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[News] Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWestANN.lu
Posted on 19-Jul-2003 11:30 GMT by SplitHAM (Edited on 2003-07-19 16:52:05 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)248 comments
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Apparently Bill McEwen will not be showing at AmiWest, according to Amiga.com. AmigaWest Update - July 19, 2003

Welcome to AmiWest 2003! This is another opportunity for the the Amiga community and the rest of the world to see AmigaOS 4.0 demonstrated for the first time. That is correct, Amiga Operating System Version 4.0, along with the AmigaOne hardware, is a giant step forward for Amiga users.

I look forward to hearing or reading your thoughts and opinions on these products. We are very pleased with the progress and believe that you will like the demonstration at AmiWest and further enjoy the AmigaOS 4 experience once the product is released.

Regrettably, my plans have changed and I will not be attending AmiWest this year. I have informed the organizers of AmiWest and they were very understanding. However, in my absence, Amiga will be well-represented at the event.

I hope that you all enjoy AmiWest. I will miss being there, as AmiWest holds a very special place in my heart in regard to my affiliation with Amiga and the community. I wish you all a very enjoyable time in Sacramento.

God Bless,
Bill McEwen
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 1 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 19-Jul-2003 09:35 GMT
I also notice he no longer signs "President/C.E.O" but just as plain "Bill BcEwen".
Oh well... it's a shame he won't be there but expected under the current circumstances.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 2 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 19-Jul-2003 09:50 GMT
Case AmiWest, round #1. Genesi vs. Amiga Inc: 10 - 0
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 3 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 19-Jul-2003 10:01 GMT
One of the first public demo of new Amiga OS and Amiga hardware and the "boss" isn't present.

Another joke from Amiga, Inc.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 4 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-Jul-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Yoris):
"One of the first public demo of new Amiga OS and Amiga hardware and the "boss" isn't present."

It may be the first demo in the US, but it has been shown pretty widely in Europe over the past few weeks.

However, I think this is still best considered a preview of OS 4 rather than a demonstration. Probably enough to suggest how it will compare with MorphOS when it is finished, but not enough for a proper comparison.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 5 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 19-Jul-2003 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
Dear Don,

obviously one can play on words "not demo but preview" "already shown in Europe" etc ...

My point was rather to show that one more time, this "company" isn't exactly what I expected from a company that would take care of the Amiga name, brand and products. Presence of the boss on such occasion is not only essential to me, it's mandatory.

But this is only my opinion and I run away seeing the hord of True Believers (TM) running at me with bats in their hands...

Bye,
Ben
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 6 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 19-Jul-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Yoris):
oh dear me, what sad petty lives you all must lead... If this is the best you lot can do on what is a beutifull day then well, enough said. Me? im going to go sit in the sun and read a book, be a part of the real world and not some bullsh*t existance this place has become.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 7 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Halcion on 19-Jul-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
So does this mean he's not really the CEO? Wasn't that the whole point of the first announcement?

Wern't we told that Garry Hare couldn't possibly be the new CEO because Bill was going to show up and prove us wrong?

Guess what WILL be at AmiWest? Garry Hare's CEO Business card.

To hell with the "I am Amiga" club, Amiga has an "I am CEO" club.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 8 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 19-Jul-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Halcion):
LOL! Samface bait! :) :) :)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 9 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jul-2003 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (itix):
You might be wrong on that one, I look forward to the next few weeks.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 10 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jul-2003 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Yoris):
Ben, you're not even worrying about the fact that there might be other reasons for him not to be there... reasons that you're not given to know...
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 11 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 19-Jul-2003 11:13 GMT
Who will "well represent" Amiga Inc at the show? Legally, they have no employees, and their sole US rep (according to Fleecy) just said he is not coming, so who will represent Amiga, Inc. at the show?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 12 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 19-Jul-2003 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Nate Downes):
Well, he didn't say "Amiga Inc.", he said "Amiga will be well-represented". According to someone at least claiming to be Ben Hermans on Moobunny, Hyperion will have someone to represent them there, and I'm sure that someone will be there to represent the AmigaOS 4.0 efforts. We already know from the Amiwest panel announcement that Mr. Hardware will represent the AmigaOne effort.

Who knows, perhaps someone from the actual Amiga Inc. will show up. I doubt it, but it is possible.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 13 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 19-Jul-2003 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> Ben, you're not even worrying about the fact that there might be other
> reasons for him not to be there... reasons that you're not given to know...

Is there anyone reading this that genuinely doesn't know why he can't attend?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 14 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-Jul-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Yoris):
"My point was rather to show that one more time, this "company" isn't exactly what I expected from a company that would take care of the Amiga name, brand and products. Presence of the boss on such occasion is not only essential to me, it's mandatory."

I would want to see Ben Hermans present when a full version of AOS 4 running on AmigaOne is launched. I would want to see Alan Redhouse launching his next models of A1 motherboards. I would expect to see Bill McEwen at a trade show launching new game packs.

Nobody can be pleased to see the current state of Amiga Inc. A thriving and successful Amiga company would be great to have. Maybe it was never possible.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 15 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 19-Jul-2003 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Dear Anonymous,

maybe I know these reasons :)

Have a nice day (remember to sit in the sunlight and read a book, it looks as if it's very important !)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 16 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 19-Jul-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
Dear Don,

AMEN !

Bye,
Ben
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 17 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by AFOIA on 19-Jul-2003 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>Ben, you're not even worrying about the fact that there
>might be other reasons for him not to be there... reasons
>that you're not given to know...

Maybe the previous Amiga Inc CEO has not enough money to
attend AmiWest?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 18 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Jul-2003 11:51 GMT
All I can say is; some people are really making a hen out of a feather.

<sarcasm>
Have a nice 100+ postings flame thread. And don't forget to keep repeating this as "facts" about Amiga Inc. in every other thread as well. We all are dying to keep hearing about it, over and over again.
<sarcasm />
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 19 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 19-Jul-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
I wonder who the CEO is now? Perhaps Samface? ;-)

Dammy
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 20 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 19-Jul-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (samface):
All I can say, Samface, is this:

It is a fact that with AmiWest 2003, according to their own admission, Amiga Inc. broke yet another announcement.

With their track-record, they can hardly afford to do that PR-wise. They have made and broken so many announcements over they years I've lost count.

Sure, many companies fail at times. But with Amiga Inc. the percentage of failures vs. succesfully living up to their announcements is far lower than with companies that occasionally miss a target or fail to deliver in some cases. For Amiga Inc., failure seems to be their modus operandi.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 21 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Jul-2003 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Janne):
I foresaw this. I must be psycic!!! ;-)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 22 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Jul-2003 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (dammy):
Nah, I'm just the almighty Amiga God himself. Behold my divine wrath, evil troll!
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 23 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 19-Jul-2003 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (samface):
"I foresaw this. I must be psycic!!! ;-)"

No, you're a meteorologist.

Man, you must be kidding. They cancel each and one show, starting from the CEBIT "the official launch of OS4" ending with this one.

Akey may tell me the original message telling McEwen will be there was genuine, but I can hardly believe it anymore.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 24 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 19-Jul-2003 13:08 GMT
I have it on good authority that Bill is busy at home ironing bubble-jet t-shirt transfers onto t-shirts.

All good things come to those who wait. :)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 25 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by paul gadd on 19-Jul-2003 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (samface):
You are hopeless samface.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 26 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Jul-2003 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (paul gadd):
Lighten up, or doesn't trolls have any humour? =)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 27 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Jul-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Emeric SH):
No, that feather is not going to turn into a hen no matter how many times you say so. It's still just a feather!
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 28 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jul-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (paul gadd):
Just as Hoplelss as you PaulGadd as your always very quick to attack the persion & not the comments.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 29 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 19-Jul-2003 13:28 GMT
I expect we will soon be hearing about bankruptcy filings.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 30 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 19-Jul-2003 13:39 GMT
Anyone making statistics about their announcements meet/fail ratio? Might be an interesting read :)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 31 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 19-Jul-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (samface):
> I foresaw this. I must be psycic!!! ;-)

We all forsaw it. We forsaw it back when the announcement was first made.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 32 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 19-Jul-2003 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (3seas):
Bankruptcy!? Only HONORABLE companies do that, when they can no longer pay their bills, etc. Amiga just keeps on piling it on, with people working for free, and creditors chasing them down.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 33 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 19-Jul-2003 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (samface):
> samface :
> <sarcasm>
> Have a nice 100+ postings flame thread...

Please note that your mindless witterings have contributed to 5 of the 30 posts here so far, and that doesn't count all the posts by poor deluded fools who still think there's any point responding to you (err... including me, it appears - ah well).

samface, you have seen the enemy, and he is you.

Gregg
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 34 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jul-2003 13:56 GMT
my god. how ignorant.

the 'rest of the world' has already been seeing AmigaOS4 being demo'd.

Thats what the OS4 on tour was all about!

...a handful of Americans can now see it being demo'd
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 35 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 19-Jul-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (T_Bone):
> Bankruptcy!? Only HONORABLE companies do that, when they can no longer pay
> their bills, etc. Amiga just keeps on piling it on, with people working for
> free, and creditors chasing them down.

Alright, that blow was a little lower than I intended it to be.
What I meant to say, was if you can't pay your bills, it's time to close shop. There's no dishonor in trying and failing, but there's no honor in the way they're trying to refuse to admit defeat, at everyone elses espense, literally.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 36 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 19-Jul-2003 14:23 GMT
Remember, the whole idea that Amiga, Inc. tried to do was to get "partners"
involved in developing software for the legendary Amiga and its more modern
software/hardware updates....As far as that is concerned, it is not doing too
well, the AmigaONE is from another company (part of plan), and AmigaOS 3.9 and
4.0 are from different companies....and there is (i guess) really an Amiga
gamepak (s)...As always, the strength is in the partners...Amiga, INC was trying
to create a company that catered to and arranged other "partners" to develop
for the platform, hopefully building market niches and further expansion...
so they are ALWAYS depending on others to step up...I do think that all types of companies do better when there is broad market support....they own the "name", but the Amiga is really the supporters of it...Microsoft, Linux, apple are the same....Microsoft doesn't write all the programs its computers run, and they don't manufacture the aftermarket add-ons, neither does Linux, or Apple/Mac....don't expect Amiga to do the same. If there is hope, Amiga OS 4.0 can come out, be a relative success and allow Hyperion/Eyetech and others to start getting new, innovative hardware, and apps for the platform. Amiga, INC., just wants to collect the royalties on using the name. Don't be surprised if they NEVER show up for anything anyway, since they are not doing the "blood and guts" real work on the hardware/software. It looks like Eyetech may sell more AmigaONEs as "server" boards, and Hyperion may make AOS4 to fit their idea of an operating system, rather than fit into Amiga, INC's plans....
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 37 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 19-Jul-2003 14:29 GMT
well now that Bill has announced he won't show up at AmiWest, I guess this means he will be at AmiWest after all....

so my earlier comments about him not showing up, have been proven wrong.
I apologize.

Now, just who is the maybe, mystery man, who 'might' show up? Can we confirm that was just BS to snowball us on the Bill issue, or is there really another 'might show up' mystery speaker?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 38 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 19-Jul-2003 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (MarkTime):
> or is there really another 'might show up' mystery speaker?

Jeri.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 39 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 19-Jul-2003 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ryu):
Ryu says:

> oh dear me, what sad petty lives you all must lead... If this is the best
> you lot can do on what is a beutifull day then well, enough said. Me? im
> going to go sit in the sun and read a book, be a part of the real world
> and not some bullsh*t existance this place has become.

It might be dark or bad weather where some of the posters are! ;)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 40 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 19-Jul-2003 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (T_Bone):
At whose expense? Surely every AI employee now knows what the situation is? They are free to go elsewhere I assume. So, maybe their continuing is out of passion for what they do afterall?


>Alright, that blow was a little lower than I intended it to be.
What I meant to say, was if you can't pay your bills, it's time to close shop. There's no dishonor in trying and failing, but there's no honor in the way they're trying to refuse to admit defeat, at everyone elses espense, literally.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 41 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jul-2003 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (acg):
Oh stop being so reasonable. It's un-amigaish.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 42 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 19-Jul-2003 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (acg):
And if Amiga Inc. doesnt generate enough money to run this kind of buisness by collecting royalties*, the complete cardhouse will break down. Thats the other side of the medal and something which might happen very soon. Sad but true.


* besides the payout of more than 200000$ to their Userbase (Coupon money)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 43 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jul-2003 18:18 GMT
Seriously, was ANYBODY (with the single exception of SpamFace) even faintly surprised that the liar McEwen isn't actually going to attend?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 44 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 19-Jul-2003 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (logain):
They owe 3,000 (the claimed figure of party pack sales) people a free OS4, they owe the 1200 Coupon buyers $50 off OS4, thats 4,200 copies of OS4 AInc have to pay Hyperion for when it's released. They owe 1200 people T-shirts, They owe the winner of the coupon draw a free A1+OS4. Thats, say, half a million $? AInc have to fork out when OS4 is released. Maybe it's in their better interests not to see it released at all.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 45 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 19-Jul-2003 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (logain):
If one thinks about it, they just own the name and the IP, and the ability to legally call their products Amiga...is the PPC Amiga running a different OS than 3.1 or 3.5 or 3.9 with different chipsets and drivers a true Amiga????
Would the Amiga with a HP-RISC chip or the fabled "hombre" chip been an Amiga?
They are trying to create a new computer with functionalities like the old
great Amiga....even if the make it (which sounds very possible being that OS4 is being demo'ed and Amiga ONE is OUT!) do you think the next Amiga will be like the AmigaONE???

Personally,all I want is something that will run my old Amiga software faster than it does now...and the ability to attach "modern" equipment, and assess
data files that are currently in use....

The next computer will certainly be HDTV compatible with 3D stereo video (like hologram) capability, and voice activated, and will be able to control your cell phone/walkie talkies, ONSTAR, GPS, and worldwide HDTV video cams from anywhere in the world...or something like that or better...will that be an Amiga???

One thing McEwen did want to say that they would not announce anything to be ready until it was ready to be sold.....unfortunately he couldn't even make the Amiwest...I heard he has a court date on the day before....also, he would have to share the banquet after dinner talk with some people he might not want to see....(for good or bad reasons)....
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 46 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 19-Jul-2003 18:49 GMT
A company with some IP holdings that give them branding iron rights need not have large over head.

What is the annual minimal required cost of maintaining Incorporation status and a web site? Assuming manual/human work is done for free or a promise in a share of potential future profits.

A few grand a year? (something that a full time job elsewhere can afford to pay for - where Amiga Inc would then be a part time hobby like venture having high hopes...)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 47 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-Jul-2003 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (T_Bone):
"Bankruptcy!? Only HONORABLE companies do that, when they can no longer pay their bills, etc. "

Actually, highly dishonourable companies often declare bankruptcy as a way of avoiding their debts. They then start up again under another name.

This happens quite often with mail order computer companies. There is no shortage of crooks in the computer industry.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 48 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 19-Jul-2003 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Lando):
@Lando

Very bad calculaton (not that I can do a better one;), you forget that probably only 70% will actually buy an Amigaone, and you forget that Amiga will get royalties from the sale of AmigaOS4.

Do you really think they will pay full price for 4200 copies? Their business sense may be bad but I doubt it's THAT bad :)

Still they will have to sell a LOT of gamepacks to pay Hyperion for 4200 copies :-D
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 49 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 19-Jul-2003 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Don Cox):
LOL It's striking to see such conflict of opinion. I personally, agree with the latter. But I guess it depends on the situation.


>"Bankruptcy!? Only HONORABLE companies do that, when they can no longer pay their bills, etc. "

>Actually, highly dishonourable companies often declare bankruptcy as a way of avoiding their debts. They then start up again under another name.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 50 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 19-Jul-2003 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (acg):
My Winblows machine crashed tonight so I really don't feel like engaging in yet another flame war. However, I just have to point out that your reasoning is only true if you would restrict your discussion to classic Amiga development only. You see, the whole point with the outsourcing strategy was not simply because they didn't want to do it themselves, it was more of a "you guys take care of this so the community has something to play with while we do the real work on the true *next generation* Amiga platform" kind of a thing.

Have whatever opinion you like about this strategy, just don't rewrite history. Their intentions never was anything besides producing and selling products and I'm quite sure their intentions hasn't changed since. Every day that goes by without Amiga Inc. releasing any products is due to something preventing them rather than them not wanting to. The only ones that doesn't want them to produce and sell products today would be certain trolls on ANN.lu rather than Amiga Inc. themselves.
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