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[News] Amiga.org interviews Carl SassenrathANN.lu
Posted on 07-Aug-2003 12:02 GMT by Raffaele28 comments
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Here you can read about the amiga.org interview to Carl Sassenrath. Another news I forwarded from Amiganews.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 07-Aug-2003 11:08 GMT
Very nice review.


"It's been interesting to watch Apple get itself back on track over the
last year. Mac OSX has a very Amigaish feel about it. It kind of makes
you think that, with enough money, Amiga could come back the same way."


That's the way. Give a chance. Think positively.
(except that we have no money)
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Aug-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
"That's the way. Give a chance. Think positively.
(except that we have no money)"

It has to be earned. Sell a few Amigas, plough the profits back into development, and build up steadily. So far as I can see, this is what Eyetech and Hyperion plan.

Borrowing millions of dollars or selling out to a big company like Commodore doesn't work in the long run.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 07-Aug-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
Pity Gatway Amiga abandon Linux/Neutrino kernels, we could have been kicking some serious ass by now running on a wide range of platforms that those two kernels supported.

Dammy
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 07-Aug-2003 13:15 GMT
Great piece.

One comment stands out in particular:

"The Amiga marketplace is horribly fragmented..."

This should be ignored at our peril. Imagine if the AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS efforts cooperated on some level and moved us forward instead of two steps back.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 07-Aug-2003 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This should be ignored at our peril. Imagine if the AmigaOS/MorphOS/AROS efforts cooperated on some level and moved us forward instead of two steps back.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The MOS and AROS efforts have cooperated, and no doubt will do so in future.

Anyway http://www.openamiga.org is an effort to bring all three systems together.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by terminills on 07-Aug-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Matt Parsons):
@matt

As long as some dumbass remembers to keep doing his nightly backups we should have no more problems with dataloss lol. :)
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Aug-2003 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (dammy):
what? You mean another Lnx distro?!
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-Aug-2003 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Matt Parsons):
> The MOS and AROS efforts have cooperated, and no doubt
> will do so in future.

And so has AROS and AOS, just for the records...
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Aug-2003 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Matt Parsons):
I just see it as developing for the lowest common denominator - not something I'd prefer. At least not in cases where something could be won by developing for features available in newer OSs. that goes for both AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS. I think it's time to let Darwin's rules do their work.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 07-Aug-2003 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just see it as developing for the lowest common denominator - not something I'd prefer. At least not in cases where something could be won by developing for features available in newer OSs. that goes for both AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS. I think it's time to let Darwin's rules do their work.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You see it as developing for the lowest common denominator...
I see it as a forum for developing some "Amiga Standard" by the community

Sure, we shall see darwin in action... remember Darwin's rules are about adaptability... which system can react quickest to changes in the "market"...?
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Albatorsk on 07-Aug-2003 22:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Yeah, in the same way that MacOS X is just another *BSD distro...
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 08-Aug-2003 04:28 GMT
"The project took about two years from start to release. But, that
included a lot of other things, like debugging the hardware along the
way, firing contractors who were not getting their work done,
switching to new development environments, porting compilers, writing
demos, and so much more."

Guess the "firing contractors who were not getting their work done" wouldn't work nowadays since there wouldn't be a company at all then ;)
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 08-Aug-2003 04:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
On the other side MacOSX probably is the best os alternative anyway, if you just kind of forget if it says amiga or not.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Aug-2003 04:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (dammy):
"Pity Gatway Amiga abandon Linux/Neutrino kernels, we could have been kicking some serious ass by now running on a wide range of platforms that those two kernels supported."

+ we would have a more modern os, I don't really see why you should bother with the old original amiga os, it haven't been developed for long and is OLD and lack lots of functionality.

I think the Linuxkernel idea was wrong thought, and I did so back then to, qnx and neutrino was good thought. (and the romours said it was gateway which made jim collas and co switch from qnx to linux, guess we'll never know..)
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 08-Aug-2003 04:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
that one was from me aswell..
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 08-Aug-2003 04:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
"what? You mean another Lnx distro?!"

In that case macos is "just another BSD".
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 08-Aug-2003 04:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Hagge):
An amigaos based on a linux kernel would be even less "another linux dist" than macos is another BSD thought. Since you don't actually have to use all the variuos gnu tools and others which make the "dist", you can use only the kernel and add your own programs on that if you want, there macos on the other hand uses many of the bsd land user tools aswell.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 08-Aug-2003 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Matt Parsons):
"...we shall see darwin in action... remember Darwin's rules are about adaptability... which system can react quickest to changes in the "market"...?"

Amiga should have created a new 64-Bit OS, for the more ubiquitous (next to PPC) AMD64, and wrapped all relevant and useable system libs, etc., from the previous OSes in the new code so it would at once have full backward compatability and appear in the market (when finished) with the entire host of classic software titles ready to use. They could have had all of those running faster than they natively did, equal in speed to the new software which would arrive more slowly. They could have united the community by funneling the development paths of all previous Amiga platforms and OS versions into the one new OS, and had them all running 'natively', alongside the new software, DE, etc.

--EyeAm
http://eyeam.darrelltown.com
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 08-Aug-2003 05:55 GMT
I'm very skeptical concerning the possibility of an Amiga come back.
So far, sales (all machines, all OSes, all software mixed together) are not very encouraging, even to recreate a little auto-fed microcosm (I don't dare to say "market").

Unless one of the remaining "big" actors (Hyperion, Eyetch, Genesi) win at the National Lottery, I don't see how this come back can be achieved.

This is my opinion, thanks for respecting it the same way I respect the other ones.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 08-Aug-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Yoris):
Your opinion is possibly very true. For now our OS is a niche market. However ppl
will take a second computer and tend to look/buy another system than the Redmond boys
subscribe to Joe Doe.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 08-Aug-2003 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Yoris):
All competitors have to prospect out new markets. The OS wars are over, we know who will buy what ( or both ).
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 08-Aug-2003 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Yoris):
Eyetech and Genisi have also other markets where they do operate.
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 08-Aug-2003 07:35 GMT
At least one great thing came out of that Sassenrath interview: EyeWorld! :D I saw he was talking about Safeworld's AltME software, and went to www.altme.com to check it out. Derived from REBOL, it's pretty cool. Now there's a safe and secure place to collaborate on OS projects, chat, and other stuff.

--EyeAm
http://eyeam.darrelltown.com
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 08-Aug-2003 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (EyeAm):
http://www.link-net.org/

or search for invisible irc project

also check out silc
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 08-Aug-2003 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (EyeAm):
Uhm...EyeAm haven't you left this "comunity" screaming "bloody murder" ten or so times before? What pulled you back (again) this time?
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 08-Aug-2003 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Lennart Fridén):
:) http://eyeam.darrelltown.com/mes/NovioSite/index.html

--EyeAm
"If at first they don't succeed, show them how it should have been."
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 08-Aug-2003 12:53 GMT
Heh. Can't beat the the evil talk, I might as well have some fun with it. :-)

http://www.robhalford.com/audio/mutations/04%20-%20Little%20Crazy%20%5BLive%5D.mp3
Amiga.org interviews Carl Sassenrath : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Aug-2003 02:06 GMT
kess i doubt that as maiga doesnt exsist except via hp and intel.
second carl a1 and pegasos are the same thing both oudated pcs with a ppc cpu aka a mac but not as good.
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