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Posted on 06-Jul-2003 14:54 GMT by Mike Bouma111 comments
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Within the Fleecy's 14th Q&A Session, default OS4 support for twenty languages have been confirmed. Support for more languages may be added.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 1 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Jul-2003 13:09 GMT
Oh my, bring this dead horse out for another beating? I think everyone who actually cares anymore about Amiga Inc knows where to go for preachings of Fleecy.

Dammy
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 2 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 06-Jul-2003 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
@ Dammy

Why not do what grown up people do? Like ignoring news which is of no interest to you, instead of your repetitive trolling. :-)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 3 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Remco komduur on 06-Jul-2003 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mike Bouma):
Unfortunately all that is left of the Amiga community is a bunch of immature whinners that are in selfdestruct mode.

They think that kicking to every thing that has even remotely to do with Amiga Inc. is a sane thing to do. Unfortenetly they are too stupid to see that they only push people away to the PC.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 4 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Jul-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mike Bouma):
> Why not do what grown up people do? Like ignoring news which is of no interest > to you, instead of your repetitive trolling. :-)

Because:

1. This isn't news.
2. This is propaganda.
3. This is advertising AmigaIncWorld site.
4. If you were really honest, you would PAYING for advertising space. But why pay for advertising when you can abuse ANN, right?

Dammy
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 5 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (dammy):
Not news?!

Well I didn't know OS4 had support for those 20 specific languages!

I guess you did tho, right?

Ian
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 6 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 06-Jul-2003 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
Hey Dummy!

It's not about Fleecy, it's about OS4. Sorry. You don't have to click if you dont' want to.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 7 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 13:42 GMT
OS4 support for twenty languages have been confirmed.

Cool i did not know that and that is NEWS to me.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 8 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Jul-2003 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I'm fixing lunch, does that mean it's news? It's a fact, it's recent, but sadly it's not news. All this is, is just routine Q/A with Fleecy who is fed a steady diet of fluff questions. It's a routine article. It's not news. Now there maybe a rough jem that is accidently spoken that maybe news worthy, but after now 14 Q&A's, how the hell can a routine Q&A be "News?"

Dammy
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 9 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (dammy):
Its not about the Q&A its about Aos4 features.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 10 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 06-Jul-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (dammy):
I see, so you don't care about the content of the Q&A's, but the fact that they're connected to fleecy and Amigaworld.net mean you're going to slag them off anyway?

Dammy, you are a pathetic specimen. If you haven't got anything constructive to say, then don't say anything at all. I'm sure we'd hear from you a lot less then.

Ian
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 11 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Drooooooooooooooooooool
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 12 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 06-Jul-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (dammy):
Perhaps you noticed that the main thing here isn't that it is a Q&A, but which languages will be supported by OS4. That's interesting to alot of people. The old way of submitting that "there's a new Q&A up" was critized, and now it has changed to point out highlights within the Q&A instead, which was what everyone wanted. I for one find this interesting, and it seems that alot more people do so. You just seem to repeat the same old argument over and over, without adding any value to it - while the Q&A and it's submission process has changed.

If you have anything CONSTRUCTIVE to add, please do - if it's the same old crap you always spew out, don't bother. Most people are already tired of your thoughts on this matter.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 13 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Jul-2003 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (dammy):
If an item in the Q&A is new (rather than the session itself) then that is indeed 'news'.

Sam
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 14 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Jul-2003 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (dammy):
How is this any different to any other company posting news on Ann?

Sam
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 15 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 06-Jul-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (dammy):
Am I the only one who's....



.......Tired of Dammy's constant whining and trolling?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 16 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Jul-2003 14:16 GMT
Here's some questions: I'd submit them, but they wouldn't even be dignified with the kind of reply that number 9 got. These questions have never been answered.

1. Does Amiga Inc exist? And if so, is there any proof?
2. Who is CEO of Amiga Inc, and is there any proof?
3. Does "Fleecy" work for Amiga Inc?
4. Is "Fleecy" in a position to talk about Amiga Inc's plans?
5. If Amiga Inc does exist, is it in any position to deliver any of "Fleecy"'s plans?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 17 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 06-Jul-2003 14:17 GMT
Has anyone considered reading it?

#7 is certainly newsworthy; #5 is interesting; #4 hints that logic stands some small chance of being applied to a long-standing complaint. Everyone's already mentioned #6.

Best Q&A to date?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 18 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 06-Jul-2003 14:25 GMT
Amiga always had good connection with ATO. Will it be news, that it will have support for amiga icons? Will be able to display text files via multiview? Will be able to partition and format hard drives? Display windows?

Unbelieveable... :) Sometimes I'm glad that... Never mind.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 19 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Jul-2003 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (smithy):
>These questions have never been answered.

Well they have been answered.. but usually with a reply like "of course it does", but when proof is asked for people just start yelling indignantly. We don't need any of that here. If the answer to any of my questions is actually yes, then why would it be so difficult to provide some proof?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 20 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 06-Jul-2003 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Emeric SH):
It's not that Locale somehow would not work with OS4. The point is that new translations are done, and that at least 20 languages are supported.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 21 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Me on 06-Jul-2003 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (dammy):
From the look of it this still hasn't been categorised as news yet. That's up to Christian and the other moderators. But it is a very interesting piece of info none the less.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 22 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 06-Jul-2003 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
Please Dammy, this is completely immature. (even if you don't like AInc or OS4 you don't have to do that)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 23 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Jul-2003 14:58 GMT
It's all good it has support for 20 different languages for people who can't understand perfect english, but at least the finnish Windows's have so many bad translations and spelling errors it makes it more humorous than helping :)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 24 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 06-Jul-2003 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (hooligan/dcs):
The funniest cases are ones that mix different languages etc...

But believe me, try to translate English->Finnish and you have a lot of problems. The Finnish words lack something or just feel "more stupid" :)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 25 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jul-2003 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
"Oh my, bring this dead horse out for another beating? I think everyone who actually cares anymore about Amiga Inc knows where to go for preachings of Fleecy."

While the early sessions were mainly evasive and fluffy, the answers are now getting much more relevant and interesting. He is starting to deal with actual technical questions and the answers are of interest.

The first one is hard to understand, but the one about languages is real new information.

It did cross my mind that fleecy might be passing some of the questions over to Hyperion for definitive answers.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 26 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 06-Jul-2003 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Troels Ersking):
HeHe, a guy named 'Troels' making a comment about 'trolls'

:-)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 27 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jul-2003 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (smithy):
"5. If Amiga Inc does exist, is it in any position to deliver any of "Fleecy"'s plans?"

Even with no money, fleecy can coordinate and persuade. A great deal of the OS4 effort is voluntary or semi-voluntary.

In the case of languages, for example, I'm sure that fleecy can send out emails to all the right people, and get the catalog translation going. It doesn't need a big budget.

A version of Tao's software for AmigaOS, OTOH, would cost real money to develop.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 28 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jul-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (hooligan/dcs):
"It's all good it has support for 20 different languages for people who can't understand perfect english, but at least the finnish Windows's have so many bad translations and spelling errors it makes it more humorous than helping :)"

If there's a mistake in an Amiga translation, at least it will be easy to change it. You would only have to post an updated catalog to Aminet.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 29 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 06-Jul-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (smithy):
1. Does Amiga Inc exist? And if so, is there any proof?
Its incorporated. Go look it up in the state of washington. Or you could buy the business license.

2. Who is CEO of Amiga Inc, and is there any proof?
It has been asked before, the answer is Bill McEwen, if you want proof other than what is provided in the Q+A then go hire Rich Woods.

3. Does "Fleecy" work for Amiga Inc?
He claims a job title.

4. Is "Fleecy" in a position to talk about Amiga Inc's plans?
See #3

5. If Amiga Inc does exist, is it in any position to deliver any of "Fleecy"'s plans?
What does it matter to you, honestly? I have never seen you do anything other
than slag off Amiga Inc, claim you have no interest in them or AOS4 so unless you have a pressing need to monitor what they are doing day by day then just walk away and if they come out with anything that interests you, do the whole consumer thing and invest in it. If not, then it hasn't hurt you has it?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 30 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jul-2003 18:56 GMT
How is support for 20 languages news? I expect it to support lots of languages since AmigaOS 3.1 supported loads (I forget how many) via the excelent locale library system.

News would be that it didn't support 20 languages, and was never going to support more than just American English. News would be "On schedule and Rockin'" and mean it :-)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 31 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jul-2003 19:05 GMT
I rather like the answer to Question 9 which shows that Fleecy is actually a very intlegent guy and is subtly telling Billsey that he's an idiot for asking a stupid question :-)

I like that :-)))
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 32 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 06-Jul-2003 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Matt Parsons):
They have to do new translations for OS4. Did you know that they were going to do that? If not, this is news too you.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 33 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Pop sensation on 06-Jul-2003 19:13 GMT
This is not news, any new OS includes loads of different languages so this is no different apart from the blatent advertising of Amiga Incs worship site.

As for Amiga Inc, they are a dead company which keep getting brought back to life by worshippers who can not handle the truth.

Everything is on schedule and rocking and the year is 2001.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 34 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jul-2003 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (LinusG):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They have to do new translations for OS4. Did you know that they were going to do that? If not, this is news too you.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

New traslation or not, as I expected such a wide language support it's not news... I've given examples of news :-)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 35 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Pop sensation):
Good, good, now go and put cream on that hemorroid you mistakenly believe is your brain ;)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 36 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Paul H on 06-Jul-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Matt Parsons):
Good to see that the OS4 bullet API now allows 32bit unicode.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 37 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jul-2003 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Paul H):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good to see that the OS4 bullet API now allows 32bit unicode.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Fair point, that's news... but as I said this is really stuff that one would expect from a modern OS... News is stuff that we didn't know and didn't expect!!
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 38 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 06-Jul-2003 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Jon):
Finnish translations for OS2.1/3.0/3.1 were rather good. But really, AOS supported localization since 2.1... Nothing new there.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 39 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Pop sensation):
Paul Gadd by any chance?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 40 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 06-Jul-2003 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (itix):
> But really, AOS supported localization since 2.1... Nothing new there.

The news isn't "AmigaOS4 supports localization", but AmigaOS supports Twenty languages, namely: For example people can check if their language is already supported and if not they can contribute to make this a reality if they are really competent and interested. :)

Regardless, my compliments goes to the AmigaOS4 translation teams! I understand that it was a huge task. Twenty languages supported (by default) is IMO already a very honourable achievement.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 41 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 06-Jul-2003 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Mike Bouma):
What good is language support is you won't buy into a curse?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 42 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 06-Jul-2003 20:08 GMT
Great work.
Well done to Fleecy and all the others involved in the development of Amiga OS4. I can't wait to see it on the shelves and claim my $50 discount.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 43 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Jul-2003 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (DaveP):
There's no need to sound so indignant, I was simply asking unanswered, yet reasonable questions. From your post it looks like you've replied for the sake of replying, not because you know the answers, because you haven't said anything meaningful, or answered any of my questions.

>What does it matter to you, honestly? I have never seen you do anything other
>than slag off Amiga Inc

It matters to me because I just want to know, and the more people ask, the more silence and attacks there are. There is obviously something going on.

Occasionally I am critical of Amiga Inc. But I don't think I have been that today. I've asked 5 simple questions. If I asked them about Sun or IBM or Nintendo, would their apologists have taken offence or deemed it as an attack, as you have?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 44 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jul-2003 20:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (smithy):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Occasionally I am critical of Amiga Inc. But I don't think I have been that today. I've asked 5 simple questions. If I asked them about Sun or IBM or Nintendo, would their apologists have taken offence or deemed it as an attack, as you have?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If you had asked that about Sun, IBM or Nintendo, you would have got 5 simple answers that were easy to prove and made sense.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 45 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (smithy):
smithy:

1. Does IBM exist? And if so, is there any proof?
2. Who is CEO of IBM, and is there any proof?
3. Does "Dr. Paul M. Horn" work for IBM?
4. Is "Dr. Paul M. Horn" in a position to talk about IBM's plans?
5. If IBM does exist, is it in any position to deliver any of "Dr. Paul M. Horn"'s plans?

IBM: Go away you clearly insane induhvidual!
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 46 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 20:36 GMT
This is typical of amiga.incWorld zealotzine.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 47 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 06-Jul-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
I didn't really notice before you pointed it out. The the bit about
blind worship does sound familier. It's either him or he's got a
secret admirer.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 48 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 06-Jul-2003 20:42 GMT
Well, credit where work has been achieved. OS4 looks like it's going to be a really comprehensive update/reamp. My spider senses are sarting to get excited! :)

Oh and dammy, you ought to start buying better ingredients for your lunch. If you'd had a cavier and oyster sandwich, I'd want to know about it!!! 8) Just keep saying to yourself "My activities can be newsworthy" and you'll be there in no time.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 49 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 06-Jul-2003 21:03 GMT
One thing I find quite intriguing is that loads of people say Amiga
Inc is dead.

There has been no official news on the subject, no filing for
bankruptcy etc. Amiga Inc's site still gets updated with CAM, fleecy
still answers his questions on amigaworld.
There has been nothing from developers such as Zeoneo, who have closer
ties with Amiga Inc, about their dismay that Ainc has gone bust and
can no longer supply the DE which most of their products rely on.

I mean if they had really gone down the pan why would they be trying
to create some huge sharade to hide the truth. Why not just go
through the normal procedures and make it public, if they had no money
to acheive they goals and lost their financeer's backing, what would
be the point of trying to look buoyent.





While we are on the subject of Questions, here's a few of mine some
you should ask yourself.

1. Just who are the blind followers?

2. Who is it they follow?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 50 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jul-2003 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Rob):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
1. Just who are the blind followers?

2. Who is it they follow?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You left that one open a bit! :-)

1. Those who will believe with out proof
2. Amiga Inc. (?) :-D
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