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Posted on 15-Jul-2003 12:55 GMT by Lewis Mistreated160 comments
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Amiga Inc. started out a competition giving the chance to graphix artists to see their pics published on the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0 cd.
Contribute now and let the world know where Eric Schwartz came from! ;-)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 51 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 15-Jul-2003 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (samface):
@Samface:

True, what are important are the products actually released ... oops...there aren't any. Damn! That is a letdown. And before you start your blind propaganda again...check the shops...there really aren't any. Unless i fly all the way to America to find that stores that stock those 8 DE games which should run ...on my pc. That really is not trolling, Samface, unless you can point me towards some place where i can buy stuff (and no, i'm not referring to the Amiga Boing Ball Coffee Mug, the Amiga Canvas tote bag and stuff like that in the Amiga mall)

@Ray:

See, it wasn't that difficult to fill more content than the entire AmigaAnywhere site together. That was actually my point. You probably didn't grasp that part.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 52 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
You are anonymous because you don't want people to know who you really are while you prejudicely judge others. Here, have a mirror. You need one.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 53 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (z5):
Who said that the AmigaOS4 was already released? I didn't. Why are you pointing it out? Atleast not because it is relevant to the issue at hand.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 54 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Phillips on 15-Jul-2003 19:02 GMT
Calm down, Calm down dears its only a competition. :)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 55 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 15-Jul-2003 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ray A. Akey):
>The comical part about the majority of the trolls here is that, in the earlier
>days, when I was a developer not associated with Amiga, I would have killed to
>have my software or art published on the "Official" AmigaOS CD.

It's not comical... it's a perfectly normal reaction. The only thing comical is your opinion that people should give all of Amiga Inc's statements time and interest. Just what has Amiga Inc done over the last 2 years to deserve that? What? Or is that yet another question that won't be answered by Amiga Inc?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 56 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (smithy):
Survived !! (Quite an achievement)

And Surviving !! (Despite all the attacks)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 57 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 15-Jul-2003 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
It seems to me that Samface is trying to make honest men out of Amiga Inc. It follows that the better value for money that OS 4 becomes the more money AI(and Hyperion) will make. This means more money to pay their debts. So, if I was Bolten et al, I'd be knocking on your(and others) door right now.

>@samface
>do you like so much supporting these criminals?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 58 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael Cromer on 15-Jul-2003 20:58 GMT
If Amiga were so proud of the community, they should give something back to it from time to time.....
But still, they're trying to pump the last vain effort of any Amiga fanatic who would still spend its precious time for a not so dedicated mother Corporation.
The wise move like in the chessgame would let the partner to move its position on the checkboard to make the game complete but since Amiga Inc. (apable) is not willing to put any dirt on ther hands,why should we bother with the dirty work ?
If they want, I can suggest a nice background to work on that CD cover for OS4.0 and this only implies what amiga inc has offered the community since they took over from Commodore : bloated Os upgrades -> unusable graphics apps, absolutely no better printer support, a computer that might even fails before you get your work done (try even to find parts for your miggy) and of course that lousy Annex soundtrack to help your doing your task : what a bunch of gifts I wouldn't even open on chrismast eve.
Having spent loads of bucks on my old classic amiga, I truly don't think asking the community to get this cover done by us should be the best move they had for years: it's like asking a dead horse for a final ride.

Mickael
Amiga wants you! : Comment 59 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 15-Jul-2003 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
i think this is more like an opportunity for die hard amigans to show of their skillz =P
Amiga wants you! : Comment 60 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael Cromer on 15-Jul-2003 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (samface):
"Here, have a mirror. You need one." Samface

Look who's talking...
Every time we talk about the issue of your old workbench grab showing crack loaders you make it sound like a minor issue and now Mister wants to play the Snoqwalmie Sheriff.

Seems like you enjoy being the referee without supporting any rules ...

Mickael, a1200 PPC owner and that's it.

PS : Samface, a pair of jeans never had a zipper at the back, you should bring back your entire wardrobe for a total check up before arguing on ANN.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 61 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 15-Jul-2003 21:45 GMT
Well... I've no major objections to the "compo" itself.

But what I find disturbing is that suddenly there are a lot of people
willing to believe/pretend that Amiga Inc is somehow still a relevant
entity.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 62 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
These "criminals" (as you put it - I beg to differ) probably do more for the Amiga community than you do, Mr. or Ms. Troll. Then again, without an identity to associate with the "troll-dentity" (or was that troll-density?) it's hard to say.

There, I've done my good samaritan deed of the day and fed the lower life forms, namely the troll species. :)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 63 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (samface):
Don't sweat it samface. Those who want to get their stuff possibly included will be on the CD, those who don't, that's their problem. The noise makers aren't hurting this one single bit, as evident by the number of uploads already received. :)

P.S. The contributions won't be removed from the site after the competition ends and OS4 is released. So, those contributions will always be available for download, for those with the bandwidth to spare.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 64 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 15-Jul-2003 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Johan Rönnblom):
I don't think they've been declared bankrupt. Since they are running this competition, surely that's who people are going to talk about.
Do you not find OS4 even the slightest bit exciting after all these years? There's no need to "believe" anymore. (Yes yes apply your chosen OS to that)


>But what I find disturbing is that suddenly there are a lot of people
willing to believe/pretend that Amiga Inc is somehow still a relevant
entity.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 65 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (smithy):
"It's not comical... it's a perfectly normal reaction."

It is VERY comical and "normal" all depends on your perspective.

"The only thing comical is your opinion that people should give all of Amiga Inc's statements time and interest."

Then don't contribute, it's really THAT simple.

"Just what has Amiga Inc done over the last 2 years to deserve that? What? Or is that yet another question that won't be answered by Amiga Inc?"

I am not the one to answer those questions for you. Those answers have been answered by me in the past and by others as well, under appropriate threads/posts, so I won't waste any more time on it here.

This is about the Community Exchange, which is Amiga giving the Community an official outlet for their creations and a chance to get something published on the official AmigaOS CD.

In any case, it's no skin off my back if your stuff doesn't get included, not that you intended to contribute anyways, I'll bet, regardless of the answer(s) you got.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 66 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (MIKE):
>SDK -> $100 for the priviledge of writing software for them to resell

Golly golly what a narrow-minded troll you are...

SDK $100
$50 TAO Royalties
$45 Packaging, manual, shipping

OHMYGOD! Amiga is making a whole $5 out of it. Hurry call the DOJ!
Amiga wants you! : Comment 67 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 15-Jul-2003 22:06 GMT
Ever hear of Aminet?

You can post all sorts of Amiga related stuff and you don't have to wait for some crippled company to some day come out with a product.

The fact of the matter is that i'd be more of an insult to have something included on a product that is mainly proprietary where others make money off of it but you only help top market it w/o pay.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 68 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 22:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
For god's sake, let's be realistic. Who gives a damn about images created by others? Like you're gonna look at them 24/7. If they had to pay the author for contributions then the price of the product would have to go up. The fact that people here are bitching for something like this just shows how low ANN and people in this so called "community" have fallen. You whiners should all go to hell.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 69 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
ROTFL

You SERIOUSLY think that of the $100 AInc took from those of us daft enough to buy the buggy, incomplete and nevre properly updated SDK, $50 went to TAO? Pull the other one, dumbass.

Oh, and $45 for manuals and distribution? Get real.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 70 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael Cromer on 15-Jul-2003 22:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
What the fuss is all about that cover artwork ?
I simply don't give a single damn when it's about the cover : when we've seen the os 3.5 and os 3.9, they surely didn't ask for community input on those ones.
Maybe they are too focussed on the content itself that they have to leave the artwork to third party but then..hey, once we've seen a corporate website showing mostly boing ball icons, they surelly spot their weakness in handling that so called community : no more fun to feed the Amiga fanatics so therefore a less atractive concept from Amiga itself.
A white cover with amigaOS handwritten on it is fine, it doesn't have any impact on the content itself :that's all we care about.

They never ask any input if, by example, we would like to have a PS2 keyboard with amiga stickers instead of the windows one. This is a very low cost project that amiga inc could have at least undertaken in the name of Amiga community. But since their primary business is targetted to cell phones, why should they bother, they've got the OS done...(only hyperion is to thank on this part), the AmigaOne project is a complete mess hardwarewise.

So many deadlines missed, do they want to handle the cover art picture deadline as well..and may be in later we'll get : OS4.0 has been delayed since the chosen cover artwork has been corrupted on our servers, we're searching for the author and this might take some time..." I can imagine so many scenarii...

My personnal cover art picture would be a morphing between OS4.0 and 2004 : at least I'm sure that my picture would reach one day the final stages without being outdated.

I may not be welcome in that community anymore but I don't really care, I know exactly what I've given to amiga since 1985 in time and money : Bill can write his amiga history on a single side (the width ?) of his business card that doesn't impress me like a clueless swedish monkey tied at his boot.

Mickael

BTW : next gen amigas could be actually called Ami-gone if things don't get more serious than that.
PS : a software company who especially states that is not doing hardware anymore must know at least one simple thing about projects : deadlines...and it doesn't seem to be their speciality either....just wonder in what page of the yellow book listings they are classified in.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 71 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 15-Jul-2003 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Mickael Cromer):
OK. Now can we just let them fail miserably without the running commentry?


>Mickael
Amiga wants you! : Comment 72 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-Jul-2003 00:01 GMT
What a wonderful trainwreck this thread is. Truly, I hope a power surge nails every Pegasos system out there. And a few Amigas, too.

Still, if nothing else the contest will give the Amiga a chance to back slowly away from Schwartz' furry art. *bleagh*!
Amiga wants you! : Comment 73 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Jul-2003 00:55 GMT
About 120 threads ago I made a post that questioned the motives of the Amti-Amiga brigade. For a while it seemed to calm down, but now the pro-Pegasos trolls seem to have reorgansied themselves and forgotten the fact that their feeble attempts to undermine the OS4/AmigaOne project through a series of "sniper attacks" doesn't work and backfires on their own sacred relic.

Please reread my original post and the comments from BOTH sides then stay in your respective corners and debate quality of the FINISHED products:

http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=forum&file=1055872657.msg

I'm sure Bill Buck will agree with my sentiments and call off the lame-brained attack dogs. Yes?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 74 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-Jul-2003 01:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Darrin):
I wonder if I should point out that some of us who are vocal about Amiga Inc don't care about Pegasos either? Nah, why spoil your rant. ;)

Dammy
Amiga wants you! : Comment 75 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 16-Jul-2003 03:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Mickael Cromer):
You misread. This is not for the community to design cover art for us. This is a competition to get your art included - as companion artwork - on the CD.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 76 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 04:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (dammy):
Well, excuse him for not assuming that you are flaming Amiga Inc. out of pure destructive reasons. Try beeing pro something rather than anti something for a change, it's good for your soul.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 77 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 04:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Mickael Cromer):
You've been listening way too much on BBRV and/or the likes of him. The reasons for the delays and broken promises may be more complicated than you think and simply pointing at Amiga Inc. as the devil in all this is rather short sighted. Haven't you ever wondered what those broken time frames was based on?

HINT: Amiga Inc. never planned to do AmigaOS4 "in house" and all the information they ever gave us has always been based on information given to them from third parties. Now, what third party could possibly give such time frame estimates for delivering a PPC version of AmigaOS to Amiga Inc.?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 78 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 16-Jul-2003 04:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (3seas):
Ever try to find something without REALLY looking for it on Aminet? AmigaOS CD contributions directory is a WHOLE lot simpler for the average user to play with than Aminet. I expect applications on the OS4 cd will at least be tested to see if they run, if you download an application (hack/patch) from Aminet and try that on OS4, what's the chance it will work out of the box?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 79 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Jul-2003 05:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (dammy):
Yes, I think you will always find something to hate and slate Dammy, but if you think not being interested in the Pegasos gives you any credibility or excuse to go round the net rubbing people up the wrong way then thats a fantasy world you live in.

In fact, I speculate that the unnecessary animosity between MorphOS and AmigaOS users has been prolonged by people such as yourself, deliberately playing games with people.

I admired yesterday MarkTimes honest post about himself, it confirmed in my eyes a lot of the psychology behind the participants in todays status quo.

Im bored, bored out of my mind reading supposedly bright people using slogans such as "Buggy Articia-S", "On schedule and rockin'" and "Party Pack" as I am sure others are bored of hearing "G3 peg is faster than G4 A1" and "No MAI without April".

It would be nice to have a reasoned articulate debate on these fora. But some people just can't live without conflict.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 80 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by RAG on 16-Jul-2003 06:26 GMT
Oh, this is unbelivable!

Have you lot ever heard of sites like customize.org and the likes?
Take a look at http://www.customize.org/list/wallpaper and you will see more
than 7000 wallpapers (a lot are quality and great lookling).
See? They are giving their artwork away for free! Horror!

This used to be in the Amiga spirit - you know, coding demos etc and distributing them for free for at most, some fame...

But as you lot who are complaining here won´t be buying the Amiga I guess you have also abandonded the Amiga spirit (you wouldnt have to, but I see you have) and only do stuff for money!
Amiga wants you! : Comment 81 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 16-Jul-2003 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (samface):
@samface

">An Amiga user who has spent a fortune on his machine.

A bare bone classic Amiga is cheap, an accelerated one is not. Who made the accelerator boards, again? That's right, your precious former Phase5 employees, not Amiga Inc. So, it looks rather foolish to blame Amiga Inc. because you wasted alot of money on products that Amiga Inc. has nothing to do with. Furthermore, you praise the ones who used to manufacture those expensive products. How sane is that?"

Dear Sir

The original question was what kind of Amiga user I am, and not what kind of Amiga Inc. user I am. And "my precious former Phase5 employees" made a thousand times more for the Amiga than your beloved company. Add to that, I haven't noticed that I blamed Amiga Inc for spending so much on my Amiga... A little self restraint in your rants please.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 82 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by smp266 on 16-Jul-2003 07:39 GMT
I can only think of a war analogy: The Amiga lived, but many credit cards gave up their lives.
At that time it seemed like the right thing to do. Amiga was still a great platform. I think the US$2000 A4000 25mhz 040 was the biggest joke in history vs the $1100 Pentium 100 (or whatever). I think poor distribution may have been to blame on the retail price. The retailers have no one but themselves to blame for sinking Amiga. (Not that it would have changed anything under G2k).
Look at the approach by consoles: Sell em cheap and get the money back on software and (non-essential) upgrades.
JUST SELL THE B***** THINGS!
Amiga wants you! : Comment 83 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Emeric SH):
Either you are an Amiga user or you are not. You are only an Amiga user if you are using Amiga branded products, Amiga Inc.'s IP is not to be associated with any other products. Why is this so hard to understand? Is it really that difficult to realize that neither the Pegasos nor the MorphOS is Amiga products?

Yes, we have the infamous A/Box, the G3/G4 accelerator boards, and many still not refunded prepayments to thank them for. Thank you, Phase5.

The only good products they ever made was the 68k acceleratorboards, but for that you could just as well have gotten an Apollo. Now excuse me for not praising these guys as the only ones keeping the Amiga market alive, but these guys has had no other plans than replacing the real Amiga OS and hardware with a clone ever since they got the idea for the A/Box. That's not trying to keep it alive, that's replacing it with something else.

I respect those who make the choice of going with an alternative, just please don't hide your real reasons for doing so as a way of attracting more people to your platform. It's not honest.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 84 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 16-Jul-2003 07:52 GMT
" Either you are an Amiga user or you are not. You are only an Amiga user if you are using Amiga branded products, Amiga Inc.'s IP is not to be associated with any other products. Why is this so hard to understand? Is it really that difficult to realize that neither the Pegasos nor the MorphOS is Amiga products? "

Now you're getting on my nerves. Who spoke about Pegasos and MorphOS? I spoke about my AMIGA.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 85 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 16-Jul-2003 07:55 GMT
"Now excuse me for not praising these guys as the only ones keeping the Amiga market alive..."

You'd better realize that their products were used for OS4 development. That much for "not keeping the Amiga market alive".
Amiga wants you! : Comment 86 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Emeric SH):
Then I really don't get the point you tried to make by saying "The original question was what kind of Amiga user I am, and not what kind of Amiga Inc. user I am". Care to elaborate?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 87 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Emeric SH):
If there was no PPC boards from Phase5, they wouldn't have to make a version of the AmigaOS4 for them to begin with. No, the development of AmigaOS4 is not in any way depend of those boards, without them they would simply go straight at making an AmigaOne version instead. It's really that simple.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 88 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (samface):
They could even use the old 68k processor while developing AmigaOS4, you know. ExecSG has been running natively on the AmigaOne for quite some time, the rest of the OS is mostly still 68k, remember?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 89 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 16-Jul-2003 08:55 GMT
Oh, so you see the advantages of the hardware you show so utter hatred towards? How great.

You have a real twisted world, Sir.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 90 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-Jul-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (samface):
>Either you are an Amiga user or you are not. You are only an Amiga user if you
>are using Amiga branded products

Utter bull. If your definition of Amiga is the name on the box then you're lost. I honestly think Amiga inc could license a turd and you'd happily buy ten and display them proudly on your mantlepiece.

>, Amiga Inc.'s IP is not to be associated with any other products.
>Why is this so hard to understand? Is it really that difficult to realize that
>neither the Pegasos nor the MorphOS is Amiga products?

Correction. Not Amiga BRANDED products.

>Yes, we have the infamous A/Box, the G3/G4 accelerator boards, and many still
>not refunded prepayments to thank them for. Thank you, Phase5.
>The only good products they ever made was the 68k acceleratorboards

You forgot the CV64/3D, BVision, BPPC, CSPPC, CVision, Fastlane ZIII...

> but for that you could just as well have gotten an Apollo.

But Apollos suck compared to Blizzards. I've used both.

>Now excuse me for not praising these guys as the only ones keeping the Amiga
>market alive

How many Amiga users would still be around today had it not been for Phase5 bringing PPC and hardware 3D to the Amiga? Would Hyperion have been able to release any of their games?

> but these guys has had no other plans than replacing the real
>Amiga OS and hardware with a clone ever since they got the idea for the A/Box.
>That's not trying to keep it alive, that's replacing it with something else.

Of course it is. Just like the AmigaOne is replacing it.
It's replacing it with a modern, technologically superior product, that's the way it works. The people behind Pegasos and MorphOS have more of an Amiga history than anyone at AmigaInc. And MorphOS is not a clone of AmigaOS, it's a new, fast, modern OS which retains compatibility with AmigaOS 3.x software.

>I respect those who make the choice of going with an alternative, just please
>don't hide your real reasons for doing so as a way of attracting more people
>to your platform. It's not honest.

Who is hiding their reasons?
I use a Pegasos because it's a damn good product, it's available and it works. There is a real buzz surrounding it, there are talented, creative people working on it, and its great to be a part of it. It's the first time I've been so inspired by a computer since my first Amiga 12 years ago.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 91 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Emeric SH):
Hatred? I just don't praise it, that's all. I don't love you, does that mean I hate you? No. You have a twisted sense of logic.

Furthermore, where did I state that there would be any advantages with using the PPC accelerators from Phase5? You see, I think it would even be better if we ditched those old context switching, bottle necked and overheated hogs take advantage of the OS' full potential on modern hardware. Hyperion choose to start working on these since they were already available and because they were going to make a release of the OS for those boards anyway. It was a business strategy decission rather than a decission based on a technical need for those boards.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 92 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Lando):
The term "Amiga" is a trademark, not a word for defining all products that is targeted at Amiga users. Defining non Amiga branded products as Amiga products is a trademark infringment.

Oh, I think someone finally figured out why "the name" is so important. Congratulations! You just won a red tractor with optional colors!
Amiga wants you! : Comment 93 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-Jul-2003 09:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (samface):
I see.

So.. a PC user who never saw an Amiga computer in his life but plays Planet Zed on his PDA is an Amiga user because he's using an Amiga branded product.

And a Pegasos user who has used Amigas for over a decade, programmed software, spent tens of thousands of pounds on hardware and software over the years, is not.

I understand your definition now samface, thanks.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 94 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 09:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Lando):
>>That's not trying to keep it alive, that's replacing it with something else.
>
>Of course it is. Just like the AmigaOne is replacing it.

The advantage of owning the IP is that you are in your full right to continue the product line in any way you want. If Amiga Inc. says that this is the next generation of Amiga computers, then that's what it is. Noone but them defines the meaning of their trademark. Don't like it? Fine, don't buy their products, but please don't fool yourself by still refering to yourself as an Amiga user.

Genesi is not offering an alternative Amiga, they are offering an entirely different platform for those wanting to leave the Amiga platform. The AmigaOS3.x compatibility is just a feature for making the transition to their new OS and hardware smoother. Why do you keep deluding yourselves by still refering to yourselves as Amiga users? There is atleast a million former Amiga users out there, you are one of them.

BTW, wether you think the product is a good product or not is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 95 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Lando):
Wether the Pegasos user used to spend alot of money on Amigas and developed for it doesn't matter, the definition of "used to" is "not anymore". There is a million former Amiga users out there using various of different kinds of hardware as well as operating sytems, someone who left the Amiga for a Pegasos is one of them.

An AmigaAnywhere user is indeed an Amiga user, why wouldn't he be?

You know, people like you seem to have forgotten how the community came to be in the first place. You see, it's not like Jay Miner stumbled upon an Amiga community and decided to make a computer for it. The community evolved around the products and the trademark they had created, which is why you define a user community by the products and the trademark rather than on the contrary. You with me yet?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 96 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by rafo on 16-Jul-2003 10:14 GMT
The .ACE archive format is not very commonly used on the Amiga
platform. Why the hell did "they" use it instead of the good old LhA,
LZX or .ZIP (I suppose many contributors use PCs) ? Tryin to aim at PC
users ONLY ?

PS: I know, I know, unace is on Aminet.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 97 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Jul-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (rafo):
From http://os.amiga.com/community/index.php?cat=&doc=contrib:

"Your submission must be in ZIP, TAR/GZIP or LHA format."

What are you talking about?
Amiga wants you! : Comment 98 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 16-Jul-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (smp266):
Taking things, like Amiga 4000 pricing and Phase 5 accelerators (both
PPC and 0x0 only) seems a bit meaningless...

World was different then, and Amiga inc. (as it currently is) didn't
exist then...

And as I see it, why PPC was chosen as "future technology" for both
unofficial and (much) later official OS'es, was simply becouse Phase
5 had brought them to market earlier...

When first hit the market, they weren't recognized as "Part of Amiga
future" by guys in charge (Note, those were mostly different people
than current Amiga inc.)

Likely, that "delay" was one of many reasons to Phase 5's fall...



J-P, MorphOS & Pegasos user and developer (and proud of it)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 99 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 16-Jul-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Jupp3):
Please add this to the end of my previous comment:

"Proudly NOT Amiga user"
Amiga wants you! : Comment 100 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 16-Jul-2003 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (samface):
Err.nothing, sorry, my mistake.

got fooled by the files MIMEtype
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