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[Web] Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9ANN.lu
Posted on 02-Jul-2003 22:03 GMT by ID4 -tHe SuRvIvOr -39 comments
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Under this link you can check to the status of the Sourceforge-project Java for Amiga OS 4 and 3.9 (JAmiga) and inform yourselves about other details. Under this link you can check to the status of the Sourceforge-project Java for Amiga OS 4 and 3.9 (JAmiga) and inform yourselves about other details.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 1 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jul-2003 20:19 GMT
Another dead project, I see.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 2 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 02-Jul-2003 20:37 GMT
why not give up on the whole java thing and just develop a really easy going language and toolkit so that everyone can make apps instead of complaining that there aren't enough ;)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 02-Jul-2003 20:52 GMT
Whats with Java anyway? It's NOT REALLY that revolutionary. Believe or not, a humanbeing can do without it. No it's really true. It didn't live up to its hype.
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Posted by Richi on 02-Jul-2003 21:18 GMT
Please go on!

Good luck!
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 5 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 02-Jul-2003 21:20 GMT
I se there already are some binary files out nice, are they working?
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 6 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jul-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Kjetil):
console-only java isn't exactly rocket science.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 7 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AND on 02-Jul-2003 22:19 GMT
This is a hobby project. It is NO port, but a native implementation of JRE 1.3.1 for AmigaOS. Its design goal is to map the java classes 1:1 to the C++ implementation. So it will be easy to implement AWT (or Swing) for AOS.
There are some interesting apps out there for Java, like edonkey clients and the likes. So I do not think the effort in creating a Java VM for AOS is pointless.

Maybe I should set up a poll, to ask if it is better to stop development on this (already dead?) project. So the community can decide if it makes sense:-(

Ok. This was only a joke. We will develop this baby regardless of what anybody thinks, because it is OUT baby ;-)

To all who think this development does not make sense:

Do better, or tell me what would make sense to develop for AOS?
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Posted by darklite on 02-Jul-2003 23:03 GMT
>Whats with Java anyway? It's NOT REALLY that revolutionary. Believe or not, a
>humanbeing can do without it. No it's really true. It didn't live up to its
>hype.

Seeing as Java is very popular in schools now, I think it can become very important in the future.
Change takes time.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 9 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by José on 03-Jul-2003 01:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (darklite):
Hey, I turned up satallite TV one of these days at 4am and it was passing a JAVA tutorial in a italian channel! And it's been going for more than a week now. Er... no I didn't see it:)
But I give all my support for this project. If nothing, it makes some pressure on AInc. that the developers want to continue to code AOS freely as they whish.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 10 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 03-Jul-2003 02:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (AND):
Hey, best of luck with it! ;)

One question, though- "Sun's JRE" seems to specifically refer to Sun's product of that name - or at least, they've had things called such in the past. Thus, I read "Sun's JRE 1.3.1 implementation for the Amiga Platform" as suggesting it's derived from the official JRE/JDK 1.3.1 sources, as those have been released under some restrictions to allow use with/community maintenance on Linux and *BSD. [It's been a while since I've looked at Sun's licenses or product lineup, so forgive me for being vague.]

If it's an independent reimplementation of the Java 1.3.1 spec(??), perhaps it would be better to phrase it as such?
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Posted by RAG on 03-Jul-2003 04:51 GMT
Keep up the good work! Java for AOS is really important (my opinion)...

And I can't really believe how some people can complain about someone starting a project to do something useful for AOS in there spare time!

Without such enthusiats AOS = Dead!
Without these "Your effort suck! Give it up... We don't need any appz for AOS! -people" AOS and its community would be a much better place...
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 12 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 03-Jul-2003 05:11 GMT
heh, looking at the version numbers it seems it will take a few years. Good luck thought =)
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 13 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 03-Jul-2003 05:58 GMT
Andre, a "simple" menus program would be easier to do than this Java beast. ;-)Anyway, good luck...
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 03-Jul-2003 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (José):
> Hey, I turned up satallite TV one of these days at 4am and it was passing a JAVA
> tutorial in a italian channel! And it's been going for more than a week now.
> Er... no I didn't see it:)

RAI Educational? Those are university lessons, for distance learning.
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 03-Jul-2003 06:21 GMT
I just want to do this once:

"No one uses Java anymore. It's all flash these days"

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Jul-2003 07:03 GMT
Actually I came up with one thing why Java would be nice to have on AOS/MOS: emulators.
I remember I used some Java Spectrum emulator a year ago or so.. worked pretty neatly ;-)
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 17 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Man on the moon on 03-Jul-2003 08:42 GMT
I tried jamiga with some of my early and easiest java examples (jamiga supports the very basic lang, io and util libraries only) recompiled with jikes on my miggy and they seem to work flawlessy... but if asked, I'd say that kaffe on the Amiga is the my favourite solution atm.
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 03-Jul-2003 08:55 GMT
I already got java on my phone, on my PDA, on my laptop and all my other machines, I have no need for java on the amigas - or rather, I have no need for the amigas. :)
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 19 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 03-Jul-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
(-1 redundant)
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 20 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 03-Jul-2003 09:56 GMT
How long should i wait till new release?
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 21 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-Jul-2003 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (RAG):
"Keep up the good work! Java for AOS is really important (my opinion)..."

It definitely is. Every other commercial OS out there has a version of Java. It is one of the major programming languages.

"And I can't really believe how some people can complain about someone starting a project to do something useful for AOS in there spare time!"

There are some miserable gits around who don't want to see _any_ Amiga-related project succeeding.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 22 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 03-Jul-2003 11:02 GMT
Wery GOOD !!!! I'm happy that there is project like this. Many of us who have seriously developed softwre for the mainstrea as a work don't ignore Java and do think Java is quite important these days. It's personal opinion then if you like Java or not, you can't ignore the fact that it's used more and more these days. Amiga needs Java. So I really this prohect can success.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 23 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jul-2003 11:14 GMT
once java is released, whats kind of apps or games do you expect ?
(exept p2p)
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 24 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 03-Jul-2003 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (miksuh):
I'm having to program in java just today.
My favorite is now C#
(although I have always a place in my heart for scripting languages like tcl/tk, and Rebol)

But...java is definately used on those big unix boxes and unix'ish oriented stuff like oracle.

doing an address cleanser client....no I'm not a professional developer, though
I seem to do enough of it.
java would be great for a desktop platform like amiga os or morphos for
the same reason its nice on Mac OS X....just occasionally you find a program
on the java platform never written for your fav. platform...like on Mac OS X
a couple years ago (beta version)...there were some freeware x servers, and terminal emulators that I needed..ran them in java...of course now, Mac OS X has more and more software, and you can find more and more native without the need for java.
but Amiga would get a great boost, and there are even java web browsers.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 25 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by spot on 03-Jul-2003 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (AND):
All thumbs up! Go! Java for the Amiga would be sweet!
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 26 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 03-Jul-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> once java is released, whats kind of apps or games do you expect ?
> (exept p2p)

Off the top of my head, Mindterm SSH is quite popular; someone on A.org mentioned Tomcat (not sure about 'production' use -- though on the other hand, why not? -- but it always helps to have standard tools available on your desktop of choice, for learning/development purposes); there certainly *are* useful applets on the web, like NASA's satellite tracker; Espial's Escape probably still compares favorably vs. the existing Amiga browsers; IBM have coughed up the Eclipse IDE, and apparently have an office suite of some form floating around in the Websphere product line (though it's hard to say if that's an applet, or something DHTML-based and completely server-side)...

Sure, it never lived up to its promise on the desktop (and seems mostly an excuse to sell more RAM for servers ;), while, like all crossplatform runtimes, allowing closed-source development to retain portability), but people do write some useful code in it. The best reason to have such would be for corporate cred -- if, say, timeclocking is handled through an applet at HyperUltraMegaCorp, they'll be a lot more comfortable purchasing a few boxes for their videography department or whatever if they can support the corporate standard.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 27 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Treke on 03-Jul-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (AND):
Good luck. Ambitious proj, keep it up, good job.
Any effort estimation ? (ie when it is available in beta ;) )
;)) Source files are starting to grow, maybe its good to divide to smaller pieces ( e.g java_lang.cpp etc.. ) ;)))

re

Treke
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 28 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 03-Jul-2003 16:07 GMT
Java for Amiga would be great.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 29 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by José on 03-Jul-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Fabio Alemagna):
Maybe don't remember.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 30 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AnonX on 03-Jul-2003 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (AND):
I vote its a waste of time, but whatever floats ya boat
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 31 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by JP on 04-Jul-2003 04:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Hi,

Java apps I know of:

Eclipse (IDE)
IntelliJ IDEA (IDE)
SAP Business Connector
SAP Business Connector Developer
IBM Websphere Integrator (former MQ Series Integrator)

These are the ones I use, and they work fine. And are reliable. Been running a production system with the last three for 1 1/2 years with no problems.

JP
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 32 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Sir RUSH on 04-Jul-2003 06:17 GMT
I think it's a Rockin' idea. I'd LOVE to see Java for Amiga 3.x,4.zero..

Please, continue development.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 33 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 04-Jul-2003 08:31 GMT
..as my new phone has Java I think i'm going to get more interested
in the whole Java thing.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 34 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 04-Jul-2003 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (alan buxey):
Java is mainly used these days for dynamic web page generation (sites that end in JSP or contain "Servlet" in their path), the backend work (communicating with mySQL to search for a book in an online store), or for little games on mobile phones. These are only a few uses of Java. I myself work for a company producing Time, Expense and Procurement web based solutions each of which use Java.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 35 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Frank213 on 04-Jul-2003 14:31 GMT
I hope these guys will keep working on this project as Java on the Amiga is a pretty nice idea. I hope I'll have time to try it out during the weekend.

Anyone who does not like a project, might as well not use the product or even better start their own I-really-think-that-the-amiga-needs-this project.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 36 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Paul H on 04-Jul-2003 18:55 GMT
Now this sounds like a step in the right direction, time to offer some help I think.
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 37 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by BrianHoskins on 06-Jul-2003 09:30 GMT
I raised an eyebrow at this JAVA project for the Amiga the other day, and even downloaded it - although I haven't got around to trying it yet, not really sure how tbh.

Anyway, please tell us more about this project. I use my Amiga as my main computer and since there is no JAVA solution on the Amiga I've never had chance to get into it before. I can see the advantage with it because it means you can run all the nice JAVA based applications and stuff - very useful, but does it also help with Internet based stuff?
For example there may be chatrooms or whatever that require JAVA, and normally if you visit them with an Amiga Browser you get a complaint that the Browser isn't compatable. If you were able to run JAVA applications on the Amiga, then would it solve these compatability issues as well or is that a completely seperate thing?

Good luck with the project - I'll point my Browser in it's general direction every so often to see how it's coming along.

Brian
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 38 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 06-Jul-2003 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Richi):
Richi wrote:
[Quote]How long should i wait till new release?[/Quote]
Independence Day they made the newest release :o)

pre-alpha 0.0.0.0.0.4 :o)

http://sourceforge.net/projects/jamiga
Java For AmigaOS4 and 3.9 : Comment 39 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 07-Jul-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Thanks! ;-)
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