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[News] Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWestANN.lu
Posted on 19-Jul-2003 11:30 GMT by SplitHAM (Edited on 2003-07-19 16:52:05 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)248 comments
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Apparently Bill McEwen will not be showing at AmiWest, according to Amiga.com. AmigaWest Update - July 19, 2003

Welcome to AmiWest 2003! This is another opportunity for the the Amiga community and the rest of the world to see AmigaOS 4.0 demonstrated for the first time. That is correct, Amiga Operating System Version 4.0, along with the AmigaOne hardware, is a giant step forward for Amiga users.

I look forward to hearing or reading your thoughts and opinions on these products. We are very pleased with the progress and believe that you will like the demonstration at AmiWest and further enjoy the AmigaOS 4 experience once the product is released.

Regrettably, my plans have changed and I will not be attending AmiWest this year. I have informed the organizers of AmiWest and they were very understanding. However, in my absence, Amiga will be well-represented at the event.

I hope that you all enjoy AmiWest. I will miss being there, as AmiWest holds a very special place in my heart in regard to my affiliation with Amiga and the community. I wish you all a very enjoyable time in Sacramento.

God Bless,
Bill McEwen
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 101 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Janne):
The delays are unfortunate, I know. But somehow I believe there is something else involved. Anyway, how about a public petition kind of like Seehund did when Amiga Inc. announced the AmigaOS4 licensing terms? Walking straight into court without even hearing them out first simply doesn't seem very rational to me. I'm even prepared to help those wanting their money back myself. How about mailing me one of those people's AmiPASS username and password so I can try contacting Amiga Inc.? I mean, since you got nothing to loose, let me try and see for myself.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 102 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Paul Gadd):
So, criticizing certain allegations against Amiga Inc. is praising them? That's like saying that I would love someone simply because I don't hate him. Logic is a good thing, study it.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 103 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Emeric SH):
The reasons for why bPlan declined is completely irrelevant, my conclusion that no timeframes would have been broken if bPlan cooperated is still true. Neither you and I know the details and there really is no point in speculating about it.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 104 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (smithy):
But then, the creditors already has taken over according to Bill Buck, remember? Are you saying Bill Buck is lying?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 105 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (smithy):
Like I said; my point with all this is that things are really not as simple and one sided as some people might think or would like us to believe.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 106 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Jul-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Emeric):
Im not sure about that. Flipped back to those times using ANN:

- People were at each others throats over WarpUP and PowerUP.
- PhaseV fanboys were in denial that PhaseV ever did a wrong thing and that there might be a problem with any Blizzard sent for repair to either them or DCE.
- Some people were refusing to call Amino Amiga Inc because they disagreed with the direction.
- Some people were ridiculing Greenboy because he has such a "sappy name".

I don't think you can lay the problems of this community soley at Amiga Incs door.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 107 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Nate Downes):
Neither did I claim to know the details. I've made it perfectly clear that I do NOT know all the details and that everything that goes beyond the information available to the public is speculation on my behalf. Again, my point with all this is that things are really not as simple and one sided as some people might think or would like us to believe.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 108 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
What did they ask and where did you get that information?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 109 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Jul-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (samface):
My information was gathered by examining information from both sides...
Amiga Inc practically wanted replacement of several already working at that
time MorphOS integral parts, full control over the OS releases without
a word from the dev team for very little money, breaking up of bPlan in 2
seperate companies and several other such stuff... These have already been
revealed several times... Now... would YOU agree with those terms if you were
bPlan?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 110 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Not how, but WHERE did you get this information? What is your source? How do I verify what you are saying is true?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 111 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (samface):
"According to you, mr Anonymous. Atleast Ray has the guts to put his name to his words, you know."

ROTFL!

Yeah, right. Like your name is really Samface, yeah?

Kettle? This is the Pot calling - you are black.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 112 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (samface):
> In a reasonable manner in deed...

Isn't asking for what you paid for "reasonable?"
or is not delivering things people have paid for "reasonable?"
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 113 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (samface):
> how about a public petition kind of like Seehund did

Why would people petition to get what they are already legally owed?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 114 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Anonymous):
My name is Sammy Nordström, I live in Norrköping, Sweden. Yes, that is my real e-mail adress above. Anything else you would like to know?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 115 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (T_Bone):
"LOL" is not very reasonable at all, I'm afraid.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 116 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (T_Bone):
To let Amiga Inc. as well as the public know that you are dissatisfied and want your money back, perhaps? As of now, I've personally not even heard of any dissatisfied Club Amiga member at all. It's a bit more rational to try getting your voice heard *before* taking legal action, you know. Besides, it would strengthen your case, now wouldn't it?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 117 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 20-Jul-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (T_Bone):
> Isn't asking for what you paid for "reasonable?" or is not delivering things
> people have paid for "reasonable?"

In the fanboy world of Amiga Inc, it's only reasonable if you give Amiga Inc monies and unreasonable for anyone to complain about getting nothing back from their, ahhh, donation to the great Amiga Inc. You can of course expect the froathing at the mouth cult followers to damn you for bring such a heathen (money) idea up when Amiga Inc is out saving themse^H^H^H OS4.

Dammy
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 118 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by messiah on 20-Jul-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, last time I checked you didnt talk to me or any other person that was involved with the discussions from Amiga Inc. so I wonder how you got the the Amiga point of view in all of this(I could put a question mark here but I dont realy see the need for one).
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 119 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 20-Jul-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (samface):
> Do you seriously believe any Club Amiga member will NOT make use> of their $50 vouchers? Hardly plausible. I believe they never get a chance.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 120 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 20-Jul-2003 15:21 GMT
From http://amigaworld.net/modules/fleecymoss/index.php?cat_id=16

"4) Yellow: I have Party Pack. I'm planning to buy AmigaOne with the latest AmigaOS perhaps after a year. Can I safely assume that I will get the $100 refund then? Does it matter what kind of AmigaOne model I buy; if there someday exists an AmigaOne model that uses 64-bit PPC processor, can one get the refund for buying that?

Fleecy: The voucher scheme is refundable against an AmigaOne (which is the Amiga certified Eyetech board and an OEM copy of AmigaOS that runs natively on it) so if you buy it a year after it comes out, then yes, you can claim the refund. The exact mechanism is still being discussed between ourselves and participating dealers but it will have to be in place before AmigaOS4.0 ships."

Seems to me as if they do plan on honouring the coupons. Now I'm just going to sit back and wait for the usual twats to say "Fleecy's lying they'll never give you $50 off, its more fleecy fluff!" etc etc.

Dammy? Paul Gadd? Smithy? How about we wait and see what happens when OS4 is out rather than passing off biased speculation and blood-thirsty opinions as fact? But then you're all so good at that, and you seem to enjoy it so much. Sad really.

Ian
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 121 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Ian Shurmer):
100% agreed. But then, we're just a bunch of lying BAF's, aren't we? ;-)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 122 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (samface):
> "LOL" is not very reasonable at all, I'm afraid.

Isn't asking for what you paid for "reasonable?"
"LOL" was in response to you thinking it isn't.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 123 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Ian Shurmer):
> Dammy? Paul Gadd? Smithy? How about we wait and see what happens when OS4 is > out rather than passing off biased speculation and blood-thirsty opinions as
> fact? But then you're all so good at that, and you seem to enjoy it so much.
> Sad really.

It IS sad. Why don't Amiga just send out the coupons and shirts like they agreed to before they took everyone's money, and this could be put to *REST* for good.

Easy.

Why is everything suggested as an option rather than the deal *THEY AGREED TO*?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 124 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 15:43 GMT
Hey, he didn't promise, he won't be there...

So, he will be coming!!! :-)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 125 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (T_Bone):
No, the "LOL" was in respons to:

"> May I ask why these people are so dissatisfied in a reasonable manner?"

as quoted in the same post. I asked because there are so many accusations towards Amiga Inc. out there today which makes me wonder what their specific reason would be. However, what I did NOT want to hear is more trolling from people not even involved with the issue at hand. "LOL" is not a reason, is not reasonable, and AFAIK, you are not even a Club Amiga member, now are you T_Bone?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 126 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 20-Jul-2003 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Ian Shurmer):
They can't pay their employees, or rent, how can they honor the coupons? Why didn't the dealers/Hyperion/Eyetech know about this coupon scheme, until after it was presented on amiga.com? It was a desperation move, with the hope that for some reason their products would take off, and they would cover it, and if not, big deal they wouldn't honor the coupons.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 127 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (T_Bone):
This wouldn't even be as much of an issue if certain people wouldn't instigate things which does not even concern them. In case you missed it, that is a hint.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 128 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (samface):
> No, the "LOL" was in respons to:
> "> May I ask why these people are so dissatisfied in a reasonable manner?"

Oh, you seriously thought the word "LOL" was an answer to your question rather than me laughing?

LOL!
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 129 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (samface):
> This wouldn't even be as much of an issue if certain people wouldn't
> instigate things which does not even concern them. In case you missed it,
> that is a hint.

This wouldn't be an issue if people honored their deals.
In case you missed it, this is a hint.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 130 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (T_Bone):
In respons to != an answer

When are you going to stop having such flawed reasoning?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 131 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (samface):
> In respons to != an answer
> When are you going to stop having such flawed reasoning?

I disagree that getting what you payed for is unreasonable. untill such a time as you stop calling that "flawed reasoning" I guess we'll disagree.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 132 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (samface):
Samface i can think of one reason why ppl may want a refund.
And that is to pull out of the aminga community all together.
So all sides lose.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 133 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (samface):
> When are you going to stop having such flawed reasoning?

One thing that may help your arguement, is if you'd care to explain why my assertion that "getting what you paid for is reasonable" is flawed?

Frankly, the fact you think it's unreasonable is rather silly, don't you think?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 134 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Jul-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (messiah):
Last time I checked you were not the only people in your side that knew what
happened... Your side is not Amiga Inc alone...

I won't reveal any of my sources.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 135 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (T_Bone):
T_Bone, the product which the rebate is for hasn't been properly released yet. Atleast give them a chance to honor the rebate before judging them.

"But the AmigaOne has already been..."

The prerelease of the AmigaOne hardware from Eyetech is sold under completely different conditions and is a completely different offer in itself. The AmigaOne Amiga Inc. is refering to is the one bundled with AmigaOS4, nothing else. There is nothing odd with selling the same product through different offers with completely different conditions towards the customer. Odd is thinking that you as a customer can combine these offers any way you want. Eyetech has made it perfectly clear that the "Earlybirds" is a special offer where nothing but the hardware will be delivered at this point. AmigaOS4 and Club Amiga vouchers will be delivered when available.

Now please stop instigating issues that doesn't even concern you to begin with.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 136 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (T_Bone):
1. I didn't even talk about wether expecting to get what you pay for would be reasonable or not.

2. I said that "LOL" as a response is not very reasonable, NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 137 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
But, didn't you claim that this was common knowledge? Then why hide your resources? You're not making sense, Alkis.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 138 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I won't reveal any of my sources.

The useual i got no proof crap card that is played so often by you.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 139 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>I won't reveal any of my sources.

What a surprise.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 140 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Jul-2003 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
Heh, I guess that only Fleecy has the right to say that... :-)
(Yes, he did say it when I asked where he got some information about me... here,
on ANN Luxemburg).

As I said, these things were said in public a million times but I don't have to
say where they originated from, risking my own reliability...
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 141 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Anonymous):
I think he learned from Bill Buck which claimed that it would be "common knowledge" that Amiga Inc.'s investors would have taken over. LOL!
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 142 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Can you atleast give me an URL for ONE of those millions of occasions where it was stated?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 143 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Dont worry about risking your reliability.

As there is none to risk in the first place.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 144 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Jul-2003 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Besides, claiming to know certain things without backing it up is what is risking your reliability rather than revealing the source of your "common knowledge" information.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 145 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>but I don't have to
say where they originated from, risking my own reliability...

Erm, see, usually you DO give your sources to ensure your own reliability - not the other way round.

That explains a lot of things actually... ;-)

Seriously, I'm sick of all this "Amiga Inc are hiding the truth" (when in all retrospect their business dealings are their own business), and nobody seems to have any sources to prove that they are actually doing this.

*yawn*

Ian
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 146 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Jul-2003 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Anonymous):
Put your name on your post or suck my royal ... :-)
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 147 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 20-Jul-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (samface):
I already told you where to go to get the information, so get off your posterior and talk to Ralph and/or Gerald, two of the people directly involved.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 148 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (samface):
> T_Bone, the product which the rebate is for hasn't been properly released
> yet. Atleast give them a chance to honor the rebate before judging them.

They said they'd send out the coupons and T-shirt a YEAR ago. They've had plenty of chances. They didn't say they'd wait to send them out untill the AmigaOne was released and never have, they were very specific about when they'd be sent out.

> 1. I didn't even talk about wether expecting to get what you pay for would
> be reasonable or not.

Samface:"May I ask why these people are so dissatisfied in a reasonable manner?"
Me:"What's unreasonable about wanting what you paid for?"
That wasn't you?

> I said that "LOL" as a response is not very reasonable, NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!

Yes, your whole "I thought 'LOL' was the answer" was slightly amusing, but it doesn't change the fact that "Wanting what you paid for" is perfectly reasonable.
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 149 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Jul-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (samface):
> Now please stop instigating issues that doesn't even concern you to begin with.

You have proof this doesn't concern me?
Bill McEwens plans have changed, not attending AmiWest : Comment 150 of 248ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jul-2003 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (T_Bone):
>>You have proof this doesn't concern me?

Well does it?

>>They said they'd send out the coupons and T-shirt a YEAR ago.

Woooo! So you could have a bit of paper that you couldnt use for a year, that you'd probably lose anyway! Damn those Amiga Inc BASTARDS! I WANT MY BIT OF PAPER NOW!

:-S

Anyway, the t-shirts are coming v. soon apparently! ;-)

Ian
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