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Posted on 06-Jul-2003 14:54 GMT by Mike Bouma111 comments
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Within the Fleecy's 14th Q&A Session, default OS4 support for twenty languages have been confirmed. Support for more languages may be added.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 51 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jul-2003 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Matt Parsons):
And pls show us the users who say that they beleave amiga.inc ?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 52 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 06-Jul-2003 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
AmigaIncWorld.Zealotzine?

lmao.....I can never remember what AmigaFreek.OrgWorld is called either, but I thought yours was kind of cute....there should be a contest sometime.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 53 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Dammy's boyfriend on 06-Jul-2003 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
>Oh my, bring this dead horse out for another beating? I think everyone who >actually cares anymore about Amiga Inc knows where to go for preachings of >Fleecy.

>Dammy

Ignore the news item then....Gee you guys are trying SOOO hard to diss the "Amiga" that your scaring off potential Pegasos users such as myself...I've kept a pretty open mind up till now, but I'll be buggered if I'm gonna support a bitchy community like yours. It's pretty apparent that whenever something is posted that is pro OS4/A1 all the Pegasos users come out in droves to shoot it down, or bring up BS. It's almost as if its a call to arms by the guy at the top - shame, your doing your little platform a diservice....

Oh well, your loss.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 54 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Jul-2003 23:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Dammy's boyfriend):
I don't think Dammy is Pro Pegasos/MorphOS.
I think Dammy is anti anything related to AmigaInc.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 55 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Jul-2003 23:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Christophe Decanini):
Yeah, that would be fairly accurate. I really have nothing against OS4 and if Ben would have been a nice cheery developer on here, instead of being himself, I may have given thought to buying it. Of course Eyetech's prices would have bitch slap me back into reality. ;-)

Dammy
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 56 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Dammy's REAL boyfriend on 07-Jul-2003 00:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Dammy's boyfriend):
> Dammy's boyfriend (203.51.64.7)

That message was written by an imposter! I am the real boyfriend.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 57 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Jul-2003 01:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Dammy's boyfriend):
> It's almost as if its a call to arms by the guy at the top

This is a fiction enjoyed by certain fans. As Christophe said, Dammy's not big on Pegasos, either, which you'd know if you were paying attention. But getting in a dig was apparently more important to you than getting the facts straight. As you demonstrate, the danger of posting nonsense based on goofy preconceptions works both ways.

-- gary_c
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 58 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 07-Jul-2003 01:27 GMT
Am I the only one who has noticed it's not called AOS4 any more but OS4.

Amiga is not producing an OS. or at least not one called os4
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 59 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 01:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (3seas):
"Am I the only one who has noticed it's not called AOS4 any more but OS4."

Yes
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 60 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 02:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (dammy):
"I really have nothing against OS4 and if Ben would have been a nice cheery developer on here, instead of being himself, I may have given thought to buying it. Of course Eyetech's prices would have bitch slap me back into reality. ;-)"

Being a long time lurker in this forum (and to lazy to come up with a nick), I've quite often been pissed off by your seemingly stupid remarks, but sometimes you do have a point, but we all would benefit if you managed to put your point forwards without inviting to a flamefest.
Anyways, your remarks about Eyetech's pricing of the A1 made me think:
The A1 and Peggy are quite similar, so why the big difference in pricing? If, and this is only speculating, the difference is mainly due to Ainc's licensing fee then they've really shot theirselves in the leg. I can't see why any other company would want to have OS4 (yes, that's AOS4 3seas ;) if it meant such a huge increase of the price (higher price -> less units sold). And that would hurt Hyperion (the *real* AmigaInc IMO) since OS4 then wouldn't spread as wide as it has the potential to.
This is just me rambling about. I'd like to hear if anybody knows anything of the licencing policy or if it's under NDA.
It'll however be interesting to watch the pricing of Peggy2 if Bill gets a license from the other Bill.

About your remarks about Ben. He may come thru as a bit harsh here at ann.lu, especially when answering people he belives is spreading FUD, but I had the pleasure of hearing (and seeing) him in Sweden, and that was really a pleasant surprise. He was funny and very extrovert and make a really good and serious impression. The old rule of life applies. Treat people with respect and you'll be respected in return.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 61 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 07-Jul-2003 03:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?amigaos

Feel free to sign, many people feel the same way.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 62 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 07-Jul-2003 04:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (DaveP):
Hi DaveP,

The level of concern for AOS4.0/G4XE from members of the public who aren't going to actually buy the product seems astonishingly high??? No?

AmigaOne! Thanks for the attention and worrying for my path of endeavour.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 63 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 04:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (smithy):
I don't consider it an attack Smithy, I just consider it a boring waste of time. It seems to me that certain rabidly anti-Amiga Inc continually ask the same mantra of questions, although you saved yourself by not harping on about t-shirts.

If you had asked this catalogue of questions on any technical forum user site to which you had frequented long enough to know better you would have got the same kind of curt response.

If you really wanted to ask those questions you would have registered on AmigaWorld.net ( or even read through the back catalogue of Q+A to find out which ones have already been asked and, err some have ) and put them yourself.

However, given you question the veracity of the answerer ( Fleecy ) then you need to put those questions to someone whom you actually believe otherwise you are just wasting time and bandwidth.

See the scenario:

Smithy> Are you the CTO of Amiga Inc.
Fleecy> Yes.
Smithy> You would say that, I don't believe you, are you the CTO of Amiga Inc.
Fleecy> Yes!
Smithy> You would say that, I don't believe you, are you the CTO of Amiga Inc.
Fleecy> Yes!
Smithy> You would say that, I don't believe you, are you the CTO of Amiga Inc.
Fleecy> Yes!
Smithy> You would say that, I don't believe you, are you the CTO of Amiga Inc.
Fleecy> Oh f**k off
Smithy> Look everyone, he told me to f**k off!

So find someone whom you trust, go fire the questions at them, get the answers from them.

Or would you rather get into that loop above?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 64 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
>This is typical of amiga.incWorld zealotzine.

Who are they? Or do you mean AmigaWorld.net - yes it is typical of them to post bi weekly Q+A with Fleecy Moss .... and?

Ah, I see, you are that same person who spams lots of Amiga related fora resorting to juvenile baby-speak contortions of the web address as a drop in replacement for the wit you lack.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 65 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Matt Parsons):
"1. Those who will believe with out proof, 2. Amiga Inc. (?) :-D"

Oh is that Matt "No AROS developers slag off Amiga Inc or get involved in politics" Parsons?

Wow that was a mighty flimsy velvet glove you wore that day.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 66 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Matt Parsons):
"If you had asked that about Sun, IBM or Nintendo, you would have got 5 simple answers that were easy to prove and made sense."

Yes, the world is as Matt Parsons sayes it is. I'm amazed, the answers I gave were too complex for you?

I'll use smaller words next time.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 67 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Jul-2003 05:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (DaveP):
> So find someone whom you trust, go fire the questions at them, get the answers from them.

Well, that's the problem, isn't it? To put it diplomatically, there has been so much spin-doctoring coming out of Amiga, Inc. that it's hard to accept anything at face value. People have made statements that may have been technically correct but, after watching more information come to light, the statements were clearly misleading if not outright contradictory to the facts. "On schedule and rocking," "just getting rid of old furniture," etc., etc. So the deep skepticism people have these days is very understandable.

-- gary_c
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 68 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Rob):
@Rob

No no no! Proof by contradiction is no proof at all!

"One thing I find quite intriguing is that loads of people say Amiga
Inc is dead.

There has been no official news on the subject, no filing for
bankruptcy etc. Amiga Inc's site still gets updated with CAM, fleecy
still answers his questions on amigaworld. " ( and claims to be CTO in his emails and on the site )

NO NO NO!

This is not evidence, this is not proof!

"There has been nothing from developers such as Zeoneo, who have closer
ties with Amiga Inc, about their dismay that Ainc has gone bust and
can no longer supply the DE which most of their products rely on. "

Tsk, how dare you. This is not evidence, they are clearly in the pockets of the Washington state facists.

"I mean if they had really gone down the pan why would they be trying
to create some huge sharade to hide the truth."

Oh, they would dare anything, they are the puppet masters. They even keep Isreal and the PLO at odds with each other to keep the oil supplies under threat so the US military has a reason to be there!

" Why not just go through the normal procedures and make it public"

This would be automatic. It would go public, Rich Woods would become a millionaire overnight with certain AROS developers, MorphOS developers and the usual loonies paying to download a document that they hadn't dared hope for even in their wettest wet dreams.

", if they had no money
to acheive they goals and lost their financeer's backing, what would
be the point of trying to look buoyent. "

Its a SCAM! Thats all you need to know, its to keep all those CA members waiting for their t-shirts!


"1. Just who are the blind followers? "
Ones who can't get across the road without a labrador and a stick.

"2. Who is it they follow? "
Said labrador.

However what we do have here is a lot of people that otherwise pretend to be intelligent deliberately trying to wind things up by posting off topic flamebait and then acting dumb. Or they really are that pig ignorant and obnoxious and cannot handle anything that does not run parallel with what they want to believe is the truth.

Oh hang on, was that who you were asking your questions about?

What would be newsworthy is if they gave it a rest for a bit, but that is far too much to ask.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 69 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (gary_c):
@Gary

Exactly. So why on earth say "I'd put these questions if it were me" if you don't want to listen with equanimity to the answers the person is giving?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 70 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (DaveP):
( PS the last paragraph and few lines are actually my tone, the rest of it is
a play on the way such topics have been dealt with in this thread )
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 71 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (dammy):
"Yeah, that would be fairly accurate. I really have nothing against OS4 and if Ben would have been a nice cheery developer on here, instead of being himself, I may have given thought to buying it. "

Ben always seems quite nice and cheery to me, especially considering the bizarre hostility to the OS4 project that is so common here.

If it wasn't for Ben there would be no OS4. All the team have been working hard, but Ben got the project going after the H&P debacle and has coordinated the whole thing.

As for "giving thought to buying it" - do you have an A4000 with PPC that it will run on? I take it you would refuse to buy a motherboard from Eyetech.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 72 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
"The A1 and Peggy are quite similar, so why the big difference in pricing?"

The $299 price was a special for developers and I suspect is at or below cost. Genesi has some capital to sink into launching its platform, while Eyetech probably has to make a profit on every board sold.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 73 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jul-2003 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (LinusG):
"They have to do new translations for OS4. Did you know that they were going to do that? If not, this is news too you."

The news would be if they'd cut communication with ATO. I took it granted that ATO will make the required translations for OS4. If however, it's not ATO behind the translations, that is news.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 74 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 07-Jul-2003 06:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
LOL !

nice insult !
can I nick it ?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 75 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 07-Jul-2003 06:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Emeric SH):
It's ATO. I think they got some new member during the project.

I think it's nice ATO still exist!
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 76 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 07-Jul-2003 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Christophe Decanini):
Dammy is an idiot and thats about it.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 77 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 07-Jul-2003 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Ketzer):
Feel free to remove that comment but it must have been said.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 78 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 07-Jul-2003 06:36 GMT
In some extenct I have to agree with dammy's original point of view which was that this q&a session is more an amiga inc. free advertizing than anything.

Sure there are/were some interesting things to learn about os4 from some of the answers in these q&a sessions but one really has to ask themselves why in the heavens sake is Fleecy Moss answering these questions instead of the people whose product os4 actually is.

I find it a bit strange that a company that hasn't coded a single line of code for os4 and is not developing the product, gets to answer very technical questions about it. Has anyone tried to approach someone from the Hyperion team to do these q&a's? It's their product and I'm sure they wouldn't mind free
advertizing along with customer support that builds up customer&company trust and releationship.

At the moment it's a bit like asking questions from Bill Buck regarding os4 or something. (well that's an exaggeration to put it mildly) Anyway I have to doubt that Fleecy really has a depth of knowledge of this kind about the internals of os4 that he exhibits in these q&a's which leads me to conclusion that everytime he is asked something he fires an email to hyperion with the question and then receives an answer which he can then put forward as it was him knowing them all.

I dont know if that's the case happening here, but I have a doubt since of all the things that have been going on with AI. However if that IS the case. Wouldn't it be better to aske the questions from someone who actually knows the answers (ie. Ben Hermans or something) instead of taking a q&a detour and thus giving credit to people who might not have much to do with the product at hand.

It's hyperion creating os4 afterall and the credit should go 99% to the os4 team and 1%to AI for licencing the product to hyperion.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 79 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (gz):
Its more like asking Bill Buck to answer questions on MorphOS. He will go and ask the people involved for an answer and act as their mouthpiece.

The Q+A is not specifically for OS4 btw.

Regards

Dave.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 80 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 07-Jul-2003 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (DaveP):
>>Its more like asking Bill Buck to answer questions on MorphOS. He will go and ask the people involved for an answer and act as their mouthpiece.

Touche' You have a good point here :)

>>The Q+A is not specifically for OS4 btw.

Then I must apologise for my ignorance since this is something I didn't know.

I based my conclusion to the fact that 90% of the questions have been about os4 and therefore deducted that the q&a was about os4.

Anyway thx for putting me straight. :)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 81 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 07-Jul-2003 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (gz):
>>Its more like asking Bill Buck to answer questions on MorphOS. He will go and ask the people involved for an answer and act as their mouthpiece.

However I have to beg to differ slightly because genesi and the team creating mos is a single business entity unlike Hyperion and AI which are different business entities alltogether. If Hyperion was part of AI then it would be different. :)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 82 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (gz):
So did you object when Bill Buck fronted for the organisation when it was Thendic, Bplan and MorphOS as seperate entities in one business deal?

They are business partners in the same venture, they have decided amongst themselves to allow Fleecy to be *one* mouthpiece for technical items on AOS4 when asked on that Q+A, I don't have a problem with that.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 83 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 07-Jul-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveP):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"1. Those who will believe with out proof, 2. Amiga Inc. (?) :-D"

Oh is that Matt "No AROS developers slag off Amiga Inc or get involved in politics" Parsons?

Wow that was a mighty flimsy velvet glove you wore that day.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You might remember that I said I would never critisize Hyperion, Eyetech or AOS4 (or Genesi and MOS for that matter)... Amiga Inc. on the other hand are a waste of time and I have no problem with saying that.

I have no interest inpolotics but I do have an interest in watching a platform that I grew up with being draged through the mud by an incompetant management that have consistantly made bad decisions and appear to have lied on several occations.

No your answers were not too complex but were hard to give any real meaning to. I am the registered director of a Private limited company... that doesn't actually make me particuarly special... my company is currently dormant... but I can call my self anything I like as a job title... just as long at the other directors agree.

Now Officlaly the CEO :-)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 84 of 111ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 50 (Matt Parsons):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: insult
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 85 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 07-Jul-2003 09:57 GMT
Well, I think it's ok to post updates sometimes.
Whether there is some advertising value or
"it's not really news" isn't a big issue. As
long as the service is not abused in doing so.
(which is up to the moderators and christian kemp)

It does seem kind of odd to highlight one response
in particular from the Q&A session though, instead
of just mentioning that the next one is up.

I wonder if each "confirmed" feature from the list
will be posted as a seperate news item? ;)
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 86 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 07-Jul-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (DaveP):
> However, given you question the veracity of the answerer ( Fleecy ) then you
> need to put those questions to someone whom you actually believe otherwise you > are just wasting time and bandwidth.

So just who in Amiga Inc do you trust to tell the truth? Here is your "BIG!" chance in publically supporting the senior red trolls. Tell us who and why do you trust in Amiga Inc to tell you the flat truth?

Dammy
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 87 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 07-Jul-2003 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Don Cox):
> "Yeah, that would be fairly accurate. I really have nothing against OS4 and if > Ben would have been a nice cheery developer on here, instead of being himself, > I may have given thought to buying it. "
>
> Ben always seems quite nice and cheery to me, especially considering the
> bizarre hostility to the OS4 project that is so common here.

After seeing his FUDing of MOS being illegal, then his obvious distain for Americans with his illiterate American comments, OS4 by Xmas 2002, and other elitist comments, there is no way I'd allow a single penny of mine to go to him in royality proceeds.

> If it wasn't for Ben there would be no OS4. All the team have been working
> hard, but Ben got the project going after the H&P debacle and has coordinated > the whole thing.

And if it wasn't Ben "I'm important" H., MOS would have been AOS4 and the Amiga Community wouldn't have been wasting alot of time in these brush wars.

> As for "giving thought to buying it" - do you have an A4000 with PPC that it
> will run on? I take it you would refuse to buy a motherboard from Eyetech.

Actually Don, I said, " Of course Eyetech's prices would have bitch slap me back into reality. ;-) " which you conviently left off. If I was really impressed with OS4, I would have to go the route that I always went with Amiga computers, buy second hand. But, that's not going to happen in my case since I have no interest in financially supporting Ben.

Dammy
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 88 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (dammy):
@Dammy

Oh thats right, of course, its like football hooliganism.

Whom I trust and don't trust is not the issue, whom Smithy trusts is, after all he is the one seeking answers.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 89 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 07-Jul-2003 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (dammy):
so, ben hurt your feelings when he (your words) was FUDing against mos ?
real shocking, consult your therapist and STFU.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 90 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (dammy):
"After seeing his FUDing of MOS being illegal, then his obvious disdain for Americans with his illiterate American comments, OS4 by Xmas 2002, and other elitist comments, there is no way I'd allow a single penny of mine to go to him in royality proceeds."

I think elitism is a good thing. You are at least as elitist as Ben, which is OK in my opinion.

"And if it wasn't Ben "I'm important" H., MOS would have been AOS4 and the Amiga Community wouldn't have been wasting alot of time in these brush wars."

IMO the problem came from fleecy and Ralph both wanting complete control over the OS, not from Ben at all. However, as it has turned out, I think the fork between AOS4 and MorphOS will lead to productive competition, and apart from the red-and-blue games (which are mostly harmless name-calling) is rather a good thing.

It hasn't done Unix any harm to have various versions around.



"Actually Don, I said, " Of course Eyetech's prices would have bitch slap me back into reality. ;-) " which you conviently left off. If I was really impressed with OS4, I would have to go the route that I always went with Amiga computers, buy second hand. But, that's not going to happen in my case since I have no interest in financially supporting Ben."

Maybe Ben would give the 50 cents or whaever he will get from each sale to charity, to allow you to buy it.

I can't comment on the first part as I don't understand the expession "bitch slap".
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 91 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 07-Jul-2003 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Matt Parsons):
Well, there is no proof of YOUR existence either, so why should anyone listen to you?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 92 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 07-Jul-2003 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (dammy):
When Ben Hermans told you about the legal uncertainties (which are still uncertainties, mind you) about MorphOS, you had already made up your mind, hadn't you? I mean, why would you otherwise not consider the words from a professional lawyer objectively?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 93 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 07-Jul-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Don Cox):
I disagree that this OS war would do anything good to this community. I say learn from history. Thanks to the H&P vs Phase5 war, I still as of today as an AmigaPPC user have to dualboot the same OS in order to run different AmigaPPC applications. Tell me, what good did this war do?

Considering the effects of that war, the effects of this war will be even worse; we will have to own to different computers with two different operating systems in order to run all Amiga PPC software, cost us even more, cause much more inconvinience, and probably scare off the few Amigans left, which will lead to the final and definite death of Amiga.

Competition is good, but having something to compete before competing is even better. The Amiga market's current situation is not solid enough for competition. The Amiga market needs to be rebuilt from scratch rather than this pathetic fight for bread crumbs. There are few things about the Amiga market that I'm certain of right now, but this is one of those things. By the time the rest of the community realizes this, it will all be too late.

Happy trolling, Dammy et all.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 94 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (samface):
"Competition is good, but having something to compete before competing is even better. The Amiga market's current situation is not solid enough for competition. The Amiga market needs to be rebuilt from scratch rather than this pathetic fight for bread crumbs. There are few things about the Amiga market that I'm certain of right now, but this is one of those things. By the time the rest of the community realizes this, it will all be too late."

So which OS project do you think should be abandoned? Presumably the one that is furthest from being finished?
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 95 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 07-Jul-2003 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (DaveP):
Problem is, your not in a position to give an *answer*, your just speculating, you have no idea about the internals of Amiga Inc., anymore then the other posters. In fact dammy doesn't know either, but his speculations have been far more accurate, then your defenses of Amiga Inc.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 96 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 07-Jul-2003 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (DaveP):
>I just consider it a boring waste of
>time.

Obviously it's a sore point with you.. I would just ignore boring waste of times, rather than get very defensive about them.

>It seems to me that certain rabidly anti-Amiga Inc continually ask the
>same mantra of questions,

This mantra of questions have never been answered. If they had been, the same questions wouldn't have to be re-asked. Perhaps you should be complaining about the silence from a certain party over these issues, instead of following the classic troll tactic : questioning the right to debate something, rather than debating it to distract from a topic the troll finds inconvenient. We don't any trolls here.

>although you saved yourself by not harping on about
>t-shirts.

Well this question has been answered... "real soon now", was it?

>If you had asked this catalogue of questions on any technical forum user site
>to which you had frequented long enough to know better you would have got the
>same kind of curt response.

Of course I would, but this isn't a technical forum. I've asked a reasonable set of questions and you are questioning my right to ask them. Could it be you fear the truth?

>If you really wanted to ask those questions you would have registered on
>AmigaWorld.net ( or even read through the back catalogue of Q+A to find out
>which ones have already been asked and, err some have ) and put them yourself.

No questions of any substance have been answered.

>However, given you question the veracity of the answerer ( Fleecy ) then you
>need to put those questions to someone whom you actually believe otherwise you
>are just wasting time and bandwidth.

That's the problem, I wouldn't believe anything any of them had to say. I remember the infamous "November incident", where in November 2001 where OS4 was supposed to be displayed at WOA-UK, it turned out that no work had been done on it for months... and in that interim period, after work had stopped and before the show, at least one interview I read from an Amiga Inc staffperson promised it was all going according to schedule! There are other cases that some have mentioned in this thread about contradictions between verified events and Amiga Inc's spin on them....

>So find someone whom you trust, go fire the questions at them, get the answers
>from them.

I'll believe the court documents when I see them.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 97 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 07-Jul-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (DaveP):
>the answers I gave were too complex for you?

They were replies, rather than answers.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 98 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 07-Jul-2003 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (gz):
He doesn't, his technical abilities are limited, to memorization, and parrotting. I imagine he passes these questiong on to Hyperion, and quotes their responses, without given them credit as such.
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 99 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 07-Jul-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (samface):
Firstly, without Morphos there is no Amiga OS4 development going on. After Fleecy told anyone who would listen AmigaOS was dead, dead, dead and AmigaDE was the only way to go, MorphOS was the only future for people not buying the fleecyspeak, and essentially the developers Amiga Inc. had based their business model on had no interest in AmigaDE, but a PPC AmigaOS like system was of great interest. Hence Amiga's sudden interest in a PPC OS, to try and build interest amonst the developer base they assumed came along with the name (although the Taos thing isn't attractive to developers used to the Amiga way).
AmigaOS4.0 to support twenty languages : Comment 100 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 07-Jul-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (samface):
> When Ben Hermans told you about the legal uncertainties (which are still
> uncertainties, mind you) about MorphOS,

No, he was creating FUD, and alot of it. There has been zero proof of anything he's said. His spouting off of FUD against MOS was a huge turn off, atleast for me. I don't appreciate SCO's FUD against Linux, I don't appreciate Ben's FUD against MOS.

> you had already made up your mind, hadn't you? I mean, why would you otherwise > not consider the words from a professional lawyer objectively?

I was happy to initially hear about OS4 as that ment that sham DE desktop was over. Going to a native OS was far more in my favor then DE ever was. I admit I was (and still am) skeptical of a game porting company to build an OS, but it was certainly good news vs DE. Then the FUD and Anti-American drool started to flow from Ben. Please remember Ralph is not my bud, never has, and probably never will be. We've had our fair share of words on CSAM over the years, so I have no reason to be in his corner on this issue. Ben convinced me that even though I have negative opinions of Ralph, Ralph was more then likely in the right on this issue.

As far as a lawyer (which AFAIK, he's not a member of the bar [or it's equivalent] in his own country) is concerned and taking their words with respect, what planet are you from? I've had my fair share of lawyers, and I'm not all that impressed by most of them. When I think lawyer, I automatically associate them with the word, "weasel." So let me get this right Samface, I'm suppost to take the word of a wannabe lawyer, who co-owns a game porting company, word on their competition legal status? What's next, you expect me to pay 800 Euros for a CPU/Mobo that is substandard that currently only runs Linux?

Dammy
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