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MorphOS user and advocate Daniel Miller wrote an AmiWest show report for the amiga-news.de website. Here are some maybe surprizing quotes: "Other guys fom the Genesi team were running back and forth to get CDs or check things or fleeing for their lives or who knows what. In all it was less than professional and it's a good thing they presented early in the day so there weren't more people present to witness all the problems." and "The OS4 demo on Saturday: this was a wonderfully executed presentation.". Read all about it here and here.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 1 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 29-Jul-2003 04:16 GMT
Being involved in organizing a few events myself, NOTHING thats supposed to work usually works. Quess there was not enough time to pre-configure things before the show.
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Posted by Jon on 29-Jul-2003 04:58 GMT
Thanks. Well written.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 06:17 GMT
>or fleeing for their lives

Very strange indeed ;-) Just listened to the amiwest recordings (polarboing.com/amiwest/amiwest2003). A ten year old kid joking around endlessly but grown ups in the MorphOS presentation with shaking voices as if in mortal peril. With something as good as MOS1.4 in the bag, that was quite surprising. I mean it's not as if they were grilled or something like that. OTOH, Wayne was added only a day ago to the Genesi team and shoving him onto the podium so quickly must have been an alarming experience.
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jul-2003 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
Technical disasters when showing off new products are pretty common. I don't think this is anything to take too seriously.

I get the impression there was a later demo which worked OK.
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Posted by Hagge on 29-Jul-2003 06:44 GMT
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amiga-news.de%2Fen%2Fnews%2FAN-2003-07-00193-EN.html
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Jul-2003 07:01 GMT
Murphy's law...

When we held the presentation at the SceneCon, the X86 Zeta which followed our Pegasos/MorphOS presentation (which is in theory a much more mature product than Pegasos/MorphOS) crashed a lot more.

Everything goes wrong - it's the usual way of presentations.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 07:55 GMT
Yep. Maybe OS4 team should specialized in demonstrations and Genesi in releasing working OSes :)
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Posted by Amigisti on 29-Jul-2003 09:54 GMT
What you are talking about? If Genesi is going to release somethinhg that I would buy, I really expect that presentations are handled professional way. I think Genesi had weeks time to get all working to Amiwest!
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Posted by alan buxey on 29-Jul-2003 11:04 GMT
this was the impression i got from the show too.

MorphOS had a terrible time on saturday. but was well behaved on the Sunday
(thankfully...or it'd be curtains with their market in west USA)

AmigaOS4 beta has a few niggles. but bahaved, in the main, better.

MorphOS presentations. awful. non professional and weak. have non of these guys stood up to give even basic talks before? its a shame.

AmigaOS presentations, good, clear and solid.

so, although MorphOS 1.4 beta OS is available, its behind in the 'trust these
people with your money' game.

Alan
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 29-Jul-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (alan buxey):
It's available? And I was under impression it would be released on 1.8, and is still given final touches.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 11 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 29-Jul-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (alan buxey):
Doesnt concern me because I'm already MorphOS user =) But nice to see OS4 is progressing well. When they have MUIPPC applications should fly there.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
I'd agree.

Apple, Microsoft, and many other vendors have had worse problems.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 13 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 29-Jul-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (itix):
IIRC the MUI-a-like system from AROS has already been ported.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 14 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 29-Jul-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (alan buxey):
> MorphOS presentations. awful. non professional and weak. have non of these guys stood up to give even basic talks before? its a shame.

Well, maybe not, actually. Keep in mind that of these speakers, maybe only Bill Buck is in the habit of public speaking, and of course greenboy's pretty much at ease with it because he's said his spiel more than a few times, and has his on-stage experience as a musician. The other guys had problems with things not working, as well as not being prepared since they all had higher priorities in the days and hours up til showtime. As Bill Buck said at the end of the session, the operation in America is just getting off the ground; give them a year and see how far they'll have gone.

That said, I agree that much of the presentation was painful to hear. I had to fast-forward cringing through some of the rougher bits of the mp3 myself. I imagine there was a fairly intense post-show meeting since there are several more shows coming up in the next few months. Sorry if it sounds like I'm making excuses, and I know I'm apt to get the apologist award, but it's good to keep things in context.

> AmigaOS presentations, good, clear and solid.

They've had quite a bit of practice, haven't they? Well, they are quite good at the presentation end of it, no question. I think the written documents on AOS4 are also very good quality, and the Italian sponsors of the World Tour, maybe in particular, put together some real nice packaging with printed discs and all.

> so, although MorphOS 1.4 beta OS is available, its behind in the 'trust these
people with your money' game.

So if you base your operating system purchases on slickness of presentations at shows, I guess you use MacOS and QNX exclusively, right? ;-) . If I thought there was a direct correlation between geeks' performance behind mikes and the code on the discs, I'd agree, but there seem to be other variables. ;-)

-- gary_c
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 15 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 29-Jul-2003 13:40 GMT
This is really a pity this was so badly organized, as the presentation of MOS 1.4 we had simultaneously at the NASS party in France kicked ass :)
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Posted by alan buxey on 29-Jul-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
>So if you base your operating system purchases on slickness of presentations at >shows, I guess you use MacOS and QNX exclusively, right? ;-) . If I thought >there was a direct correlation between geeks' performance behind mikes and the >code on the discs, I'd agree, but there seem to be other variables. ;-)

MacOS and QNX rulez! ;-)

no seriously...some of th e best coding geeks out there are FANTASTIC
at giving talks...even if its 100% technobable (which some of them do).
Just in the world of GNU/Linux I could name some very impressive speakers
who are very good at talking in public. of course, Linus and Richard
Stallman are stalwarts at this..but there are many more. *I* am not
basing expectations and futures on these presentations...as i have met and talked to MorphOS and AmigaOS4 projhect managers and developers(tech/soft)
personally...but take 'Joe Public' (as much as he's in the loop at this point)
and he'll look for the professionalism, glitz and style. same as any part
of the tech world.

remember, the act of recording shows and presentations is now going to become
far more commonplace. no more 'text only' reports from shows which
noone else experienced....those will become non-important to the avid
followers worldwide. they'll all be taking note of the media which comes
out of the shows.

the stakes and ante have now been risen a few notches

Alan
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 14:12 GMT
Just imagine this was the other way around! The MOS (ADHD?) kids would likely completely freak out at the oppertunity to bash.

Better luck next time Genesi! But first make sure you get some better public speakers...
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 14:35 GMT
Why are MorphZone and MorphOS-News ignoring this report?
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 19 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 29-Jul-2003 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
Murphy's Law :-)
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 20 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 29-Jul-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Maybe b/c this report contains not even a single piece of information about the numerous new features of MOS 1.4, which is really great (saw it at the NASS party, and it was very reliable and advanced), and describes an absolutely pathetic demonstration which should not have happened... This is so shameful they decided not to refer to it...
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 21 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 29-Jul-2003 15:33 GMT
I wrote the report as a journalist, not a MorphOS advocate. I don't like it being portrayed the way AM does here. My article was not about the stupid OS4 vs. MorphOS war, it was about Amiwest on Saturday. The MorphOS presentation on Sunday kicked ass. I am sorry I wasn't able to report on it later Sunday, being on the road.

In the Genesi presentation on Sunday, Matt Sealey got up and did a passionate job explaining all the great things that are available and coming for MorphOS. The other Genesi speakers did an excellent team presentation that showed off the great benefits and many positive attributes of MorphOS on the Pegasos. Bill Buck spoke very well also. Genesi made a lot of friends on Saturday and Sunday, and showed that they 100% earned their place in the Amiga community, where they belong. They have an almost complete solution that is so far more advanced than OS4 that it is not even funny. The OS4 presenter did a great with the presentation but as far as the actual product there is absolutely no comparison. Maybe someday Hyperion and partners will produce something to compae with MorphOS and Pegasos but not yet, and this fact was clear to anyone who attended Amiwest.

I wish ANN would adopt a policy of not letting anonymous posters leave news stories. This article is an oversimplification and really is a distortion. Let's leave the MorphOS-OS4 war behind for once. At Amiwest we did.
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Posted by Druideck on 29-Jul-2003 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Daniel Miller):
Funny how people focus on problems at shows like Amiwest,
Setup problems are common, what counts is who shows up and
what they do to correct the problems. I hear sunday was different.
We have gotten great support since buying our Pegasos/Morphos.
This is the first time in years it feels like the company is actually
trying to move forward with real live products.
Can't wait for super bundle, 1.4 and Peg2-G4. YAA!
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 23 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 29-Jul-2003 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Daniel Miller):
Now this is what it's all about. From now on the competition begins. OS4 crew trying to outdo MorphOS crew and vice versa. The only advantage of not joinging forces.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 24 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Daniel Miller):
I'm interested in MorphOS as a technology...i dont care about its
AmigaOS3.1 API wrapper..that can be done with UAE etc. I want the QBox
stuff to be up and running..leave the ABox behind. I dont treat the
MorphOS sytem as Amiga. and as for being part of the Amiga community.
no, not really. they want to take the coders away into new realms
and environments..as well as the users.
Think BeOS. poweful system. can run Linux stuff very easily...but people
want more...and were given more. that platform hit the bricks at 150mph
when they ported it to x86. why get BeOS versions or wait for BeOS versions
when you can just boot into Windows? Exactly.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 25 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by porneL on 29-Jul-2003 17:13 GMT
Geek who sits whole day in front of monitor is not supposed to be a good speaker. Making presentations is a skill. They are skilled in something different.
And there was much stress. Public speech is a real killer. Set-up problems made them even more uncomfortable. In such conditions I couldnt present well even best os ever (unless it had auto-presenting feature ;)
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Posted by KenH on 29-Jul-2003 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (porneL):
Yes you could give the Amiga apologists a run for their money. As they have learned, there's no shame in messing up. Just admit it and then it's what you do after that matters.


>Geek who sits whole day in front of monitor is not supposed to be a good speaker. Making presentations is a skill. They are skilled in something different.
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 27 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
That didn't stop us from making fun of Bill Gates when win98 uSB demo
crashed ;-)

Overall, a very nice report
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 28 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amigisti):
Don't be too hard on them for as much as I don't care about Genesi/Pegasos, sh*t happens :)
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 29 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 29-Jul-2003 21:31 GMT
I agree that after this experience Genesi should improve their presentation skills a lot. They do a nice job on the booth front, much nicer than anyone in the Amiga trio, but the Amiwest presentations - with the exception of the banquet which Buck handled well in my opinion - were really amateurish, at least from what I saw/heard via Internet.

I don't doubt that Genesi got new friends of people that were there, but for those that weren't, these kind of news really paint a pretty bleak picture. I know how well MorphOS works, I'm sure it was just an individual glitch this time, but all this goes to reputation. The amateurish presenters didn't help at all either.

So, just trying to be fair and impartial here. Genesi should do better.

Oh well, at least they showed up unlike Amiga Inc. :-)
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 30 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Jul-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (alan buxey):
>so, although MorphOS 1.4 beta OS is available, its behind in the 'trust these>people with your money' game. What do you mean, give these people money for a rhetoric course? :-D
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 31 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by José on 30-Jul-2003 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Daniel Miller):
"They have an almost complete solution that is so far more advanced than OS4 that it is not even funny."

You mean how far in development the product is? Otherwise care to explain since the feature list of both has been published and I haven't seen any such astonishing differences(!).
Daniel Miller's Amiwest 2003 Show Report : Comment 32 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 30-Jul-2003 23:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (José):
At least MOS has printer support.
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