Great work Felix!

:-D

R&B
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Posted by tokai on 20-Jun-2003 11:05 GMT
Thanks Felix and all the other involved persons!!! :)


The free times are no over... and many sleepless nights are in the queue. Argh! :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 11:22 GMT
Cool. Why has Amiga Inc, in 10+ years, never managed to release a free SDK with compiler and everyting?!
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 20-Jun-2003 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
darn, so close to a clean thread, i mean, it made it all they way to 3rd post, before someone had to drag the mud in. *sigh*
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Posted by Kronos on 20-Jun-2003 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
The last DEV-CD did include StormC3, just not licenced for use
on commercial projects.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Kronos):
> The last DEV-CD did include StormC3, just not licenced for use
on commercial projects

Yes, but it wasn't free, was it ? I was speaking about a free and downloadable SDK. I didn't buy that CD. Not for commercial projects ? Smart move.
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Posted by greenboy on 20-Jun-2003 11:38 GMT
Congratulations, Felix! You rule!


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
 
 
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (greenboy):
> Phoenix Developer Consortium

What is the relationsship between Phoenix und mdc, will you guys integrate your services or remain separate places? I only know about Phonix via the cheap mainboards - are you the hardware devision ? :-)
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Posted by Xtacy on 20-Jun-2003 12:04 GMT
Great job Felix !

I wait this for a long time and now here it is !
Thank you.

Xtacy. Make the Pegasos yours.
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Posted by greenboy on 20-Jun-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>What is the relationsship between Phoenix und mdc, will you guys integrate your services or remain separate places? I only know about Phonix via the cheap mainboards - are you the hardware devision ? :-)

We will remain separate sites which act as partners. Felix's site handles MorphOS-specific development and coding-related issues, while Phoenix will handle all Pegasos-related development on multiple OSes, and operate under Phoenix's expanded definition of DEVELOPER, which includes many categories besides coders of those who contribute to the advancement of the platform.

So Phoenix is involved with MorphOS too of course, but the focus is on different services which compliment those of Felix's excellent site. Some examples are the Initiatives that Phoenix is involved in including the current developer seeding with free (used, pre-April) Pegasos Betatester boards, the PhDemoScene group, The Superbundle group, the US Tradeshows group, etc.
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Posted by Olegil on 20-Jun-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
You make it sound like producing a free SDK is something they've actually FAILED at, but the truth is that NOT all SDKs in the world are free, nor will they ever be. Didn't think it was a measurement of success...

However, kudos to Felix for this one.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Olegil):
> You make it sound like [Amiga Inc] a free SDK is something they've actually FAILED at

I think they did, and the mistake later was corrected by releasing the OS3.9 NDK freely (but it could be argued that it was far too late to make a difference). Selling critical rights to a book publisher was a terrible mistake, too, for IMHO it would have made a difference if all that had been made available online and freely in 198x. Persoanlly, I would have started with C much earlier. Remember the price of SAS/C ? I still shudder when remembering the costs of Amiga development in that time (excellent compiler, though).

It will be interesting to see what Hyperion does in response to Genesi's move: no free developer material at all, like early Commodore, at least free autodocs + headers (like late Amiga), or a full-blown SDK and developer site, like Gensi did for MorphOS.
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Posted by bbrv on 20-Jun-2003 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Olegil):
We have to have a big word of thanks to Dietmar Eilert too.

Thanks Dietmar! :-D

Check it out MorphED here: http://morphed.dietmar-eilert.de/

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
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Posted by Keith on 20-Jun-2003 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Olegil):
When did Microsoft or Apply ever release a free SDK? You count BASIC or something? Check the cost of commercial compilers for MS or Apple. Not the user intro packages, but the ones that allow you to develop and distribute.

Then look at the free and shareware compilers that have been available in the past.

And how much real documentation is found for MS and Apple?

Commodore and even Amiga, Inc. look pretty reasonable overall, I'd say.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Keith):
> When did Microsoft or Apply ever release a free SDK?

I don't know about Apple but Microsoft releases free SDKs all the time (.net toolkit, c# compiler, visual basic for applications, etc.), open your eyes. That does not mean that everything is free, their top tools and programs are in fact very expensive. But they have a good mix, you can get started for next to nothing. I can't count how many copies of VisualC and Microsoft's developer material I have picked up by now just by buying books :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 20:20 GMT
I think you cannot compare VisualC IDE with GCC + MorphED...

Leo.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2003 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Keith):
" When did Microsoft or Apply ever release a free SDK"

Well, given that Apple provide a complete free SDK for MacOS X, complete with a full free C / C++ compiler and everything to anyone who wants it, I'd say you need to rethink your question...
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Posted by Janne on 21-Jun-2003 02:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Keith):
For example, Microsoft .Net SDK is free. Sure, you can pay for a higher-end IDE like Visual Studio, but just like Java, you can esaily get started (and more) on Microsoft .Net for free.

Symbian development kits for Nokia phones are free as well, they even send you the cd-rom for free. And the Apple example was already given here.

Sure, there are plenty of examples of expensive SDKs to go around too, but I think Genesi have got it right here... they need to encourage development.

If companies like Apple, Sun, Nokia and Microsoft think they need to give SDKs out for free to get their new platforms going, I think companies like Genesi would be crazy not to!
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Jun-2003 07:58 GMT
I think a free developer kit that is easy to download, install and
start using is very important. It's important to attract existing
developers who don't want to spend a lot of time just to get started.
But it's perhaps even more important for people who are just regular
users, but who might become developers if it's easy enough to just
start playing without having to cross too many barriers before
something actually happens.
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Posted by Kronos on 21-Jun-2003 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Keith):
@Keith
Neither Windows nor MacOS have to rely on bedroom-coders, and neither has
user-numbers below 10k ......

Both Genesi and Hyperion just can't afford to put ANY restrictions on their
(basic) SDKs.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jun-2003 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kronos):
> Both Genesi and Hyperion just can't afford to put ANY restrictions on their
(basic) SDKs.

I think the question was IF Hyperion will create a SDK, not if they would put restrictions on it. And the MorphOS, while a good start, is only just a start, much more needs to be done. For example, we need a source level debugger for gcc and a user interface designer integrated into the sdk. A project manager would be nice as well. It would also be good to have wizards that create application skeletons (with arexx port) or skeleton libraries. Long way to go.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jun-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
at least the library skelwtons are there .. have a look at the examples drawer. also, it is marked as pre-release, so ..
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jun-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> at least the library skeletons are there .. have a look at the examples drawer. also, it is marked as pre-release, so ..

Yes, but that's not exactly what I meant. "Wizards" would be small applets that query information (application name, type, compatibility/target, etc.) and then generate a project that can be compiled right away, auto-insert information such as library name and version into the source codes, create a project folder, a makefile, empty history file, etc.
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Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Jun-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Everything is here, except you must write library name yourself :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jun-2003 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Nicolas Sallin):
> Everything is here, except you must write library name yourself :)

Am I that bad at expressing myself? I don't just want another template (like clib on Aminet), I want an *interactive* wizard, which creates a folder and prepares everything by modyfing the source code. The name of the executable/library (inserted into makefile and headers) would be only one of many options. Other options could be: Initial version? What libraries do you want to have opened in init code? Shared library base? Do you want code to have per-task local data? Size of library base? Do you want global data with semaphore protetion? Do you want CVS to be set up? And so on.
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