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[News] AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.orgANN.lu
Posted on 07-Aug-2003 06:51 GMT by Tronman15 comments
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I have posted part one of my report on the AmiWest show which took place in Sacramento, California on July 26-27, 2003. The url: SNoPUG Enjoy! This is the first part of three, one part for each day. I'll post the next two within a few days, as I have time to write each one. I enjoyed the show, and I'm looking forward to next year's event there. (Note: a modern browser will greatly improve your experience :-) This site is still under construction, so no flames please ;-)
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 1 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Aug-2003 05:22 GMT
Link doesn't work ?
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 2 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 07-Aug-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Just try:

http://www.snopug.org/journal/index.html

And Stop the page before it loades entirelly...

So you will avoid to jump to the "Oops... Not Found" Page.

A bit tricky... but works!
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 3 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 07-Aug-2003 11:46 GMT
This bit of code:

<script type="text/javascript">
if (parseInt(navigator.appVersion) < 5)
document.location = "older/index.html";
</script>


Makes it fail in IE.
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 4 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 07-Aug-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peter Gordon):
As well as in Opera...

The site must not worth the look then.

@+,
Leo.
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 5 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Aug-2003 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Leo):
Lame
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 6 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 07-Aug-2003 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
> As well as in Opera...
The site must not worth the look then

The links work fine for me in Opera 7. Fun article to read BTW.

-- gary_c
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 7 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 08-Aug-2003 03:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
Site didnt work for me using IE.. pretty poor not to have it working yet despite all the complaints.
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 8 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 08-Aug-2003 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
Thats odd. It didn't work in Opera 7.11 for me.
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 9 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Aug-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Someone has a fixed link ???
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 10 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by PaulT on 08-Aug-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Just to mention that the author not only put it on a page that won't load (and this machine has IE6) but that the article is broken into additional pages or blocks that ALSO won't load. AND because of the problems you may find it hard to return to ANN.

The source for the first page included the link
http://www.snopug.org/archives/2003_08.html#000011#more
which has the same problem.

Cascading style sheets: Just Say No! :-}
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 11 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by William F. Maddock on 08-Aug-2003 18:10 GMT
Wee, tiny, little, itty-bitty problem. :-)

The page we are shooting for immediately forwards to another page (/journal/older/index.html) that isn't there, apparently. IE 5 (I think. It's a work computer, not mine).
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 12 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 08-Aug-2003 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (PaulT):
The problem here isn't CSS, it is improper detection and usage of CSS techniques using JavaScript, not to mention that missing page to which it forwards. :)
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 13 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Aug-2003 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (PaulT):
> Cascading style sheets: Just Say No! :-}

Actually, CSS is very, very useful. I use it a lot on other projects, and have found it to allow incredibly flexible code, that still degrades gracefully on older browsers.

The problem in this case can clearly be attributed to the author of the web page. From what I could see (and I'm writing this at almost 3am, out of the top of my head), it checks for the browser version (>5 required) even though MSIE, the most widely used, reports as Mozilla/4; and if it doesn't find a v5, it forwards to a non-existant page.

This is a design error made possibly by Javascript, not CSS.
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 14 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 09-Aug-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Peter Gordon):
Peter Gordon wrote:
> Thats odd. It didn't work in Opera 7.11 for me.

My Opera identifies itself as Opera. If yours identifies as IE, that could be the difference.

-- gary_c
AmiWest Show Report on SnoPUG.org : Comment 15 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by deadguy on 11-Aug-2003 20:00 GMT
I apologize for the break in the page - I tested it many times on several different browsers - including IE5, IE6, Mozilla 1.2, Mozilla 1.4, and Opera 7.11, and there were no errors. I designed it to forward to a tables-based layout in non-CSS compliant browsers. As compliant as IE is, it still fails on some of the CSS for the menus, which is why I rigged it to forward if the browser version was too low.

Unfortunately, I wasn't paying attention when I actually uploaded that page; the relative path failed when I uploaded it into another directory to keep things organized. I upped a working, tables-based version a few minutes ago as a quick fix. I'll work on it more as soon as I can. Again, the greatest of apologies.
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