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Posted on 16-Jul-2003 04:11 GMT by Martin 'Senex' Heine117 comments
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Now available is the first CPU upgrade card for the Pegasos. Taking advantage of the flexible, expandable and open architecture, Genesi is delivering a G4 upgrade card to take your computing experiences to the next level! Pegasos G4 CPU Card

Now available is a processor card sporting the Motorola 7447 running at 1Ghz or more. The 7447 is the latest in the 4th generation (G4) PowerPC lineup from Motorola, offering an improved performance base over the previous generation (G3) series of processors. In addition to a larger cache, the 7447 offers more pipelines, an improved front side bus (FSB) and most of all, a SIMD unit called the Altivec. Altivec offers a dedicated on-chip vector engine, capable of delivering over a Gflops (billion floating point operations per second) while remaining affordable to the average user.

We have prepared a PDF document (4.7meg) describing many of the G4 processor's architectural benefits.

A small number of Pegasos 1 / April 2 systems are available with this G4 card for 499 Euros.

Please contact bbrv@genesi.lu if you are interested in this offer.
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 101 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jul-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Alfred Schwarz):
>>AGP might die with the introduction of PCI-Express, but well... >PCI-Express != PCI-X, Marvell has PCI-X. Right, Marvell has PCI-X.But what does the author want to tell us with "PCI-Express != PCI-X"?There was written PCI-Express and that seems currently to be the technologythat will succeed AGP (unlike PCI-X).
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 102 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jul-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Alfred Schwarz):
>I don't get you point here. Didn't we talk about the early Teron prototypes? The original Teron was built for another 3/4 year at least afair.The Pegasos prototype resembles the Teron design, it had the same (buggy) Firmware,too. Also bplan claimed to have a Teron (which should be obvious).
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Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 17-Jul-2003 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
> But what does the author want to tell us with "PCI-Express != PCI-X"?

That we were talking about Pegasos, Marvell etc. and not about future technologies?
I'm sure, USB and firewire will be replaced by new standards in the next - let's say... - ten years, so what?

Ciao, Alfred
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 104 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 17-Jul-2003 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
> Source/proof please?

I'm really getting tired of searching for what bbrv wrote when and where, I'm sure he wrote it (as I read it) when explainig why the G4 works now in Peg1.

Proof me that I'm wrong...

Ciao, Alfred
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 105 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jul-2003 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Alfred Schwarz):
It doesn't work like that, if you claim something YOU have to back it up, not other people have to disprove it. If I accuse you of killing somebody I have to prove that you did it, not you that you didn't.
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Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 17-Jul-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous):
> It doesn't work like that, if you claim something YOU have to back it up

Yes, in the normal world that's the way it works, but it seems these days in there forums it doesn't work that way.
How about "G3 Peg performs better then G4 Teron" and "Articia is full of bugs".

I'm sure I read that (modified G4 card so it works at last) from bbrv in some thread in some forum and I tried to find it, but as I have a real life besides that I gave up (bbrv seems to have a *lot* of timne writing articles).

So, just forget it.

Ciao, Alfred
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Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jul-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Alfred Schwarz):
How shall one prove he did say something when he didn't?At least on http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=368&page=13I cannot find anything about a redesign. Alsohttp://amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?item_id=2369&comment_id=19779&mode=thread&oder=1shows nothing.Your turn!
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 108 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jul-2003 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Alfred Schwarz):
>How about "G3 Peg performs better then G4 Teron" and "Articia is full of bugs". Yes, just look at the links I just gave. >I'm sure I read that (modified G4 card so it works at last) The problem is not the G4 card, he even says MOS runs on AmigaOne (with OF) & G4as good as Articia allows it to run. Also all G4 cards run electrically but somePeg & G4card combinations have probs with Altivec but others run perfectly.Don't take Kai9's reflections about a possible G4 card fix as an official statement.(http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/thread/AN-2003-07-00025-DE.html) If there were a modification, surely everything should run ok by now?Again, bplan had Sonnet G4 card in 2001 and in 2002 their own design afaik.
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 109 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 17-Jul-2003 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous):
I'm still waiting for the proof that indeed, the Articia is buggy, such is life :(

Cheers
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Posted by Crumb // AAT on 17-Jul-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
One for the router, other for the web server and the third for the office network.
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 111 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Heheheh on 17-Jul-2003 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Amon_Re):
Fair enough, but could this mean that the Peg 2 is about to be delayed?

After all, they were originally not even going to make the G4 boards, and leave that to an external company, no?

Looks like they had to produce a board after advertising it !!

Not the right way to run a company IMHO
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 112 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by lost on 17-Jul-2003 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (MarkTime):
Can't tell anything because they are developing a new one, need more facts to make a conclusion.

I would be surpised if Mai is more than one guy, desigining chips in his basement, probably wears his pajama's all day long.

Is that an extraordinarily bad guess? probably...it is a terrible guess, but nevertheless its a bit like 'the price is right' sometimes the best guess will be the person who just guess Zero dollars, cause the operation is so small you just cannot be too far off from the truth if you stick to a zero baseline.

Mai is a small player, we do know they are fooling around with eyetech and, earlier, terrasoft, so they aren't that big. Hopefully their products will be successful, but not so successful that it doesn't make any economic sense for them to continue fooling around with eyetech.

Get Real!! You have any idea how much it costs to develop a chipset? The Masks alone for some cost 1 million dollars. Think about it
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Posted by Annnom on 17-Jul-2003 21:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
Let's hope they have no Siemens PCBs. ;-)

ewww parish the thought. I can remember when Escom/Amiga Technologies was "supported by Siemens" and some other major players. Yea right !!
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 114 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jul-2003 06:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Annnom):
http://learn.to/quote
Genesi: Small number of Pegasos I / G4 available : Comment 115 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 18-Jul-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (David Scheibler):
You just don't get it, do you?

CE and FCC has rules regarding EXTERNAL INTERFERENCE, there is NO feasible way they can discover crosstalk problems, and there is NO reason why they would want to. CE doesn't imply perfect product, it just means it shouldn't mess up OTHER products. If it messes up itself, who cares?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 18-Jul-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Olegil):
>You just don't get it, do you?

:)
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 19-Jul-2003 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Alfred Schwarz):
> I'm sure I read that (modified G4 card so it works at last) from bbrv in
> some thread in some forum and I tried to find it, but as I have a real
> life besides that I gave up (bbrv seems to have a *lot* of timne writing
> articles). So, just forget it.

> Ciao, Alfred

Genesi's management is communicative, responsive to the comments of users, actively engaged and you use this to criticize them for having time on their hands? What is your problem?!
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