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[Web] KHTML comes to AWebANN.lu
Posted on 20-Aug-2003 12:05 GMT by koan16 comments
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Didn't see this elsewhere, apparently AWeb developers have started to look into porting KHTML to Amiga. See AWeb website (originally seen at amiga-news.de article).
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 1 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Aug-2003 10:18 GMT
"Hopefully now, KHTML will become a part of the Amiga platform and its clones."

Yes indeed. Good news! :-)
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 2 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 20-Aug-2003 10:42 GMT
i think it would be better to move the whole of 'porting KHTML' to a new
project rather than tying it as part of AWeb... i know it'll be free and have it own API, but to keep things clear and simple, keep it as a seperate project.
interesting info on the KJS though! :-)

alan
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 3 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 20-Aug-2003 11:47 GMT
Great! If the team can replicate the same blistering development speed and quick release turnover time that they achieved with the AWEB project, we will have KHTML in no time!


;-)
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 4 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 20-Aug-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Cluke):
"Great! If the team can replicate the same blistering development speed and quick release turnover time that they achieved with the AWEB project, we will have KHTML in no time!"

Yep... I expect the hardworking, non-payed coders to skip their school and jobs to deliver a fully working khtml.library sometime tomorrow afternoon... well... maybe if I put a gun to their head. ;-)

Seriously, the motivation for developing a new browser seems to be greater than for maintaining the current AWeb APL Lite, but we can still use an extra hand, because there's going to be a lot of work to do.

Regards,
Henrik Mikael Kristensen
AWeb Development Team
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 5 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 20-Aug-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (alan buxey):
"i think it would be better to move the whole of 'porting KHTML' to a new
project rather than tying it as part of AWeb... i know it'll be free and have it own API, but to keep things clear and simple, keep it as a seperate project."

It is intended that khtml.library and API documentation will be downloadable from the site for now, because it's easier than maintaining two sites for me and for sunsite staff. Simple as that. The site will be redesigned properly, so each product is clearly marked and separated from each other.
There are also several other ideas flying around, which could use their own sites, including something with building a GUI independency mechanism. But it's hard right now to say that they will become something, that will be usable in separate projects. They could at some point, but right now the effort needed is simply too big. There's so much to do. :-)

Regards,
Henrik Mikael Kristensen
AWeb Development Team
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 6 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 20-Aug-2003 14:28 GMT
I also think that all this require a bit of time thus I share the comment of HMK here. Right now we have started a few conversations about that on the AWeb Development Mailinglist and I (and probably the AWeb team too) appreciate help from others as well so it would be a good sign to sign on, on the devel list and help. There is a lot of work to do

- JavaScript port,
- KHTML port and probably writing wrappers around QT widgets,
- Cookies and SSL stuff and so on.

greetings,

- GALAXY -
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 7 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 20-Aug-2003 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
>Seriously, the motivation for developing a new browser
>seems to be greater than for maintaining the current AWeb
>APL

Your messages remember me old Amiga Inc announcements.

"Amiga Inc is working *with Matrox* on a new gfx board!"

"AWebdev is working *with KHTML guys* to port KHTML engine on
AWeb!"

And, exactly, who is working? And on what AWeb version will
it be built? The current GCC alpha which crashes when you
watch too much the keyboard?

Maybe you'll better make more stable the current GCC
conversion before even THINKING to get a totally different
engine and integrate it in a totally different browser.

I'm really curious to see when this great project will be
completed. Good luck... not to you, to us! ;-)
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 8 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2003 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Gabriele Favrin):
>And, exactly, who is working? And on what AWeb version will it be built? The current GCC alpha which crashes when you watch too much the keyboard?

Why don't you get your ass in front of a computer and start working on a useful project rather than just bitching and demotivating the few people who *might* port khtml?!
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 9 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2003 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Gabriele Favrin):
Just because the rest of the team moves in a different direction it doesn't give you the right to bitch and moan, Gabriele.
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 10 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 20-Aug-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
While you have a valid point about people who criticise rather than create, the Amiga's recent past has been blighted by announcement after vaporous annoucement, all coming to nothing, serving only to demoralise and make cyncics out of the users.

I think announcements should be just that, not "oh, we're thinking about doing this, see you in a year or two"

A good announcement is the MPlayer one above. I'm reading ANN and blam, headline says there is a port of MPlayer, and there is, complete with download link. Not a non-story saying "Blahblah team are looking at porting MPlayer."

This is not meant as a pro-Morphos statement (I'm sure they will have to deal with their fair share of dud announcements too) or a swipe at the AWeb team (who took my earlier joke with very good grace), but a general rant against all the people who promise but never deliver, and the always wheeled out defence of "how dare you criticise you when you aren't doing anything yourself"
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 11 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-Aug-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Not sure if you know who Gabriele Farvin is or not. He supported AWeb when it was first uploaded to the aminet as a beta. He was a beta tester for Yvon for the longest time and wrote some of the best arexx scripts for AWeb. Personally speaking if he wants to bitch about something like that, he has every right to considering how much effort he already contributed before it went open source. Anyway, major kudos to the AWebDev team. I hope to see the KHTML engine running on AWeb4 soon enough.

Makes me wonder a bit... when AWeb was renamed AWeb-II it was mainly due to the html rendering engine... so why not rename it to AWeb-III 5.0 once the KHTML engine is in place? Anyway, don't mind me... I'm just rambling.
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 12 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 20-Aug-2003 19:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (the man in the shadows):
I just want to add the fact that I'm only interested to co-operate with the AWeb team to get KHTML (renderer, javascript and whats around it) to be ported to either AmigaOS or MorphOS and keep a place where we maintain, update the KHTML port. I have no further intentions to investigate into AWeb itself since I plan to port Atlantis to MorphOS and AmigaOS using that engine. The KHTML cooperation is a worthy thing to do so we avoid unnecessary code duplications, double efforts and things like that. We all will benefit from it. And as many of you may recall I (singular) never claimed to be successful and never promised anything. All I (again singular) did was writing that we (plural) at least TRY to port it. As more people work on it as higher the chances to get something done. And I really like to encourage Gabriele to help us. Not just Gabriele, everyone of you is welcome to help and we really appreciate it.

With your help, we may be successful. Don't come in with high expectations, but please come in with motivation to at least try it. If we don't try it then we never figure out if we may have been successful or not. We need cooperative people who know to teamwork. And we would like to get a chance to try it before getting slammed down.

greetings,

- GALAXY -
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 13 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrim on 20-Aug-2003 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>Why don't you get your ass in front of a computer and start
>working on a useful project rather than just bitching and
>demotivating the few people who *might* port khtml?!

There isn't any need to demotivate anyone.
nor to reply to offensive posts by anonymous guys.

I don't beleive in this effort and I don't like announces
like that. I prefer facts than words, and I didn't see
facts up to now. If you want to know more about why I'm
saying this, read my page:
http://www.favrin.net/txt/varie/msg/index.en.html

If they'll do what they are announcing I'll be the first
to congratulate and be happy, but right now this team did
few than Amiga Inc with the digital revolution...
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 14 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 21-Aug-2003 01:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
>Just because the rest of the team moves in a different
>direction it doesn't give you the right to bitch and moan,
>Gabriele.

I've the RIGHT to express my opinion where I want and how
much I want and no one, especially anonymous guys, can tell
me to shutup. Whoever you are, you are just a kid who
can't discuss in a civil way to people with different
opinions than you.

By the way anonymous guy, I don't see a team. There are a
programmer and a guy who talks and spents hour flamming (an
italian user told me he wrote his comments to HKM and got
flames and a bounch of vaporware) and there are people who
waits, both users and developers. More or less like the 3000
developers working on AmigaDE projects.

On AWebML people (not me, other people) expressed their
opinions about what they wished, but 'the team', as you call
it, is 'moving' in a different direction. I'll wait to see
where they'll go. While they are moving (it will take time,
like when the Asgard moved outside our galaxy...)
I'd like to see APL licence respeted. Sadly right now
"the team" isn't even able to distribute the sources of
their only stable AWeb version (and no, using a sunsite,dk
batch to allow users to downloadd all CVS content is not the
same thing).

Have a good day, anonymous.
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 15 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Jason on 21-Aug-2003 01:20 GMT
Ray A Akey is posing as Bill McEwen again. First he does his Fleecy Moss impression in "Ask Fleecy", now its Bill McEwen press releases!
KHTML comes to AWeb : Comment 16 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Gabriele Favrin):
That does not sound like HMK (not HKM).
I'm sure he would not flame anyone without good reason - in fact I don't think he'd flame anyone at all.
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