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Posted on 08-Jul-2003 09:24 GMT by Lewis Mistreated59 comments
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Magnetic Systems have put online a bunch of videos demonstrating the MorphOS and some proggies/demos running on it. Check 'em out!
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Posted by mahen on 08-Jul-2003 07:52 GMT
Funny accent ;)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Jul-2003 09:11 GMT
Videos are OBVIOUSLY fake. No crashes "in a few mouseclicks" to be seen.
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 08-Jul-2003 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (hooligan/dcs):
Oh come on. People complain about the constant flames - and then there're comments like that which are blatently posted to get a reaction.

Nice videos by the way :-)

Ian
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Posted by MrZammler on 08-Jul-2003 09:26 GMT
Nice vidz, but I was expecting a liiiiitle more action on screen. ;-)

Anyway, looks really nice and snappy.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Jul-2003 09:32 GMT
Magnetic must have SCSI drives as my Yam or ImageFX doesn't load THAT freakin' fast :)
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 08-Jul-2003 10:12 GMT
Heh, I've downloaded these at work and apparently Media Player can't run them :|

Are they MPEGs or DIVX?
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rik Sweeney):
Had the same problem. Was able to open them using DVD players like WinDVD and PowerDVD but not with Mediaplayer.
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Posted by tired on 08-Jul-2003 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rik Sweeney):
use mplayer for winblows and no m$ software
anyway .. i tryed mame and mol videos (with sound disabled cause of
the radio) and they are very boring
-mame video show only an old galaga game for a few seconds
-mol video show macos booting and a static desktop screen then it
display a kind of photo album

in any case it's not worth the download (28mo each)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 10:44 GMT
I can confirm that the movies play well in FroggerNG (Amiga),
complete with sound.

Wow! Seeing MOS live makes it look a lot better than just static
screenshots. The speed of the GUI is just fantastic. Very cool:)
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Posted by Richi on 08-Jul-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rik Sweeney):
I ahve the same problem!
What should i use?
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Posted by Richi on 08-Jul-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rik Sweeney):
BTW i used also Crystal player (another player for Windows) and it can't play them either!!
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Posted by HammerD on 08-Jul-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Richi):
RealOne player for Windows plays the videos no problem...Windows media player crashes!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ian Shurmer):
@ Ian Shurmer

Comment 2 was defensive, not offensive. Couldn't possibly come any flames out of this ... or could it?
;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Yes, it's freakin fast alright! Thanks for the videos.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (hooligan/dcs):
My YAM load faster :)
And I have over 10.000 messages.
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Posted by T_Bone on 08-Jul-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Richi):
It's standard Mpeg, donno what the problem could be? If Windows mediaplayer Mpeg isn't working you could try installing a DVD player that should be able to handle just about any Mpeg.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma

;-)

We shall see :)

Ian
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Jul-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (takemehomegrandma):
@TMHG

Naah.. Comment 2 was just supposed to be funny. Guess I should keep my dayjob and forget the career in Saturday Night Live.
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Posted by pascal on 08-Jul-2003 12:09 GMT
WMP, real and Winamp refused to open the files. Quicktime crashed on it. I finally had them working with PowerDVD but I doubt many windows will be as insistant as me, which is a bad thing if the objective is to attract people's attention outside of the amiga realm.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (pascal):
> ... which is a bad thing if the objective is to attract people's attention
> outside of the amiga realm.

They all opens up just fine in both Winamp and Windows Mediaplayer here ...
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Posted by T_Bone on 08-Jul-2003 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (pascal):
" WMP, real and Winamp refused to open the files. Quicktime crashed on it. I finally had them working with PowerDVD but I doubt many windows will be as insistant as me, which is a bad thing if the objective is to attract people's attention outside of the amiga realm."

Somethings not right. mpeg should be working on just about every platform. there's a program floating around called "Gspot" which will let you look at the 4cc code to determine AVI codecs, and will show you directshow information for mpeg filters, and it seems to think that this is bog standard mpeg.

I couldn't get it not to work no matter what I tried. It's possible directshow on your machine is acting up from a patch made by one of those binary patch mp4 programs (angelpotion?) but I'm not too familiar with them.

Strange that your DVD player can play it but WMediaplayer can! WMPlayer should be able to play ANYTHING once the DVD player has registered it's filters with directshow, even DVD's. I blame directshow! :)

Idonno. I guess we could batch out a divx version, and possibly an ASCII version for suitably fubared Windows boxes :)
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Posted by Richi on 08-Jul-2003 13:59 GMT
Windows media player can't play it but FroggerNG can!
One point to Amiga!
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Posted by cv643d on 08-Jul-2003 14:38 GMT
I cant watch these videos and I cant be bothered to find a player that can but I want to watch them. Could the author please redo them in a format suitable for all platforms.

This reminds me of those few Amiga sites that have a javascript that refuses access to Internet Explorer.
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Posted by magnetic on 08-Jul-2003 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (cv643d):
Hi All
Thanks for your comments and I appreciate the criticism and compliments. @hooligan comment 2 was funny. @windoze users - Its pretty weird they are Industry Standard MPEG1 videos - should be playble with all players. After site was uploaded ppl started to tell me windoze media player didnt play them.. thats ridiculous. I'm sorry about that. I dont have time right now but maybe someone can change them to divx format for me or something? All the more reason to get a Pegasos and Morphos no need to use Windoze and pcs! :)
magnetic
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 15:51 GMT
Very nice video's and quick system. ImageFX effect timings seem to be very close to my Athlon 2200+ system running Amiga Forever. Good job guys.

I'm needing a new computer this Oct-Nov... 3 runners currently are PegasOS, due mostly to these videos, AmigaOne (assuming Amiga has an AmigaOS4.0 released) or Amd Athlon64 w/ Amiga Forever.... We'll see what Aug-Sept brings in the marketplace.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (hooligan/dcs):
> Magnetic must have SCSI drives as my Yam or ImageFX doesn't load THAT freakin' fast :)

Same experience here after installing MorphOS, then had the bright idea to massively increase the number of buffers in the partitioning program for SFS, and suddenly things started to fly (plain IDE) :-) No idea why such a critical detail is not mentioned in the installation sheet, the difference is like night and day.
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Posted by magnetic on 08-Jul-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Well the problem with OS4 for A1 (if it happens) and Amithlon is that you will only be able to run classic OS3.x apps. That is until somenone makes OS4 applications, which is tough because it doesnt exsist yet to develop on! Amithlon can only run the classic apps and MOrphOS has tons of native applications currently and in the future! Also, MOS runs Warpup/PowerUp (Amiga ppc) programs and OS4 does not! So the clear choice is Pegasos/mos!
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Posted by Ian Shurmer on 08-Jul-2003 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (magnetic):
"MOrphOS has tons of native applications currently and in the future!"

Tonnes? Are you sure about that?

"Also, MOS runs Warpup/PowerUp (Amiga ppc) programs and OS4 does not!"

OS4 does not? Are you sure about that?

Ian
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Jul-2003 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (hooligan/dcs):
LOL

Sounds like a plan ;)

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Jul-2003 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ian Shurmer):
In it's current shape (read this as last month) AOS4 didn't run them yet, they are currently still examining how to best implement it.

However, they didn't say it will never work, so it's a bogus argument

Cheers
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Posted by Nate Downes on 08-Jul-2003 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (hooligan/dcs):
it's that fast for me, but I'm running SFS w/ a very high-end hard drive as the single unit on the bus.
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Posted by ThePlayer on 08-Jul-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
How massively did you increase the number of buffers in the partitioning program for SFS?
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Posted by Roj on 08-Jul-2003 18:35 GMT
The ImageFX video lets me know my system isn't THAT outdated yet. I've got three high-end SCSI drives connected to my CSPPC. Each one tops out a little over 30MB/sec and IFX and YAM load every bit as fast here as they did in the MorphOS video. The processing speed of IFX doesn't come close, even with the IFX PPC package, but at least my drive speed still holds its own, for whatever that's worth.
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Posted by magnetic on 08-Jul-2003 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (ThePlayer):
I have 800 for SFS buffers on each drive. This of course makes a differance.
-To the Cyberstorm owner - how are you getting 30/mb a sec? I have a Baraccuda and a Cheetah on my Cyberstorm and I dont get that rate. Please describe it. Also, Image Fx will be MUCh faster with Trance JIT Emulation.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (ThePlayer):
>How massively did you increase the number of buffers in the partitioning program for SFS?

I have randomly decided to use 512 buffers for the 512 MB MorphOS system partition. Maybe you should ask somebody who knows what that number means ;-) But I can confirm that this with 512 buffers, the speed of installations etc. has *massively* improved. I have a 40 GB Barracuda IDE.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2003 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
> partitioning program for SFS

PS: with that I mean the SCSI config program of MorphOS in system:tools, doubleclick on an SFS partition in the partitions list and set the "buffers" field.
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Posted by Roj on 08-Jul-2003 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (magnetic):
I've got three WD 9150 10kRPM ultrawide drives and high-end cabling and terminators. I set each drive up with UnitControl according to the SCSI specifications along with the suggestions given in the Unitcontrol docs.

In UnitControl:
15 Bytes/Handshake
40 Synchron MB/s

In the SCSI preboot menu:
8 Transfer Offset
6MHz Sync Period.
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 08-Jul-2003 21:56 GMT
On another note, IFX runs about twice as
fast in most areas if you are using the
PPC modules that are available from
NovaDesign and I expect the JIT to raise
the speed several times over too. My Yam
opens just as quick with about 7000 emails.
All the native apps really blaze and 68k apps
are quick too. One of the most common responses
when I show this system to others is:
"it's just sooo fast compared to my computer!" :)

The videos work perfect on FroggerNG
MorphOS native version, they appear to be
quite standard MPEG files. About buffers, I
think you can use the standard "Addbuffers"
command to add more buffers at any time, I
have this in my startup-sequence by default.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 22:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (magnetic):
> After site was uploaded ppl started to tell me windoze media player didnt
> play them.. thats ridiculous.

Well, as I said before, they all plays just fine in both Winamp and Windows Mediaplayer here! I am using Windwos XP (SP1), Winamp 3.0d (build 488), Windows Media Player 8.00.00.4487.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jul-2003 22:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (ThePlayer):
> How massively did you increase the number of buffers in the partitioning
> program for SFS?

The "MorphOS / Pegasos - QUICKSTART Guide" v2.5 tells you to set the buffer to 600. I don't recall I saw this recommendation in the earlier versions (to be honest I have only looked at the first version), so my SFS partition have a lot less!

:-/
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 08-Jul-2003 22:50 GMT
If you add this line to your s:user-startup for
each partition, you will get a big speed boost:

addbuffers dh0: 600

Just change dh0: with whatever your partition(s)
are called. This needs to be executed every time
of course, which is why you want it in a place
like the user startup.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 23:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (magnetic):
On the cyberstorm I have over 30 MB/s (Tested with Amigamark).
I use a 7200 rpm IDE drive with a scsi bridge.
On the Pegasos I have over 40 MB/s using a 7200 RPM udma drive.
With 8MB of cache the drive is very fast.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jul-2003 23:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (takemehomegrandma):
Coincidence !
I always had my partitions set up to 600 buffers.
The best way is to change it in the RDB with scsiconfig.
And for those who never checked their CSPPC boot menu, setting up a drive to synchronous improve dramatically the performances.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jul-2003 02:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (takemehomegrandma):
They don't work with Mediaplayer or Zoomplayer on Win2k. VirtualDub is able to play them but reports the following error when opening the files.

For mosifx.mpg:
"MPEG:Anachronistic or discontinuos timestamp found in video stream at byte position 28552638, may indicate improper join."
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Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Jul-2003 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Amon_Re):
"In it's current shape (read this as last month) AOS4 didn't run them yet, they are currently still examining how to best implement it.

However, they didn't say it will never work, so it's a bogus argument"

The original was IIRC:

"Also, MOS runs Warpup/PowerUp (Amiga ppc) programs and OS4 does not!"

So it says "does not" and not "will not". I agree that it may be misleading for some, but ATM the statement is true, like it or not. However I'm sure there will be some sort of WOS/PUP compatibility in OS4 as it is almost a must.
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Posted by anymouse on 09-Jul-2003 06:20 GMT
Help,

Cant play those videos on regular PC; tried realplayer, windows media and
winamp allready :/

Complains something about the format?
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Jul-2003 08:51 GMT
Tested playing them on my WinXP

PowerDVD, no luck
WMP, no luck
WinAmp, no luck
ViPlay, no luck (btw the best player there is, scrap all the others and get this baby)

Works on Frogger though just as been mentioned. Odd.. I thought I had all the possible codecs in the world :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-Jul-2003 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (anymouse):
Windows Media Player 9 tried to play them, but there was lots of corruption, and it just stopped a few seconds in. QuickTime just crashed out. RealOne player played them OK.
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Posted by Elwood on 09-Jul-2003 09:33 GMT
And to be complete: Amipeg says:
No match found for start code 00000000 in system layer, skipping.

I think there is definitely something wrong with these files. I wonder what software created them....

BTW, Why NovaDesign don't tell about the PPC capabilities of Ifx on their page ?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 09-Jul-2003 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Elwood):
It works fine with MS Media Player. You just need an MPEG1/2 plugin.
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