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Posted on 07-Jul-2003 10:03 GMT by Denis Troller70 comments
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The AmigaOS 4.0 Powerpoint presentation that was displayed in Montlaur on saturday the 5th is now available. This document was displayed to the amigans in Montlaur, France last saturday. It is a snapshot of the work in progress on AmigaOS 4.0.

We hope this will help you understand what was realised, and what still needs to be done.

Please note that the list of PPC modules is growing everyday (and I mean everyday : This morning we received icon.library).

The file is available as a PowerPoint presentation (original file), a PDF file, and a set of JPEG images. This is a french document, so please feel free to translate it.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Jul-2003 08:15 GMT
Lovely screenshots!

I didn't realise that there was a new version of SnoopDos (3.8 May 2003). That's cool.

Sam
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jul-2003 09:04 GMT
>Powerpoint< presentation... Good they care about existing Amiga users. Congratulations! Bravo! Love you!
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Emeric SH):
There is a Powerpoint viewer under development for Hollywood.

Also, the program xlhtml (Aminet) can convert a PP presentation to HTML for viewing on a browser.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 07-Jul-2003 09:14 GMT
The interesting thing is, we held a Pegasos presentation this weekend at Scenecon with png pictures and MysticView. But we could do it with Hollywood for example.

I wonder why they had to use a format alien for the _Amiga_ in the first place for demoing the future _Amiga_ Operating System? (This goes for "Amiga" sites which are not viewable in Amiga browsers as well)

Is it a custom?
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Jul-2003 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Emeric SH):
The presentation is also available in PDF and JPEG formats.

Not that you would be interested ofcourse.
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Posted by Denis Troller on 07-Jul-2003 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Emeric SH):
Would you care to read the News Item correctly, there are PDF and JPEG format.

--
grmbl.
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Posted by alan buxey on 07-Jul-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sam Smith):
i've already mentioned it twice last month, on ANN

alan
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Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Emeric SH):
"I wonder why they had to use a format alien for the _Amiga_ in the first place for demoing the future _Amiga_ Operating System? (This goes for "Amiga" sites which are not viewable in Amiga browsers as well) "

No, it is because they are un-Amigan and should be held for questioning by congress.
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Posted by AmiTroll on 07-Jul-2003 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (DaveP):
Mr DaveP, are you now or have you ever been a member of amigaworld.net?
Just answer the question with a simple yes or no sir!

GRUNT
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Posted by Denis Troller on 07-Jul-2003 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Emeric SH):
Because we do it on our spare time, at work, using the tools we do have, so that people can be kept informed.
Using Powerpoint on a portable PC through VNC was the simplest way to get something working.

--
Anyway...
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Posted by DET Nicolas on 07-Jul-2003 10:29 GMT
Well, instead of fighting about the presentaion format !

Could anyone tell us what have been SHOW at Toulouse ?????????
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Denis Troller):
"Because we do it on our spare time, at work, using the tools we do have, so that people can be kept informed.
Using Powerpoint on a portable PC through VNC was the simplest way to get something working."

The traditional Amiga tool to use would be Scala, but this is AGA-only and the Hollywood plugin (Malibu) has only just appeared, so it is not very practical to use Scala at present. From now on, one could prepare a presentation in Scala on an A4000, and show it on an Amithlon or Pegasos (and eventually an AmigaOne) using Hollywood.

Alan Redhouse normally uses Scala for his presentations.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Jul-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (alan buxey):
Sorry! I was on holiday!

Sam
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 11:01 GMT
Even though I do not speak French, the report was full of
cool screenshots of OS4 (drool:)). Thanks a lot, guys!
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Posted by catohagen on 07-Jul-2003 11:27 GMT
OS4 looks pretty much complete and yummy to me :)
seems morphos has lost its "leading" position of being good looking ;)
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Posted by Vovka on 07-Jul-2003 12:12 GMT
PowerPoint? - suxx!!!
Why not Scala?!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Jul-2003 12:31 GMT
Since the presentation was in french I mostly looked at the pictures/screenshots. And some of them they were quite interesting IMO!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Jul-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (catohagen):
> seems morphos has lost its "leading" position of being good looking ;)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And remember that you could allways make a "OS4-skin" for MorphOS if you really think that this is so good looking!
;-)
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Posted by DaveP on 07-Jul-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (AmiTroll):
I am reminded somewhat of the "holy grail" sketch over the bridge of death ;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sam Smith):
Instead of whining here you can start coding powerpoint vievwer for the amiga :)
And afaik there is some tools for the Amiga already which can convert powerpoint presentations.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Emeric SH):
Are you so desperate to find something negative that you have to start whining about format of presentation ? powerpoint is one of the best presentation softwares. There is nothing like that for the Amiga, except scala etc. But Maybe it was easier for them to use PC+Powerpoint ? :) Most of us need to use PC software more or less, so how can it be so damn terrible if they use Powerpoint ? Some mos fanatics always seem to need to find something negative when we are talking about OS4, and that's really pathetic :P
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (takemehomegrandma):
"Since the presentation was in french I mostly looked at the pictures/screenshots."

You should be able to guess most of the French text. For example, "fontes antialiasées", "Bugs corrigés". Just think of a similar English word that would make sense - "corrigés" = "corrected".

That is, if you are an English speaker.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Jul-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Erm... you meant this in reply to a different comment I take it?

Sam
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Sam Smith):
Yes :) You are right, Sorry :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (catohagen):
> OS4 looks pretty much co e and yummy to me :) seems morphos has lost its "leading" position of being good looking ;)

What, with grainy 32 color icons and gradients and textures covering every free space, and a random mixture of fonts and colors, and a brown gradient behind dialogs? You have to be design-impaired to like this mix (or the MOS look, which has its share of gruesome UI design, too, such as transparent menus).

These screenshots are better than what was displayed before: no fake wood, thank god, and plain blue window borders. If they continue on the less-is-more route, ban fake metal and other textures for good, drastically limit gradients, and, generally speaking, keep things simple, bitches like me might like it, too.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 07-Jul-2003 14:06 GMT
Normally I don't care if people use Photoshop, 3dStudio, Illustrator
or whatever that gets the job done. Reality is that the best apps are
often not available for Amiga. But.. Powerpoint? First of all, it has
to be one of the worst programs ever made. I've never seen a
Powerpoint presentation that didn't look embarrasingly unprofessional.
Then of course, this is one of the few areas when it can be said with
certainity that the Amiga can do better - even if you use 10 years old
software.
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Posted by Kjetil on 07-Jul-2003 14:07 GMT
One thing that irritated me on OS4.0 tour to Sweden where that one of the presenters head not prepared any thing, this presentation looks like it covers more relevant stuff, debug, jif, snoopdos, programs and etc. nicely done. (even if i do not understand French)
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Posted by z5 on 07-Jul-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Johan Rönnblom):
Shock horror! Somebody used powerpoint for a presentation! What a disgrace!

Maybe the person, who obviously spend a lot of time doing this (nice presentation) totally for free and for hobby, didn't have an Amiga program to do this, or maybe he used Powerpoint because he likes to work with powerpoint or because he is the most familiar with it. Shock horror again! An amiga user that doesn't use his Amiga. I'm sure you all use your Amigas for every work you do.

But then, we do i even try? Some people would even bitch about the font color used in the presentation.

To the person who made this: congrats! Looks good. Thanks for the effort. And please don't mind the people that can't handle the fact that this is not made with an Amiga.
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Posted by Kjetil on 07-Jul-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
/*
What, with grainy 32 color icons and gradients and textures covering every free space, and a random mixture of fonts and colors, and a brown gradient behind dialogs? You have to be design-impaired to like this mix (or the MOS look, which has its share of gruesome UI design, too, such as transparent menus).

These screen shots are better than what was displayed before: no fake wood, thank god, and plain blue window borders. If they continue on the less-is-more route, ban fake metal and other textures for good, drastically limit gradients, and, generally speaking, keep things simple, bitches like me might like it, too.
*/

What do you bitch about grainy 32 colors icons, you don't even like colors,
LOL.

guess you can customize every thing just like you like to, on OS4.0 and MorphOS if you like to, just remove the textures it upp to you,

As for the OS4.0 design there are tree key point way it look like it is:

1:
If you use lots of colors the you will have problem displaying the desktop in 256 colors with out displaying some thing really ugly.

2:
The desktop should be retro so users can reorganize the OS and computer.

3:
Not all users like large textures and fill up the ram space, the less memory used the less page-swapping inn & out of the swap-partisan.
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Posted by RAG on 07-Jul-2003 14:22 GMT
Oh no! The presentation is available in several formats!
I would only touch this if it was ONLY available in ASCII graphics!

Supporting different formats - Horror!







For f*cks sake! Don't download the PP presentation if you won't/can't view it!
But maybe you lot think the PDF and JPG files is infected by the PP virus as its located so close to it!
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Posted by itix on 07-Jul-2003 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (catohagen):
Just wait for MOS 1.4 ;) But in my opinion they are overusing gradients in OS4. Gradients make OS4 look really *cool* arent there too much gradients? Gradients on buttons, gradients on titlebar, gradients here, gradients there, everywhere gradients.
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
"These screenshots are better than what was displayed before: no fake wood, thank god, and plain blue window borders. If they continue on the less-is-more route, ban fake metal and other textures for good, drastically limit gradients, and, generally speaking, keep things simple, bitches like me might like it, too."

Some like it plain, but others like an interface that was apparently designed by a race of decadent anthropophagous aliens. Live and let live.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 07-Jul-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (z5):
Yes, disgrace is the right word. I don't think this program is
properly called "bad", it's more like an insult to humanity.

Also, this has nothing to do with Amiga or not (I *always* complain
when people use Powerpoint for *anything*). It's more like meeting a
colourblind person with horribly coloured clothes, you've got to tell
them, or they will keep doing the same mistake.
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Posted by MarkTime on 07-Jul-2003 15:38 GMT
Good work on the multi-format slide show presentation.
A few more presentations like that and you'll have....well
many presentations in a wide variety of formats.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (itix):
>But in my opinion they are overusing gradients in OS4. Gradients make OS4 look >really *cool* arent there too much gradients? Gradients on buttons, gradients >on titlebar, gradients here, gradients there, everywhere gradients.

I agree with this too. Just because they come up with a gradient feature
doesn't mean it has to be used everywhere...
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Posted by LinusG on 07-Jul-2003 15:58 GMT
Great presentation. It´s a shame I couldn´t visit the tour in Gothenburg.
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jul-2003 16:04 GMT
I notice that the icons in the "Partition Wizard" program are completely meaningless. As you might be using the program in an emergency when you are stressed and liable to make mistakes, I think buttons with words on would be better.

At least there should be the option, as in IBrowse, to have images, images+text, or text only.

But what is the difference between a magnifying glass and a torch? Why a screwdriver when all the options are "tools"? What is the 5th icon? The next one seems to represent "disks", but all the options are for disks.

Icons in a GUI really can be totally useless.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Kjetil):
> What do you bitch about grainy 32 colors icons, you don't even like colors,
LOL.

I just can't stand ignorant use of colors and the AOS4 screenshots (in the last months) have been outstanding examples in the art of gruesome combinations of colors and textures. Now about those icons:

Selecting a color theme obviously is a good thing for consistency, and sixteen colors or another low number might be a reasonable choice for an icon set. However, you still need many more shades for good icons for internal antialiasing. The AOS4 icons are not only too small for typical TFTs (now having a fixed resolution of 1280x1024), they also have rugged edges like the Rocky Mountains and internally, grainy dithering is used to simulate more colors instead of directly using 24bit colors. The result is a rather disgusting home computer icon look.

Some argue that icons can not be 24 bit with OS4 because its UI is palette-based and with only 256 pens available, the icon system would take too many pens away from the OS. However, considering that Picasso and CGX both can render 24 bit images directly to the screen, bypassing the pen system, I don't buy that argument.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 16:21 GMT
> I agree with this too. Just because they come up with a gradient feature
doesn't mean it has to be used everywhere...

One good reason not to use gradients in dialogs is that they misrepresent the content: the user's focus is, without good reason, directed to the bright left side and its gadgets while the darker right side drowns in shadows.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Jul-2003 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
At least you can turn them off. Personally I like the shots.

Sam
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Posted by itix on 07-Jul-2003 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
You cant have more than 256 colors through current icon.library. Would not surprise me if they go for PNG icons in the future.
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Posted by Chain|Q (SceneCON organizing) on 07-Jul-2003 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I'm sure Emeric & co. would be happy to present OS4 on their Pegasos beside MOS and LinuxPPC and MOL... But sadly, OS4 currently available to us as a form of an M$-PowerPoint (ROTFL) presentation... No comment.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (itix):
> You cant have more than 256 colors through current icon.library

The OS4 icons still suck, even in the context of these restrictions: 256 colors is quite sufficient (for small images), as long as you pick the 256 best colors for each icon. Regrettably, this is not how AOS4/GlowIcons were designed: they use a small shared palette. Instead of leaving remapping to the OS, the designer has built dithering into the icons. Now we can't get rid of it, regardless of having true color screens. For example, if an icon has a grey gradient, he didn't use 64 shades of grey but two or three shades and manual dithering (ie. a grainy raster to simulate more shades).
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 19:04 GMT
Hello,

Mr Hermans, can you please tell us (me at least :)) what is Vega (shown at the end of the document).

Thanks
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Posted by ElfKing on 07-Jul-2003 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Don Cox):
For the record, I used a non-Intel Box (home grown AMD), fitted with a non-M$ Operating System (RH Linux 9.0) to run a non-M$ presentation software (OpenOffice.org's Impress), to open the presentaion. I also did *not* use Adobe to open the pdf, I used xpdf.

If one had a PPC fitted with a non-M$ O.S., one could take it to another extreme. Then again, I don't know if OpenOffice.org is available for PPC Linux or other PPC Unixes.

Still, it would be nice to have an Amiga to be able to do it all... .ppt, .pdf, scala whatever, or some other new Amiga presentation format.
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Posted by ShitPC on 07-Jul-2003 22:16 GMT
I can´t see the MorphOS videos with my shit PeeCee with Winslow XP. I have tried to play them with Zoom Player, Windows Media Player and Quicktime but not recognizes the MPG archives. I use the K-lite codecs.



Waiting for a Pegasos II... :)
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Posted by ShitPC on 07-Jul-2003 22:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (ShitPC):
I have been mistaken, the previous message was to have put in the new "Re-Launch news of Classic Amiga+Pegasos w/Video Website downloads"

I am idiot
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 08-Jul-2003 00:08 GMT
I agree with the people who made negative comments about the fact that this presentation is in Powerpoint. This basically speaks volumes, and the fact that someone snapshotted the PPT to make jpegs and a PDF doesn't change anything. MorphOS carries the banner of what used to be the Amiga community, not this bogus stuff with Amiga Anywhere only for Windows, and Amiga SDK on Windows and Bill McEwen on his little Microsoft vassal group of WinCE content providers.

You see frickin' MorphOS Pegasos Powerpoint presentations? Heck, no! That is not who we are. We want an alternative, to stand on our own, not to be second or third or fourth or fifth banana to Microsoft programs.

The spirit of this community continues, but it ain't under the old banner.
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Posted by sutro on 08-Jul-2003 01:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (ElfKing):
> Then again, I don't know if OpenOffice.org is available for PPC Linux or other PPC Unixes.

Of course it is.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 08-Jul-2003 02:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (AmiTroll):
Do not wait for the interpreter!
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