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[News] Show report: AAA 2003, Commodore Billboard back onlineANN.lu
Posted on 07-Jul-2003 19:46 GMT by Jens Schönfeld217 comments
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This is a show report from individual Computers about the Amiga Alpe Adria that took place in Udine, Italy this weekend, and some good news about the Commodore Billboard! This weekend, the Amiga Alpe Adria 2003 took place in Udine, Italy - another station of Amiga OS4 on tour. The show was organized by Cloanto, well-known for a lot of Amiga programs and the emulator "Amiga Forever". Jürgen Schober of Point Design had to make two OS4 presentations, because the room was totally overcrowded with more than 100 Amiga fans and journalists of daily press and computer magazines. We also had the chance to show our products in a 30-minute presentation. Best-seller of the present retailers Soft 3 and Virtual Works was the Catweasel MK3, that became the first choice accessory for many Amiga One owners because of it's high degree of integration into the hard- and software of the new Amiga.

A small Retro-computing museum right at the entrance of the showroom brought back joyful memories in the visitors. Rare items like an SX-64 in best shape, a VIC-20 rev.1, and even a C65 prototype were shown. One of the first multi-computer games (today's networking games) was shown on two PET computers that were connected through the serial ports. The home computer pioneer Altair 8800 from 1975 was the only none-Commodore computer.

The "Video Microwave", a Pegasos-board that was built in the case of a Sharp Microwave oven, was - at best - good for a laugh. The keyboard did not work at all, and it only took a few mouseclicks to make the computer with the MorphOS operating system crash. The reason for this could not be found in the short time of the show.

Commodore Billboard back online

Our good news for the fans of Commodore nostalgia almost got lost in the excitement surrounding Amiga OS4: The Commodore Billboard is back online! The initiator of the project, Søren Ladegaard (Denmark) had to drop the project due to lack of time in January 2003, and transferred the website to individual Computers. We're now sponsoring the website that can cause a lot of traffic with it's several hundred megabytes in size. During the past half year, the new webmaster Stefan Zelazny has converted the audio and video files to mpeg and mp3, so the website can be viewed on most platforms. For example, the Realplayer is not necessary any more.
Currently, the website is available under the address www.commodorebillboard.de. The .com domain will be made available in the coming weeks.
If you're interested in a local copy of the website, you can support us in paying for the high cost of the website by ordering the CD. It will be available in august this year from all our retail partners for about 15,- EUR. The double-CD package also contains some surprises for Commodore-fans!
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jul-2003 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Johan Rönnblom):
Come on Johan. Make an effort to read the original comments. Dammy made the idiotic remark that "Until it IS released to the public, it's vaporware."
The work in progress has been shown to the public for crying out loud...
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Posted by DaveP on 09-Jul-2003 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Anonymous):
Released, as in on sale.

I saw a BoXeR prototype, I knew work was going on, I even put money down, but it was vapourware. The Last Ninja 2 for the spectrum falls into the category too ;-)

I agree with Dammys definition, in fact it is one I put to him on MooBunny a few months back ( with squeals of protest from him and a few others ), until its on sale - its vapourware. Harsh, but reality - and even more the reality in the fragile Amiga market.

I KNOW what AOS4 is doing, what its development and testing method is ( to you that one Gary ) however for the benefit of the real world (TM) both it and MorphOS are in beta and until they are released as GA products then - sadly - to the real world they are vapourware.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 09-Jul-2003 11:29 GMT
I know about the Video Microwave. It was actually in my hotel room at CES in Las Vegas in January. It is strictly eye-candy or an attention getter and is not really representative of the Pegasos computers. That video microwave has been around the world a few times, and even back in January it was flaky from road wear. There was like one person, BigFoot or Thierry, who could fiddle with the connections and tweak the machine to make it work. The video microwave was a gag machine and it should have been retired by now.

What Jens is doing is making broad assertions against the Pegasos "how amusing to see the Pegasos trailing behind, when it was thought to be ahead" based on what he knows is a damaged, non-representative machine. The smirking tone of his comments speaks for itself.

There's another thread linked at amiga-news.de where Jens questions Bill Buck's trustworthiness because they had some disagreement about paying for a hotel room at ARC 2002 in Aachen last year (Genesi reimbursed Jens, but not enough according to Jens. Jens evidently got an additional room; he claims Bill Buck verbally okayed it).

Jens also makes a current sarcastic comment that he might considering buying a Pegasos if the price dropped to 50 euro (about 60 dollars).

He gripes about not selling enough Catweasels to Pegasos owners. I really hadn't considered it, no-one has really advertised to me what this might do for me, but now I don't really care so much. Jens has really alienated me.

Of course Genesi is not off the hook either as far as I'm concerned. They sent a dysfunctioning machine (without a keyboard or mouse?!) to a OS4-oriented convention where this kind of thing could happen, and evidently no-one was even there to represent the Pegasos and set the record straight.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 09-Jul-2003 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
Okay, Some Farker's BBRV Marching Rangers song was funny. ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jul-2003 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (DaveP):
I suggest you read a dictionary of what's defined as vaporware.
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Posted by DaveP on 09-Jul-2003 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
I suggest you do a bit of basic research before criticising twat boy

Try this:


"/vay'pr-weir/ n. Products announced far in advance
of any release (which may or may not actually take place). See also
brochureware."

"<jargon> /vay'pr-weir/ Products announced far in advance of
any release (which may or may not actually take place). The
term came from Atari users and was later applied by
Infoworld to Microsoft's continuous lying about Microsoft
Windows."
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Posted by Ron van Herk on 09-Jul-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Daniel Miller):
>Of course Genesi is not off the hook either as far as I'm concerned. They sent
>a dysfunctioning machine (without a keyboard or mouse?!)

It worked when it was sent and the keyboard and mouse were included.

Cheers,
Ron
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jul-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Jens Schönfeld):
>Maybe if the price drops to 50 EUR I'll be tempted to buy one again. So in your eyes Pegasos is only worth 50 EUR? :-) >Amiga One has it's own Bios, which now contains some Catweasel code.>Since the Pegasos has no custom Bios, certain functions (especially the Amiga>keyboard) are only available after the driver has been loaded from HD. I think Open Firmware allows you to add this functionality system friendlywithout needing to hack and patch the BIOS itself.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 09-Jul-2003 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Anonymous):
it does, all you need is a small ROM on the card itself set up properly. Doesn't need to be big (the OF ROM in a card I've designed is only 16kb in size, and this card does a lot more than the catweasel) so the cost is negligible.
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Posted by smithy on 09-Jul-2003 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (DaveP):
>I suggest you do a bit of basic research before criticising twat boy

The way to shut up "DaveP" and the kind of pondweed he continually makes others read on ANN is to simply ask these 5 questions:

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1057503250&category=web#message16

We should call them the "Snoqualmie Questions", or the "S-Questions" for short.

None of the other Apologists like to answer them either... just like on the above thread, once you push the issue, the "DaveP" soon went quiet. The trick is not to fall into the Apologists troll tactics - they are to question your right to ask the crucial S-Questions, to distract from the fact that they can't, and don't want to answer them!

Everytime we get more annoying Apologists and Fanatics on ANN we'll just wheel out the S-Questions!

The S-Questions are a reminder that reality does actually exist for some of us in the Amiga world.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (smithy):
Since when has DaveP been an Amiga apologist, you moron?
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Posted by DaveP on 10-Jul-2003 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (smithy):
@Smithy

Ah so *you* are twat boy, thought I recognised the style.

I have never apologised for Amiga Inc, nor will I. I answered your questions, because you asked them. Also you will notice I did not "soon run quiet".

Firing with your usual accuracy? Better not get a gun license I dread to think what a mess you will make of your shoes.

You afraid of me or something?
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Posted by smithy on 10-Jul-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (DaveP):
>Ah so *you* are twat boy, thought I recognised the style.

Actually it wasn't - I know how to spell "vapour" for a start, and I don't
post anonymously.

>I have never apologised for Amiga Inc, nor will I.

Apologists don't just apologise, they offer excuses for, they defend for.. it
goes a lot further than apologising.

>I answered your questions,
>because you asked them. Also you will notice I did not "soon run quiet".

You didn't answer them. You attempted some smart-arse replies which weren't
answers. After I pointed out how it was my right to ask these questions and
you and no comeback you suddenly went quite:

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1057503250&category=web&number=96#comment

Where is your reply to this? The thread was still on the main screen when I
posted this.

>Firing with your usual accuracy? Better not get a gun license I dread to
>think what a mess you will make of your shoes.

Yes I am firing with my usual accuracy.. and once again you are trying to
cast doubt on what I'm saying, rather than actually answering any of my points.

>You afraid of me or something?

Don't think so, you sound like an inept troll.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (DaveP):
So, with Dammy's or DaveP's logic, any product no matter what state it's in, is vapor unless it's released. Interesting... I guess Amithlon2 was also vapor then?

If a product is close to release, has been displayed in working state to the public, but for some other reason isn't released, it's just too bad. Not vapor.
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Posted by DaveP on 11-Jul-2003 08:44 GMT
@smithy

Take your juvenile hate campaign elsewhere, I'm not interested.
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Posted by smithy on 11-Jul-2003 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (DaveP):
I see... I have hounded you about answering the questions, and now it's evident you can't or won't, you just insult me? Why don't you just admit that you can't answer them? And nobody else, that perhaps could, will.
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Posted by dammy on 14-Jul-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (DaveP):
> So, with Dammy's or DaveP's logic, any product no matter what state it's in, is > vapor unless it's released. Interesting... I guess Amithlon2 was also vapor
> then?

That's correct. If it's not readily available for the public to buy, it's vaporware. A2 is, with great sadness, vaporware.

> If a product is close to release, has been displayed in working state to the
> public, but for some other reason isn't released, it's just too bad. Not vapor

Sure it is. It's a clear benchmark, either it is released to the public or it isn't and just talked about as if it was.

Dammy
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