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Fleecy answers the questions voted on for Bill McEwen at the AmiWest 2003 show. Here are the answers: http://polarboing.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=24
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 51 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2003 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (dammy):
He's been working on kids for years. Just give us something to use and we'll try our best to make a kid. The T-shirts for the kids well at the top of the priority list.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 52 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 28-Jul-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (dammy):
Dammy, as far as I know, Bill McEwen indeed has a family. I think it is silly to dispute or debate this. But I guess we now have more reason to have Rich's marital license scans hanging around. What's next, birth certificates? No, I do think we need to put an end to too much personal speculation. Bill's family is none of our business, even if Amiga Inc.'s actions may be.

Having said that, I find it really hard to trust Fleecy after all the fluff we have heard throughout the years. That, they brought onto themselves.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 53 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 28-Jul-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (dammy):
Oh again we have Dammy constructing spurious alternatives one of which must be true. Failure to grasp even the basics of the definition of "family" or even negation seem to run through your posts here and on moobunny ( see: http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/88862 folks ).

"How about just telling us Dave, does either Bill or his wife have kid(s) living at home?"

Ask Rich, ask Bill.

"Or do you really do know that he and his wife does not have any and this is just a Fleecy lie but do not want to admit it?"

Errr of course, application of logic would come up with that as the alternative.

"I could be wrong and there are children (either his, hers or both), but I doubt it."

Since you are the one doing the j'accuse how about you go find out and come back to this fora and tell us what part of Bills family he is referring to and their genetic lineage, ages, position and status.

Better still, when you don't KNOW don't assume that others do not know either.

Dave.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 54 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Jul-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (DaveP):
> Ask Rich, ask Bill.

But I'm asking you, does either him, his wife, or both have kids? No kids means no family and that of course means someone lied to us yet again. Which is it Dave?

Dammy
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 55 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 28-Jul-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Don Cox):
> There is hardly any mystery who the person unknown would be

?
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 56 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 28-Jul-2003 12:57 GMT
I only come here to watch dammy and Dave_P... it's better than Tennis!! :-)
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 57 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 28-Jul-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (dammy):
Not only your definition is erroneous but again you appear to be blind. I have answered you, the answer is that you need to ask someone else - or do you accept my second hand verification and validation of a fact over and above the prime subject or someone investigating the prime subject armed with a camera and plenty of time on their hands? If so I am amazed at the touching faith you so bestow on me, most out of character for you.

Heres a bit of help for you:

(dictionary.com)
1. A fundamental social group in society typically consisting of one or two parents and their children.
2. Two or more people who share goals and values, have long-term commitments to one another, and reside usually in the same dwelling place.
3. All the members of a household under one roof.
4. A group of persons sharing common ancestry. See Usage Note at collective noun.
5. Lineage, especially distinguished lineage.
6. A locally independent organized crime unit, as of the Cosa Nostra.
7. A group of like things; a class.
8. A group of individuals derived from a common stock: the family of human beings.

Take your pick, Im sure you will.

BTW was it you who delivered Pizza to the closed down Amiga offices?

@Matt Parsons
Thats a pretty sad admission.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 58 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 28-Jul-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (gary_c):
>> DaveP :
>> The more I talk to Amiga Inc people these days the more I realise that they
>> are decent people who made a few bloopers and then got nailed to the wall
>> after they ran out of moolah in circumstances beyond their control who have
>> the misfortune to have a clientele who are several bananas short of a
>> plantation.

> gary_c :
> I agree with that, pretty much.

You shouldn't, excuse my impertinence.

On the general principle of personal responsibility, claiming "circumstances beyond their control" is a heck of a stretch. The AI people took risks, and need to accept the consequences of those risks.

There's a more general lesson here, folks. The decline into "bad behaviour" (I'm trying hard to avoid emotive wording, so please bear with me) is a gradual one, and is not predicated on a conscious decision at the top of the slope to "be a bad boy". Undeniably, AI have told lies, mistreated employees, and abused the Amiga community. I have no doubt that they did not intentionally set out to do this at the start of their adventure, but along the way, they have burdened themselves with the weight of a sequence of morally-questionable decisions that they made in the spirit of "business reality", or "sensible compromise", or whatever other disingenuous euphemisms we happily swallow in today's amoral world. When it came to the crunch, they failed to apply principles that they themselves boasted of, and are now having to deal with the consequences of compromising those principles.

The lesson is where you end up if you aren't constantly looking around you, at what you've left behind, and at your feet, judging how you stand in relation to where you wanted to be when you started.

Further than that, accept that you will be judged by a world that may not share your principles, be they applied or abandoned. Ultimately, you will be excused far more if you stick to your principles and fail, than if you abandon them or never appeared to have any to start with.

There's plenty of people who'll discount anything I've written above because I'm obviously a "blue troll", and probably more who think I'm misinterpreting the actions of a few naiive characters beset by unfortunate circumstances, but if I can stop just one misguided little child from taking that next step on the awful journey to becoming another Hitler, I will have justified my existence. Please, people, the children, think of the children...

Err... I said "Hitler" - is the thread over now?

Regards,

Gregg
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 59 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 28-Jul-2003 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Gregg):
Gregg

I don't think you are a blue troll. But people are entitled to form their own opinions yes?

You have to repeat Hitler three times in a thread before its over, sheesh you'd think a long time forum user like you would know that.

Dave.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 60 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 28-Jul-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (DaveP):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@Matt Parsons
Thats a pretty sad admission.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm a pretty sad guy... you knew that, right?
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 61 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 28-Jul-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (DaveP):
Hmm... One, two... three!

That should do it then.

Gregg
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 62 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 28-Jul-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (T_Bone):
Rich Woods, as part of his "field investigations".

Of course, to develop this into a rumo... sorry, _fact_, that Bill McEwen has had to lock himself in his house in fear of the safety of his family is... entirely in keeping with precedent.

Gregg
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 63 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Man on the moon on 28-Jul-2003 13:56 GMT
The poll displayed on the left:
Hvilken kjeks er best?
Safarikjeks
Mariekjeks
Tom&Jerry-kjeks
Sjokoringer
Pepita-kjeks
Bixit
Digestive
Kapteinkjeks
Ritz-kjeks
Gjende-kjeks
Ballerina
Jaffa-kjeks
seems a lot more interesting to me - yawn! - ...
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 64 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Jul-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (DaveP):
Family Fam"i*ly, n.; pl. Families. L. familia, fr. famulus
servant; akin to Oscan famel servant, cf. faamat he dwells,
Skr. dh=aman house, fr. dh=ato set, make, do: cf. F.
famille. Cf. Do, v. t., Doom, Fact, Feat.
1. The collective body of persons who live in one house, and
under one head or manager; a household, including parents,
children, and servants, and, as the case may be, lodgers
or boarders.

2. The group comprising a husband and wife and their
dependent children, constituting a fundamental unit in the
organization of society.

The welfare of the family underlies the welfare of
society. --H. Spencer.

3. Those who descend from one common progenitor; a tribe,
clan, or race; kindred; house; as, the human family; the
family of Abraham; the father of a family.

Go ! and pretend your family is young. --Pope.

4. Course of descent; genealogy; line of ancestors; lineage.

5. Honorable descent; noble or respectable stock; as, a man
of family.

6. A group of kindred or closely related individuals; as, a
family of languages; a family of States; the chlorine
family.

7. (Biol.) A group of organisms, either animal or vegetable,
related by certain points of resemblance in structure or
development, more comprehensive than a genus, because it
is usually based on fewer or less pronounced points of
likeness. In zo"ology a family is less comprehesive than
an order; in botany it is often considered the same thing
as an order.

Family circle. See under Circle.

Family man.
(a) A man who has a family; esp., one who has a wife and
children living with him andd dependent upon him.
(b) A man of domestic habits. ``The Jews are generally,
when married, most exemplary family men.'' --Mayhew.


Family of curves or surfaces (Geom.), a group of curves
or surfaces derived from a single equation.

In a family way, like one belonging to the family. ``Why
don't we ask him and his ladies to come over in a family
way, and dine with some other plain country gentlefolks?''
--Thackeray.

In the family way, pregnant. Colloq.

So, where are the kids Dave?

Dammy
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 65 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by anonx on 28-Jul-2003 15:38 GMT
>Bill McEwen family.

On MS interview (2002), Mr McEwen mention his son.

Search keys: "bill mcewen" "my son" microsoft
on Google.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 66 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 28-Jul-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (anonx):
Ah the riddle has been solved.
Well aside from that detour, I think the main issue is that if anyone is threatening *any* AI employees, it's a majorly sick individual.


>On MS interview (2002), Mr McEwen mention his son.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 67 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Rudei on 28-Jul-2003 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (dammy):
Dammy, ur one sick f*ck, I hope someone takes your house away from you.
Cowardly little sh*t!
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 68 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Tronman on 29-Jul-2003 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Gregg):
Gregg

This is a very sensible post, a surprise on this thread. Where
applicable, the 'you' in the rest of this post isn't meant as the
'you' Gregg, but the 'you' in general of the Amiga community..


I can't prove all of what I'm about to say, so don't anyone take this
as gosphel, but I do know that when Rwoods was in town for the
auction, he 'investigated' Gary Peake and Bill McEwen -- taking pics,
talking to their neighbors and so on. I'd call it 'stalking' but
thats just me. The precedent for this individual's actions? Just
look at realpix and the stuff about Merlancia and Harv Laser. True or
not, this is an indication of a man with waay too much time on his
hands. What I can't prove here is the Rwoods is still stalking Bill.

If I were McEwen I might have declined to attend AmiWest as well, and
not just because Bolton was gonna heckle a bit ;-) Seriously, Rwoods
was there skulking around, asking all kinds of questions about god
knows what and who. He tried to use the ImageFX demo box and his USB
pen drive to put up some stuff about Merlancia and/or Amiga-I wouldn't
let him. I didnt' think it appropriate to allow a dealer's demo box
to be used for the furtherance of his own personal agenda-especially
when said demo box has my personal email on it!!

You all know of my issues with Amiga. As I told Peake I would, I have
been quiet about them in the forums because my story is known, there
is no need to tell more. I specifically told Rwoods to post nothing
about me, that I didn't need or want his help. That was back in
April.

With that said, I am saddened if the rumors are true, and McEwen is in
fact being stalked-by Rwoods or anyone else. I'm not doing it, I'm
not having anyone else do it either, nor would I ever do so. No one's
accusing me of it, but I just wanted to state that, so everyone's
clear on this.

In the end, we have to ask ourselves: is this what we want in this
community? Do we so badly need the dirt on whichever person/camp we
oppose, that we'll allow people like Rwoods to 'investigate' them,
then lend credence to that by believing it?? What is gonna happen
when you piss Rwoods off and he starts 'investigating' you??

I for one don't enjoy being in a community inhabited by stalking
ghouls. Why would anyone else want to buy a computer and buy into a
community where this sort of thing happens and is accepted?? I don't
think we're doing ourselves any favors by sinking to (t)his level.

In truth I could probably use pics from Rwoods, if they proved that
McEwen had anything he said he didn't in court. But I flatly refuse
to do so, even if I could (and no, it has never been offered to me).
Its time we draw a line, as a community, and simply refuse to sink to
this!!!

Is it so important to know how many kids Bill has, that you'd get this
info from someone who's been stalking Bill for who knows how long, and
with who knows what intentions?

I certainly didn't feel good about letting my family loose in the room
knowing he was there, I certainly can't blame Bill McEwen for feeling
the same way. We can't allow ourselves to be held hostage this way,
its just wrong.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 69 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Tronman):
If that's true I really don't know if I want to be part of this "community" anymore. Thats discusting!! :P
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 70 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 29-Jul-2003 10:31 GMT
This is stupid anyway.

Regardless of Mr McEwan being stalked or not (I simply don't care), but he could still have done a "live link" from his house. Right? A technology guy, right?

Live, two way video links are the norm in business if an important official can't make it!!!!

Did he do that? nope.... This leads me to conclude, correctly or incorrectly, that he wasn't at this house, but at another more "important" appointment :-)
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 71 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 29-Jul-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Tronman):
@ Tronman,

That's a highly commendable attitude, and for what it's worth, you've certainly earned my total repect with that post.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 72 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Jul-2003 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Matt Parsons):
Maybe he does not want to open link from home ? It's a home not any office.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 73 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 30-Jul-2003 09:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe he does not want to open link from home ? It's a home not any office.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Amiga Inc, "closed" their office.. they now work from home... their homes are their offices... :-(
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 74 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by tronman on 01-Aug-2003 02:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Darrin):
Thanks bro!

I just think its time we try to re-invent the higher standards of
decency and community that Amiga users once enjoyed. Judging by the
efforts of Greenboy et. al. in the Phoenix group, I'd say that is a
good start. They're open, honest and helpful :-)
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 75 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 01-Aug-2003 09:51 GMT
hmm im wondering about that balloon....

i heard zorak is always watching people.
Fleecy answer Amiwest 2003 poll questions : Comment 76 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Mikael Burman on 05-Aug-2003 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (dammy):
Hmm... did you watch the MPEG showing Bill at TechTV? Do you remeber that Bill said something like: "My kid love this.." (talking about a game running under AmigaDE on a PocketPC)...
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