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Amiga Inc. started out a competition giving the chance to graphix artists to see their pics published on the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0 cd.
Contribute now and let the world know where Eric Schwartz came from! ;-)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 151 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Anonymous):
Where do you get your information? The MorphOS project was announced back in 1997. That's six years ago. The AROS project was started as early as 1993, 10 years ago. The current owners of Amiga Inc. didn't come into the picture until 1999 and has done far more than Gateway ever did for the Amiga community.

The decision to license the AmigaOS3.1 for emulation was a good decission because not licensing it wouldn't stop such emulators from existing. WinUAE is a perfect example of that. You see, if you get those products licensed, atleast you get some form of control over the use of their IP rather than having illegal versions floating around. Sure, the illegal versions still exists, but thanks to AmigaForever, there is atleast a legal option for those without Amiga hardware but still wanting to support the community.

As for the Amiga user or not discussion, we need to seperate the terms Amiga users and Amiga community members. You see, if I sponsor Amiga related evenst, sell Amiga products, spend most of my time with Amigans, sympathize with Amigans, BUT I don't own an Amiga myself and has never used one myself. Am I an Amiga user? No. Part of the Amiga community? Yes.

My definition of an Amiga user stands. As for who is a part of the Amiga community or not, it's all about beeing a part of a community where everyone has the same interest and works towards a common goal. There is a split in the community, not only because we are using different products, but because we don't have the same interests and are not working towards a common goal anymore. Supporting MorphOS is NOT supporting AROS nor AmigaOS4 because neither is compatible with MorphOS specific applications nor hardware. The same goes for all three alternatives.

BTW, Amiga Inc. isn't the only ones making promises and failing to keep them. MorphOS was supposed to be ready for release back in 2000 already, and current versions of MorphOS still has an incomplete workbench replacement. I'd say we might actually have a complete workbench replacement for MorphOS by the time they release MorphOS2.0. AROS has been developed for 10 years, but I don't want to rub it in for the guys working on it. However, considering these facts, has progress on AmigaOS4 really been that slow? I say I'm impressed by the speed they got a fully working PPC version of AmigaOS running.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 152 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (samface):
Where do you get your information? The MorphOS project was announced back in 1997.
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When was MorphOS a via option? Was this not within the past 2 years. Also, the PegasOS board associated with MorphOS was not a viable product until a year ago. PegasOS probably doesn't break any but depending upon the actions of MorphOS they may I've yet to see Amiga Inc. attempt to protect their intellectual property.

What actions have Amiga Inc. taken to stop either one? That's my point Amiga Inc. has the responsibility to defend the Amiga intellectual properties. Amiga Inc. is not free of input into this situation their actions and inactions have led to these problems. I'm not saying they're only at fault but they're definitely not fault free.


AROS project was started as early as 1993,
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Thanks as I said I didn't recall when it was started.

However, just because something was started prior to Amiga Inc. doesn't mean that Amiga Inc. can't do anything about it. Assuming they own the Amiga name and the intellectual rights associated with the operating system they can still take legal action against AROS and MorphOS. It's Amiga Inc's job to protect their intellectual property.


The decision to license the AmigaOS3.1 for emulation was a good decission because not licensing it wouldn't stop such emulators from existing.
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I completely agree with you. However, my point was never that it wasn't a good decision. My point was that Amiga Inc. has taken actions and inactions that have allowed the question of what is an Amiga User to come into being. Thus, Amiga Inc. has put their stamp on 2 systems Amiga hardware w/ Amiga OS or PC Clone hardware w/ Amiga Forever w/ Amiga OS. This has helped add to the division of what is an Amiga user. Thus, accordingly you don't have to use Amiga Hardware to be an Amiga User.


As for the Amiga user or not discussion, we need to seperate the terms Amiga users and Amiga community members.
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Don't know why you're jumping there. Your point was unclear why this supported or did not support what is an Amiga User. An Amiga User is someone that, at least, users Amiga Applications. A member of a community is someone that associates with other groups of people to help promote an idea. Yes, an Amiga User can not be part of the community and a person within the community can not be an Amiga User these 2 ideas aren't linked. However, your statement here doesn't lend itself to the definition of what an Amiga User is. It simply states a Amiga community member doesn't have to be an Amiga User -- Okay I accept that.

My definition of an Amiga user stands.
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Which appears to be Amiga Hardware w/ Amiga OS w/ Amiga Applications, if I'm wrong then what is your definition? It appears Amiga Inc. has removed the Amiga Hardware equation or perhaps not removed but changed it to 2 types, Amiga Hardware or PC Clone hardware, so as I had said your definition is not the definition used by all users. As some now classify themselves as Amiga Users when they solely use Amiga Applications but don't depend on Amiga Hardware or the Amiga OS.


As for who is a part of the Amiga community or not
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Not part of the discussion and respectively I'm going to stick to "What is an Amiga User".



BTW, Amiga Inc. isn't the only ones making promises and failing to keep them.
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I agree quite a few software and hardware companies have done this at various time. My point was Amiga Inc. isn't free of fault as your statements seemed to imply. So, please give Amiga Inc. their share of faults in the problem with what is an Amiga User in 2003.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 153 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (samface):
Samface wrote - 'Where do you get your information? The MorphOS project was announced back in 1997. That's six years ago. The AROS project was started as early as 1993, 10 years ago. The current owners of Amiga Inc. didn't come into the picture until 1999 '

Following up on your claim that MorphOS was started in 1997.
http://www.morphos.net/news1.php3 shows 'First Press release (1.5K) for MorphOS, December 23rd, 1999'. Unfortunately, the link is broken. I'd assume the First Press release would be the offical announcement for the product. Additionally, the copywrights are shown 'MorphOS WebPages ©1999-2003 ' Checking the files pages there doesn't seem to be any before Oct of 2000. Thus, you're saying MorphOS started in 1997 and it took them 3 years before they had file 1? I think your date is a bit wrong they're about as old as Amiga Inc.

AROS copywrights are 1995 so a bit closer to 8 years old. http://www.aros.org

However, the point wasn't what year the point was though other projects exist it's up to Amiga Inc. to protect their intellectual products and attempt to stop these organizations if their activities are illegal. Not protecting allows them to operate and causes further fragmentation of what is an Amiga user.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 154 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Jul-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Anonymous):
The copyrights has nothing to do with when those projects were started, they are only copyright timestamps for the specific document that it has been assigned to. You don't even know what a copyright date means? My goodness...

According to the missing press release from 1999, the MorphOS project was started as early as 1997. Ask Ralph Schmidt or anyone of the MorphOS team, I'm not lying.

As for the AROS project, I may have misunderstood the history page on AROS.org (http://www.aros.org/introduction) where it begins with "Some time back in the year 1993". However, it is clear to me now that it started sometime in the winter of 1995. Sorry about that.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 155 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jul-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (samface):
You don't even know what a copyright date means? My goodness...
--- Samface don't be a jerk. I was trying to figure out when the earliest indication of those projects existed. Unfortunately, inception date on their websites is not well documented.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 156 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Jul-2003 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Anonymous):
So, basicly you are saying that everything is Amiga Inc.'s fault, even if it is due to things that happened prior to their ownership of the IP? No, there is NOTHING Amiga Inc. could have done to *prevent* AROS nor MorphOS. Furthermore, I find it very reasonable of Amiga Inc. to try cooperating before trying to put an end to these kind of projects. They have succeeded in cooperating with AROS, even shared source code with each other, but the MorphOS Team is another story. Like stated so many times before, there are two sides to a coin. Simply blaming Amiga Inc. for all this rather ignorant. Believe me when I tell you that Amiga Inc. surely don't need to be told that they have an IP to protect, they know the value of the IP more than anyone else (they paid for it, remember?).

As for the Amiga user or not discussion, read my earlier posts. I really don't feel like repeating myself anymore.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 157 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Jul-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Anonymous):
Hey, you're the one that doesn't even want to introduce yourself, so why should I be polite?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 158 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jul-2003 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (samface):
Wow Rude to strangers. I'd hate to be your waiter... No tip for you.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 159 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jul-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (samface):
'So, basicly you are saying that everything is Amiga Inc.'s fault, even if it is due to things that happened prior to their ownership of the IP?'

No go back and reread the thread. I never said 'everything' is Amiga Inc's fault. You had stated before that Amiga Inc. didn't have any fault. What I said is that Amiga Inc.'s actions and inactions have a role to play and they are not faultless. They're not the only one's at fault either.

'As for the Amiga user or not discussion, read my earlier posts.'
I have they seem to conflict so I asked for clarification. Can you select one?
An Amiga User
(1) Uses Amiga Hardware, Amiga OS, and Amiga Applications
(2) Uses Amiga OS and Amiga Applications
(3) Uses Amiga Applications.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 160 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Jul-2003 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (samface):
'Hey, you're the one that doesn't even want to introduce yourself, so why should I be polite?'

As most people use the treatment of strangers as a measure of character. It tells ANN.lu users quite a bit about your character.
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