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Posted on 22-Jun-2003 22:15 GMT by Mike Bouma72 comments
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For the 21st of June there was an ' AmigaOS4 on Tour' event planned for Basel. I travelled from Holland to Switzerland to write a report for AmigaWorld.net regarding this event.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 1 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 22-Jun-2003 20:22 GMT
.."Reported was that the porting of the SNAP display driver solution to the AmigaOne hardware was recently completed"

cool, seems you can just buy whatever gfx card you want now :)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 2 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 22-Jun-2003 20:43 GMT
Not good that Petunia is so far behind, though.
But at least there's something :-)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 3 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 22-Jun-2003 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Olegil):
Well.. It's progress.. as promiced.. But IMHO they should have been a lot more carefull on year ago on their annocements.. A lot people belived it'll be out at X-mas 2002.

I'm interesting to see what they'll have on this X-mas.. I'm having allmost 1000 Euros Tax-return coming at middle of December. :)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 4 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 22-Jun-2003 21:25 GMT
[quote]
"He demonstrated that when an application suffered a software fault this would not per se crash the whole system and instead several options were presented, like being able to kill the application or start a debugger."
[/quote]

I hope that doesnt start a whole "my sandbox/pit is better than yours" debate - but it does show that some people have created alot of fuss for nothing...

:)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 5 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Jun-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ben):
> I hope that doesnt start a whole "my sandbox/pit is better than yours" debate -
> but it does show that some people have created alot of fuss for nothing...

The text you quoted doesn't prove anything either way: with AmigaOS3.x is perfectly possible that a crash of an application doesn't lead to a system crash, and the fact that a debugger can be started is just a nice add-on. The fact that the application can be closed, instead, is a sign of some sort of resurce tracking... however I'm interested to know which resources are actually tracked, as not all the possible resources can be safely deallocated without risking to damage the rest of the system.

Of course, all the above stands correct only in case the showed application doesn't use any kind of new API, in which case, well, there're really nothing to wow at.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 6 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Jun-2003 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Of course, all the above stands correct only in case the showed application
> doesn't use any kind of new API, in which case, well, there're really nothing to
> wow at.

Sorry, that was worded quite badly. I meant that in case the app DOES use some kind of new API, then there's nothing to wow at.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 7 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Jun-2003 23:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (catohagen):
SNAP is quite advanced but not completed yet.

Petunia is not that far behind at all but since we won't be using the JIT to run the actual OS modules that are still 68K (but rather an interpretive emulator), we decided to do testing first with that.

It reaches speeds between 68040/25 and 68040/40 on a Cyberstorm PPC @ 200 mhz depending on the type of code.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 8 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by CnlPepper on 22-Jun-2003 23:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"we won't be using the JIT to run the actual OS modules that are still 68K (but rather an interpretive emulator), we decided to do testing first with that."

That seems a little odd Ben, with the significant speed benefit of using JIT why are the OS modules only going to be run interpreted only? Are there other issues with these modules that a JIT compiler would cause problems with?

CnlPepper - Interested.....
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 9 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2003 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (catohagen):
Sure - for Linux. ;)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 10 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2003 01:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
SNAP's actually worse than the existing XFree drivers for Linux anyway. It doesn't support GLX (hardware 3D), or Xinerama (proper multi-head), or color pointers, or various modern acceleration features. It's basically like using a 2D-only driver written in 2001. On some hardware SNAP is faster, on some hardware and/or screenmodes it's slower.

Presumably the Linux version is just a testbed for the other platforms, where XFree isn't available, because as a product the SNAP XFree drivers seem expensive and not very useful.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 11 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2003 02:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Can you clarify what is meant by an "OS module" in this context Ben? ie Which software in OS4 will be run by an interpreted 68K emulator...

AREXX? IBrowse? Other applications? Warp3D? Other libraries? Hardware drivers?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 12 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 23-Jun-2003 04:15 GMT
Hope they release the stuff later as 68k exes (maybe another boingbag for 3.9 :-)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 13 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jun-2003 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (CnlPepper):
>That seems a little odd Ben, with the significant speed benefit of using JIT why are the >OS modules only going to be run interpreted only? Are there other issues with these >modules that a JIT compiler would cause problems with?

OS 4 uses a mixture of interpretive and JIT emulation.

The JIT is only used for non-system modules because an interpretive emulation tends to be more compatible.

Having said that, very little performance critical 68K code will be left in OS 4 anyway.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 14 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jun-2003 04:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Obviously all OS code for which we have a C version (which includes 95% of the Kickstart) will be present in PPC native format.

Warp3D being a prominent example.

Only a handful of modules are still 68K: Arexx, some 68K modules which are not performance critical like SCSI.device (where the controller is the limiting factor), parts of graphics.library dealing with AGA, some older P96 drivers etc.

These will be run with interpretive emulation.

68K applications OTOH will be run with JIT emulation at speeds beyond an 060/50 (see Petunia homepage for benchmarks).
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 15 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Only a handful of modules are still 68K: Arexx, some 68K modules which are not performance critical like SCSI.device (where the controller is the limiting factor), parts of graphics.library dealing with AGA, some older P96 drivers etc.

These will be run with interpretive emulation."

You should not be running ARexx with a slow emulation. One of the best features of Amithlon is that ARexx programs run at a decent speed instead of crawling along. AOS 4 should be aiming to be as fast as Amithlon, if possible.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 16 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jun-2003 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Don Cox):
AREXX is not particularly performance critical really.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 17 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 23-Jun-2003 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> SNAP is quite advanced but not completed yet.

Has it been reworked to support little endian 15/16 bit
gfx modes on big endian machines (~pc gfx card on amiga)
and viceversa. Some time ago I looked at their docs and
this did not seem to have been taken into consideration
at all in the API (the problem being that you cannot
describe a "memory pixel format" like GGGBBBBB0RRRRRGG
(RGB15_PC, ie. RGB15 little endian) with shifts/masks
alone.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 18 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 23-Jun-2003 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Are you shore you have this right Ben.

As I understand the issue using the none JIT version will prove if the 68k modules is working whit in the system so when you go JIT you can start debug forum the conclusion it’s working 68k modules, and that the issue solved with inn the JIT compiler if there is some sort of problem with the integration,

It better so start debugging things step by step, instead of starting debugging every ting at once hard to find what the problems inn that way.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 19 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 23-Jun-2003 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (JoannaK):
You get tax returns in December? The same year you paid them, or the year after? We get them in June/July the next year, which is a BIT long to wait, in my opinion (ain't nothing humble about that, I tell you :-) )
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 20 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"AREXX is not particularly performance critical really."

It's big problem is that it is slow. It needs all the speed it can get. I would say it is highly "performance critical" if by that you mean it needs to run as fast as possible. Then it could even be used as a programming language.

There is all the difference in practice between taking several hours to output a batch of bar code labels via Pro Draw and taking 20 minutes.

I also don't understand why you say that a JIT emulator is less compatible. Everything on the Amiga runs correctly under Bernie's JIT emulator on Amithlon. Do you mean that Petunia has bugs compared to Amithlon?

If Bernie happens to read this thread, a comment would be interesting.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 21 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jun-2003 07:18 GMT
"first AmigaOS4/AmigaOne demonstrations are expected for October, with the consumer release before the end of the year."

oh well... try to get on with it guys ... it would be handy for me to buy the A1&AOS4 combo from my house building funds 8) ... but at this rate I get the house built (&mortage fixed/frozen) before AOS4 ships for A1 ... :(
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 22 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 23-Jun-2003 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
....It reaches speeds between 68040/25 and 68040/40 on a Cyberstorm PPC @ 200 mhz depending on the type of code.
....

Not a flame at all but... i thought for more speed!
On the Petunia home page there was something like about a 060 with 603...
I hope that benchmark is for interpretive mode (the optimized version).

Richi
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 23 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 23-Jun-2003 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Richi):
It's hard isn't it, reading the English language!
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 24 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2003 08:24 GMT
"AmigaOS4/AmigaOne demonstrations are expected for October, with the consumer release before the end of the year."

What!? And people chastized Ben Yoris earlier this year for his estimation that OS4 would be delayed 'til late this year...

Oh well.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 25 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 23-Jun-2003 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
You know there is better ways to dump bar-codes, way not use TrueType barcode fonts, now that AmigaOS support true type fonts. Any way most users will not use ARexx to print 50 barcode labels.

The common use for ARexx is as glue between programs, as scripting language it’s okey, as programming language handles strings and numbers in extremely slow and bad syntax style, C++, E, Amos, BlitzBaic, Java, Pascal, Python all of this programming languages are better as a programming language then ARexx,

ARexx is not optimized to be fast form the day it where born, you are miss using ARexx.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 26 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Kjetil):
"In Reply to Comment 20:
You know there is better ways to dump bar-codes, way not use TrueType barcode fonts, now that AmigaOS support true type fonts."

Only one of the many formats of bar code can be generated from a font. The rest (including the one used for products) have to be calculated on the fly.



"Any way most users will not use ARexx to print 50 barcode labels."

There is nothing that "most users" are doing on their Amiga setups. Everyone is an individual with particular requirements. Some of us find ARexx to be a very convenient programming language, particularly because of its tracing features, which make debugging so easy.

If you have found a method that works well, it is not helpful to be told "You should be using Some other language, you should be using Linux/Windows/bla bla".

My point is that ARexx should be using the fastest possible emulator, because its only fault is that it is slow. Ben seemed to be under the impression that it is used only for simple scripts.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 27 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 23-Jun-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Remco Komduur):
what?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 28 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 08:59 GMT
It was good to see Ben state on another thread that a developer CD for AOS 4 is a high priority.

Really, the big problem for AmigaOS in competing with other platforms is the shortage of application software, so anything that makes programming easier is very important. The Amiga _must_ be easy to program if it is to get anywhere.

A graphical GUI designer for Reaction would be very desirable. Better still would be one that works for both Reaction and MUI.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 29 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 23-Jun-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Don Cox):
/*Only one of the many formats of bar code can be generated from a font. The rest (including the one used for products) have to be calculated on the fly.*/

Just checked AltaVista for barcode font I found 11 different fonts.
I don’t know what type of barcode you are using, I expect you to find one that works, most hand scanners and supports more then one type of barcode, check your user manual for hand supported barcodes,

http://www.barcodingfonts.com/?key=Obarcodefont

Any way you can find printers for label printing at www.zebra.com, no drivers are need to gets this printers working they have there own scripting language they use. (ZPL and EPL),

There is all sow an printer called Markpoint and it an excellent printer, and you have printers form Epson as well.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 30 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 23-Jun-2003 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> What!? And people chastized Ben Yoris earlier this year for his estimation that OS4 would be delayed 'til late this year...Truth hurts.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 31 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 23-Jun-2003 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Nicolas Sallin):
Eh, same IP for two different people.
Free anonymizers are a bit lame.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 32 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 23-Jun-2003 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
No comment.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 33 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 23-Jun-2003 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Yoris):
If you're not sure about when an Amiga product is *really* going to be released, you should use the Amiga Product Release Date Calculator: http://www.petergordon.org.uk/amigacalc.php
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 34 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 23-Jun-2003 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Fabio Alemagna):
I think we are both on the same track here - I mean, Windows 2000 is really stable and a vast improvement over anything before it (from MS) - but you can still get a Blue Screen Of Death without even trying and the 4th Service Pack is imminent... We wont even mention boot times!
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 35 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by CY on 23-Jun-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Peter Gordon):
Q4 2007 for the AmigaOne release of OS4, then :-)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 36 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 23-Jun-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
Hi Don,I'll just relate the reaction of my girlfriend when, something like a year and a half ago, I told her OS4 was going to use a JIT emulator written in PPC assembler. My memory is somewhat rusty, but it was along the lines of "Are they nuts?".She is into software engineering --- i.e. she understands why "high level languages" were created (a tradeoff of pure performance against ease of code creation and, yes, debugging).
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 37 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 23-Jun-2003 11:46 GMT
@Bernie, marry that girl, she's a keeper

Wow, great news about OS 4, sounds like its coming along. Of course, I see that it isn't finished writing yet, and therefore I don't see an extensive beta testing period.

All in all, I never expected there would be, and I'm glad, will be good to get the product out the door. But I have to mention to all those people who were describing delays as an 'extensive beta testing period' that you were wrong,
and it was frustrating dealing with all the liars even if their intentions were well meaning.

Now, soon OS 4 will be out, and we all will be happy, since thats what we all wanted, even those who didn't make up ridiculous excuses.....

see ya's.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 38 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 23-Jun-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (MarkTime):
@MarkTime

Errr right. Well I don't recall anyone claiming that it was "just" an extended betatesting period.

But whatever gives you an excuse to be rude I'm sure you'll take.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 39 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 23-Jun-2003 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Bernie Meyer):
@Bernie

Does your girlfriend have much experience of assembler, though? I've noticed that people who only do high level languages generally say "Are you nuts?" to anyone who does anything in assembler, regardless of the reasons behind it ;)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 40 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Kjetil):
"Just checked AltaVista for barcode font I found 11 different fonts."

A bar code is not a font. There is one, and only one, code which has a direct mapping of numbers to bars. That is the one which is available as fonts.

All the others, including the one used on products, have to be calculated.

Do some more research.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 41 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Bernie Meyer):
"I'll just relate the reaction of my girlfriend when, something like a year and a half ago, I told her OS4 was going to use a JIT emulator written in PPC assembler. My memory is somewhat rusty, but it was along the lines of "Are they nuts?".
She is into software engineering --- i.e. she understands why "high level languages" were created (a tradeoff of pure performance against ease of code creation and, yes, debugging)."

She's right. That's why I like using ARexx. No pointers, can't crash the computer, no types (everything is a string).

I did so much assembly language programming in the 1980s that I never want to see it again. Can't go too high level for me. I will not use C for writing programs, for instance - it is much too low level and generates buggy software.
IMO C is suitable only for low level OS functions such as drivers.

Mind you, the assembler seemed really convenient after starting by entering machine code in Hex.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 42 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jun-2003 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (MarkTime):
"All in all, I never expected there would be, and I'm glad, will be good to get the product out the door. But I have to mention to all those people who were describing delays as an 'extensive beta testing period' that you were wrong,
and it was frustrating dealing with all the liars even if their intentions were well meaning."

I think the modules have been under "extensive" beta testing in their 68k versions. Bear in mind most of them work in OS 3.9.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 43 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 23-Jun-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Peter Gordon):
Her experience is somewhat limited (to the MIPS assembler Monash teaches in first semester). So you got a point.However, my experience is extensive, over a wide variety of CPUs and projects, and I have to agree with her wholeheartedly... Most parts of a JIT compiler are not nearly performance critical enough to warrant going to assembler. And I have (mostly :) debugged two of the damn things, so I know what I am talking about....It is often said that "68k assembler is as easy as BASIC". That's probably true --- as long as you are talking small snippets of code, not large, complex projects. And, of course, BASIC is a crap language for large projects (like a JIT compiler), anyway...
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 44 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 23-Jun-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Ben):
"I think we are both on the same track here - I mean, Windows 2000 is really stable"

In relation to 95/98, yes.

"and a vast improvement over anything before it (from MS) -"

If you call NT4 with idiot friendly wizards an improvement ;)

"but you can still get a Blue Screen Of Death without even trying and the 4th Service Pack is imminent..."

A windows 95/98 BSOD are very different things, for example

Windows 98:
"um, i've crashed cause i dislike your desktop backdrop, its gonna be a reboot for sure mate"

Windows 2000:
"Oh god, the shit has really hit the fan, /me points at arbitrary.dll"

Neither is is really much of a help, although they happen less with NT and it has a syslog so you can find out what went wrong.

"We wont even mention boot times!"

Lilo to GDM in just over 15 seconds here :)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 45 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 23-Jun-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bernie Meyer):
Oh, believe me, I'm well aware of your JIT programming credentials. You're way more qualified to comment than I am; I've only written interpretive emulation cores (and even then only in 68k assembly), but I do admit that even they got pretty hairy to debug (although I quite enjoy the challenge of doing big complex things in assembly. Maybe i'm a masochist ;)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 46 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jun-2003 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Nicolas Sallin):
Yeah.

Sure does.

I remember all the stuff going on about Trance, the JIT for MorphOS.

How many months ago was that? 18?

Only now it is apparently integrated into MorphOS.

Seems we were not the only ones with overoptimistic developers.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 47 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 23-Jun-2003 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Only now it is apparently integrated into MorphOS.

Strange that BT1 users use it since last year then and that it was already
presented at the Amiga Show in Germany in November 2001...
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 48 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 23-Jun-2003 15:10 GMT
Hi Mike

Great report about the OS4 event.

Any idea of how many people visited the show?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 49 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Jun-2003 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben,
You are bullshiting completely.
Trance has been integrated into MorphOS a LONG time ago.
It has been publicaly demonstrated last year. It has been seeded to Beta1 last year.

Yes, it is not in the public MorphOS version yet. But saying it is not integrated in MorphOS is like saying that OS4 does not exist because it is not yet available.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 50 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Jun-2003 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> Only now it is apparently integrated into MorphOS.

Ben, just a friendly advice: please, stop talking nonsense.
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