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Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 1 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Jul-2003 22:13 GMT
Hmm, interesting! :-)

I have downloaded and saved it. May look at it at a later time ...
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 2 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 22-Jul-2003 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
I remember this (or similar) was on PD disks (fish?) and had to be removed due obvious copyright reasons. Later it was replaced by program that could generate listing automatically when run on machine with right version of OS (or something... It's 10 years or so ago)..
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 3 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 22-Jul-2003 23:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
/me makes mental note of takemehomegrandma having DMCA protected Exec 1.2 source.

I wouldn't touch this site with a 10-foot pole if I were you. I have reported it and, should Amiga persue it, there is the possbility of subpoenaing download logs. :^P
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 4 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 22-Jul-2003 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
I couldn't resist a click-through for a look at the terms of distribution.
Since I'm already 'dirty,' this should spare others the threat of taint in discussion:

****************************************************************************
* *
* Comments copyright (c) 1989 Markus Wandel *
* *
* Release date: February 3, 1989. *
* *
* The following is a complete disassembly of the Amiga 1.2 "exec", as *
* found on a kickstart disk for an Amiga 1000. Everything is shown, *
* right down to the padding introduced by the linker, and unused code *
* fragments which probably made it in by accident. *

[...]

* The completed disassembly file is not redistributable, and contains *
* code which is copyrighted by Commodore-Amiga, and comments which are *
* copyrighted by Markus Wandel. The source file used to make the *
* disassembly is distributable under a limited set of conditions as *
* outlined in the accompanying documentation. *
* *
* For Commodore-Amiga's copyright notice, see a few lines farther down. *
* *
****************************************************************************
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 5 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Joe Torre on 22-Jul-2003 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
Ahhhhh yes!
I remember it was impressive as well as efficient the way that "program" solved the data distribution problem(s). Ignoring the copyright, the disassembly of 256K of kickass code expands quite a bit. In ASCII w/ niceness even more. Add verbose comments and its not going to fit on a fish floppy (Like Fortran almost didnt!) not even close...
So the cool way they solved et-all was first they skipped the IP issue: it uses the users kickstart as the data source (duh!) and so they *just* freely distributed a script, a skip-table, and a huge comments file about the various modules and guru code. To that add a twist in the skilled handling of a pipe, device.
Something like zo: A scriptfile throttles a customized disassembler output to which is added their comment text, and/or skipping to the next code section. The output file grew and grew (this is pre-harddisk years for most Amigans) as the dis-asm-stream spewed accross the ROM.
They had to skip disassembling some parts like the font data and admitted not understanding some parts. It worked beautifully and was a joy to read, the only drawback was it not fitting on a floppy, or in your 512K RCS fastram, or later, that they never did the same to V1.3! . . ..Hmmmmmm now if I can find the right Bernoulli 20M I'd used, at least it will still be good!?!?.. . . .
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 6 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
I almost found that funny.

Get a life.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 7 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 00:52 GMT
Why don't he simply use the real exec Kernel sources ?

* ************************************************
* ** **
* ** --= AMIGA HOME COMPUTER =-- **
* ** **
* ************************************************
* ** **
* ** -------------------------------- **
* ** ROM OPERATING SYSTEM EXECUTIVE **
* ** -------------------------------- **
* ** **
* ** System Library **
* ** **
* ************************************************

*************************************************************************
* *
* Copyright 1984,85,88,89 Commodore-Amiga, Inc. *
* All rights reserved. No part of this program may be reproduced, *
* transmitted, transcribed, stored in retrieval system, or *
* translated into any language or computer language, in any form *
* or by any means, electronic, mechanical, magnetic, optical, *
* chemical, manual or otherwise, without the prior written *
* permission of Commodore-Amiga, Incorporated. *
* *
*************************************************************************
*
* $Id: execlib.asm,v 39.1 92/10/06 15:31:10 mks Exp $
*
* $Log: execlib.asm,v $
* Revision 39.1 92/10/06 15:31:10 mks
* Added two new reserved vectors and removed on for use in the
* Quick Interrupt code
*
* Revision 39.0 91/10/15 08:27:18 mks
* V39 Exec initial checkin
*
*************************************************************************
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 8 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 00:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:LME-2W0ZQO0J:wandel.ca/homepage/execdis/exec_disassembly.txt+exec_disassembly.txt&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 9 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 23-Jul-2003 01:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
Ummm, Ray, I don't think that's going to work. When I saw the title, my first thought was "naah, can't be" so I just clicked on it. Even though all I did was scroll around and say "wow, it actually looks like the real deal" my IP is now on those logs. Does that make me a criminal? I bet I don't have any trouble finding a lawyer that can convince a judge that it does not.

Please don't throw threats like that around - I bet the entire management staff at Genesi is wondering when you'll show up for a job interview (a man's gotta eat, and you seem friendly to their cause).
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 10 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (CodeSmith):
Codesmith

I think your jumping the gun here as there is no harm in your looking at it.
But it could be to coders working on amigalike Oses.
If your not one of then then dont worry.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 11 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mongo on 23-Jul-2003 02:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
"I wouldn't touch this site with a 10-foot pole if I were you."

You might want to stay away from Aminet too then, it's been on there for almost 5 years.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 12 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 02:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mongo):
Fear not,

http://anonymouse.ws/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.aminet.net/dev/asm/ExecDis.lha
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 13 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 23-Jul-2003 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
@Ray

> I wouldn't touch this site with a 10-foot pole if I were you. I have
> reported it and, should Amiga persue it, there is the possbility of
> subpoenaing download logs. :^P

The same way they pursued H&P selling software containing unlicenced Kickstart images?
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 14 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Jul-2003 05:21 GMT
I see them sending a covert (unpaid) Amiga Inc commando over the ocean and dragging me to the USA... You know, kidnapping is illegal.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 15 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 23-Jul-2003 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Emeric SH):
This source has been on Aminet since the dark ages, and was even featured
in a book (which Commodore didn't care about: by the time it was published,
Kickstart 1.2 was ancient history..)

You people need to get LIVES.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 16 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 23-Jul-2003 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
Im not sure that Ray was entirely serious there. Either way Bill is right, you need to
demonstrate legal teeth in order to make legal threats and be taken seriously.

Mind you, its post September 2nd 2002 so everyone should have got legal by now yes? ;-)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 17 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jul-2003 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Neko):
"You people need to get LIVES."

Argh, no more. (I already have a few)

btw. I think there was a smiley in Ray's original post...
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 18 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by AV on 23-Jul-2003 07:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Well, it seems up there in Germany you have easy access to Exec sources.
By chance, are you from the MOS team ? ;-)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 19 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 23-Jul-2003 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Joe Torre):
IIRC it was never *FULL* rom disassembly, only Exec ... Not 100% sure cause I have not checked my old PD disks in say 8 or 10 years.

Anythow. It's nice to see people like "I'm not a crook" Ray Akey to defend rights of ex-company he don't work in using the law that does not even apply in Canada where he lives:)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 20 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jul-2003 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
"I wouldn't touch this site with a 10-foot pole if I were you. I have reported it and, should Amiga persue it, there is the possbility of subpoenaing download logs. :^P"

Ray, this stuff has been around since the 1980s, at the same time as the "Complete Spectrum ROM Dissassembly" and others. At that time, companies were proud to see serious programming students studying their code.

The Apple ][ came with a printed ROM listing in the manual.

It's a bit late to start trying to protect it now. If it came to a court case, I think it would be held that Commodore abandoned their copyright by allowing the publication of the dissassembly - both in this version and the German book.

Look at the example of the poet, quoted in the recent Naxos vs Capitol case.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 21 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jul-2003 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Emeric SH):
"I see them sending a covert (unpaid) Amiga Inc commando over the ocean and dragging me to the USA... You know, kidnapping is illegal."

If you are in the UK, you can now be extradited to the US for computer crime (ie DMCA) without any judicial hearing in the UK. The British government signed this agreement recently.

No need for kidnapping, it can all be done officially.

AFAIK the arrangement is one way only, not reciprocal.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 22 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Jul-2003 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (AV):
" By chance, are you from the MOS team ? ;-)"

My now, that was funny! :DDD

BTW how's the law suit going against MOS authors, and the "MorphOS is illegal" thingie? :)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 23 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Jul-2003 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Don Cox):
"If you are in the UK, you can now be extradited to the US for computer crime (ie DMCA) without any judicial hearing in the UK. The British government signed this agreement recently."

Lucky me, I'm not living in the UK :)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 24 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 23-Jul-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
> I think it would be held that Commodore abandoned their copyright by allowing the publication of the dissassembly - both in this version and the German book.

Only because I put something in public it doesn't mean you are allowed to copy it. If it was, I could simply copy every book in a library/book store and it was legal. I've seen some computer books with a copyright remark that it is not allowed to use the printed code in it without permission.

Ciao, Alfred
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 25 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Don Cox):
Pure FUD, Don (as SpamFace would say)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 26 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 23-Jul-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Don Cox):
>If you are in the UK, you can now be extradited to the US for computer crime
>(ie DMCA) without any judicial hearing in the UK. The British government
>signed this agreement recently.

This is a violation of our rights as a British subject.
I am sure this would not stand up in the European Court of Human Rights.
The sooner we get away from being the USA'a lapdog and stand up for ourselves alongside our fellow European Nations the better.

(Sorry, OT I know)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 27 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Red Melons on 23-Jul-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Lando):
Well said Lando. The UK government gets away twith too much back-door legislation, usually eroding the rights of ordinary people.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 28 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 23-Jul-2003 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Don Cox):
sorry, but UK falls within European legislation and has done for a long time
(so, there are some benefits to Europe ;-) ) which means that the European
court can easily overrule any ideas this current crappy government has.
thank you!

anyone who reads and understands DMCA knows how abhorent most of it is. and in fact, put to test even by UK law lords, would see cases dismissed

Alan
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 29 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jul-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (alan buxey):
"anyone who reads and understands DMCA knows how abhorent most of it is. and in fact, put to test even by UK law lords, would see cases dismissed"

There is no case. If the US wants to extradite you, off you go, with no court appearance in the UK. The Law Lords have no say.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 30 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by DMCA Storm Trouper on 23-Jul-2003 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Don Cox):
Your all under arrest!

Knell before your Lord & Master....DMCA!


DMCA Storm Trouper!
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 31 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Desmon on 23-Jul-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
@Bill Hoggett

Touche'

Cache Ya,
Craig.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 32 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by kalmar on 23-Jul-2003 11:59 GMT
Excellently well commented code, probably better than the original!

Some background from that site where the disassembly appeared:

[..]

Anyway. In 1989 I knew I'd be writing my own SCSI device driver sooner or later, and, to really get a feel for what was going on, I started to disassemble the OS kernel (known as the "exec") to see how the I/O functions worked. That was pretty interesting - I had just taken a real time OS course at university, and here was a real live one to take apart - so I ended up disassembling the entire exec.

Once that was done, I knew I wanted to share it around, but I figured I'd get in trouble if I started distributing the exec code. So I hacked up an elaborate scheme that forced an end user to run a program and construct the disassembly using data from his own machine's ROM. This way I was distributing no code that I wasn't supposed to.

Fast forward fourteen years, and this stuff is now strictly of historical interest, so I think it's reasonable to post the disassembly intact. If the legal holder of the copyright should happen to disagree, would they please contact me and I will take the material offline immediately. So here it is:

[cut]

This concludes today's nostalgia trip into ancient history. Unlike a lot of folks, I accept that the Amiga is dead and this stuff is of historical interest only! For the past four years, and hopefully for many more, my Linux system has been everything that I ever hoped for in a home computer.

[..]
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 33 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by AFOIA on 23-Jul-2003 14:06 GMT
Now that we know that EXEC sources were flying around
since 1989 Amiga Inc has no grounds to sue morphOS team
anymore: they haven't stolen them. You can't stole
something is available to the public. ;-)

Now, an old EXEC asm source may be of vital importance for
Mr. Key, but I don't see it a real piece of precious
code. Anyway it's an useful thing to study for coders, so I
suggest you all to do:

wget -v -np -k -m http://wandel.ca/homepage/execdis/

Remember DeCSS: noone can prevent a text file to fly around.
MPAA hasn't been able to stop DeCSS! ;-)

Hmmm...
can anyone print a t-shirt with a BOING BALL and a
piece of that code? ;-)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 34 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jul-2003 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (AFOIA):
"Now that we know that EXEC sources were flying around
since 1989 Amiga Inc has no grounds to sue morphOS team
anymore: they haven't stolen them. You can't stole
something is available to the public. ;-)"

We always knew that there was a German printed book of the ROM dissassembly, which probably many serious German Amiga programmers own.

That doesn't directly make the code open, but it could be argued that as Commodore did not suppress the book, they have not protected their copyright. My guess is that this would make it hard to take legal action against any similar book, but not necessarily against a functioning ROM or image containing the same code.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 35 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 23-Jul-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (AFOIA):
> Now that we know that EXEC sources were flying around
> since 1989 Amiga Inc has no grounds to sue morphOS team
> anymore: they haven't stolen them. You can't stole
> something is available to the public. ;-)

I'm not going to go into the "did they/didn't they" argument, because I don't know. But an old commented source to exec 1.2 is not really any help at all to someone cloning the whole of OS3.1's API.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 36 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 23-Jul-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
Surely you jest? Amiga Inc. can't even pay their employees, how on earth are they going to afford a lawyer?
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 37 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 23-Jul-2003 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Don Cox):
@Don Cox

> That doesn't directly make the code open, but it could be argued that as
> Commodore did not suppress the book, they have not protected their copyright.

Not necessarily. Letting people SEE the code is not the same as letting people USE it. The accusation I heard Amiga Inc make against MorphOS was that they used code directly lifted from Amiga sources. If they really had proof of this one might believe they had a valid case, but AFAIK no one outside Amiga Inc or the MorphOS team has seen the code in question, so the authenticity of the claim must be in some doubt.

Having said that, Amiga Inc HAVE allowed their IP to be redistributed without taking any action against the perpetrators, so it would be interesting to see how they explain that precedent in any future action they may wish to take regarding copyright infringement of that same IP.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 38 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Bill Hoggett):
"The accusation I heard Amiga Inc make against MorphOS was that they used code directly lifted from Amiga sources. If they really had proof of this one might believe they had a valid case, but AFAIK no one outside Amiga Inc or the MorphOS team has seen the code in question, so the authenticity of the claim must be in some doubt."

The claim becomes even more ridiculous when you consider the fact that Amiga Inc doesn't have any access to MorphOS source code.

So basically it's pure FUD.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 39 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
they dont need to have the source. parts of morphOS behave in exactly
the same way that AmigaOS_3.1 does. even bugs and artifacts have been
cloned/copied exactly!! add to the fact that MorphOS is featuring
the same features of AmigaOS and therefore breaking several patents
by doing so unlicenced (and example i give you - you can move
the mouse using qualified keys and the cursor)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 40 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Jul-2003 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
You can move the mouse cursor using the keyboard in Windows too, so I
guess AInc better sue Microsoft first, then.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 41 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
"they dont need to have the source. parts of morphOS behave in exactly the same way that AmigaOS_3.1 does. even bugs and artifacts have been cloned/copied exactly!!"

Care to explain how this indicates MorphOS coders have the original AmigaOS source code? Please, I am very interested to hear this.

"add to the fact that MorphOS is featuring the same features of AmigaOS and therefore breaking several patents by doing so unlicenced (and example i give you - you can move the mouse using qualified keys and the cursor)"

This is OT. Anyway, which patent is that exactly?
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 42 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by confused on 23-Jul-2003 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
I wouldn't touch this site with a 10-foot pole if I were you. I have reported it and, should Amiga persue it, there is the possbility of subpoenaing download logs. :^P

Why not Ray? I thought 1.2 & 1.3 were released and open to the public? Can you clear up this matter for us?
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 43 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 23-Jul-2003 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (confused):
How on earth could you think that? as far as i'm aware, no part of AmigaOS, kickstart or otherwise, from any version has ever been "made public".
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 44 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Friends of Earth on 23-Jul-2003 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ray A. Akey):
Jesus, what are you such a poor sucker....

With all your MP3-equipment at home I am in great doubt you stick to the copyright laws as much as you pretend to.

Bigotterie at its best !

For all others not sure which way to go you should thing about the fact, that this disassembly has been done before the strict laws, might have been legal and belongs to a computer that is outdated, outfashinoed, dead as a doughnut and no-one is really going to use it these days for anything serious.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 45 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2003 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
"they dont need to have the source. parts of morphOS behave in exactly
the same way that AmigaOS_3.1 does. even bugs and artifacts have been
cloned/copied exactly!!"

Of course they have - MorphOS has been designed to emulate OS3.1 exactly, ergo it is logical to emulate known bugs in the functionality of the system.

Now, if you can show MorphOS is clearly demonstrating the cloning of a hitherto unknown OS3.9 bug, THEN you might have the beginnings of the basics of a possible argument.

" add to the fact that MorphOS is featuring
the same features of AmigaOS and therefore breaking several patents
by doing so unlicenced (and example i give you - you can move
the mouse using qualified keys and the cursor"

Bullshit.

Unless you claim AOS is the only system which lets you move the mouse via the keyboard? In which case allow me to introduce you to Windows, MacOS, etc...


Nice true, dude, but you were hopelessly wrong on both counts.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 46 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Timm on 23-Jul-2003 18:54 GMT
I will eventually release these stupid exec v39 sources on my
website. That shall give me some pleasure of that kind when you
were torturing insects as a child...

Insert some electrodes and reasonably high voltage into a dead
body's musclular tissue, and if you are lucky enough it'll move.
Maybe it will even be "alive and kicking" :)
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 47 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Jul-2003 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Peter Gordon):
Yes it has, published in a book several years ago.

Same way the older UNIX III source was published.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 48 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Jul-2003 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Friends of Earth):
"With all your MP3-equipment at home I am in great doubt you stick to the copyright laws as much as you pretend to."

An yet here we have another clueless troll making baseless accusations.

Yes, I have one of these: http://www.request.com

I also have these: http://www.codemain.com/modules/Gallery/Various/DSC00407_copy

..and these, along with the rest of my bought-and-paid-for CD collection, fill it nicely, so bugger off until you know what you're talking about.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 49 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Jul-2003 22:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (confused):
Not to my knowledge it hasn't. If I find out otherwise, I'll gladly retract my previous comments. Until then, they stand.
Amiga Exec 1.2 disassembled and commented : Comment 50 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 24-Jul-2003 01:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
> The accusation I heard Amiga Inc make against MorphOS was that they used code
> directly lifted from Amiga sources. If they really had proof of this one might
> believe they had a valid case, but AFAIK no one outside Amiga Inc or the
> MorphOS team has seen the code in question, so the authenticity of the claim
> must be in some doubt.

Does anyone really know? Remember, the MOS team initially wanted to ship an Amithlon-esque product; Quark and the ABox would clone major APIs, but you were still to provide your own Workbench. The accusations of code-stealing have done the rounds of the mailing lists, but AInc. seemed most concerned of the 'incitement to piracy' -- encouraging users to copy 3.x to an unsanctioned platform smelled like a bad idea for them, and probably for the industry as a whole. It's not clear to me what complaints were ever filed; if there's one thing we can learn from this, it's that the WA court system is fairly obscure with their records.

In any case, whatever people thought then, H&P seem to have emerged as the real "bandits," letting AInc. churn -- concerned about protecting 3.5/3.9 for the benefit of both parties (and running up associated legal bills?), on up to the 'screw you' gesture of refusing to pay their Kickstart licenses; like it or not, AInc. seems to hold that IP, and it *was* an enabling basis for the AmigaOS XL package. Unfortunately, the immaturity of everyone involved (sorry, Bernie, that whole 'girlfriend on the mailing list' fiasco just came off pathetic for both sides) makes it hard to tell the real jerks from the "good guys" prone to off days.

As insane as it all is... Would MorphOS even look like a "platform" now if you needed 3.x to run it? Would the QBox/native mode be further along? While nothing would justify frivolous litigation (of which both "sides" seem fond), they've certainly shaped the mess of emulations and pipe dreams into something resembling an "industry."

To the 'red' team -- 4.0 looks like it'll be beautiful, even if it's taken an age to get there... and despite the many permutations, it's been fairly easy to track a sense of what to expect. Ray, man, we've had our differences, you know *I'm* perfectly capable of shooting my mouth off without thinking, but I don't profess to represent a company; with 4 so close, what the world needs now is professionalism, not bluster, and if you do wield the stick, why not shoot lines straight to Christian and the author of the page before stirring up the hornets' nests? Moo Bunny is one thing; there's moderation here, if you know where to look. ;)

And to the 'blue' team -- c'mon, guys, I'm trying to respect the hard work *you've* been putting in, but despite all the chances to make it Harder, Better, Stronger and Faster, you seem to want to slip by playing the compatibility card. C'mon, wow me with some QBox features before DragonFly does!
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