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[News] Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities ANN.lu Posted on 17-Aug-2003 15:17 GMT by Mike Bouma 78 comments View flat View list More official screenshots from Hyperion are now available at the AmigaWorld.net community portal. These shots demonstrate the debugging capabilities under AmigaOS 4. Two programs are involved in this: The Grim Reaper and gdb. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 1 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 17-Aug-2003 13:34 GMT Looks good. I really mean that :-) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 2 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 13:47 GMT Does this mean that those flashing Guru mediation requesters are removed completely from the system? Ahhh, that's a relief:) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 3 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by - GALAXY - on 17-Aug-2003 13:49 GMT I have to admit that these Screenshots look really polished. The window decorations really caught my attention. Also the colors choosen for Reaction (?) are pretty nice. Let's see the endproduct. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 4 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 17-Aug-2003 14:12 GMT In reply to Comment 3 (- GALAXY -): It does indeed use Reaction but that wasn't really the idea behind these screenshots. I guess you need to be a developer to appreciate them on a different level ;) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 5 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Kjetil on 17-Aug-2003 14:15 GMT The debugger looks nice, how ever is there a option to always terminate a program with out question, debug boxes pupping up on programs I can fix my self, or do not have the source code to, will not help me. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 6 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Kjetil on 17-Aug-2003 14:16 GMT In reply to Comment 3 (- GALAXY -): The only thing that looks ugly on AmigaOS4.0 is the icons. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 7 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by - GALAXY - on 17-Aug-2003 14:18 GMT In reply to Comment 4 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion): Actually I am developer (been it for my entire life) and already realized you have ported gdb on AOS4 and the crash guard like system. But using a GNU system for the past years made me resistent to see that as something special because I'm using gdb a lot of times. We even have bug-buddy on GNOME which is quite similar to your Grim Reaper. But anyways I must admit having ported it to AOS4 is quite nice. By the way I am really touchy when it comes to 'you must be a developer' kind of sentences. You should throw an eye to my homepage http://www.akcaagac.com/ then come back and ask again if I know to develop or not. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 8 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Aug-2003 14:18 GMT In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous): The flashing red boxes are still there under certain conditions (deadend alerts). Crashes result in the Grim Reaper showing up, though, which starts our with a simple Requester (much as what was shown in the recent AmiWest presentation). The GUI pops up once you press "more..." there. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 9 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 14:31 GMT In reply to Comment 8 (Hans-Joerg Frieden): Thanks for straightening that out:) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 10 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Kjetil on 17-Aug-2003 14:32 GMT In reply to Comment 8 (Hans-Joerg Frieden): Thanks for not removing all the legacy ? :-) Yellow Boxes are they gone? Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 11 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Kjetil on 17-Aug-2003 14:40 GMT While we are on subject OS4.0, how is otter modules coming along? 70%, 80%, 90%, 95% recompiled? Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 12 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Aug-2003 14:43 GMT In reply to Comment 10 (Kjetil): Yellow or Red is determined by the Deadend bit, as usual. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 13 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 17-Aug-2003 14:43 GMT In reply to Comment 11 (Kjetil): You'll have to wait till our "PPC module manager" gets back from holiday. He comes up with these numbers. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 14 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 17-Aug-2003 14:44 GMT In reply to Comment 7 (- GALAXY -): No insult was intended. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 15 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by - GALAXY - on 17-Aug-2003 14:49 GMT In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion): > No insult was intended. No problems, you are welcome. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 16 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by 3seas on 17-Aug-2003 16:22 GMT Free Software ---- Aren't you glad it exist? Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 17 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Matt Parsons on 17-Aug-2003 16:53 GMT In reply to Comment 16 (3seas): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free Software ---- Aren't you glad it exist? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I would Imagine Hyperion don't like *ALL* free software... ;-) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 18 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Ole-Egil on 17-Aug-2003 16:56 GMT In reply to Comment 11 (Kjetil): The otter modules are out swimming and looking for clams. Muhahaha! (sorry, but you really gotta stop typoing "other" ;-) ) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 19 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 16:57 GMT In reply to Comment 16 (3seas): > Free Software ---- Aren't you glad it exist? Yep! Makes me appreciate the software I paid for. :-D :-D Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 20 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by corpse on 17-Aug-2003 17:05 GMT In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous): "Yep! Makes me appreciate the software I paid for. :-D :-D" You should try some *free* software that isn't lame ass VB-ware(TM) then ;). mmm php,mysql,apache .... Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 21 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Aug-2003 17:07 GMT In reply to Comment 16 (3seas): > Free Software ---- Aren't you glad it exist? Most definitely. I even produced some of my own :-) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 22 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by AnCr on 17-Aug-2003 17:12 GMT Btw., it looks like there is still no "blow window up to full screen size" button in this gui, just the old size toggler? Is this function missing or how does it work? Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 23 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by redfox on 17-Aug-2003 18:53 GMT Looks better and better everytime new screenshots come out. Thanks, redfox Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 24 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 19:09 GMT In reply to Comment 22 (AnCr): I hope the zoom gadget in os4 works like Win9x/xp or macosx not like amiga os3x. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 25 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Aug-2003 19:47 GMT In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous): Well, if it is, I hope its an option i can turn of ;) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 26 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 17-Aug-2003 20:19 GMT In reply to Comment 25 (Peter Gordon): The "Zoom" Gadget works like before - pressing it toggles between the "normal" and an "Alternative" size. It is up to the program that openes the window to supply these alternative sizes. Having said this, it should be relatively straightforward to write a small commoditiy that implements a "Zoom to Full screen" kind of functionality. Alternatively an application can implement this feature by itself, there is a standard way of adding title bar buttons (MUI already uses this to add its buttons to window borders) that comply with the selected look. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 27 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Lando on 17-Aug-2003 20:20 GMT In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous): >I hope the zoom gadget in os4 works like Win9x/xp or macosx not like >amiga os3x. "Oh, I hope they change this bit to be more like windows" "Oh, and this bit too" "...and this should work like windows also" Before you know it, we have got Windows, and there is no more Amiga :o( Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 28 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by KenH on 17-Aug-2003 20:38 GMT In reply to Comment 27 (Lando): As they say, there's no point throwing the drinking water out with the sh*te is there? ;) >Before you know it, we have got Windows, and there is no more Amiga :o( Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 29 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 21:03 GMT In reply to Comment 27 (Lando): Please don't flame me,I just wanted to point out that it would be nice to have a gadget to zoom each window to full screen. That's a feature I actually miss on amiga. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 30 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Robin Cloutman on 17-Aug-2003 21:16 GMT What can I say, as another developer, GET AOS4 OUT SOON - my miggy died about 2 months ago, and I'm not putting the effort into bringing it back. I'm also not doing any serious coding on winuae - in other words, I'm waiting for aos4 before I buy an A1 (or whatever they're calling it these days). And no mos/peg flames please - I'll be buying one of those too, *after* I've got the a1 up and running, I like my software to work on everything, and can always do with more hardware ;-P Robin Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 31 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by KenH on 17-Aug-2003 21:32 GMT In reply to Comment 30 (Robin Cloutman): If your back catelogue of work is any good, you really should get a donation of a machine with betas on them. Wonder which company would be forward thinking enough to do that first? ;) >And no mos/peg flames please - I'll be buying one of those too, *after* I've got the a1 up and running, I like my software to work on everything, and can always do with more hardware ;-P Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 32 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Aug-2003 22:08 GMT In reply to Comment 28 (KenH): @KenH > As they say, there's no point throwing the drinking water out with > the sh*te is there? ;) This is true of course. OTOH, there's no point drinking the water if it's full of sh*te either... Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 33 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by KenH on 17-Aug-2003 22:19 GMT In reply to Comment 32 (Bill Hoggett): Give it a boil and add some whiskey and it'll be palletable enough ;) >This is true of course. OTOH, there's no point drinking the water if it's full of sh*te either... Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 34 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 22:34 GMT In reply to Comment 18 (Ole-Egil): >The otter modules are out swimming and looking for clams. LOL :-) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 35 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 17-Aug-2003 22:37 GMT In reply to Comment 26 (Hans-Joerg Frieden): >Having said this, it should be relatively straightforward to write a small commoditiy that implements a "Zoom to Full screen" kind of functionality. What about doubleclicks on window title bars to maximize, can't you do that on the side of the OS? Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 36 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 03:27 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): From a commodity, yes. Check the Commodities drawer in 3.0 and upwards for more examples of what a commodity can do. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 37 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 04:18 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): From a commodity, yes. Check the Commodities drawer in 3.0 and upwards for more examples of what a commodity can do. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 38 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 04:18 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): From a commodity, yes. Check the Commodities drawer in 3.0 and upwards for more examples of what a commodity can do. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 39 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 04:18 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): From a commodity, yes. Check the Commodities drawer in 3.0 and upwards for more examples of what a commodity can do. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 40 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 04:51 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): From a commodity, yes. Check the Commodities drawer in 3.0 and upwards for more examples of what a commodity can do. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 41 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 04:51 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): From a commodity, yes. Check the Commodities drawer in 3.0 and upwards for more examples of what a commodity can do. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 42 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 18-Aug-2003 04:55 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): > What about doubleclicks on window title bars to maximize, can't you do that on > the side of the OS? Sure this could be done, but a commodity has the advantage that you don't need to launch it if you don't want to. Some people expect the window to shade (i.e. contract to just the titlebar, as in Linux) while others expect it to iconify (MacOS X) when you double click on the title. With a commodity you can have both, or none, as you wish. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 43 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Olegil on 18-Aug-2003 05:09 GMT In reply to Comment 41 (Olegil): What the fuck was that, I would like to know? Sorry, I must have clicked somewhere I shouldn't. I thought I was working in another window, but you never know... Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 44 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 18-Aug-2003 05:12 GMT In reply to Comment 42 (Hans-Joerg Frieden): @hans joerg Why don't each window in os4 have an iconify gadget? I think it would be a very welcome feature. Anyway fantastic screenshots! keep up the great work! Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 45 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Rik Sweeney on 18-Aug-2003 06:22 GMT In reply to Comment 43 (Olegil): LOL! Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 46 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Janne on 18-Aug-2003 06:24 GMT Looks very nice! Good luck with the product. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 47 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Elwood on 18-Aug-2003 08:10 GMT 1) new icons will be released with OS4 2) you can do "almost" what you want with a hotkey through Fkey (so you can maximise a window) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 48 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by itix on 18-Aug-2003 08:22 GMT In reply to Comment 43 (Olegil): You spammer ;-) Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 49 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 18-Aug-2003 08:58 GMT In reply to Comment 47 (Elwood): I know there are several commodities for this purpose but I think it'd better to have these features by default since every modern os works like this. Screenshots demonstrating AmigaOS4 debugging capabilities : Comment 50 of 78 ANN.lu Posted by Leo on 18-Aug-2003 09:03 GMT In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous): I'm adraid this would interfer with the double-click to front feature... @+, Leo. 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