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Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 1 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2003 08:35 GMT
Too bad it's a bit late now. If this would have been out say ~5 years ago, it would have been totally different business.

Amiga hw is aging fast and dying. All the classic amiga hw is running way past the intended life span already.

Now I don't see much point in this, other than for the learning experience and for some hack value.

Very cool project, however.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 2 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 08:40 GMT
Id buy an old A4000 and put one of these in it purely for amusement value.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 3 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 27-Jun-2003 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveP):
I'd buy this and an old A4000 to put it in instead of buying an AmigaOne! ;)

This was created by a true Amiga guy, the AmigaOne was designed by people who probably don't even know what a real amiga is, like the A1200! :P
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 4 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jun-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Well, i'm hoping to get one for my A1500. Then i'll have AmigaONE with a G4, Amiga 4000 with an 060, and an A1500 with a coldfire. 1 running OS4, 1 running OS3.9, all networked. Aahhh... I can't wait... but I have to... damn it ;)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 5 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jun-2003 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
I really hope the production boards are blue, as well, because that PCB looks great ;)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 6 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jun-2003 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
Oops... i mean 2 running OS3.9.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 7 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darth_X):
@Darth_x

So youd buy one instead of an A1, fine and dandy, thats your personal preference but why do you have to add that irreleventia flame bait at the end?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 8 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
Because it's the truth?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 9 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Is it? How do you know? How do you know that MAI engineers didn't cut their teeth playing on A1000s?

How is it different from the Pegasos? Oh wow the people that designed the Pegasos actually used Amigas - big freakin wow. How much of the Amiga hardware design ideals have made it in to the Pegasos? How much in the Pegasos but not the A1 of same Amiga hardware design ideals?

Zippo.

So that "big difference" of being designed by people you know used Amigas ( and shock even designed/developed add on accelerator cards for them ) makes absolutely no difference to the end product yes?

This is why its irreleventia, this is why its flamebait and this is why even if it were true, it makes no difference.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 10 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 27-Jun-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
DaveP:

I'm sorry if I offended, but this is just how I feel.
So you can prove that MAI's designers have used Amiga's before?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 11 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 27-Jun-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP):
So right! Open their eyes man!
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 12 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 09:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Darth_X):
You didn't offend me, I just don't like seeing BS like this used as a put down to prospective A1 owners.

I just don't think its relevant and certainly is relevant to a purchasing decision.

If you want to stick to the older "custom chip" based Amiga architecture then hey no problem, just don't go telling me that the A1 is somehow less of an Amiga because of how you feel about Mai and Eyetech and Mais "Amiga credentials".

In both the AOS and the MOS cases the "Amiga spirit" has become purely about the OS and not the hardware. Given I hear you praising MOS and Pegasos a fair amount you must have swallowed those reservations about the Pegasos hardware not having anything "Amiga" alike about it.

I mean if thats the only difference you can come out with then its as spurious as claiming that the Atari Lynx is somehow more Amiga for obvious ( but according to you oh so very pertinent ) reasons ( if you research it ).

Next we will hear again the other old hoary one about Eyetech getting the *production* done at a Far Eastern Manufacturer (TM).

Oh no!
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 13 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 27-Jun-2003 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darth_X):
Yeah Darth I agree.

Pegasos was designed from the ground up specifically for this purpose, by professional Amiga hardware experts who, by the end of Phase 5's time, probably knew more about the Amiga than most of C='s own engineers did.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 14 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Lando):
"Pegasos was designed from the ground up specifically for this purpose, by professional Amiga hardware experts who, by the end of Phase 5's time, probably knew more about the Amiga than most of C='s own engineers did"

Ground up using other peoples parts.

Mind you then you should throw a few compliments at Mai because without this uber-secret Amigan-Monk knowledge they managed to produce practically the same thing in the Teron series.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 15 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 27-Jun-2003 10:32 GMT
ARGH ! I can't read the page : Impossible to display the page !
Fuckin' IE !!
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 16 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Yoris):
I get the page OK with IE5, its pretty interesting stuff too.

I am however having trouble with motorolas site to find out how fast these processors go in MHz.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 17 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 27-Jun-2003 11:07 GMT
A coldfire would be quite interesting for upgrading
VideoToaster/Flyer systems and would give LightWave,
ImageFX and others a nice boost.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 18 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2003 11:36 GMT
a excellent accelerator, of course =) oli if you can, have your prototype with ompatibility mediator busboard, is very interesting the coldfire + mediator working on A1200/A3000/A4000. Very well work... i think... if amiga have this coldfire, the aone and shakppc, buff the best systems never made =)

amiga RoolZ!
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 19 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 27-Jun-2003 12:05 GMT
Interesting concept.

For posters: if you go to the trouble and effort of placing a news item on the site why not at least provide a blurb to explain what it is you're reporting on?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 20 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by neongod on 27-Jun-2003 12:10 GMT
I think Pegasos was designed from the ground by people who khow the Amiga spirit! They used third party parts, but hell, Commodore used parts from other stuff too. Look at the A1200. There are Atari's joyport (like in all C= machnine), standard IDE interface, hp chips on board, etc. Who cares?

AmigaOne is a renamed Teron mainboard. Designed by outsiders. But its supported by Amiga Inc, and OS4, so it's the official way.

But what if somebody don't want to follow that "new" way? That have only one choose, keep their Classic Amiga. So I think the ColdFusion is the BEST project for Classic Amiga since the Phase5 cards. It can keep the old miggy alive for some more years.
And even, it can run OS4 with good speed! So OS4 can released to 68k too, because the speed is no more problem on 68k. (Coldfusion runs many times faster than a 060/66, to it can beat a Blizzard ppc maybe...)

its only my opinion.. of course.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 21 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 27-Jun-2003 12:18 GMT
One more reason for a 68K OS4, or an update for 3.9 (3.91 maybe?)

68K is not dead... Or not that dead as many would like to see it :)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 22 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 27-Jun-2003 12:22 GMT
TeronCX/PX is nothing more than a hacked cheapo x86 board with a PPC chip by the MAI ameuters then sent on to Alan the shopkeeper to sell at ludicrous prices.

The Teron boards are a pile of crap and that is a well known fact, no wonder they (MAI) are happy to get rid of their boards to a blind shopkeeper who will whack a AmigaONE badge on it and hike the price to the Amiga (fools) users.

Thanks but no thanks.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 23 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jun-2003 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Tony):
Why don't you keep to the topic, which is the ColdFusion accelerator.

There really is no need to mention either the AmigaONE, or the Pegasos in this thread.

And there really is no need for this sort of insulting flamebait in any thread, imho.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 24 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 27-Jun-2003 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Emeric SH):
I think the only bad thing about this Coldfire board is that maybe some who were planning on upgrading to A1 or Pegasos will instead find that this Coldfire gives their classic machines a new lease of life.

So, they delay buying a new computer. Then we have fewer sales of next-gen machines, leading to lower software sales, and less development and in the end nobody wins.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 25 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by neongod on 27-Jun-2003 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Lando):
You are right. But here (at amiga market) nobody can win at the moment...
Why do we need 2 or 3 amiga ways, solutions. The Amiga Community is diversificated in the last years, since Commodore died. So nobody wins.

It started with 68k-ppc cards, than warpup-powerup, after that x86 joined the game with amithlon, umilator, uae and aros. Also pci solutions arrived, with more "pc-like" amigas.. Now we have all mentioned, plus add pegasos, amigaone.
Why not have ColdFusion? Its the most "amiga like" project since many years.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 26 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by _ on 27-Jun-2003 13:16 GMT
Now, does it emulate some instructions, only - or does it emulate a whole 68k CPU? And why should it do the latter, if the former fully suffices? (For old games we can run UAE, if the thing is fast enough...)

From the site:

Q:My understanding is that coldfire CPUs won't run 680x0 code, but that a SOURCE CODE translator is available to help convert code.
A: Wrong, The Coldfire CPU can run 68K code, but is missing a few instructions (only three or four) which will be emulated by software (Already developed).
There is a sourcecode translator to turn 68K code into Coldfire optimised code, making porting software very simple.

Q: Are you going to provide a 68K emulator?
A: Yes, for sure, it will be build into an onboard flash chip and loaded before the kickstart, you wont even notice its there.

Q: Which 680x0 will it emulate? A: It can emulate any 68K CPU (including ones never used on the Amiga), as for the CPU emulated, Well if it can be made software switchable it will be, (But at the moment it looks like it would make a very large file) If not then probably a 68020 although as the chip will be software flashable it could be flashed to emulate any CPU without any problem what so ever.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 27 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by CnlPepper on 27-Jun-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP):
Too damn right DaveP, too many popkle on these boards lack any ability to distiguish fact and opinion.

CnlPepper - In full agreement....
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 28 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Chain|Q on 27-Jun-2003 13:20 GMT
Wowie! This blue baby really looks great. I just can't wait for the A2000 version, to replace my great-but-old B2060, and together with my PIV blast away all lame peeCeeish so-called-Amiga-clone machines around! ;) Anyway, to be honest, my Pegasos is also on it's way, just for sure, hehe... :)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 29 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 27-Jun-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Tony):
Fricking off-topic flamebait... take it somewhere else. At least the AmigaOne works correctly with all processors and all specified speeds...

I don't get the "Pegasos has issues, therefore the AmigaOne is crap" logic...
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 30 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Charlie on 27-Jun-2003 13:37 GMT
I'd by this before I'd buy an AmigaOne or Pegasos for one reason only:
The reason I still love my Amiga 4000 and Amiga 2000 machines is because I can
use my original machines with slight hardware upgrades. I find it FACINATING that the basic computer functions I perform with my 2GHZ WinXP box can be done by machines I purchased over 11 years ago! I am a sentimental Commodore fool.
Using my Amigas TODAY reminds me of good times in my life, when computers were groundbreaking new and exciting (unlike today) and most importantly exemplified how electronics can be considered an artform... something created with passion.
True that Pegasos/MorphOS AmigaOne/OS4.0 capture the "spirit" of Amiga... but honestly... there is very little passion when compared to the original project :-(
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 31 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 27-Jun-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Graham):
I don't get the "AmigaOne has issues, therefore Pegasos is crap" mentality.

;-)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 32 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by CnlPepper on 27-Jun-2003 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (CnlPepper):
lol, popkle has to be the wost spelling mistake I'm made in a while!

popkle = people

how the hell did I type that and miss it?!

CnlPepper - Going a strange yellow colour...
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 33 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 27-Jun-2003 14:05 GMT
Hmm, looks cool! :-) Some questions:

How about compatibility with old software?
How about Price/Performance compared to the existing PPC solutions?
Will there be a JIT ?

This looks like a complete little computer by itself! Add some kind of display support and you have a stand-alone computer! Perhaps it would make it better on "the market" as a stand-alone computer than as a CPU upgrade for classic Amigas? To me it seems to be a little "stuck in the middle" like it is now.

A semi-serious question: Why don't you talk to Jeri and license her "Super VIC" (http://c64upgra.de/c-one/s_specs.htm), and you will have a completely new and upgraded "classic" Amiga, with copper, Blitter and all...?! Better video than AGA, no bottlenecks from the past (perhaps completely new ones instead ;-) ), and no problem with and *dying* old hardware. It would be just as interesting as the Commodore One as a hobby computer and would perhaps appeal better to old Amigans that are thinking about leaving the 68k classic realms for the PPC A1 (which is more of a "PC" than your computer with the "Super VIC" would be). Port AROS to it, and we have a winner!
;-)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 34 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 27-Jun-2003 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
That would be an interesting project. How feasible is it though hardware tech heads?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 35 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Jun-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
It does make sense as an upgrade; you can still use Zorro cards, which makes it appealing to people still using Amiga based VideoToaster systems professionally (and there are some; just look in the guest book on the site).

Plus, I don't want a whole new Coldfire based computer, I want to use the coldfire upgrade with the existing zorro cards in my A1500, along with newer stuff (USB2.0 etc.) on the accelerator card.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 36 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 27-Jun-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP):
Please, DaveP, let's not get into some Don Quixotesque misadventure.
First of all, who ever mentioned the Pegasos? That's right, you did, and no-one else.
Second of all, is the Pegasos called an Amiga? Nope, it's the Teron which is.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 37 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 27-Jun-2003 17:12 GMT
OS4.0 for coldfire can be interesting, Aros for coldfire is all sow an interesting option, the question when it comes to OS4.0 and this card is will all the new features work with this CPU, will it support vm, mp, (smp), stuff.

and OS4.0 port for coldfire will be like side tracking the effort for going PPC, it really don't go will with overall gaols of AmigaOS4.x to quit the legacy Amiga's once the Commandore Amiga software is ported to the new OS.

One question is there noe Video-Toaster software/hardware for PCI slots?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 38 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 27-Jun-2003 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (DaveP):
it's always been possible, but nobody's ever done the effort. What difference there is between the coldfire and 68k is slight, a few instructions and modes (several of which one could not use with the Amiga anyways or else violate the chipset).

However, the differences have grown in time. This is not the most modern coldfire, as a result.

However, my hats off to them.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 39 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 27-Jun-2003 18:52 GMT
This looks like a great project, and not to sound greedy or anything, but what is the possibility of adding a PPC to the accelerator in the same mould as a CSPPC? Maybe not in the first incarnation, but maybe a MkII, or in a plug-in module?
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 40 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2003 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Roj):
How about getting it to boot for the first time before thinking about dual CPU stuff, which is completely different ballgame.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 41 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by greywire on 27-Jun-2003 19:19 GMT
Since the coldfire is meant for embeded applications and therefore can be built into a small system size, why not create a coldfire based "amiga" PDA? Put AOS4.0 on it, develop or license some handwriting recognition software etc. AOS would make a great OS for a small device, it would run awesome on a 200Mhz coldfire, it would be comparable to typical PDA's.

This is really what Amiga Inc should be doing. I dont honestly know if I would bother with an AmigaOne as a desktop system these days, but as a PDA I would jump at it!
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 42 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by cv643d on 27-Jun-2003 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (anonymous):
I didnt have time or motivation. If i didnt post it you wouldnt have seen it.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 43 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 27-Jun-2003 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (DaveP):
@DaveP

> You didn't offend me, I just don't like seeing BS like this used as a put down to prospective A1 owners.

I don't see how complaining about a product by MAI that I feel is poorly designed is putting down A1 owners? You're the only one here taking offence to this. There's a saying "Back to the drawing board!". I have no problem saying this to the designers from MAI or bplan.

> In both the AOS and the MOS cases the "Amiga spirit" has become purely
> about the OS and not the hardware. Given I hear you praising MOS and
> Pegasos a fair amount you must have swallowed those reservations about
> the Pegasos hardware not having anything "Amiga" alike about it.

Praising MorphOS and Pegasos? Hardly, they both still need a lot of work! I see the Pegasos as a "new computer platform", not a new "Amiga".

Would you like me to post a list of all the weaknesses I find in the Pegasos hardware or MorphOS operating system? I have talked about this before and you know.. my concerns are taken seriously and considered! :-)

At least I have a better chance of influencing the development of MorphOS and Pegasos because of groups like the Phoenix Developer Consortium, who are working with Genesi. ;-)


How is your Phoenix membership application coming along? :-)

> I mean if thats the only difference you can come out with then its
> as spurious as claiming that the Atari Lynx is somehow more Amiga
> for obvious ( but according to you oh so very pertinent ) reasons
> ( if you research it ).

Atari Lynx was cool. Designed by great guys, Dave Needle & RJ, a few of the original Amiga engineers.

> Next we will hear again the other old hoary one about Eyetech getting the *production* done at a Far Eastern Manufacturer (TM).

And who is that Far Eastern Manufacturer? I happen to like to know where the product I buy are made. :-)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 44 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Oliver Hannaford-Day on 27-Jun-2003 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (cv643d):
Hi,

> If i didnt post it you wouldnt have seen it.
Unless you visited amiga-news.de with-in the last week, or joined the ColdfireAmiga newsgroup on Yahoo. ;-)

> Amiga hw is aging fast and dying.
> All the classic amiga hw is running
> way past the intended life span already.
True but there are a lot of Amiga's still in use and would you really want another new Amiga motherboard?

>I really hope the production boards are blue, as well,
> because that PCB looks great ;)
Nice isnt it :-)

>I am however having trouble with motorolas site to
> find out how fast these processors go in MHz.
www.motorola.com/coldfire/
however some browsers (Like mine) dont display the navigation bar :-(
The V4 goes to 220Mhz, 333Mhz chips are in development and news is ment to be published soon on a V4e chip with extra's built in.

> does it emulate some instructions, only -
> or does it emulate a whole 68k CPU?
It creates a virtual 68K using instructions in the Coldfire combined with the few emulated ones, so to answer your question its just emulates some instruction.

>How about compatibility with old software?
It should be very compatiable with almost all software.

>How about Price/Performance compared to the existing PPC solutions?
Depends on how much difference the SDRam interface make otherwise there will be very little difference between PPC and Coldfire on the A1200, on the A4000, well that should be much cheaper but just as fast.
Also it depends if you run lots of 68K programs on your PPC solution, if so then the Coldfire should be much faster...

>Will there be a JIT ?
Its an error based emulator, if the Colfire fails due to the instruction not existing the emulator will have a look and see if its a 68K instruction and if so convert it to a Coldfire version.

> This looks like a complete little computer by itself!
> Add some kind of display support and you have a stand-alone computer!
Thats the Coldfire for you, its a cool little chip.

> Perhaps it would make it better on "the market"
> as a stand-alone computer than as a CPU upgrade for
> classic Amigas?
Naa, to many of them already. (Amiga wise)

> Why don't you talk to Jeri and license her "Super VIC"
Ermm... Im just doing a CPU upgrade, other things may come latter but its best not to think about them until this is finished.

> How feasible is it though hardware tech heads?
Totally :-)

> will it support vm, mp, (smp), stuff.
The V4 wont support VM, MP should just fine, The V4e and V5e would support VM and all that sort of thing though.

> but what is the possibility of adding a PPC to the accelerator
> in the same mould as a CSPPC?
It could be done but with OS4.0 not using the 68K would it be a good idea?
The Shark could be added though, if you had PCI slots.

> why not create a coldfire based "amiga" PDA?
Because I want a Coldfire Amiga :-)
A PDA could be done if enough people bought the Amiga upgrade but thats a long way to think, The Coldfire could do it though.

Anyway any questions e-mail me. (Address above)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 45 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 27-Jun-2003 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (greywire):
@greywire

> Since the coldfire is meant for embeded applications and therefore can
> be built into a small system size, why not create a coldfire based "amiga"
> PDA? Put AOS4.0 on it, develop or license some handwriting recognition
> software etc. AOS would make a great OS for a small device, it would run
> awesome on a 200Mhz coldfire, it would be comparable to typical PDA's.

> This is really what Amiga Inc should be doing. I dont honestly know if I would bother with an AmigaOne as a desktop system these days, but as a PDA I would jump at it!

Sounds like a cool idea to me! :-)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 46 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 28-Jun-2003 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Lando):
Win? Win? It's not about winning, it's about playing the game...

Gregg
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 47 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 28-Jun-2003 02:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Iggy Drougge):
@Iggy

What does that have to do with it? Please read it again, taking account of the logic and especially where I point out that the A1 is in fact the same as a Pegasos to all intents and purposes and Darth finds the Pegasos acceptable.

However if one has to be so *scared* of mentioning the name of a product to make a point this community just became a little bit more 1984.
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 48 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jun-2003 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (neongod):
...hmm, I sort of agree with you. but i'd prefer to rephrase it.

This ColdFire project is the best thing for the classic Amiga
since the release of PCI boards for these systems!

Everyone always wished for 100MHz 060's and 080's etc - well, THIS
is the alternative way. Its also very clean and obvious way to go!

I'm not a fanboy of A1 *OR* Pegasos. but , come on, lets face it,
theres not a single part of 'Amiga spirit' in those motherboards.
they are both implementations of a MB with 3rd party south/north bridges,
PowerPC chip, PCI etc..... come to think of it, replace the PPC with x86 and
you have a standard Intel PC!!! so. why is one better than the other? well,
at the end of the day it'll come down to how much 'Amiga' is in the Operating System. it'll all be revealed in the wash and rinse stage.

myself. I'm keen on seeing AmigaOS on PowerPC native. its been a long 4 year wish. i'm also keen on zipping my 060 Amiga A1200 some extra speed notches
for all the classic 68k stuff that'll only run in emulation (if at all) on these new PPC systems

70x17y
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 49 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 28-Jun-2003 10:02 GMT
Ah, back to the comments on ANN after a few days away...

:-) As per usual, we have the pegasos brigade starting on the amigaone brigade in the style of "My Pegasos is more of an Amiga than your AmigaONE is" - and then when DaveP points out that the Pegasos has nothing in common with Classic Amiga he gets "Shut up and don't bring the Pegasos into this."!!!

Come on guys - wake up. Neither the Pegasos nor the AmigaONE have ANYTHING in common with the classic Amiga series, regardless of who they're designed by! Let's drop the petty arguments okay - unless you're willing to design and manufacture your own custom chipped successor to the Classic Amiga?! (Didn't think so).
Actually, thinking about it - you don't have to drop the arguments - they're fantastic entertainment for those who aren't die-hard fans of either the Blue or Red brigade! :-) I mean, they are also killing off what's left of the Amiga community, but whatever makes you feel more of a man...

Back on topic...

I really REALLY hope the Coldfire team can pull off this project - I'm going to aquire an A2000 for free and this could give it a great new lease of life! Good luck to all involved :-) Is the price of the cards still going to be around the £150-£200 mark?!

Cheers,
Ian :-)
Coldfire prototype, pics : Comment 50 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 28-Jun-2003 15:01 GMT
Hey, I'll buy one or two of these cards!
I like my Amiga (the "classic" as some idiots call it - the "real thing" as I'd say) and making it faster is always a Good Thing (TM).
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