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[News] Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online ANN.lu Posted on 07-Jul-2003 19:46 GMT by Jens Schönfeld 217 comments View flat View list This is a show report from individual Computers about the Amiga Alpe Adria that took place in Udine, Italy this weekend, and some good news about the Commodore Billboard! This weekend, the Amiga Alpe Adria 2003 took place in Udine, Italy - another station of Amiga OS4 on tour. The show was organized by Cloanto, well-known for a lot of Amiga programs and the emulator "Amiga Forever". Jürgen Schober of Point Design had to make two OS4 presentations, because the room was totally overcrowded with more than 100 Amiga fans and journalists of daily press and computer magazines. We also had the chance to show our products in a 30-minute presentation. Best-seller of the present retailers Soft 3 and Virtual Works was the Catweasel MK3, that became the first choice accessory for many Amiga One owners because of it's high degree of integration into the hard- and software of the new Amiga. A small Retro-computing museum right at the entrance of the showroom brought back joyful memories in the visitors. Rare items like an SX-64 in best shape, a VIC-20 rev.1, and even a C65 prototype were shown. One of the first multi-computer games (today's networking games) was shown on two PET computers that were connected through the serial ports. The home computer pioneer Altair 8800 from 1975 was the only none-Commodore computer. The "Video Microwave", a Pegasos-board that was built in the case of a Sharp Microwave oven, was - at best - good for a laugh. The keyboard did not work at all, and it only took a few mouseclicks to make the computer with the MorphOS operating system crash. The reason for this could not be found in the short time of the show. Commodore Billboard back online Our good news for the fans of Commodore nostalgia almost got lost in the excitement surrounding Amiga OS4: The Commodore Billboard is back online! The initiator of the project, Søren Ladegaard (Denmark) had to drop the project due to lack of time in January 2003, and transferred the website to individual Computers. We're now sponsoring the website that can cause a lot of traffic with it's several hundred megabytes in size. During the past half year, the new webmaster Stefan Zelazny has converted the audio and video files to mpeg and mp3, so the website can be viewed on most platforms. For example, the Realplayer is not necessary any more. Currently, the website is available under the address www.commodorebillboard.de. The .com domain will be made available in the coming weeks. If you're interested in a local copy of the website, you can support us in paying for the high cost of the website by ordering the CD. It will be available in august this year from all our retail partners for about 15,- EUR. The double-CD package also contains some surprises for Commodore-fans! Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 101 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Lando on 08-Jul-2003 09:04 GMT In reply to Comment 86 (DaveP): >I don't buy products from companies that "release" substandard software to the real world. Hmm... AmigaDE Party Pack? Hyperion's Shogo port? No OS4 for you... Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 102 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 09:25 GMT @ Jens Schönfeld Thank you for this thread :-( OK, it's not your fault that Genesi didn't have any staff at the event, but I would like to ask you why you simply didn't switch off the Pegasos when it obviously didn't work properly? Wouldn't that have been a nice thing to do? And wouldn't it be nice to write something like "The Video Microwave did unfortunately not work properly because of unknown reasons (or "because of transportation damage" if that was the case) in the show report instead of "The Video Microwave [...] was - at best - good for a laugh"? What was the reason for that formulation? I have another question, I am a Pegasos user and I recently bought the Catweasel MK3 (like many other Pegasos users have done). Will you continue to support the Pegasos/MorphOS or have we been "fooled"? Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 103 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by reflect on 08-Jul-2003 09:28 GMT In reply to Comment 100 (Johan Rönnblom): Except that the two machines with OS4 Beta on them were there for people to try out whatever they wanted for themselves. That part is clearly incorrect.. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 104 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Ian Shurmer on 08-Jul-2003 09:29 GMT In reply to Comment 102 (takemehomegrandma): Seriously, guys, I would have thought that people's skin would have grown a bit thicker with the current Amiga climate - yet people are getting upset because Jens let a tiny bit of opinion, mixed with a lot of fact, slip into his post. Plus it's already been discussed that the version of MorphOS running was 1.1 - an unstable beta version, which explains the severe problems. @Lando Ever get the feeling you're talking in circles? Ian Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 105 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 09:33 GMT In reply to Comment 101 (Lando): Amigans (DaveP included) live in their own bizarro world Did you see Don Cox explaining how filesystem reliability is the #1 factor for him, and then says therefore he chose an Amiga and Amiga FFS? No-one with any interest in evaluating evidence would say such a ridiculous thing. It's zealotry, it's not about the real world. Sailing a Flat Earth believer[*] around the planet won't convince him or her, because she has deliberately rejected evidence in favour of belief. [*] It's common these days to think scientists once believed the world was flat, but actually all the civilisations that cared to check found it to be round, and some even had reasonable estimates for its diameter. Flat Earth belief has been strictly the domain of religious kooks and other zealots for thousands of years. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 106 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by alan buxey on 08-Jul-2003 09:33 GMT my God! all you need is one single (and true) comment about a MorphOS machine and you are guaranteed a flamewar posting flood! ...followed by kneejerk reactionists proclaiming that the reports Author is an Amiga zealot and they'll never buy his products again lets face some facts: 1) Jens has written and developed for MorphOS 2) The 'microwave pegasos' was working okay at WOASE 2002 (uk show) 3) The microwave pegasos is a microwave case with pegasos board inside..its not an appliance...it is, as Jens pointed out, 'a joke'. its justa fancy and fun case mod - but does point the way to future ideas 4) there are people, from both camps, just waiting for the chance to jump at posts, throw insults and generally behave in stupid, badly and immature ways ..a pity Alan Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 107 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 09:38 GMT In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous): "Amigans (DaveP included) live in their own bizarro world " Thanks for mentioning me by name. Of course we do, its a subculture. Nothing to be offended or get offensive about. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 108 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 09:55 GMT In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous): ( and of course southampton university is a hot bed of broadminded thinking ;) ) Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 109 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Don Cox on 08-Jul-2003 10:04 GMT In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous): "Did you see Don Cox explaining how filesystem reliability is the #1 factor for him, and then says therefore he chose an Amiga and Amiga FFS? No-one with any interest in evaluating evidence would say such a ridiculous thing." My evaluation is from about 17 years of actually using AmigaOS. I have never lost data as a result of software errors. (Obviously no filesystem will save data on a drive with a physical fault.) The filesystem was written with recoverability of data as the highest priority. That is why you can recover the whole directory tree starting from any one sector. I don't trust SFS and PFS because I have seen several mails from people who had been happily using one of them for years, and then suddenly lost a whole partition and couldn't get any of it back. So I would choose FFS (or OFS) over SFS and PFS because I think it is more reliable. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 110 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 10:11 GMT In reply to Comment 64 (NeRP): MorphOS v1.0 was certainly OK stability wise. I run an older version on the CSPPC and it is OK. Ambient may have been the problem with MorphOS 1.1 Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 111 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 10:22 GMT In reply to Comment 76 (DaveP): @Dave "For the fighting to stop, the BS has to stop." So stop it here. You have been consistantly posting comments implying that Genesi has no real product and that OS4 will come and be perfect. Then you expect people running MorphOS for months without any major problem to shut up and stop these ping pong threads ? Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 112 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 10:26 GMT In reply to Comment 104 (Ian Shurmer): > Seriously, guys, I would have thought that people's skin would have grown a > bit thicker with the current Amiga climate My skin is like a thick armor plate by now :-/ > yet people are getting upset because Jens let a tiny bit of opinion, mixed > with a lot of fact, slip into his post. A tiny opinion? A lot of fact? Anyway, the reason for me to even bother commenting Jens post is that I have allways respected him and his efforts. I usually praise Individual Computers as the most creative HW company in this market. The Catweasel is only one of many innovative products in a long series. I have looked forward to the release of the Commodore One for a very long time now. All in all, I have allways had a very deep respect for Jens and I have never previously seen him putting these kind of wording to describe another companys products. This is a kind of scorning mockery that historically has been reserved for BBRV, Ben Hermans and Alan Redhouse, but *not even they* say things like this anymore. I really hope that you are right in that this was only something that "slipped into his post". I really hope that Jens humbly understands that many people will - at best - laugh at the Commodore One too (not me though). And I really hope that this is not a sign of Jens lowering himself into the endless clone wars by taking a stance against the Pegasos instead of supporting everything on the Amiga market that can generate some revenue. And I really hope that I do not have to change my opinion of Jens Schönfeld and Individual computers. That was what my post was about. > Plus it's already been discussed that the version of MorphOS running was > 1.1 - an unstable beta version, which explains the severe problems. I have MorphOS 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 och CD. I can tell you this, keyboard and mouse works in all versions, and while the 1.1 version is not as stable as the 1.3 you can still do a lot more than "a few mouse clicks" so no, this does not explain the severe problems that has been described in by Jens in his posts. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 113 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Ian Shurmer on 08-Jul-2003 10:31 GMT In reply to Comment 112 (takemehomegrandma): Little bit of opinion - well I guess thats the "it's a joke" bit. Fact - the machine didn't work and it crashed a lot. Could Ambient have been the problem? I understand that it's not particularly usable. Ian :-) Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 114 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by dammy on 08-Jul-2003 10:31 GMT In reply to Comment 76 (DaveP): > This is now and that was then. Yeah, OS4 is vaporware. MOS and AROS have been released to the public for quiet sometime. I find it pretty funny that you can go on about how Hyperion is doing OS4 this way and that way when it's VAPORWARE. Why don't you lower your combative role down a few notches until it's is released (Xmas 2002, right?) and save yourself alot of stress. Dammy Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 115 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 10:33 GMT In reply to Comment 104 (Ian Shurmer): > yet people are getting upset because Jens let a tiny bit of opinion, mixed with a lot of fact, slip into his post Read him in his native language and you might not have such a favorable opinion. "It was however very amusing to see how the Pegasos, who seemed to be the front runner for a long time, now can only beep beep from the second row". He certainly seems to get a lot of fun out of the incident and is not shy to show it. Always a bit sad to see such hitting and kicking from a pro. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 116 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 10:33 GMT In reply to Comment 99 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion): Just to say Ben that i know that MorphOs JIT has been running very stable at least since Q3-Q4 2002. If Petunia has "still to be integrated" it is still far from being ready as trance. Not that I think that Petunia is a bad product but you have a track record of 99% ready things that come months away initial schedule. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 117 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 10:33 GMT In reply to Comment 111 (Christophe Decanini): "So stop it here. You have been consistantly posting comments implying that Genesi has no real product and that OS4 will come and be perfect. " "Then you expect people running MorphOS for months without any major problem to shut up and stop these ping pong threads ? " I think you need to put on your reading glasses and read the interchange with Gary and Mahen before you post stuff like this. Regards Dave. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 118 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 10:35 GMT In reply to Comment 100 (Johan Rönnblom): Maybe the most decent comment of the thread Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 119 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 10:42 GMT In reply to Comment 114 (dammy): @Dammy It is not that vaporware, something has been shown working. They may not have 100% PPC, they do not run yet on the AmigaOne, but they did the fisrst step (booting the kernel on the CSPPC and running the wb and updated 68k modules on it). Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 120 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 10:44 GMT In reply to Comment 114 (dammy): "Yeah, OS4 is vaporware. MOS and AROS have been released to the public for quiet sometime." OS4 is in private beta MOS is in public beta AROS is in whatever state you claim it is. "Why don't you lower your combative role down a few notches until it's is released (Xmas 2002, right?) and save yourself alot of stress. " What stress? What don't you notch your IQ levels up a tadge and go and read what I actually wrote for once. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 121 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by NeRP on 08-Jul-2003 10:48 GMT In reply to Comment 114 (dammy): I think DaveP explained this already. Genesi's goal in releasing MorphOS *BEFORE IT WAS READY* was to meddle with the weak minded in the group, namely, poor Dammy. That way he could justifiably call AmigaOSv4 "Vapourware" Dammy: you might want to look at some of DaveP's posts to see the difference between the ways that software can be released. You see, AmigaOSv4 is being released internally, not externally. If it really was vaporware, then it wouldn't be on tour right now, would it? Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 122 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 10:50 GMT In reply to Comment 117 (DaveP): Mahen has certainly a much greater experience when speaking about MorphOS than you. While owning a Pegasos Mahen has always been against OS4 vs MorphOS flames. Gary may have had his Pegasos later but still he is more informed on MorphOS than you are. You have been just arguing to death to bash MorphOS and enlight OS4. Try to look at your comments from another perspective. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 123 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 10:51 GMT In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous): Who cares about the stupid microwave anyway? We all know that MorphOS doesn't crash with a few mouse clicks. Even if it worked the whole idea is as silly as LG's internet fridge anyway. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 124 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 10:54 GMT In reply to Comment 122 (Christophe Decanini): "Mahen has certainly a much greater experience when speaking about MorphOS than you. " "While owning a Pegasos Mahen has always been against OS4 vs MorphOS flames." "Gary may have had his Pegasos later but still he is more informed on MorphOS than you are. " Yet we managed to agree. Exactly how is this dick length measuring contest you are trying to start related to the point, which I have been making consistently, of the current production state of Genesis product named MorphOS? "You have been just arguing to death to bash MorphOS and enlight OS4. Try to look at your comments from another perspective." Bollocks. You just haven't taken in a single word I have said, and it shows. Apart from your attempt to put words in my mouth above ( namely that you think I said Genesi did not have a product ) your reaction sayes that you have skim read, saw who it was from and leapt to obvious but oh so telling conclusions. I ask you again, less politely this time, go and fricking read what I wrote properly! Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 125 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 11:02 GMT In reply to Comment 121 (NeRP): >Genesi's goal in releasing MorphOS *BEFORE IT WAS READY* was to meddle with the weak minded in the group, namely, poor Dammy. Sure, mind control was their first thought ;-) The level of stupididy here sometimes in unbelievable. If OS4 was available today as a 0.0.1 alpha version, it would sell better than hot cakes: there is a demand for early releases. But some people bitching here want to have it both ways: quick access to a new OS and rock solid. Rent a brain. As to MorphOS, Genesi has been quite fair about it, naming the whole affair a "betatester" program and offering free upgrades all the way to better hardware and better software, at pretty high costs to them. If they were into it to just wriggle money out of peoples' hand ASAP for faulty products or vaporware ("t-shirt clubs" come to mind), they have failed miserably: the april chip alone is reported to have costed more than the mainboard. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 126 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:05 GMT In reply to Comment 121 (NeRP): MorphOS was released to "Beta 2 users" 2 years after the core OS was done and most of the module were ported to PPC. In the initial plans MorphOS 1.0 was suppose to be shipped with OS3.5 in order to get the workbench and some utilities. The MorphOS team changed their plans to provide a full replacement of these. Ambient (in 1.3 release) is certainly not at to the point of having all the functionality of the workbench but should be close to it or go further in MorphOS 1.4. Ambient has a lot of potential. OS4 may have similar plans (for releases >4) to ditch the actual workbench for a brand new one like Ambient. Olaf Barthel wrote in an older thread about such plans to replace the workbench. I have no problem using Ambient myself as I use it as a desktop only, not as a file manager. I do exactly the same thing with OS3.9 when I use Dopus. When Ambient wil have Dopus like lister I will certainly ditch Dopus. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 127 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Ian Shurmer on 08-Jul-2003 11:06 GMT In reply to Comment 122 (Christophe Decanini): "You have been just arguing to death to bash MorphOS and enlight OS4." What a load of crap. I understand that English isn't your native language, but I guess you just haven't read anything Dave wrote. Unbelievable. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 128 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by NeRP on 08-Jul-2003 11:08 GMT In reply to Comment 120 (DaveP): 5 REM DAMMY LOGIC LOOP "APRIL" FIX VER 1.0 10 CLS 20 ?"WHAT IS YOUR NAME" 30 INPUT A$ 40 IF A$="DAMMY" GOTO 60 50 END 60 ?"MY NAME IS DAMMY, AND I WILL READ COMMENT 120 UNTIL I UNDERSTAND IT" 70 GOTO 60 80 REM IF THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK THEN PLEASE WAIT FOR VER 1.1 90 REM UPON RECEIPT OF 1.1, EXTOL IT'S VIRTUES AND CLAIM 1.0 WAS CRAP Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 129 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 11:12 GMT In reply to Comment 115 (Anonymous): >> yet people are getting upset because Jens let a tiny bit of opinion, mixed >> with a lot of fact, slip into his post > Read him in his native language and you might not have such a favorable > opinion. "It was however very amusing to see how the Pegasos, who seemed to > be the front runner for a long time, now can only beep beep from the second > row". He certainly seems to get a lot of fun out of the incident and is not > shy to show it. Always a bit sad to see such hitting and kicking from a pro. Where was that posted? I'd like to see it for myself before I believe such a thing! Very sad if that is true! :-( (BTW, how can something "beep beep from the second row", when only one row exist?) Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 130 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:15 GMT In reply to Comment 124 (DaveP): Dave, it is not just about this thread but all the other ones before. I could spend 4 hours today to quote you to show how you are sided and assume a lot of wrong things when it comes to MorphOS. I have no problem with people prefering a solution or another but when these people are the one that claim "this as to stop" "stop the fud" "it is all BS" while being among the first posters on the site and being very sided I just want to recall them that. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 131 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by NeRP on 08-Jul-2003 11:17 GMT In reply to Comment 125 (Anonymous): No, mind control was not their first thought. They wanted software out there that people could use. They want a product out now so that people can buy into it, and more or less be locked into an upgrade path. Alot of people aren't really rich, and so once they spend the money, they've basically picked their side. Genesi just wants to hit all the early adopters and hope people are either too lazy to switch, or will defend their decision no matter what it was. This "rent a brain" shit was "cool" coming from a nameless "loser" My posts change depending entirely on who I'm posting to. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 132 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:17 GMT In reply to Comment 127 (Ian Shurmer): And of course it come from someone that makes even stronger anti morphOS comment than Dave ... Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 133 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:20 GMT In reply to Comment 131 (NeRP): And companies selling Linux machines as AmigaOnes never do such tricks as "brain control", "investment made and difficulties to switch" ... You are giving arguments to go against your motives ... Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 134 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Ian Shurmer on 08-Jul-2003 11:24 GMT In reply to Comment 132 (Christophe Decanini): Ehm... What? Ian Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 135 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 11:25 GMT In reply to Comment 130 (Christophe Decanini): @Christophe If its a question of interpretation and how things appear to you as a peg owner and morphos owner than that Im afraid is a good 80% of the problem. I could spend a similar 4 hours showing you exerpts of places where I have taken the side of Anti-Amiga Inc people, the side of Bill Buck and the side of MorphOS. If it is about more than just this thread, then chosing this thread to have a go at me was an error of judgement on your part. There are two things I cannot stand by and ignore at the moment: 1. Claims that MorphOS and Pegasos are generally available products and not beta-tester products. 2. Claims, on no evidence we have seen, that A1XE is seriously flawed because of the Articia-S chip whilst the Pegasos, by contrast, is a paragon of bug free operation. Now if you care to go back through my posting history you will find that is what I spend the majority of my time pointing out as incorrect. If you see that as attacks on MorphOS and Pegasos then I can't help your over-sensitivity. I also tend to post from time to time on business tactics, which are often followed up by Samface, Alkis or someone else as making out that I think either AmigaInc or Genesi are terrible people for following NORMAL GOD-DAMN BUSINESS PRACTICES. Now unless you can point to something I wrote that sayes: "Genesi are scoundrels" "Pegasos is a pile of shit" "MorphOS is crap" Or anything remotely like that I suggest you consider that in my case you may be letting your own bias influence your reading as much as my writing may be insensitive. Just because I don't sing from the "MorphOS is great, hallelueah" does not mean I am a MorphOS hater. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 136 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Ron van Herk on 08-Jul-2003 11:27 GMT @all Wow, what a lot of comments all because of a loose internal cable in the videomicrowave, due to FedEx transport :-) Cheers, Ron Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 137 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by dammy on 08-Jul-2003 11:28 GMT In reply to Comment 119 (Christophe Decanini): > @Dammy > It is not that vaporware, something has been shown working. > They may not have 100% PPC, they do not run yet on the AmigaOne, but they did > the fisrst step (booting the kernel on the CSPPC and running the wb and > updated 68k modules on it). vaporware /vay'pr-weir/ n. Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place). See also brochureware. Peg2 and OS4 are vaporware. Dammy. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 138 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by DaveP on 08-Jul-2003 11:29 GMT In reply to Comment 137 (dammy): That I agree with. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 139 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 11:30 GMT In reply to Comment 131 (NeRP): I agree. They wanted to be 'first to market' with the future Amiga PPC solution. It'll be interesting to review the situation a few months after OS4 is released. Two similar hardware platforms with similar functioning OS's and a small user base. What's the point? Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 140 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 11:38 GMT In reply to Comment 131 (NeRP): >No, mind control was not their first thought. They wanted software out there that people could use. They want a product out now so that people can buy into it, and more or less be locked into an upgrade path. Sure, should have been one of their reasons, especially with regard to developers rather than end users - you want to attract those. Nothing wrong with this approach. I'm not sure what to think about the coupon idea used by the other side for practically the same reason: In retrospect, seeing how far away the OS was at that time from completion, I find it rather fishy and not nearly as recommendable as the betatester program, as far as catching cutomers goes. >My posts change depending entirely on who I'm posting to. You are posting to be read by ann readers. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 141 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by dammy on 08-Jul-2003 11:40 GMT In reply to Comment 120 (DaveP): > "Yeah, OS4 is vaporware. MOS and AROS have been released to the public for > quiet sometime." > OS4 is in private beta Which is vaporware. Deal with it. > MOS is in public beta > AROS is in whatever state you claim it is. Both beat the hell out of vaporware. > "Why don't you lower your combative role down a few notches until it's is > released (Xmas 2002, right?) and save yourself alot of stress. " > What stress? What don't you notch your IQ levels up a tadge and go and read > what I actually wrote for once. What, you mean you didn't post standard DaveP trollism? I'm shocked, I tell you, just shocked! BTW, what is a tadge? Is this some new super genius word that a low brow like me wouldn't know? I'm just so impressed by your superduper genius abilities. Dammy Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 142 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 11:41 GMT In reply to Comment 129 (takemehomegrandma): >Where was that posted? I'd like to see it for myself before I believe such a thing! http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/thread/AN-2003-07-00064-DE.html "Es war lediglich sehr amüsant zu sehen, wie der Pegasos, der lange Zeit die Nase vorn zu haben schien, nur in zweiter Reihe trällern konnte" Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 143 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:46 GMT In reply to Comment 135 (DaveP): Dave, it is just about your pattern in general. I noticed you because you are one of the most important poster here. The more I read you the more I have this impression that you are at the same time trying to tell people to stop FUD and at the same time assume a lot of things. I wouldn't be surprise to be corrected by an OS4 beta tester if I was speaking as much on OS4 as you do with MorphOS assuming as many things you do. Don't take my comments too bad. I just made the point that you would argue for ever with yourself if you were like me using MorphOS every day. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 144 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:50 GMT In reply to Comment 138 (DaveP): I could agree with it. But I know that it will degenerate. So I don't support the idea of saying it. It may offend OS4 developers like Jens comment did woth MorphOS users. Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 145 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 11:53 GMT In reply to Comment 142 (Anonymous): >> Where was that posted? I'd like to see it for myself before I believe such >> a thing! > http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/thread/AN-2003-07-00064-DE.html > "Es war lediglich sehr amüsant zu sehen, wie der Pegasos, der lange Zeit die > Nase vorn zu haben schien, nur in zweiter Reihe trällern konnte" Man, that is sad to see! :-( Really low ... Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 146 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 11:55 GMT In reply to Comment 143 (Christophe Decanini): > I wouldn't be surprise to be corrected by an OS4 beta tester if I was > speaking as much on OS4 as you do with MorphOS assuming as many things > you do. That was actually *very* well put! Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 147 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by dammy on 08-Jul-2003 11:57 GMT In reply to Comment 121 (NeRP): > Dammy: you might want to look at some of DaveP's posts to see the > difference between the ways that software can be released. You see, > AmigaOSv4 is being released internally, not externally. If it really > was vaporware, then it wouldn't be on tour right now, would it? Until it IS released to the public, it's vaporware. I'm sure the Monster Mystery Chip was in some form of silicon, it may have worked to some degree, but that is, like OS4, vaporware. It's people like DaveP (not to forget Ben "I'm important" H.) constant droning on about vaporware that turns me off on OS4. I realize that they are hopelessly overdue on their release and need to keep stoking the fires of their base usersality. That does not excuse them from treating the Community like idiots to think their internal testing means it's no longer vaporware. Peg2s are more then likely in final testing if not being ramped up for production for September/October deliveries. I call that vaporware as well. For those who think OS4 is not vaporware, do you consider Peg2 not vaporware either? Only the biased trolls will say it's different. Dammy Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 148 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 12:04 GMT In reply to Comment 147 (dammy): Fair. VAPORWARE sounds bad to me (like many Amiga products that were never released). Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 149 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Lando on 08-Jul-2003 12:13 GMT In reply to Comment 104 (Ian Shurmer): >@Lando >Ever get the feeling you're talking in circles? Not once in my life. How about you? Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back online : Comment 150 of 217 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 12:13 GMT In reply to Comment 147 (dammy): For something to be considered vaporware, I'd say that it would be non-existant in the public eye. That is, not demonstrated to the public. An example would be iWin, AmigaOS 5, Pegasos 2, Duke Nuke'Em Whenever etc. However, OS 4 would not belong in that category obviously, as it is being shown and progress is shown too. Now go on and label me. I can't put my label for you here, since my mom told me not to say anything if I couldn't say anything nice. 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