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[News] Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03ANN.lu
Posted on 21-Jul-2003 08:21 GMT by Chris Hodges94 comments
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Due to reasons I will not explain here further (ask me in private), Poseidon keyfiles cannot be bought after 01-Aug-03. People having just bought an USB card, that does not come with an OEM Licence, have the chance to register Poseidon until the end of this month. Support for existing users is NOT affected and will continue as usually.

It is recommended that dealers stop selling USB cards without licence to avoid angry customers buying an useless piece of hardware, until the vendor delivers his own software solution or the situation is solved somehow.

Chris Hodges
Author of Poseidon

Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 1 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 21-Jul-2003 06:45 GMT
Great Thing Chris....


I'l ask for details in private as you indicate..

but this is a very good thing against a certain polish company :)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 2 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rassilon on 21-Jul-2003 06:47 GMT
I guess that this situation has arisen due to the problems Chris has had with Elbox. Whilst I feel that the situation with Elbox is unfortunate, and that Chris may have overreacted to their 'Anti-Piracy' measures, I can understand why he has come to this decision, and its probably what I would have done as well.

My only concern is that it may now promote piracy of the remaining keyfiles, at least in the short term until Elbox deliver their own USB software.

#Please note this is all guess work on my part!
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 3 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Jul-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rassilon):
Well.. Last time I remember hearing of this it was claimed in public (by CH?... I need a ling to this..) that Elbox didn't own even single Lisenced copy of Poseidon. So it looks like Even their company developers were using pirated keys.. So, what could be expected?
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 4 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (JoannaK):
No, I won't do stupid polish jokes this time again... ;-)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 5 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Oliver Hannaford-Day on 21-Jul-2003 08:10 GMT
Hi.

>Poseidon keyfiles cannot be bought after 01-Aug-03.

What about any new companies that make a USB card? Can they still buy a licence to include the keyfile in their products or is this the end to all keyfile sales?
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 6 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Jul-2003 08:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (JoannaK):
@Joanna

Be careful about making such allegations in public. It is possible that your sources are incorrect or that knowing Chris' allergic reaction to the word "Elbox" the developers as private individuals ( or proxies ) resourced valid licenses rather than doing it using the company name.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 7 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Jul-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (DaveP):
Well, good to hear they were found out to be OK. If that's what really hapened.. Moderators.. Please ... I would edit that myself, but.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 8 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 21-Jul-2003 08:44 GMT
@5
no... they can obtain a oem license. np. :)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 9 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Jul-2003 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
Joanna

I don't know if they were or not found out to be OK, I am just speculating the alternative. Knowing how aggressively a certain company defends itself it just seemed you put yourself needlessly in the line of fire! :-)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 10 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Hodges on 21-Jul-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (DaveP):
No-one at Elbox has ever bought a keyfile.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 11 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 21-Jul-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Joël EHRET):
The following was taken from a posting on comp.sys.amiga.hardware

>> I have
>> two poseidonmain archives on disk - one from the unofficial URL that
>> was given in the Spider readme, one from IOSpirit.

> Pardon me? What unofficial URL?

I wonder if this is what sparked Chris to stop individual registrations.
Can any Spider users say what site this "unofficical URL" points to?
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 12 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Jul-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Chris Hodges):
@Chris

Fair enough, but can you rule out them using a proxy?
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 13 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rassilon on 21-Jul-2003 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (JoannaK):
I was under the impression that Elbox had a developer license issued by CH, but after the "Anti-Piracy" arguement he withdrew the license and made it not usable with newer versions of Posiedon.

IIRC It was rumoured that to counteract this action Elbox were using a pirated keyfile. :/

Rassilon
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 14 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Hodges on 21-Jul-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Oliver Hannaford-Day):
I will find a way for other hardware. Will require an Poseidon update though.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 15 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Jul-2003 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Rassilon):
Rumour != fact.

Innocent until proven guilty. Something worth remembering even in the most ugly of situations folks.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 16 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rassilon on 21-Jul-2003 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (DaveP):
DaveP wrote:

>Rumour != fact

Certainly :) I can't remember where I read about the pirated keyfile, and just posted it as I felt that it might be informative.

As I posted originally I heard it as a rumour, and should be treated as such, as per the definition of the word 'Rumour' :)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 17 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Jul-2003 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Rassilon):
:-D

Fair enough, but I could see someone reading that and skipping their eyes past the word "rumour" and then spamming the fora and the channels forgetting that "rumour" caveat.

Mind you, they are likely to do that anyway!

So, apologies if that annoyed you a bit.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 18 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rassilon on 21-Jul-2003 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (DaveP):
No problem, no annoyance felt, just wanted to clarify my post :)
As for the rumour itself:

I am a bit of an Elbox supporter, as far as their hardware and software goes, so I wouldn't post anything that would deliberately harm their reputation.

If you look at original situation from a less 'Flame' infested angle its a lot more clear cut.

e.g. Elbox put some code into there software so that anybody pirating it would get a surprise. Someone found it, posted it, and Chris Hodges took objection to (rightly/wrongly whoose to say!) CH removed there developers privledges, even though there products promoted sales of his own.

Elbox must have taken some sort of action to continue developing, probably buying a keyfile legitimately, thus ensuring future sales for them and CH.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 19 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Hodges on 21-Jul-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (DaveP):
Keyfiles are only for personal use. They are not transferable. There are only three (!) registered users in Poland (does this mean that there are only three Spider users in Poland?). Darek Smietana of Elbox wrote on my question about owning a legal keyfile: "The keys have never been and are not necessary for us to write hardware drivers for the Poseidon stack."
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 20 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Jul-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Chris Hodges):
And do you think it is technically possible to write hardware drivers without the keyfiles?

Perhaps the testing is done elsewhere :-)

I don't see the benefit of turning this into an online courtroom, I don't want to accuse you, or Elbox or anyone else for that matter. I am pointing out alternative possibilities. If you have evidence of piracy, then take it to FAST ( if they still exist ).
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 21 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 11:21 GMT
Hmmm, I'm thinking of maybe buying a Spider in the near future.
Seems like I need to buy myself a keyfile while it is still on sale.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 22 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 21-Jul-2003 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
I bought bought a Mirage and got a free spider to this weekend, so i'll do that too for the 1st of august...
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 23 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Joël EHRET):
But WERY bad thing for the users if that polish company does not want to get license etc. You should not punish users because of what companies do.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 24 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 21-Jul-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Rassilon):
About every single country afaik has laws against selfjustice and malicious damage of other peoples property, which makes the code that was present in Elbox drivers (now apparently removed due to pressure) plain illegal, no personal opinions will change this...

That said, it's pretty damn stupid to implement such code in an unprotected environment like AmigaOS where any buggy program can accidentally trigger the mechanism, so the lame piracy excuse just doesn't hold (legally, morally or logically).


- CISC
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 25 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 21-Jul-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Well, that's why there's now a deadline for the registrations .. if Elbox continues to sell hardware with unlicensed drivers after that deadline, they are the ones that are punishing their customers...


- CISC
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 26 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 21-Jul-2003 13:42 GMT
Elbox has absurd support policies....
they recommend using P96 but won't supply it, they even direct you to download the driver's from Matay's website, that Matay supplies for their prometheus customers.

You know I like Elbox in a one way...they produce neat hardware, and I hope they will produce more...and I don't care that they trash RDB blocks of people who pirate software.

The problem is, they hate pirating of their software, but never heard of properly licensing software for their own use...at that point they become hypocrites and I don't feel sorry for them anymore.

they are cheap, arrogant, unresponsive....and generally I was glad when I sold my classic miggy that I wouldn't have to deal with them anymore.

I have said nothing wrong, I don't have to be careful about telling the truth, that is protected in every country in the world, and I urge others to do the same.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 27 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
What I meant is that Poseidon guys are those who make users life dificult. Even if I as a Mediator users would like to buy registered Poseidon I can't because you can't register it in the future.

If I would have a free PCI slot for the Spider, I WOULD buy Poseidon. If people use Elbox's Mediator it does not automatically mean people would not like to register poseidon. If Elbox will not buy license for Poseidon, i would register my own copy then.

I just don't have free PCI-slot anymore. I might upgrade to Mediator SX someday though, but ofcourse I really don't like the idea that Poseidon guys are now forcing me to buy Poseidon BEFORE I even have any USB-controller or free PCI-slot for it. I don't even know if I will buy Mediator SX or Spider or any USB card. But Poseidon guys are saying that "Buy Poseidon NOW or then you never can buy it" :P

So I really feel that Poseidon guys are attacking not only Elbox, but also mediator users. :P
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 28 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
One more thing is that i don't have enough money now to spend to software which i even can't use because i don't have the hardware. So poseidon guys are saying "So you don't have enough money or credit card ? Well then you have to live without USb card, you can't register it later" :P "nice" "wery nice" :P
Maybe i have to start coding 100% free USB stackl as my next project then :P
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 29 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
... but you were too quick to blame someone.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 30 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 21-Jul-2003 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
No, Elbox are the ones making their customers life difficult by selling hardware with unlicensed drivers for an unregistered stack, thereby forcing their customers to go to 3rd party solutions just to be able to use that hardware, don't you think that is unfair, not to mention confusing?

I know Chris has caught quite abit of flac for this (and this is clearly not his fault, but Elbox's for misleading their customers and selling essentially useless hardware), so I really don't blame him for this decision...

All Elbox has to do is either license Poseidon (or some other stack), or write their own, it's as "simple" as that .. Chris did not put you in this position, Elbox did.


- CISC
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 31 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 21-Jul-2003 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Blame Elbox. They're the only ones to blame. If you buy any other USB card, you get either Poseidon or an alternative USB stack. Likewise if you buy a Pegasos. Spider is the only Amiga USB solution which doesn't come with a stack.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 32 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rat on 21-Jul-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Chris Hodges):
> No-one at Elbox has ever bought a keyfile.

Chris,

You look like a man with serious psychic problems.

You are invalidating the key bought with you by people as you did with my keys.

You bear grudge against Elbox that they do not buy keys, which you gave them away for free.

Man, something is really wrong with you. :/

Elbox wrote about their keys in the Highway ML:

'I. ELBOX RECEIVED FREE DEVELOPER KEYFILES

Elbox approached you with a request to buy keys to the Poseidon stack.
You have responded to our post that your decided to provide the
keys for Elbox free of charge.

Here is an excerpt from your post of 23.08.2002:

Elbox: So how can we register the copy of the program for our developer's use?
Chris Hodges: You will get a free keyfile for your private use.

Following this decision, Elbox received a free keyfile from you
on 27.08.2002.

The keys have never been and are not necessary for us to write
hardware drivers for the Poseidon stack. The developer documentation,
which we received from you on 30 July 2002, is enough for this purpose.'

The whole Elbox message is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highway_usb/message/870
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 33 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rat on 21-Jul-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Chris Hodges):
> No-one at Elbox has ever bought a keyfile.

Chris,

You look like a man with serious psychic problems.

You are invalidating the key bought with you by people as you did with my keys.

You bear grudge against Elbox that they do not buy keys, which you gave them away for free.

Man, something is really wrong with you. :/

Elbox wrote about their keys in the Highway ML:

'I. ELBOX RECEIVED FREE DEVELOPER KEYFILES

Elbox approached you with a request to buy keys to the Poseidon stack.
You have responded to our post that your decided to provide the
keys for Elbox free of charge.

Here is an excerpt from your post of 23.08.2002:

Elbox: So how can we register the copy of the program for our developer's use?
Chris Hodges: You will get a free keyfile for your private use.

Following this decision, Elbox received a free keyfile from you
on 27.08.2002.

The keys have never been and are not necessary for us to write
hardware drivers for the Poseidon stack. The developer documentation,
which we received from you on 30 July 2002, is enough for this purpose.'

The whole Elbox message is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highway_usb/message/870
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 34 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rat on 21-Jul-2003 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Doobrey):
> Can any Spider users say what site this "unofficical URL" points to?

The URL mentioned SpiderCD is Chris Hodges' homepage: www.platon42.de
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 35 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rat on 21-Jul-2003 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> But WERY bad thing for the users if that polish company does not
> want to get license etc.

This is not true.
It is Chris Hodges, who rejected their proposal.

Here is the quote from Elbox letter in Mediator ML:

'2. One of our proposal: bundling by us or by our distributors the registered
version of the Poseidon stack with the USB PCI cards, was rejected by the
author of the Poseidon stack. And we accepted it.'

The whole Elbox message:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-mediator/message/13629
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 36 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 21-Jul-2003 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Rat):
If you had read the whole mail, you'd have noticed the following:

"It should be clear to everybody that the registration method chosen by
Mr. Hodges for the Poseidon stack, directly with him, is the most advantageous
option for Mediator users (when price is concerned). In this way they avoid
all taxes and similar extra fees, which would have to be added when
registration is performed by the companies selling the registered Poseidon
with the USB hardware."

Which would suggest that what they actually proposed was not a licensed version of Poseidon, but simply handling registration themselves upon purchase, which I can understand why Chris rejected, as it means he loses track of the registrations, not to mention the big hassle/cost with transferral of money...

However, if they *did* suggest to license Poseidon, you have no idea what they actually offered for it .. for all you know the sum was nowhere near reasonable.


- CISC
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 37 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 21-Jul-2003 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Rat):
Chris had a right to invalidate the key and so he did. This means Elbox had to register Poseidon in order to use it legally. Saying that it's possible to write hw drivers for Poseidon without having a key is complete bullshit. This would mean they don't test the driver with Poseidon, at least if they want to stay legal.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 38 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 21-Jul-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Rat):
> Elbox: So how can we register the copy of the program for our developer's
> use?
> Chris Hodges: You will get a free keyfile for your private use.

Private use != commercial development

This was before Elbox were found to put viruses in their drivers intended to do criminal damage. When the viruses were found Elbox' license was revoked.

Chris also has the right to revoke the license of any user found to have abused the terms of the license, such as passing copies of it to other people.

Chris has no obligation to support Mediator/Spider users whatsoever. His only obligation is to registered Poseidon users, and he has the right to grant or refuse licenses as he sees fit.

If you or Elbox don't like it that's tough. Get off your lazy backsides and write your own stack.

As for Elbox statements in the mailing list, I seem to recall them categorically stating that there were no trojans in their drivers. This means that they are quite prepared to tell outright lies when it suits them.

You keep claiming that Chris invalidated your keyfile. Why don't you tell us WHY he did this too (if indeed he invalidated it at all).
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 39 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 18:53 GMT
Chris. If i buy a keyfile for my Spider card, will you carry on supporting
it?

Will you be writing a version of your stack for OS4 or are you now
a MorphOS only person?

worried user who currently doesnt have much spare money at all....
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 40 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Felix Schwarz on 21-Jul-2003 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Rat):
Rat,

I have been following and been part of the USB (software) development for Amiga right from the start. Never have I experienced Chris to invalidate a keyfile or make any steps without good reason.

The fact, that your keyfile is no longer valid goes hand in hand with the fact that you - if I remember correctly - have received a refund. Why did you not mention this? Why did you not mention, WHY is has been invalidated? Why do you have to drop to the level of personal insult (or have you always been at that level)? Why do you keep making incomplete cites and try to throw mud at Chris whenever you have a chance to? What are your motives to do so? Do they have anything to do with the topic?

I personally can't tell. All I can say is that you should think about that questions and why you don't like the answers.

Some people just constantly need to drag other's attention - at any price and without regard to losses of others, hiding behind pseudonyms - to cover their own unbalanced personality. Too sad wasting time with uterly useless and soon forgotten and vanished postings won't bring these poor souls any balance and they need to cry louder and louder every time to get attention. Too sad also all they earn themselves is a steady place in the ignore list. Maybe another approach towards inner balance works better?

In any way, Rat, you have finally disqualified you with your statements here and I recommend everybody to just ignore any subsequent postings - it's a waste of time and energy. Reply whatever you want, I won't care.

Best regards,

Felix Schwarz
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 41 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rat on 21-Jul-2003 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Felix Schwarz):
@Felix Schwarz,

> The fact, that your keyfile is no longer valid goes hand in
> hand with the fact that you - if I remember correctly - have
> received a refund. Why did you not mention this?

This is a lie. I have NEVER got any refund.

I bought the keys straight from Chris Hodges. I paid 20 EUR. After a few month Chris Hodges switched my keys off.

After several weeks from his switching off my keys, I filed complaint against Chris Hodges in the German trade federation. They deal with dishonest sellers. I will inform the public here about the results of this case.

> Why did you not mention, WHY is has been invalidated?

Chris Hodges has NEVER given any clear reasons for switching off my keys, although I asked him several times.

He wrote in his official statement: 'Nevertheless, this is a free update for all registered and licenced users except for one. This "Rat" has to stick to the old version. Support is something bilateral.'
And here is the complete post by Chris Hodges: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highway_usb/message/668

Chris Hodges switched off my keys right AFTER I indicated wrong descriptions in the Algor card specs, produced by his friend, Michael Boehmer.

I wrote about it in ann.lu: http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1048415560&category=news&start=1&29
and in the Highway_usb list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highway_usb/message/667

Finally, Michael Boehmer must have found the error in the Algor specs, which incorrectly suggested that it was a USB 2.0 standard controller.
In his manual for Algor cards (http://www.e3b.de/usb/soft/al_manual.pdf) he does not write any more that it is compliant with the USB 2.0 specification, but that it is compliant with USB 2.0 devices, which is OK.

> Why do you have to drop to the level of personal insult
> (or have you always been at that level)?

I have been cheated by a dishonest seller. Still, I am rather very polite, am not I?

> Why do you keep making incomplete cites

You are wrong. I posted the parts of the texts answering the asked questions. Links are given to complete texts for references. Why are you suggesting that I have done something wrong? What is your intention?

> and try to throw mud at Chris whenever you have a chance to?

I know Chris Hodges as his client and I know what he is worth. I think others should also be warned against his unfair games.

> What are your motives to do so? Do they have anything to do with the topic?

Sure, my posts include clear responses to reproaches given here.

> I personally can't tell. All I can say is that you should think
> about that questions and why you don't like the answers.

Be clear please and explain what you mean.

> In any way, Rat, you have finally disqualified you with your
> statements here and I recommend everybody to just ignore any
> subsequent postings - it's a waste of time and energy.

For me it is rather you discrediting yourself with all these public insults against me.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 42 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Rat on 21-Jul-2003 21:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Felix Schwarz):
@Felix Schwarz,

Instead of attacking me, why don't you see why Chris Hodges repeatedly attacks Elbox?

If you cannot see things through, please find out that:

Elbox is the only company offering USB 2.0 hardware for Amiga. Elbox supports not only Amiga, but also Amithlon.

For whom is it uncomfortable? Who would like to stop it?

The answer is clear:
Those who do not have USB support or have only USB 1.1 support.

See these joyful comments, check the signatures.
Check comments no.1: jehret@fr.genesi.lu and no.27: Jacek Piszczek (Genesi employee)

It is evident who does not like Elbox offering High-Speed USB 2.0 contoller, which are still in the dreamland of Pegasos owners.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 43 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 21-Jul-2003 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rat):
Says the one in Shark+ dreamland.
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 44 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 21-Jul-2003 23:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rat):
Interesting, tell me again why he would like to stop something which would bring him additional income?

We all know what Elbox did and why Chris has a rather big issue with them, and I think I can safely say that most of us empathise with him .. you however seem to have a big issue with anyone criticizing Elbox, even trying to imply some kind of grand conspiracy scheme involving Genesi employees and whatnot .. that one is getting rather old now, move on please...

As for the refund, I do remember that Chris offered you a refund publically, even though he has no obligation to (you can still use the software you paid for, you are just not entitled to upgrades, so running around claiming you were ripped off is just not true, and you'll get nowhere with it), if you contacted him about it.


- CISC
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 45 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jul-2003 23:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
Maybe Genesi offered Chris a refund to cover the loss of this additional income ;-)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 46 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Jul-2003 03:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rat):
First of all : Jacek commented on comment 37 and not 27

Second : concerning me why I feel angry about elbox.. I was first a
elbox supporter, I bought mediator 1200 FastATA 1200, MMCD and a
Mroocheck (or whatever it has been called in other countries).
Concerning support, elbox is on of the worst company ever...The
mediator pass through was broken... I was waiting for 4 months to get
a new one... under guarantee of course...I can add that just 6 months
after having bought he mroocheck, the interface died.... Elbox so
announced support for Yamaha 744 sound cards... I so bought a board,
but support never comes...

On the other hand I'm a good friend of Open PCI coder Titan, and I
know what is his relationship with Elbox... very bad for a coder who
can help them having more customers...as elbox make him retire code to
support mediator in latest openPCI version...

I'll finally add that you should remember the P96 and RDB
trashing code story, too and the never released SharkPPC, never
concepted by elbox...

I just remember elbox employees : we're a hardware company not a
software company... spider, shark, soundblaster, realtek NIC, voodoo3,
oh, they didn't built cards... only drivers....


Concerning the email, i'm helping genesi, yes, but that doesn't mean
I'm an employee...

here's my employer website : http://www.colmarienne-des-eaux.fr sorry
in french only...

So that's why I feel angry against Hellbox...
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 47 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jul-2003 04:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rat):
HAHAHAHHA! So, USB2.0 support is not SO important that it sucks in
comparison with a Mediator system, right?
Damn, that will ruin my Pegasos experience, I will now cry...
Rat... please go away... People are getting tired of you... Elbox
SUCKS, face it...
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 48 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 22-Jul-2003 04:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Let us know when you get another useless dongle, Firewire, working wont you? ;-)
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 49 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan on 22-Jul-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Rat):
>Finally, Michael Boehmer must have found the error in the Algor specs, which >incorrectly suggested that it was a USB 2.0 standard controller.
>In his manual for Algor cards (http://www.e3b.de/usb/soft/al_manual.pdf) he >does not write any more that it is compliant with the USB 2.0 specification, >but that it is compliant with USB 2.0 devices, which is OK.

Let me correct you, Mr Idiot. There is no way today to sell a device compliant
with the USB 1.1 spec. It is not supported any longer. If you sell an USB
device, you _have_ to make it 2.0 compliant. And when you do, you may choose
too make it a low speed, high speed, normal speed or any combination of them.
Don't go into details where you have no clue!

regards,
Stefan
Poseidon licencing ceasing on 01-Aug-03 : Comment 50 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Felix Schwarz on 22-Jul-2003 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rat):
Rat,

I find it interesting that you did not answer a single of my questions (reality hurts it seems). Nothing more to say about you, enough time wasted, case closed. Period.

Best regards,

Felix Schwarz
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