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Posted on 01-Jul-2003 09:40 GMT by Bill Panagouleas (Edited on 2003-07-02 08:46:22 GMT by Christian Kemp)56 comments
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AmiZilla Progress report - read more below. Current Booty: $4122.45

New! SourceForge website setup to share/update codebase for AmiZilla port.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/amizilla

New! Offical URL for AmiZilla

http://www.amizilla.org

Mailinglist now has over 162 members and over 240 messages, most are about programming and porting Mozilla.

AmiZilla website has gotten over 1 million hits since appearing on the famous unix geek website slashdot.

AmiZilla continues to gather positive press for the Amiga and MorphOS by being covered on mainstream websites like CNET's news.com, mozillazine.org and many others.

http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3262

http://www.toolinux.com/lininfo/news/news/news20030608003711.htm

Amiga Inc. representative Fleecy Moss has commented they like AmiZilla but will not contribute to the Initiative because a port is also underway for MorphOS.

New! AmiZilla poster "I Want You" by Eric Schwartz available in two sizes for webmasters that want to promote AmiZilla on their site.

New! AmiZilla Banner designed by Luca Ferraris.

New! Female Russian artist hired to create mascot for MorphOS version of Mozilla port.

New! Genesi and Phoenix Developer Consortium have been watching the project with great interest for some time. and may contribute funds.

Keep in mind that the AmiZilla Project needs you to be successful. The booty is now over $4122, which is a impressive amount of money for an Amiga project. If only one programmer was working on the port this would be a nice reward. However several programmers are working together. Once the money is split among coders the booty is not big enough. Please contribute if you can, every dollar helps motivate programmers to make the AmiZilla Project a success. After the release of AmiZilla more projects are being developed like Hot CoCo (JVM) and F Gordon (Flash). The development and launch of these add-ons to AmiZilla depend on the success of that project. Paypal donations can be sent in via this weblink.

www.amizilla.org

About AmiZilla

The goal of the AmiZilla effort is to raise such an obscene/huge amount of money to give away to the first programmer/team that can port Mozilla to Amiga/Compatible systems that programmers will be falling over themselves getting this application coded in record time.

About DiscreetFX

DiscreetFX has been creating software products for the Amiga, video editing & computer generated graphics (CGI) industry since 1995. The Amiga computer defined and created the video editing, computer graphics market with its birth in 1985. DiscreetFX creates Real-time transitions and effects seen on over 100 television programs including Blind Date, 5th Wheel, Shipmates and more! You can also see DiscreetFX software used on the following networks HBO, Showtime, Discovery Channel, PBS, Fox and more!
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 01-Jul-2003 07:49 GMT
Hey, you forgot http://nicomen.com/pics/amizilla.png I posted it in the files section of the list weeks ago :) Hmm maybe it was too ugly :D
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Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 01-Jul-2003 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Sorry about that, we will update the site and add it to www.amizilla.org in about 12 hours.
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Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 08:18 GMT
"Amiga Inc. representative Fleecy Moss has commented they like AmiZilla but will not contribute to the Initiative because a port is also underway for MorphOS."

what a lame reason :/
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Posted by Lando on 01-Jul-2003 08:20 GMT
>Amiga Inc. representative Fleecy Moss has commented they like AmiZilla but
> will not contribute to the Initiative because a port is also underway for
>MorphOS.

Christ, how petty can that man get... pathetic. "Yes, we would have contributed to the project and helped all our loyal customers but because you're making it for those nasty MorphOS people too we won't help". Well, really, what could Amiga Inc contribute anyway? They have no staff, no money and no talent.

Anyway, I applaud the efforts of all involved in this project. It's another great example of the community coming together to advance the platform (albeit with a little bit of financial incentive ;)
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Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lando):
That is so true, look at what amiga inc does, it takes them 2.5 year (or is it 3.5? i've even lost the count ;/) for them to tell hyperion to port the amigaexec to ppc code and develop a new hd tool + update gui. And beyond that I have new idea, all this talk about developers signing up, amigade products selling well and so on, uhm, where? can i see anything of their work? any support they have gotten?

this community deserves better, someone like genesi, to bad not everyone understands that. They gave away morphos to amigappc users for free, they shows intrests in the community and actually read our thoughts on various forums, they try to develop their hardware and software and actually make some progress, they have made a morphos developer website with a free sdk available. They let users swap their "old" pegasos hardware to new without making them lose any money since they get the updates for a very good price. And so on. I really like them and what they do a lot. We should all show our support and appreciation for everything they does and help them ( which actually is more like helping us ;). Sure i like BSD and Linux, but i want a new nice desktop os, and genesi is most likely to give me one =)

BBRV: Keep up the good work =)
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 08:29 GMT
Fleecy helps plan the 2005 Amiga Inc. budget and sneaks in $1 for the Amizilla effort. He hopes he is not busted by accounting.
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Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
Oh, i forgot genesis recognision about how we all love the old amiga demo scene and their shown support to get a bunch of new amiga demos running on ppc hardware :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 01-Jul-2003 08:41 GMT
That is *NOT* the only reason Fleecy gave. He said that they were planning their own HTML rendering libraries for OS4.x.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 01-Jul-2003 09:02 GMT
Not to cause any flames, but it almost seem like the main focus in the project is to make a lot of mascots, banners and promotion. Any news of any actual development?

> New! Female Russian artist hired to create mascot for MorphOS version of
> Mozilla port.

I guess that will mean that there won't be a "she is green, she is sexy" lizard with brah and panties anymore?
;-)
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Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
Maybe the female amizilla lizzard needs a male friend? =)
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 09:29 GMT
Apart from the fact that the layout of the site
sucks it's a very good initiative. Looking forward
to using Mozilla somewhere in 2005 :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Very cool graphics from Eric Schwartz :) Keep up
the good work.
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Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 01-Jul-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
We would take suggestions and help inproving the layout of the website. We are video effects software creators. We like web design but it is not our first fortay. anyone that is willing to help with the layout of the site to support the AmiZilla Effort. please contact me billATdiscreetfx.com
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Posted by magnetic on 01-Jul-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Hagge):
Yeah, it is really lame. Especially when the REAL reason is they are
DEAD BROKE
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Peter Gordon):
Do you have the slightest idea of how long will it take to make one? Never mind a decent one... another 4 years to have a capable browser on AOS 4? Bwahahahaha!
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Posted by tired on 01-Jul-2003 11:24 GMT
is that a "progress report" ? i only see a "marketing report" here
we learn nothing new
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 01-Jul-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
That all depends on whether you base it on anything pre-existing, how many developers you put on the project, the design goals of the project, how competent the development team is. The fact is you don't know anything about it, so your childish put downs and attitude are uncalled for.

And yes, I do know the kind of work required. I have written quite parsing engines for all sorts of different scripting and layout languages, as well as a couple of compiled and interpretive programming languages.

Yes, I agree that a set of libraries for web-standards is an ambicious task, BUT if it really *IS* on the AmigaOS development roadmap, it *IS* a valid excuse for not supporting other efforts to the same ends.

I also don't think you'll see a functional AmiZilla any time soon.
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Posted by dammy on 01-Jul-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Peter Gordon):
> That is *NOT* the only reason Fleecy gave. He said that they were planning
> their own HTML rendering libraries for OS4.x.

That's funny, I thought Amiga Inc was not envovled in OS4's developement. So when Amiga Inc goes under, does that mean OS4 goes under as well?

Dammy
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Posted by corpse on 01-Jul-2003 12:18 GMT
/me thinks AmiDillo would be a better/easier idea

but some sort of GTK1.x/2.x -> MUI wrapper(So both AmigaOs 68K/OS4 and MorphOS could take advantage of it ofcourse :)) and thus allow easy porting of a lot of nice *nix apps would be more benefical.
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Posted by DaveP on 01-Jul-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (dammy):
No it means that if Amiga Inc goes under you won't get those libraries for AmigaOS4.x delivered by Amiga Inc for AOS4.
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Posted by darklite on 01-Jul-2003 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Peter Gordon):
>That is *NOT* the only reason Fleecy gave. He said that they were planning
>their own HTML rendering libraries for OS4.x.

And do Hyperion know about this yet?
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Posted by dammy on 01-Jul-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (DaveP):
> No it means that if Amiga Inc goes under you won't get those libraries for
> AmigaOS4.x delivered by Amiga Inc for AOS4.

Who is Amiga Inc using to develope those Libs?

Dammy
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Posted by cheesegrate on 01-Jul-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Panagouleas):
@ bill
i thougth the amizilla effort was expanded to encompass porting khtml as well to get the booty? ;)

keep up the good work
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Posted by DaveP on 01-Jul-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (dammy):
Who knows outside of Amiga Inc? I am merely pointing out that if Fleecy means "we" as in Amiga Inc then if they are developing such an engine then if they go titsup.com them it doesn't logically follow that AOS4.0 will be taken with it.
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Posted by Elwood on 01-Jul-2003 13:54 GMT
I don't see any "good" reason to work on Amizilla. Ibrowse will soon provide enough to everyone (even Flash)...
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Posted by ne_one on 01-Jul-2003 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Elwood):
There is a perfectly good reason why time and energy should be devoted to porting Mozilla. There is a small army of coders working on this open source technology on multiple platforms. The feasibility of developing and maintaining a new HTML/Javascript/Java/Flash engine is not even remotely thinkable.

IBrowse could benefit greatly from this effort as well, through the Gecko rendering engine.

Where Amiga Inc. is coming from is beyond me.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (ne_one):
"maintaining" ... you really thing that if mozilla is ported to amiga,
the source code will be maintainable with the original mozilla sources
?
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Posted by corpse on 01-Jul-2003 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (ne_one):
Gecko is huge and would require a lot more then one man band to maintain an Amiga port. We need a small HTML/XHTML rendering in the form a shared library really, I haven't looked at its source yet but Dillo comes in at around 300k for the complete browser and would be a perfect start for a rendering library :).
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Posted by MarkTime on 01-Jul-2003 15:35 GMT
someone asked about developers actually working.
I can't speak for AmiZilla, I haven't followed that in quite sometime.
But I am still working on a browser.

I have switched from my first plan, which was to port mozilla, by using a virtual machine similar to the one used in fusion. That plan only worked on a real amiga with a hardware MMU. I did buy the machine and use it for a while....it sucked so bad, it was so dog slow, I hated it. Besides since Hyperion casted doubt on OS 4.0 to Blizzard, I bailed on that platform, assuming it was a dead end again.

Back to using Amiga Forever, its the only decent solution right now. But that means, no MMU....no doing a virtual machine....going back to porting the browser not the environment.

But I won't port Mozilla. It's too big and there is so much to port.

But Dillo could be ported as a hobby project....thought about it, but you wouldn't really have done the community that big a favor, I mean Dillo really sucks....the cute AmiDillo name, notwithstanding.

Listen folks, there are more browsers in the world, than linux browsers alone.
Embedded browsers have been done by literally dozens of companies, even GEOS on the Brother Notebook had a browser (how ironic a C64 like OS had a browser)

well...we have browsers too, and the key is, porting one that is universally
recognized as being a big improvement.

Like KHTML based browsers (ala Apple's safari).

But, I am looking at another renderer, not even KHTML, something manageable,
but something that supports tables and frames.

And when I'm done, I hope to have something that could be used for HTML help, could be used as an online browser, if needed. Something free and native.

something that will 'have its uses' so to speak.

Anyway, so I'm working on it already. I hope to be done with my little effort by the end of the year, it won't be a world beater....but if its a free browser with more standards support.....than that will accomplish my goal.
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Posted by Kjetil on 01-Jul-2003 16:08 GMT
What type of mockup is this? There is no AmiZilla project as far as I se it, I have taken a look at www.amizlla.org and the place is empty no bug reports no forum, no files to download, no web page,

http://www.amizilla.org is dead link.

The first time I so anything about Mozilla where in 1997 or OS in AmigaFormat and there is nothing, not even a web-page,

And way put this carp there ? this is flamewar trigger!!!

“Amiga Inc. representative Fleecy Moss has commented they like AmiZilla but will not contribute to the Initiative because a port is also underway for MorphOS.”

Ben comment when he where in Sweden where that they where going to help the already existing browsers to be ported to OS4.0, and that where planning to port a rendering engine for OS4.1 / OS4.2, and there for there where no interest in funding external effort at this time, as they head there own plans.

There where also a comment of the size of the Mozilla browser that there be to big and to complicated to be ported, if they where going to support any thing that would be rendering engine.

This is not the correct wording and my memory is bit fuzzy, however I hope you get an idea.
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Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 01-Jul-2003 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (tired):
One of the major updates per the Press Release is that coders have setup sourceforge and five coders are working on porting the code.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/amizilla
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Posted by MarkTime on 01-Jul-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Bill Panagouleas):
I think your developers are going to have some huge hurdles to overcome in that AmigaOS doesn't support threads and therefore is a fundamentally different beast than linux.....

However, with that said they might be interested in the NanoZilla project, which already solved certain problems you will find....it removed the X-windows dependency (by using Nano-X), and it removed GTK widget set dependency (again by bringing its own FLTK)

point, being, they made this browser work on embedded linux for STB's, with 9mb of flash and 32mb of ram being the requirements, its one of the lightest versions of mozilla ever....

this is what amigan's would need.

But, its still a monster port, but it should help..Nanozilla is a commercial broswer, but earlier versions were open source...

anyway, if it helps...thought I'd throw it out there.
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Posted by Kjetil on 01-Jul-2003 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MarkTime):
If they wait until OS4.0 is out then they do not need to worry about that problem!!

My guess is all the GUI stuff that need to be rewritten or they can make a wrapper for all the C library functions, if they do they will spear a lot of time maintaining the program.
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Posted by greenboy on 01-Jul-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Bill Panagouleas):
Hey Bill,

It would be nice to see the core developers get in touch with me; I'd like to get a timeline, a priority list, and so on. I really need this to help take it to the next level.


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
 
 
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Posted by DaveP on 01-Jul-2003 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MarkTime):
"I think your developers are going to have some huge hurdles to overcome in that AmigaOS doesn't support threads and therefore is a fundamentally different beast than linux..... "

This is actually quite easy to overcome compared to what you'd think. If you need help, I can provide you with code examples, suitably obfuscated.
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Posted by MarkTime on 01-Jul-2003 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (DaveP):
CRAP, I wrote a really long post, but my browser wouldn't post for some reason, so now I'm back in Internet Explorer.

I appreciate the offer, but I'm already down a different path. I think I'm aware of some of the workarounds, which, imho, aren't suitable, but without examining what you mean, I'll just have to let that go....perhaps you have something working...in which case, cool.

But I already have my html renderer going based on someone elses html render source (entirely someone elses work at this point) and a little browser interface already running (in Windows of course)

So...long story short, I'm not changing directions again...I'm not really
doing this project for any sensible reason, so I might as well just finish
it and not worry about results.

I will have a 3.2+ standards compliant browser with frame support, that does a fairly decent job of rendering the Amiga websites...albeit currently its too slow, and won't post a form, but
thats to be expected in this state.....

What good will this do? well I don't know, it will probably be behind current Amiga web browsers from the moment its released...so I will have to poise it at specialty uses of some kind....ability to set the spoofing options without restriction, set http_referrer, maybe....I don't know, someone will come up with something.
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Posted by José on 01-Jul-2003 18:48 GMT
"... this community deserves better, someone like genesi, to bad not everyone understands that..."
You make it sound like Genesi is the perfect company, your saviours or something Genesi doesn't want a free market, they want to control everything. With AOS4 any hardware company can have their hardware approved. Fair isn't it? Maybe AINc hasn't done much, but that's a different matter (no need to mix things here).


"They gave away morphos to amigappc"
0.1?
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Posted by MarkTime on 01-Jul-2003 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (MarkTime):
Brainstorm!

(too late to deny that I don't code first, plan second)

but, I could use this HTML rendering engine, in lieu of any other decent
rendering library being available, but then when the Amiga OS teams and
MorphOS teams deliver a KHTML based, or some other based solution, then I can
replace this library with one of those, and then I can concentrate on the
other components that make up a web browser.

so first step, well thats actually alraedy accomplished, first step was
get something running on Windows.
then second step, get that minimal configuration running on Amiga OS.

third step, work on getting the browser functions (caching, bookmarks, etc.) to be something truly decent.

and 4th step (which I believe, honestly, will never actually happen) would
be to replace this rendering engine with the OS 4.1 native rendering engine.
AmiZilla Progress report : Comment 39 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 01-Jul-2003 19:57 GMT
How about a progress update on the development of Amizilla?
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (dammy):
> Who is Amiga Inc using to develope those Libs?

The same resource they use for most projects...

Unpaid employees.
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Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 01-Jul-2003 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (smithy):
The sourceforge website for AmiZilla will have progress updates, it is already seeing some activity.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 ():
Pfft. AInc isn't even a member of the W3C.
AmiZilla Progress report : Comment 43 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by pascal on 01-Jul-2003 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
I don't think Amiga Inc would be able to pay the W3C member fee, I don't see any advantage for them to be a W3C member either.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 5555 ():
I rule.
You all suck!
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Posted by Barry Floss on 01-Jul-2003 23:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (DaveP):
"I am merely pointing out that if Fleecy means "we" as in Amiga Inc then if they are developing such an engine then if they go titsup.com them it doesn't logically follow that AOS4.0 will be taken with it."

You brits sure like your tits up don't ya?
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Posted by pascal on 02-Jul-2003 00:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Kjetil):
Kjetil, that's a pretty stupid comment your made. The main announcements were of course that the project is now hosted at sourceforge, that several coders are already at work, that a lot of people subscribed to the mailing list and that this project is raising interest from people OUTSIDE of the minuscule and shrinking amiga community. You think that's nothing ?

Actually, reading amiga users here is often discouraging for ex-amiga users like me, everytime somebody plans some real concerted action and coding on this platform, you have lots of whiners coming to say that they got it all wrong, that they should do/port product x, y or z instead, that they will never succeed or that it is useless because some secret project is already underway by an amiga actor that will make the effort useless in 3 months from now blah blah blah...
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Posted by Hagge on 02-Jul-2003 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (corpse):
> Gecko is huge and would require a lot more then one man band to maintain an Amiga port. We need a small HTML/XHTML rendering in the form a shared library really, I haven't looked at its source yet but Dillo comes in at around 300k for the complete browser and would be a perfect start for a rendering library :).

but then dillo suck, if it wouldn't i would have used it as browser instead of mozilla, which i don't.
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Posted by Hagge on 02-Jul-2003 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (José):
> You make it sound like Genesi is the perfect company, your saviours or something Genesi doesn't want a free market, they want to control everything. With AOS4 any hardware company can have their hardware approved. Fair isn't it? Maybe AINc hasn't done much, but that's a different matter (no need to mix things here).

Uhm, so please tell me why amigaos4 doesn't support the pegasos? I thought it was because amiga inc would force genesi to bundle it then.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 02-Jul-2003 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Sounds like we're back at Amizilla again, then. Most Mozilla developers are after all unpaid Netscape developers. That's the new way, the open source way.
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Posted by Sturm on 02-Jul-2003 06:59 GMT
Know Arexx? I need to get a little something done in arexx. It reads the first
line of a list.txt file, it uses that for a function. What the problem is is
how do I move that line to be the last line on the list? Any ideas appreciated and if it works I'll give you credit when the apps are done.
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