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[Web] July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly releasedANN.lu
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The July Edition of the [..] online newsletter for Club Amiga members has been released and is available to club members at http://os.amiga.com/cam. All in all it makes very interesting reading.

Highlights include the latest update on OS4 from Hyperion's Ben Hermans, Fleecy's regular editorial (which is amusing as ever), and the experiences of an AmigaOne XE owner and an AmigaDE developer.

July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 51 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Frans):
"$50 is not that big of a deal."

Cool. So you will send me $50 if I ask, then? I mean, it is no that big of a deal, so you won't miss it, right?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 52 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
donating $50 to a cause HE wants to donate to is no big deal.

Somehow I dont think your a cause HE wants to donate to !!
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 53 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 01-Jul-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (%00):
> You all think MorphOS and Pegasos is better than OS4 and AmigaONE so why not

It's hard not to be better then vaporware. Pegasos is better then AmigaOne? Dunno, never saw the final cerberus results of the two. AmigaOne is better then Peg2 because Peg2 is vaporware. OS4, well, it's a good laugh for those of us who don't care about it since it's what, over a year late in release and it's still not native PPC yet and no real date of release? That is pretty damn funny.

> carry on enjoying your OS and doing productive stuff than bringing up Amiga
> Inc's obvious short comings time and time again? I mean if OS4 is so inferior > then you've got nothing to worry about, right?

Perhaps if the Amiga Inc fanboys would STFU about any fart's from Fleecy and wait till there was something real to post about, they may not get such a negative response from folks like me. Blatant PR gimmicks like post about each new newsletter is going to get flamed. Guess any PR other then Rich's auction of stuff he bought from their landlord's auction of Amiga Inc's office gear is good PR, huh?

Dammy
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 54 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 01-Jul-2003 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (%00):
> I mean if OS4 is so inferior then you've got nothing to worry about, right? We are not worrying about OS4 here, but we are worrying about Amiga users here :-) We are here to protect you ;)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 55 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 01-Jul-2003 18:11 GMT
To be back on the subject.
The article on dos.library is well written and informative.

The sad thing about it is that there is a lot of "reinvent the wheel" or "reinvent the code".
I have asked about BCPL existance in dos library years ago to someone at H&P who had access to the OS3.1 source code and it told be that every BCPL cde was removed.
The AROS team also had to recode a dos.library from scratch.

While it is nice to have different implementations of the same thing it is sad to see so much effort wasted recreating the wheel again and again.
Let's hope that the different dos.library implementations will stay compatible.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 56 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 01-Jul-2003 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Madgun68):
This thread is hillarious. Every month when the newsletter comes out the same messages about t-shirts, etc. I don't care if people didn't get a t-shirt, especially if they don't care; what kind of morons go on and on about the same things over and over. After five months of similar posts it continues. I don't have access to the newsletter and, if you're like me, you have nothing to say regarding this news topic. All around the world there are subscription magazines. N.A. fin.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 57 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 01-Jul-2003 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (dammy):
> AmigaOne is better then Peg2 because Peg2 is vaporware.

My god, Id never thought Id hear you agree with this.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 58 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 01-Jul-2003 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Christophe Decanini):
> Let's hope that the different dos.library implementations will stay compatible They wont. The document states dos.library got new functions, but MOS added some other functions there. MOS and OS4 are traveling different routes.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 59 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 01-Jul-2003 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (NihilVor):
Making fun out of AI is too easy.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 60 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 19:01 GMT
Funny that mainly Pegasos/MOS are complaining about this submitted news as not being news, but yet it was submitted by a Pegasos/MOS supporter.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 61 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Hagge):
>If amiga inc was intrested in getting developers they would give away
>information like that for free

Stop the bullshit. Developers belonging to Amiga closed lists are given a password to read the CAM.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 62 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Jul-2003 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Mr. Anonymous,

I don't know who you are but I haven't heard anything from anyone asking about their club membership that hasn't been replied to.

If you are a genuine member and have a genuine question or complaint, email me and you'll get a reply.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 63 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Wow. You've subscribed all possible future developers to "Amiga closed lists"?

Amazing.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 64 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Jul-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (dammy):
@Dammy

We don't "demand" anything. If you don't want to join the club and read Club Amiga Magazine, then don't join. It IS really that simple and completely your choice.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 65 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Jul-2003 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (%00):
"How about adding a !CAM command as well as the !fleecy command that's already It might keep you all happy and possibly stop these deliberate posts"

Funny, and this just shows how important and in-mind fleecy and Amiga is to that "crowd."

I'm also happy to see someone has put their fantastic "talent" to use and made a complex (sic) eggbot trigger. Come over to one of our channels and you'll find quite the lack of talk about the "other company" or its products and the bots do little more than make sure the channel is alive and not being taken over.

So, who feels threatened here? Cetainly not the guys who lack lame name triggers in a channel where the target (in this case "fleecy," according to the troll to which I'm replying and his associate trolls) is not even present. LOL!

Really pathetic..
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 66 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Jul-2003 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
You're being VERY silly. First of all, there is no SDK for AmigaOS 4 in the public, yet. When that time comes, either amiga or Hyperion (or both together) will make sure as much information as possible because available to ALL developers.

As far as I know, a compiler/linker (gcc) will be included with AmigaOS4 (Ben will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure). I doubt it will be an Integrated Development Environment (IDE) as I'm sure that will be an add-on product to be available separately at some point.

The difference here is with AmigaDE/Amiga-Anywhere. Amiga cannot give away the SDK because we need to pay licensing fees. If and when Amiga *can* give it away, we will.

As for Club Amiga Magazine, all relevant AmigaOS4 articles are released to the public a month or two behind the publishing date of the respective CAM issue in which it is published.

Club Amiga members also get some (non-vital) information and historical articles that the general public doesn't see. This is to be expected. If you don't like it, join. If you don't want to join, your loss.

Those still whining about it are those who aren't aware of how to contact us and haven't e-mailed us to ask about their merchandise (those which we will continue to try and contact to help and work with) or those who have another agenda (those vultures waiting for some fantasy death of Amiga Inc to further their own cause).
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 67 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray, it's funny to see how you still feel so offended for getting asked to leave.

Try to get over it, you're not the center of the universe.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 68 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 01-Jul-2003 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray, of course you're not feeling any stress *at all* from the
competition. You don't have to keep saying this, don't you think we
believe you?!
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 69 of 213ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: insult
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 70 of 213ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: trolling
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 71 of 213ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: trolling
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 72 of 213ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 69 (Mr Angry):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: profanity
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 73 of 213ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: impersonation
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 74 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Then consult your National Board for Consumer Policies. If you want to achieve something else than spreading FUD, that is.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 75 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 01-Jul-2003 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Samface):
And you *DO* have their physical mailing address, which is the legal method for doing such a refund demand, right? PO Box is not legal for such a process, I would note.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 76 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 20:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (itix):
The AmigaOne Earlybirds has nothing to do with Amiga Inc. and their Club Amiga offer, it was an initiative solely on the behalf of Eyetech. As far as Amiga Inc. is concerned, it is not an AmigaOne system until it runs AmigaOS4, hence the name "Earlybird". The Club Amiga offer was for the final official release of the AmigaOne as well as AmigaOS4, not some "Earlybird" AmigaOne nor any form of beta release of AmigaOS4 (if such version would be released).
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 77 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
No, it was NOT a "loan", it was an offer to join the club for a $50 fee and get a rebate of the same amount on either an AmigaOne or AmigaOS4 for free. Noone has been denied what they paid for. The rebates will be given out as soon as the products are available. If you're not happy with these terms, I'm sure it's only a matter of asking Amiga Inc. to cancel your Club Amiga membership.

Furthermore, who is the most "real" person, me or mr "Anonymous"?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 78 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alan Redhouse):
<sigh> i thought address spoofing was a thing of the past. or if it is you, Alan, you're not good at grammar or spelling this evening :-|
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 79 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Ray A. Akey):
OK, Ray - to what physical mail address can I write, please?

No, I am not going to use email as you guys have ignored that in the past. I want to send a written letter and require AInc to sign for its receipt so you can't claim it was not received and then just inore it.

Only problem is, you are all hiding behind a PO Box number, which won;t do.
so, Ray, put up or shut up - to what address can one write to request a refund, please?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 80 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Golem on 01-Jul-2003 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Samface):
"Furthermore, who is the most "real" person, me or mr "Anonymous"?"

I vote for Mr. Anonymous.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 81 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Samface):
Hey Spamface- are you telling us that the "AmigaOne" is NOT available and has never BEEN available?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 82 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Madgun68 on 01-Jul-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (NihilVor):
It's a situation easy enough to solve. All Amiga Inc need to do is print up the shirts and send them. *POOF* Problem resolved. They were supposedly close to correcting this problem six months ago.. yet the problem persists. Does anyone honestly think that Amiga Inc is going to be able to honor all the coupons out there if they can't even do this?

I should also note that being a part of the Amiga community does not require membership in a club. Being a member of this community and being a proud Amigan, I have every right to be concerned when a company that's supposedly the hub of the community has so many problems as they do.

I'm not one of the people who think that removing Amiga Inc is the only way to solve the problems of the community. I think another way would for them to start being honest and give people straight answers. Being on the level would not only help issues with trust but also stop giving people fuel to add to the fire.. I don't think that's asking for too much.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 83 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 01-Jul-2003 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Samface):
> The AmigaOne Earlybirds has nothing to do with Amiga Inc. Ok, my mistake. > The Club Amiga offer was for the final official release of the AmigaOne> as well as AmigaOS4, not some "Earlybird" AmigaOne nor any form of beta> release of AmigaOS4 (if such version would be released). This has been discussed million times already and we could debate forever. So I'm not going for it. But I wonder why people are so forgiving for certain company. It is just only a computer, not some girlfriend! :-)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 84 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (darklite):
Oh no, not another "Amiga Inc is the devil" plotter... *sigh*

If you have any concerns with Amiga Inc., take it up with them or you National Board for Consumer Policies. Everything else is telling me that you are NOT interested in solving any issues. On the contrary, people like you seem to want nothing else besides slander them. It's like throwing mud at a fan; everyone gets muddy rather than just those you're aiming at, but mostly you since you are the one standing closest to it. The funniest part about it though, is that you don't even seem to notice.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 85 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (MIKE):
Eeehm... exactly what does revisionism got to do with anything?

As for embarrassment, that's what rash conclusions will do to you.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 86 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Madgun68):
For christ sake, how could they possibly increase sales for a product that isn't even released yet? Who said the marketing of AmigaOS4 wouldn't tell their customers all they ever wanted to know about the product?

Now, rewind and consider why things like this (URL below) would classify as marketing rather than an in-depth article which would only interest a true AmigaOS fan:

http://os.amiga.com/cam/index.php?i=5&p=4

That kind of information is hardly something Microsoft nor any of their developers would tell you, now is it?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 87 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 01-Jul-2003 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Ray A. Akey):
But you never troll right? And what makes you think the guy commenting about !fleecy is a regular at #morphos? If you applied a little logic maybe you would come to the same conclusion as everyone else, that this guy either has just popped by once (maybe twice), or has read the same logs someone seems to have been gathering for Ben Hermans (and who knows who else), because anyone who's actually a regular would perhaps mention this in the channel, don't you think?

Incidentally there are other triggers too, for prominent figures in #morphos as well, all for entertainment, nothing sinister about it at all, but I guess some people just lack humour...

Also how come you still have not gotten over being asked to leave the channel? If it was such a heart-breaking experience, why didn't you say so when you were asked instead of spreading false rumours about you being kick-banned and whatnot. :P


- CISC
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 88 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Madgun68):
See comment #84.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 89 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alan Redhouse):
Then people tell me that I'm the one making up evil conspiracy theories... *sigh*

Could we have some moderation, please?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 90 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 01-Jul-2003 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Samface):
Sterling effort Samface! I wouldn't bother though lol It will just promote you to "Mike status" in peoples eyes.(only a joke Big M!;) Save your breath till you can point at the thing and show them.
Then the non-believing heathens will see the light and doubting Thomaseses will have veils shed from their minds......etc ;)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 91 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
I just hate when people say things like "I guess some people just lack humour" when pulling a malicious joke. Sure, I can have a laugh about others at times as well. However, telling the victim of a malicious joke that he is lacking a sense of humour is rather ignorant. If he is offended, then he is offended, period. Only an apology would be appropriate for such a case, otherwise you're acting like nothing but a jerk.

Didn't your mother teach you anything?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 92 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (KenH):
Well, sometimes I just can't help myself from wielding that big old Anti-FUD blade against the poor and malicious trolls deep down the dark alleys of the former glorious city of Amiga. Sure, it makes quite an awful mess, but atleast it will make this place much safer to pass through in the future. =)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 93 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 01-Jul-2003 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Samface):
>Oh no, not another "Amiga Inc is the devil" plotter... *sigh*

Can you please just answer the questions? (at least number 1 and 2)

1) Was the $50 deal a ticket to membership to the Amiga Club from day one or not?

2) Have Amiga Inc failed to deliver T-shirts to all the members of the Amiga Club as promised or not?

3) Do you still expect Amiga Inc. to deliver anything of what they have announced/promised? Personally, I find it very hard to believe, as they have proven over the years that they are dangerously incompetent or a bunch of evil criminals taking advantage of a sorry 'community'. And I'm sorry to say I'm pretty sure it's not the latter.

Thanks
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 94 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 21:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (darklite):
I gave you my answer already. I'm sorry if it doesn't suit your agenda but it is the appropriate answer to the given questions.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 95 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 01-Jul-2003 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Samface):
>I gave you my answer already. I'm sorry if it doesn't suit your agenda but it
>is the appropriate answer to the given questions.

No it isn't.
But don't worry, you've proven my point.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 96 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 01-Jul-2003 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Samface):
What malicious joke would that be exactly dear Samface?


- CISC
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 97 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
I don't know, I was merely pointing out the flaw with the "I guess some people just lack humour" argument.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 98 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (darklite):
Not only proven it, but also exposed it. Like I said, you are not interested in solving the issues, only using them as arguments for why Amiga Inc. would be either incompetent or "evil".
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 99 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Anonymous):
Interesting that Spamface refuses to answer this question.

I rather suspect the reason he refuses to answer is because to answer it either calls Eyetech liars, or else exposes the AInc coupon scam to be exactly that - a scam.

So which is it Spamface? Are Eyetech liars and the AmigaOne hass never existed, or are AInc and their coupon scam the liars as they have refused to honour the $50 discount on teh amigaOne (remember, AmigaOne OR AOS4 purchase would get a $50 refund, according to the coupon scam offering).
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 100 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Samface):
Some people here have very vivid imaginations, not to mention a penchant for immature and slanderous posts. Guess what? most of you are knuckle dragging primates. Yes, you are. Frenzy feeding, 'I am smarter than you', bragging, primates.

Samface, you are right. Q. Where is the moderation? A. Surely not here, as it was already bought, and paid for. Go ahead, cut this post, but Christian etc, you are a low form. You have the audacity to trade on the Amiga brand, and then do what you do? Should we be surprised that you sold out to Buck, who incidentally, does the same, but, has the bollocks to admit it? Pitiful.

Some of you should really take a good look at what you do and why. I suspect that a few of you are going to die very lonely men. More of you should just get over yourselves. You probably aint as smart as you think, and certainly less influential than your corner of the world.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Regrettably, however, most here are comprised of also-rans and losers. Keep your opinions to reality, not to your reality of the moment (regardless of whom has dictated that reality. Things have become so sloppy that I will not dignify, the lack of dignity in your pages. Good luck when you get yanked, Christian, you should have been a business man or a hobbyist, not a sheep. BAAA.
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