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[News] Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back onlineANN.lu
Posted on 07-Jul-2003 19:46 GMT by Jens Schönfeld217 comments
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This is a show report from individual Computers about the Amiga Alpe Adria that took place in Udine, Italy this weekend, and some good news about the Commodore Billboard! This weekend, the Amiga Alpe Adria 2003 took place in Udine, Italy - another station of Amiga OS4 on tour. The show was organized by Cloanto, well-known for a lot of Amiga programs and the emulator "Amiga Forever". Jürgen Schober of Point Design had to make two OS4 presentations, because the room was totally overcrowded with more than 100 Amiga fans and journalists of daily press and computer magazines. We also had the chance to show our products in a 30-minute presentation. Best-seller of the present retailers Soft 3 and Virtual Works was the Catweasel MK3, that became the first choice accessory for many Amiga One owners because of it's high degree of integration into the hard- and software of the new Amiga.

A small Retro-computing museum right at the entrance of the showroom brought back joyful memories in the visitors. Rare items like an SX-64 in best shape, a VIC-20 rev.1, and even a C65 prototype were shown. One of the first multi-computer games (today's networking games) was shown on two PET computers that were connected through the serial ports. The home computer pioneer Altair 8800 from 1975 was the only none-Commodore computer.

The "Video Microwave", a Pegasos-board that was built in the case of a Sharp Microwave oven, was - at best - good for a laugh. The keyboard did not work at all, and it only took a few mouseclicks to make the computer with the MorphOS operating system crash. The reason for this could not be found in the short time of the show.

Commodore Billboard back online

Our good news for the fans of Commodore nostalgia almost got lost in the excitement surrounding Amiga OS4: The Commodore Billboard is back online! The initiator of the project, Søren Ladegaard (Denmark) had to drop the project due to lack of time in January 2003, and transferred the website to individual Computers. We're now sponsoring the website that can cause a lot of traffic with it's several hundred megabytes in size. During the past half year, the new webmaster Stefan Zelazny has converted the audio and video files to mpeg and mp3, so the website can be viewed on most platforms. For example, the Realplayer is not necessary any more.
Currently, the website is available under the address www.commodorebillboard.de. The .com domain will be made available in the coming weeks.
If you're interested in a local copy of the website, you can support us in paying for the high cost of the website by ordering the CD. It will be available in august this year from all our retail partners for about 15,- EUR. The double-CD package also contains some surprises for Commodore-fans!
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 18:25 GMT
Wow Jens.. last Year in Aachen, Pegasos & MOS was mentioned as one of the Highlights for
the fair you organized, now you throwing only mud on them...To bad really...
Bye Bye Jens...
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2003 18:45 GMT
Someone has a personal vendetta ...
I'm very disapointed to see such comments from someone like Jens.
When he does such a comment he know exactly what he is doing.
These Amiga <-> Pegasos wars make only one looser : the Amiga community.
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 07-Jul-2003 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christophe Decanini):
They seem like facts to me.

How many times do people say they're just quoting the FACTS about Amiga Inc?

Anyway, to avoid a flame war... I REALLY REALLY REALLY want Amiga OS4 now :-) Anyone else feel the same?

Ian
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Posted by itix on 07-Jul-2003 18:56 GMT
Gimme AmigaOne with OS4 and lets see how many mouse clicks I can do.
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Posted by Tryo on 07-Jul-2003 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christophe Decanini):
Well, that's the problem with one person "companies". They lack responsibility and (understandably) professionalism.

I don't think Jens is to blame, as this is just life. Maybe once there is again a market (if it's not finished off by the last standing people), people like Jens can grow their "company" and think a bit different about their markets.
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Posted by itix on 07-Jul-2003 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (itix):
Anyway, lets not make another flame war :-/
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Posted by Flute on 07-Jul-2003 18:58 GMT
Hi,

FWIW, the microwave Pegasos worked perfectly at the WOA-SE show... ;)

And at least the Pegasos has an OS (that isn't Linux) that is at least able to crash! ;-)

Regards,
Flute.
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Posted by tokai on 07-Jul-2003 18:59 GMT
"...oven, was - at best - good for a laugh. The keyboard..."

Jens, this has _nothing_ to do with serious reporting! That's mud!
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Posted by catohagen on 07-Jul-2003 19:10 GMT
>The keyboard did not work at all, and it only took a few mouseclicks to make the computer with the MorphOS operating system crash.

:) and i thought mos crashed because of buggy apps, not random mouseclicks :)
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2003 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ian Shurmer):
"They seem like facts to me."

There are facts and the way to relate them.
Saying "unfortunately the video Microwave was not working" would have been more appropriate.

"How many times do people say they're just quoting the FACTS about Amiga Inc? "
There are people and people. Jens is not just another (anonymous) user. He know exactely what he is doing when doing such statements.

Some resellers/developpers avoided to fall into such politic. It is a bit early to know whatever solution will be successfull or not. In such a weak market it is bad to loose customers.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 19:18 GMT
He happily takes the money from Pegasos Catweasel MK3 customers anyway. :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christophe Decanini):
"I'm very disapointed to see such comments from someone like Jens. "

oh, so if he find out the procduct is crap, he should lie?

"When he does such a comment he know exactly what he is doing."

delete it if you dont like it, its what you usally do anyway
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Posted by Jens Schönfeld on 07-Jul-2003 19:19 GMT
Hey guys,

this wasn't meant to start another flamewar. My issue would have been "mud" if it wasn't true, but there are a good 100 witnesses, so I guess I'm safe to say "it's fact". It just wasn't the microwave's day, not the end of the world, eh?

Also, please note that I tried to stay neutral: I don't know if the reason was the hardware or the OS. One thing I could have mentioned is that it really boots quite fast. Seen it quite often this saturday :-)

Jens Schönfeld
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jens Schönfeld):
Jens, ha ha. I hope this worth every penny.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jens Schönfeld):
Noone discusses the facts. It is just that we would expect you to be more profesional on the way you relate it.

I would never have written in a report "it was - at best - good for a laugh" speaking about one of your product even if it was the case. It is quite insulting for some people and you know that they will find it insulting.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2003 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Yes of course. I also moderated this item as news to serve you sir.

And BTW do you have the guts to post with your real name ?
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Jul-2003 19:40 GMT
Jens, Jens, don't you know you shouldnt put metal, cats or computers inside a microwave, only food and drinks. No wonder it didnt work, it's meant for COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKING :)
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Posted by Guy Pierce on 07-Jul-2003 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Christophe Decanini):
dont bother, its clearly this is a blind labarado eh..AOS4 follower, thank god
it was mos1.3 running in the microwave.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Jul-2003 19:55 GMT
I have to add that it is very unfortunate to show a broken/non working product in a show. Who was demontrating it btw ?
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Posted by brotheris on 07-Jul-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jens Schönfeld):
were there other pegasos'es with morphos that crashed with mouseclicks ?
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Posted by Lando on 07-Jul-2003 20:15 GMT
Having read this "report", I will never again purchase a product from Individual Computers.
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Posted by MarkTime on 07-Jul-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Lando):
needlessly made me wary of Individual Computers, and I wasn't such before....makes one wonder what people are thinking.
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Posted by Dietmar Eilert on 07-Jul-2003 20:39 GMT
>The "Video Microwave", a Pegasos-board that was built in the case of a Sharp Microwave oven, was - at best - good for a laugh

Pathetic behaviour from a developer. I wonder how you will feel the next time one of your products fails and an idiot on ann gloats about your accident in a show report. Let's say a petty comment along the lines of "catweasel? Was - at best - good for a laugh". I bet that "fair reporting" won't be your first thought ;)
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Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 07-Jul-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jens Schönfeld):
Ahwell, the fact that the keyboard didn't work would indicate that there was something seriously wrong with it, guess that's what you get for stuffing your computer into a microwave... ;)

..anyway, I'd be interested to know exactly which "few mouseclicks" made it crash? Was it just any random navigation, or was it something specific which triggered it every time?


- CISC
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Posted by magnetic on 07-Jul-2003 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jens Schönfeld):
Well this is interesting...
Jens was very cool in releasing the Morphos version of the drivers for CW3 (which I use now and the board is great) There is some history there with Aachen. The video microwave may have had a problem that day.. its a machine sometimes they fail. Jens, there was a dig against MorphOS there.. and thats cool. We are all entitled to comments. I can say that I run MorphOS 1.3 for sometimes days on end and it very rarely crashes. It crashes less than my Real Amiga 4000T! Jens, keep up the good work and please support MOS and Peg because it is going to be a good customer base for you with release of Peg2. Amiwest will cause excitement.
magnetic
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Posted by Some Farker on 07-Jul-2003 20:42 GMT
OMG! Someone spoke ill of MIIIIIIIIGHTY MORPHIN' MORPHOS!

Quick, BBRV rangers! Get your jackboots! Get your plexiglass shields! Get your truncheons!

Hut-two
Hut-two
Hut-two

All in lockstep now, singing!

"We're the real success-ors!
To the Commodore
Ami-ga!

Oh we're the real success-ors!
If you don't know
then we'll beat 'ya!

Our products!
In-vincible!
BBRV
Undefeatable!

Oh we're the real success-ors!
Ami-ga, it's ours!"

Hut-two!
Hut-two!
Hut-two!

And clubs - OUT!
And shields - UP!

Two three four!

There's the heretic!

Two three!

Let's GET 'EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
LOL
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:10 GMT
Nice ..nice.

Its ok to point out the bad things of AmigaOne/Aos4, but not ok to point out the bad side of Pegasos/MOS.
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Posted by Ryu on 07-Jul-2003 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
hehe that is actually quite funny :)
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Lando):
Lando...

Who exactly are you punishing by never buying another product from
Individual Computers?

YOURSELF!

Jens makes some of the best hardware out there. Your statement is
laughable.
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 07-Jul-2003 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
Hehe... LOL ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
> Its ok to point out the bad things of AmigaOne/Aos4, but not ok to point out the bad side of Pegasos/MOS.

You think comments above are complaining about pointing out bad things? That would be amazing, everybody here seems to be very good at pointing out. A skill honed to perfection in Amiga forums. I think it's more a matter of spotting stupidity (programmer in self-destructive mode).
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
> Hut-two!

LOL :-) *I want to have this as avi*
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
Jens is qualified to say whatever the hell he wants to say. He more
or less put up a factual statement that the Pegasos machine failed.
He may have gone a bit over the top saying that "It was laughable",
but I tell you, I would have been laughing my ass off...
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Posted by Some Farker on 07-Jul-2003 21:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
"> Hut-two!

LOL :-) *I want to have this as avi*"

I just wish I could've thought of a more...poetic way to wrap it up. But the mental picture of a bunch of Morphos headcases with blue-butterfly inscribed plexiglass riot shields pummeling Jens was too sweet to pass by.

(HINT FOR THE TERMINALLY STUPID: NO, I'M NOT AN AMIGA INC. FANBOY. HOWEVER YOUR FUTURE INTERPRETATIONS OF ME THUS WILL BE KNEESLAPPINGLY HILARIOUS, SO PLEASE PROCEED TO LABEL ME SO.)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (NeRP):
>Jens is qualified to say whatever the hell he wants to say.

He sure can say everything he wants, qualified or not, I was only pointing out that it is stupid to offend your customers (and some just do like those machines, whether Jens likes them or not). Well, I guess he's pretty bitter about something that has happened between him and bbrv and now it's pouring out.
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 21:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Oh really? I can't imagine BBRV pissing anyone off!

... And he seemed like such a nice guy!
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Some Farker):
> I just wish I could've thought of a more...poetic way to wrap it up. But the mental picture of a bunch of Morphos headcases with blue-butterfly inscribed plexiglass riot shields pummeling Jens was too sweet to pass by.

Have you watched Shrek? There was this scene when Shrek/Donkey enter the castle and meet the automaton with the animated people. Couldn't help to think of them reading #26 :-)
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Lets be realistic now, Jens didn't offend his customers. He offended
the Pegasos machine. If Jens *had* offended his customers, then he
would have said something like:

"Man, those Pegasos users are complete idiots"

He did not say that. He commented about the functional status of the
Pegasos machine. It crashed. It's crashed at shows before, and was
commented on then as well - and not by Jens

Now you people are trying to work it up into something it's not by
saying that Jens is just bitter. Yeah, right.
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Posted by Cornflack on 07-Jul-2003 21:52 GMT
It's been well established that MorphOS is still extremely buggy and probably shouldn't be considered more than an Alpha version. It sort of reminds me of a discussion we were having in #AmigaIRC on irc.xnet.org, where we discuss these issues often.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (NeRP):
I kinda disagree with you there. The Pegasos is nicely done computer, but a computer is never better than the software running on it. Hence it must be morphos he was "offending".
Tell you the truth, I'd rather have Peggy2+AOS4 than A1+AOS4, but, alas, that's prolly just a dream. Guess us Amigans still are stuck with expensive hardware...
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Cornflack):
Hmmm, I guess you consider yourself a comedian?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Cornflack):
> It's been well established that MorphOS is still extremely buggy

Where? By whom?
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
So you're saying the Pegasos would be better with OSv4?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (NeRP):
> Lets be realistic now, Jens didn't offend his customers

Maybe you should fetch your reading glasses and read from the top. I certainly felt offended, too. A lot of people are working to make the Pegasos a better machine, it's not just bbrv (in fact this guy has the least to do with the technical aspects of it, he doesn't have sessions with gcc coding away, does he?).

Americans might be used to plain speaking by now with that cowboy in the White House ("bring em on"). In other parts of the world, is pays off to show more control and be a bit smarter about what you are saying and *how* you are saying it. It's not just about content, it's also about form.
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Posted by Cornflack on 07-Jul-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
osnews, for example
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Posted by NeRP on 07-Jul-2003 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
Would you like me to comfort you? I could tuck you in at nights, and
check the closet for monsters. I could probably even change your
diaper for you.

I, a self labeled AmigaOne/AmigaOSv4 "fanatic" have to deal with a lot
worse shit from MOS type supporters. I deal with it. You can too.
We can help each other!

*hugs*
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Cornflack):
> osnews, for example

Frankly, I'm afraid that the reviewer would have come to exactly the same conclusions if the object of the test had been AOS3. To the outside world, this whole Amiga thing is a mystery: strange thirtyish people (in equally strange t-shirts with slogans such as "we have a present for you") using slow hardware to run an underfeatured OS. Doesn't make it less fun though, does it? Now, to record my POV: MorphOS is beta and fun. Alpha was yesterday.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jul-2003 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (NeRP):
> So you're saying the Pegasos would be better with OSv4?

If AOS4 proves to be stable then yes.
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Posted by Lecta on 07-Jul-2003 22:30 GMT
Just for a correct information...

Noone demoed the MicroWave Pegasos because it was sent by international courier. Noone from morphos-pegasos team was present at the show (I don't know if they were invited but I think yes) neither morphos users were present to show it working.
The Pegasos was switched off and I was the one who switched it on after taking away from an AmigaOne the keyboard and the mouse (they were in full working state on the AmigaOne). At first the Pegasos didn't recognize the mouse and the keyboard, after some tries the keyboard was succesfully recognized. The mouse take longer (I have connected and disconnected it many times before it was recognized- obviously switching off power berfore trying) So this was probably an hardware issue, not a software issue.
First boot lasted about 15 seconds, every reboot only 5-6 seconds. The system was very instable, It crashed while playing a movie with frogger, it crashed while playing with windows and with other applications, but I have to say that Morphos was version 1.1 (I don't know why Genesi sent a version so old).

This was just for your information. I won't add any comments.
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