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Posted on 10-Jul-2003 01:23 GMT by Peter Gordon55 comments
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I've written a short report about my new AmigaONE XE-G4, complete with pictures and gory injuries. Its here.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 1 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-Jul-2003 00:32 GMT
I just wonder if your ATI 7500 has a fan avoiding the use of the PCI slot next to the AGP slot.
I really dislike the way that on PCI and AGP cards components are underneath the card ! It is very bad for the cooling.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 2 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
The Radeon 7500 does not have a fan (at least my OEM model hasn't).
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Posted by Amon_Re on 10-Jul-2003 04:01 GMT
Well written thingy there, very funny too :)

Cheers
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 4 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 10-Jul-2003 04:27 GMT
Nice review (or story :-)

Also i noticed the fan have been replaced with a Thermaltake Crystal Orb A1178, very nice and lownoise fan.

Seems they solved the heat prolem, by using better quality coolers, who would have guessed :-)
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Jul-2003 04:33 GMT
Nice report. :)
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 6 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 10-Jul-2003 05:27 GMT
Nice review and pictures :)
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 7 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 10-Jul-2003 05:46 GMT
well written and fun! :) i could almost feel the dissapointment when no
drills and dremel's where needed, i usally have those handy too :)
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 8 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 10-Jul-2003 07:28 GMT
lol :), nice report hehe, like the mmmm ... credit card.

Ikez
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Jul-2003 07:48 GMT
Was looking you at #amigascne the other day to ask how you feel about your A1.. got me'answers, thanks ;-)
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 10 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 10-Jul-2003 08:09 GMT
Great review, but why don't you just run UAE in fullscreen mode on linux untill OS4 arrives? It will save your A4000 from burning up it's last few hours on this earth....
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 10-Jul-2003 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Matt Parsons):
Well... WinUAE is no substitute for a real Amiga (imho), and Linux UAE even less so. The UAE that comes with the AmigaONE has some nice apps installed (WordworthSE, Personal Paint, Turbocalc, and some others), but its really rubbish compared to my souped up 4000. Besides, if my A4000 dies, i'll get another A4000 motherboard. Its not going into retirement any time soon, even after the AOne gets OS4.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 10-Jul-2003 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Matt Parsons):
Besides which, I have invested about £800 in the AOne, but I have invested about £1800 in the A4000 (over the years), so I should get as much use out of the A4000 as possible ;)
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 10-Jul-2003 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Peter Gordon):
Fair enough :-)
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Posted by Jon on 10-Jul-2003 08:53 GMT
Good story :)
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Posted by itix on 10-Jul-2003 08:56 GMT
Very cool :)
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Posted by Severin on 10-Jul-2003 09:26 GMT
Lovely review, almost exactly the same experience as I had setting mine up, we even have the same case (if yours has the clear side panel with the central fan). I agree that linux is a pain in the arse to do anything with and will definately be second machine until OS4, my ancient A4000/060 is still trundling along quite happily :)

It's nice to see there are other complete nutters in the world as well as me :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 10-Jul-2003 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Severin):
There is a window in the side panel, but it doesn't have a fan in it. I plan on modifying my spare drive bay panel and creating a new fascia for the CD-RW out of it to make the front more consistent.

Its a very nice case; Lots of room inside (and LOTS of 3.5" bays!), and front USB/Sound ports.
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Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 10-Jul-2003 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Peter Gordon):
I went to Maplin's at lunch today (while waiting for me samosas to come to my desk - Mmmmm Samosas !), and saw something really ace - its a bezel/logic board which presents SDRAM, Flash, etc memory card slots, + a USB port to the front of the Case : it sits in a floppy drive bay - looks ace !
would be the perfect thing for my G3XE ! (30 quid though :-( )
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 19 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Temple on 10-Jul-2003 12:16 GMT
Great story.

I am really interested in your MOL experience as if it works well (not too slow) then I can use that as a selling point for the boss (wife).
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 20 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
I really dislike the way that on PCI and AGP cards components are underneath the card ! It is very bad for the cooling.

--Dude!
You've got to get more hobbies. PCI and AGP cards have been made this way for quite a while. While this is conceptually not the best layout as heat rises and the heat generating things are under the board it's not an issue.

---
If you want a test get a tower system and a thermal gun and take measures of the internal air and components. Then lay it flat as a desktop would be and take the same measures. I'd be surprised if you saw more then a 2 degree change of the devices. In addition, I'm sure the first temperature you measured was adequately within the safe zone of operation for the PCI components and the system. You may want to use an AMD system as they get a bit hotter then and Intel system. Though the Amiga 4000T was a very nice furnace itself.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 10-Jul-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster)):
> I went to Maplin's at lunch today (while waiting for me samosas to come to my
> desk - Mmmmm Samosas !), and saw something really ace - its a bezel/logic board
> which presents SDRAM, Flash, etc memory card slots, + a USB port to the front of
> the Case

You're probably thinking of SD ("Secure Digital") cards, not SDRAM.

Though that *would* bring back the A1000 look... ;)
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 22 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 10-Jul-2003 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Of course with some of the newer cards, like certian NVidias for
example, taking up the space of two slots it would make sense to have
the heat sink on the top.

Just because something has always been done a certain doesn't mean its
the best way.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 23 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Rob):
'Just because something has always been done a certain doesn't mean its
the best way'

I completely agree with you on this point. It would be nice if they'd put the electronics on top of the card. However, it's really not a need but a suggestion for future design. I doubt any company would even categorize it as an improvement.


However, the 'worry' that the heat on the bottom of the card is just too much for a system isn't an important computer concern. These cards are properly cooled with fans within cases built with proper cooling flow.

One thing to think about let's assume 1 company puts their electronics on top all others still have them on the bottom. How will 2 heat sources work pushing air against each other. It'd be better to get ALL companies to put the electronics on top. I'm doubtful this will happen.

My 2cents -- get involved in the PCI-X consortum. Perhaps for PCI-X you can encourage all PCI-X boards to be top mounted.
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Posted by MarkTime on 10-Jul-2003 16:39 GMT
OK another person who believes its OK to steal Mac OS X and OS 4.
("I added the OS 4 just to get your riled")

seriously...all hands up, if its OK to steal Mac OS X its OK to steal OS 4 right?

Right????

IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (MarkTime):
Mmmmm, depends whether you pay for your copy of Mac OS X or not...

OS4 comes with AmigaONE, so if you haven't got an AmigaONE then you must have a pirated copy of OS4.

Mac OS X can be bought seperately, so I guess it's slightly different.

Ian
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
(Excluding CSPPC Version of OS4)
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 27 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (MarkTime):
In fact, how can you say that buying Mac OS X and using on a different piece of hardware to what it specifies in the EULA is the same thing as using a pirated copy?!

To be honest, I think you should give the whole thing a rest. It's up to the person involved to decided if they think it is morally wrong to break an EULA - and no matter how much you go on about it being STEALING (!!!) it's not going to change the persons mind.

Ian :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jul-2003 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (MarkTime):
Breaking a EULA and stealing are 2 different things.

If I buy Mac OS and in the EULA it says for use on Mac hardware only that's a EULA issue. You've not stolen anything and Apple has a right to not support you if you're not following their EULA.

If I obtain Mac OS by some other mean then not buying it then it's stealing.

I read the article and I don't think he was clear if he was going to steal the Mac OS or if he was going to buy a copy and run it.

On my Amiga 4000T I purchased a copy of Mac OS 7 and it runs on my emulator. I have the box, license, disks, and EULA. I'm probably breaking the EULA but that's different then stealing the operating system.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 29 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 10-Jul-2003 23:56 GMT
Thanks for sharing your experience with us in a humorous way. I liked the power tools and the blood and gore.

Thanks again.
------------
redfox
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Posted by ehaines on 11-Jul-2003 00:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (MarkTime):
> OK another person who believes its OK to steal Mac OS X and OS 4.
> ("I added the OS 4 just to get your riled")
>
> seriously...all hands up, if its OK to steal Mac OS X its OK to steal OS 4
> right?
>
> Right????
>
> IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

OK, what kind of *total nutcase* and *insane freak* thinks that:

PAYING FOR SOFTWARE

somehow equals

STEALING???????????

I mean really, you must live on Planet Upside-Down, where people get thrown in
jail for giving to charities, and executed for helping old ladies cross the
street.

Well, do us all a favor and go back to that planet, and leave those of us
who have legit copies of MacOS9 alone. (Which, by the way, runs perfectly
fast, of course, since there's not much emulation involved. Of course.)
OSX might be another story, since it apparently wants hardware acceleration
to run decently, which MOL doesn't have.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 31 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 01:46 GMT
Conclusion
So... there we are. I have the hardware, but i'm waiting for the OS. Oh
well, I'm a patient guy. I don't like linux at all, to be honest, so it'll
definately be a second machine until OS4 is out.

My Conclusion. Someone just bought dead hardware. He doesn't like Linux and it's uncertain when OS4 will show up. It's not even yet started of being ported to Teron motherboards with buggy ArticiaS.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 32 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 11-Jul-2003 02:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
The heart of AmigaOS 4.0 "ExecSG" has been ported to AmigaOne hardware for about a year now.

OS 4.0 for CyberstormPPC machines is getting close to completion. It will be a relatively simple job to remove chipset dependencies so it can run on non-classic amiga hardware, i.e AmigaOnes.

Buggy Artica? I havent heard any complaints from AmigaOne users.. have you?
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 33 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 11-Jul-2003 02:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Anyway, why did you read that article when its obvious you have no interest in the AmigaOne? Just looking for something to start a flame war over?
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Posted by Jupp3 on 11-Jul-2003 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (MarkTime):
Assuming, that there would come some "AmigaOS 4 emulator" for Pegasos
(and why not for other PPC platforms aswell) that enables user to
install & run A1 version of AOS4 (pirated or not)

If you ask me, that doesn't really differ much from running MacOS X on
non-macintosh hardware.

Please note, I did NOT say, that
a) it will be surely done, or
b) it should be done

Just telling my thoughts, IF it will be done.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 35 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 11-Jul-2003 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Peter is an enterprising pioneer.

The platform needs people like him.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 36 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 11-Jul-2003 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Temple):
I have ben doing research in power needed for broadband. Not basic surfing but handling streaming video.

Two people were using 800mhz and 1gb pc's and said they were fine. the 800mhz guy said that sometimes he had to wait a little for buffering.

The 1gb guy said that streaming was handled more by the graphics card than the cpu.

Both machines would have had to carry the overhead of running windows.

Cheap celerion based machine pcs though are 2.2g and mid priced dell machines 2.6g which would reduce (maybe overcome) the windows overhead.
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 37 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 11-Jul-2003 07:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
> Breaking a EULA and stealing are 2 different things.

Yes they are, but not for the reasons you think.

Stealing is defined by the Merriam Webster online dictionary as:

"to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice"

With pirate software you haven't taken any property. You have either duplicated the original disc and installed off that or you used someone elses original disc. Both of these are covered under copyright law.

You aren't allowed to make any copies of the contents of the disc without permission, when installing software it's the EULA that gives you permission to install it. If you don't follow the EULA then you don't have permission to install it, therefore you have violated the copyright.

Although you could argue that as you have bought it you have the perfect right to do whatever you want with it, you haven't & you don't. The price might have been discounted and subsidised by hardware sales, in which case you are causing them to lose revenue on purpose. Kinda shafts you on any moral argument really.

I wouldn't want to go to court using this argument as a defense, although the state of the legal system you'd probably get let off at the same time the guy who breaks into your house and injurs himself will probably be able to claim damages from you.

That said, yeah ok if you bought it rather than downloading it & that makes you happy then fine. Just don't expect Apple and their lawyers to feel the same way ( and the law is on their side ). People go around rubbishing EULA's saying they aren't legal, but the same people say it's ok to download an mp3 as long as you delete it after 24 hours. Whats even weirder are the people that think that redownloading every 24 hours is a loop hole, but that law doesn't even exist.

Phill
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Posted by Phill on 11-Jul-2003 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (ehaines):
> I mean really, you must live on Planet Upside-Down, where people get thrown
> in jail for giving to charities, and executed for helping old ladies cross
> the street.

and you must live on a planet where the strawman argument is king.

I haven't read any message that suggested that any of those things happen on any planet that the poster lived. Just because I disagree with those statements doesn't mean that I then have to agree on your points about the EULA. They are completely seperate and you have taken the post way off topic ( there is probably an alt.abuse.recovery.charities or alt.abuse.recovery.helping-old-people-cross-the-road usenet group where you can discuss these points ).

EULA is a license set up by the copyright holder. By violating it you have terminated your right to use the copy of the software on your machine. Purchasing the software is bad for Apple, they lose money because you don't buy their hardware ( which is where they make their money ). I mean come on get a clue, do you think Apple are going to be happy about it? Supporting Apple would be the only reason to actually pay for it. To support Apple, buy one of their machines. Anything else is just denial to make yourself happy.

Phill
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Phill):
"to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice"

With pirate software you haven't taken any property. You have either duplicated the original disc and installed off that or you used someone elses original disc. Both of these are covered under copyright law.

***
Wrong you've stolen 'intellectual' property.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Phill):
Breaking a EULA and stealing are 2 different things.

Yes they are, but not for the reasons you think.

Stealing is defined by the Merriam Webster online dictionary as:

"to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice"

With pirate software you haven't taken any property. You have either duplicated the original disc and installed off that or you used someone elses original disc. Both of these are covered under copyright law.

***
You've stolen intellectual property and yes you have broken copyright law.

***
You aren't allowed to make any copies of the contents of the disc without permission,
***
Not necessarily true read some EULA's you can typically make 1 backup copy in case the original media has been destroyed.


****
When installing software it's the EULA that gives you permission to install it. If you don't follow the EULA then you don't have permission to install it, therefore you have violated the copyright.
****
No you've violated the End User License Agreement (EULA) not the copyright these are 2 seperate things.


***
Although you could argue that as you have bought it you have the perfect right to do whatever you want with it, you haven't & you don't. The price might have been discounted and subsidised by hardware sales, in which case you are causing them to lose revenue on purpose. Kinda shafts you on any moral argument really.
***
No, not really. Businesses use loss leaders all the time.



I wouldn't want to go to court using this argument as a defense...
***
I would feel comfortable stating I'd not broken copyright law but I did break the EULA for the product. Typically breaking EULA results in not being supported by the vendor.


That said, yeah ok if you bought it rather than downloading it & that makes you happy then fine. Just don't expect Apple and their lawyers to feel the same way ( and the law is on their side ).
***
Right because they're pissed you broke their EULA.

People go around rubbishing EULA's saying they aren't legal
***
Never said that just said EULA and copyright are 2 different sets of rule under the court.

but the same people say it's ok to download an mp3 as long as you delete it after 24 hours. Whats even weirder are the people that think that redownloading every 24 hours is a loop hole, but that law doesn't even exist.
***
"same people" I assume you mean all people since you didn't explicity state a subset. Additionally, I'll assume you mean me as I'm saying copyright and EULA are not the same thing. However, I don't say it's okay to download an mp3 and delete it 24 hours later, therefore your statement is false. (And by the way not really part of an Operating System EULA or copyright discussion.)
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Posted by vortexau on 11-Jul-2003 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Phill):
Well, in my own case, I DO own a MacIIsi so if I were to buy OSX - its NOT the case that I do not own a Mac!! What's the EULA say then?
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Posted by ehaines on 11-Jul-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Phill):
> and you must live on a planet where the strawman argument is king.

I'm sorry that you don't appreciate logic. Or sarcasm, or irony.

> I haven't read any message that suggested that any of those things happen on
> any planet that the poster lived. Just because I disagree with those
> statements doesn't mean that I then have to agree on your points about the
> EULA. They are completely seperate and you have taken the post way off topic
> ( there is probably an alt.abuse.recovery.charities or
> alt.abuse.recovery.helping-old-people-cross-the-road usenet group where you
> can discuss these points ).

Nah, those groups are mostly just filled with spam these days.

> EULA is a license set up by the copyright holder. By violating it you have
> terminated your right to use the copy of the software on your machine.

No, not really. In some areas EULAs aren't enforceable at all. In some areas
only parts of them can be enforced. The most Apple can do is deny any
customer support, which is fine with me.

What it comes down to is, just because you make a product, it doesn't mean
you get to make laws. Let's say a company makes screwdrivers. They
include a EULA saying you can only use it with screws made by that company,
or else you have no right to use the screwdriver. Don't you think
everyone would laugh, and use that screwdriver however they want? Of
course. Software isn't any different; it's not "magic" or somehow above
the law. If you really really want 100% control over your product, then
don't release it to the public. Simple.

> Purchasing the software is bad for Apple,

LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!

> they lose money because you don't buy their hardware ( which is where they
> make their money ).

*THINK* man, THINK!!! They don't "lose" money, they MAKE money!! It
costs a few bucks for packaging, they charge $130...they *MAKE* money.
It's very very very simple. They don't make *as much* money as if you
bought a whole machine, so what?

If you make $100 instead of $200, that does NOT mean you LOST money.
It means you made *less* money. This is very simple math! Look,
here it is: I ain't buying a Mac. Apple makes $0. However, Apple
makes an OS I can run on my machine. I buy it, they make $100.

Now, would you rather have $0 or $100? Don't tell me you have to think
very hard before answering that. $0 vs. $100...hmmm....

> I mean come on get a clue, do you think Apple are going to be happy about it?

If Apple really really cared as much as you think, they wouldn't release
the OS as a separate product. They'd *only* bundle it with their machines.

> Supporting Apple would be the only reason to actually pay for it.

Uh...that's not even stupid logic. If a product is for sale, and you
want it, you buy it. If you rip it off, you're a thief. Duh. I'm
not a charity, going around "supporting" companies for the sake of it.
(Which, BTW, is why I've never bought any AmigaInc. coupons, or ever
bought into any of the various "pre-order" schemes.)

> To support Apple, buy one of their machines. Anything else is just denial
> to make yourself happy.
>
> Phill

I'm not trying to make anyone "happy"...not you, or Apple, or even me.
They have a product, I buy it. 100% legal. That's how a certain
idea called "capitalism" works. Maybe you've heard of it? What
if I buy it, and then throw it in a closet and let it collect dust?
Is that against the EULA? What if I buy it, spray paint it purple,
mount it on a pedestal and call it art? Is that against the EULA
too? If it was, would I care? Would anyone aside from deranged
lunatics care?

Or what if I buy it, and use it, and then buy a bunch of Mac software,
thus expanding the user base a bit. According to you, Apple doesn't
want that to happen. Apparently, according to you, they aren't *really*
offering a product for sale, they're just pretending, or something.

Bizarre. Truly.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (vortexau):
You'd have to read the EULA to see if it requires you to ONLY use it on Apple hardware. If it does so and you use it on a computer that's not Apple hardware you'd be violating the EULA.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
EULA must be written in your native language or it is void.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
I don't believe that's the case. The US has one offical language, English. If the EULA is in English I believe it's legally binding irregardless if English is the native language of the agreeing partner (in this case end user.)

Just because you can't read the laws doesn't make you exempt from them.
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Posted by vortexau on 11-Jul-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
Well, in THAT case I'd just place the IIsi DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH the desk whereupon sits the A1XE -- then that OS is ABOVE (or on) that IIsi.

If I pay for something, I expect to use it --- NOT just look at the pretty package!!
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 47 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (vortexau):
Well, in THAT case I'd just place the IIsi DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH the desk whereupon sits the A1XE -- then that OS is ABOVE (or on) that IIsi.

***
Good humor!
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 48 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 12-Jul-2003 03:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
> I don't believe that's the case. The US has one offical language, English. If > the EULA is in English I believe it's legally binding irregardless if English > is the native language of the agreeing partner (in this case end user.)

Speaking of English, "irregardless" isn't a word.

> Just because you can't read the laws doesn't make you exempt from them.

EULAs aren't laws....
My AmigaONE XE-G4 : Comment 49 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Jul-2003 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
"Wrong you've stolen 'intellectual' property."

The concept of "intellectual property" is very new, and while the RIAA and others have been pushing through laws about it, it is not yet accepted by the general public, especially where the "property" exists in digital form.

One reason for this is that the great majority of people do not own any "intellectual property" of any value themselves, while they do own cars, cameras, etc which they do not want stolen.

In other words, the whole concept is seen as a conspiracy by the rich.
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Posted by smp266 on 12-Jul-2003 14:23 GMT
The 'software rental' approach is just another way to fleece more money out of you. I prefer the old approach: "Treat it like a book."

If people are increasing the size of your software market, that can't be a bad thing.
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