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[News] Pagestream for MorphOS?ANN.lu
Posted on 19-Aug-2003 21:30 GMT by takemehomegrandma18 comments
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Grasshopper LLC wants to know if there is interest in porting Pagestream to alternative Operating Systems, such as MorphOS. If you are interested in a MorphOS version please fill out the survey provided using the link and request a version for MorphOS.

http://www.grasshopperllc.com/survey-amiga.html

Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by velcro on 20-Aug-2003 10:12 GMT
Actually that not what they asked.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Aug-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (velcro):
They wants to get a picture of what platforms the future Amiga users will use. Apparently they are looking to make an OS4 port, but they seems to be considering alternatives too. That is why they included PPC and MorphOS as examples to the left of the text boxes in the form.

This is very good news IMO. Once the code is in GCC it should be very easy to natively support any Amiga option out there.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by José on 20-Aug-2003 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
While the title is not inacurate, it is incomplete. If you think the title reflects the news you have a very distorted vision of reality.
Here is an excerpt from the page:
"Hello and welcome to our Amiga survey! We would like to determine the computer systems being used by our current, and hopefully future, Amiga customers. We also hope to find out the size of the PageStream Amiga population who plans on upgrading their computer to OS4. We hope that when you fill out this survey you will fill it out as truthfully as possible. It is most likely that future development will continue to support 68k based Amiga, plus the new OS4/PPC. One of the big questions is where to emphasize development within the broad spectrum, and what systems to try and optimize for. We hope you can provide us a fair idea of the composition of our Amiga market.

Thanks!!"


That's a very nice way to start giving them a nice idea of the composition of the market isn't it?

In journalism that has a name:)
The response of the next post was not necessary in a normal situation, but when amazingly this got moderated as news I don' know what to think of Amiga sites anymore, or at least some of the moderators involved. You're all a bunch of hypocrits with agendas.


P.S.
Maybe you didn't read the whole thing? But in that case you shouldn't have posted.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by José on 20-Aug-2003 12:14 GMT
Dammit!
I misread the title of the news.
Fell free to delete my post
Sorry!:)
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by velcro on 20-Aug-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
I'm not knocking MOS. They should support it and maybe AROS. Developers should produce MOS and OS4 versions and maximise there potential market size.

It was just the "spin" put on the news item title. They asked *which* Amiga platform.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by José on 20-Aug-2003 12:24 GMT
Still a more comprehensive report of the thing would be better, I wonder why it didn't happen.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Aug-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (José):
(I don't even know why I am taking the time to respond to this, but here it goes ...)

A *comprehensive report of the thing*?! Man, you are reading too much into too little! Grasshopper will make a 68k and OS4 version of their great software, and they wanted to get a picture of the current and future Amiga platforms that people are/will be using other than that, to get a hunch of where to put their efforts. Anyone who follows the link will see this, no need to cut and paste their whole webpage. I think it's great that they are considering support for MorphOS besides OS4 and 68k, that's why I posted this item, and that's why I posted it the way I did. And I *personally* know that at least 5 people (myself included) both filled in "MorphOS" *AND* a reg number in those fields (these I know about personally, of course there are lots that I don't know about). Those reg number posts will probably weight much more than tons of those zealot posts that probably is rolling in by now, that advocates one or another system. BTW José, did *you* fill in a reg number?

I have never made *any* claims to be a journalist, nor to be unbiased. I like to follow the development of *all three* OS distributions (that's right, *all three*), but MorphOS is the only one I use on a daily basis for obvious reasons, thus my focus of interest lies within the MorphOS sphere. There is no big point to speak about OS4 or eventual future application support for that operating system until it's actually here in a usable state (AFAIK it's not even available in a usable state to developers yet), Grasshopper LLC has said they will support that anyway, and that was clearly mentioned their webpage to anyone that has the ability to read.

This item was probably moderated as news because it was the first post mentioning this, the other post was exactly the same thing but the words "MorphOS" replaced with "OS4", and the only purpose with that post was, and I quote: "Just to point out that the survey is not centred about MOS but also about Amithlon, OS4, and 68K", and this is totally correct (as anyone that follows the link will see) and I see the point, but I fail to see that it will be news a second time? I think it was nice to moderate it as a forum entry instead of removing it completely. Troels Ersking could (and should) have posted that remark as a comment in *this* news thread instead of just adding more noise in this somewhat childish manner.

Really, there is no conspiracy here. I am getting pretty tired at you people who constantly makes a hen out of a feather and get upset and raving "Oh! My! God! I don't know what to think about Amiga News Sites anymore" over the slightest little detail. It's so unnecessary. I think you should relax a bit, really.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 20-Aug-2003 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (takemehomegrandma):
"Troels Ersking could (and should) have posted that remark as a comment in *this* news thread instead of just adding more noise in this somewhat childish manner."

Offcourse I could have done that, my point still remains though.

I also found your post (and reasons behind it) pretty silly, when there's finally a company who asks about ALL Amiga(like) platforms there's no reason to pick MOS for the ANN entry, not mentioning the others.

To me, your link only seemed relevant to MOS users, which is not what the survey was meant for.

Would have been better and easier if you had just used the original text from the Pagestream site.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Aug-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Troels Ersking):
> "Troels Ersking could (and should) have posted that remark as a comment in
> *this* news thread instead of just adding more noise in this somewhat
> childish manner."

> Offcourse I could have done that,

You sure could. Now we will have to live through these pointless "why is this news and not that" comments again. You had a point, but you could have shown it in another way.

> my point still remains though.

Yes.

> I also found your post (and reasons behind it) pretty silly, when there's
> finally a company who asks about ALL Amiga(like) platforms there's no reason
> to pick MOS for the ANN entry, not mentioning the others.
>
> To me, your link only seemed relevant to MOS users, which is not what the
> survey was meant for.

1) There are actually MorphOS users out there, actually using PageStream.
2) There are not quite as many OS4 users out there using PageStream (if you know what I mean).
3) Both OS4 (if/when it's available) and 68k *will* be supported in the future, as stated on the page.
4) MorphOS *might* be supported, if enough interest is shown from current users.

> Would have been better and easier if you had just used the original text
> from the Pagestream site.

I linked to it! It's there!
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 20-Aug-2003 15:23 GMT
I see this is still news while the title isn't correct!!!

As it isn't fixed I will complain too.

COMPLAIN :)

Seriously though.....this is pathetic. Move it to forum or change the title.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Ananymous on 20-Aug-2003 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (takemehomegrandma):
>I linked to it! It's there!

Yes, it's there but without Troels' thread for example I would not have red it. Admit it, you want to _distort_ the results of this survey in favor of MorphOS.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Jason on 21-Aug-2003 01:21 GMT
Ray A Akey is posing as Bill McEwen again. First he does his Fleecy Moss impression in "Ask Fleecy", now its Bill McEwen press releases!
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 21-Aug-2003 02:03 GMT
Let's see, the word MorphOS is listed 4 times, while AOS4.0, 68k, and AROS are totally absent. May not be biased, but SEEMS that way.

To be fair, perhaps a moderator could just add that in as a last line, just before the link? I only say this, because it is classified as a news item, while the other reference to it, isn't.


AmigaOne! I did the survey.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 21-Aug-2003 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Atheist2):
I agree, it should be renamed to reflect that its a general survey.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 21-Aug-2003 07:49 GMT
Plenty of time to change the title or make a reference to ALL Amiga systems or just move this to forum!

Nothing has happened so this shows how biased ANN is beginning to get. Just another reason I guess to not come here as often anymore.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 22-Aug-2003 02:19 GMT
Just filled out that survey -- used 'ShowConfig' for present,
and Dealers Info List for A1 System; concluding:

> Note: Amiga OS 4.0 will be shipped upon release early next year.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 22-Aug-2003 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Remco Komduur):
I'm starting to agree... I'm not sure why ANN would want to pander to such a small portion of their audience, this kind of stuff should be screened for purile bias.
Pagestream for MorphOS? : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by bigdan on 24-Aug-2003 04:58 GMT
Yet another french ** registred ** MorphOs user of Pagestream.

Arnaud aka bigdan
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