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Amiga Inc. officially denies existence of AmigaDE deal with Thendic/Genesi. http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml The recent "news" by Genesi that a deal or settlement was reached in the ongoing lawsuit between Thendic/Genesi and Amiga Inc. is officially denied by Bill McEwen. There is no deal to port AmigaDE nor AmigaOS 4.0 to the Pegasos.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 1 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Aug-2003 04:05 GMT
I an so *not* suprised....

BBRV, care to explain the shit you started again?

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 2 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 21-Aug-2003 04:26 GMT
Gee another lie on the Amiga Inc website, I am so surprised. Ray did Bill McEwen really tell you to post this?? Its a big whopper for even him. First we have the EULA lie, everyone on this site knows that Draco and Amiga Forever has licenses for the OS, plus frankly the EULA is with H&P not B&F. I mean I realize Bill doesnt feel like he has to attend court cases, but does he also think he doesnt have to abide by the decisions reached about the court cases??? Come on Ray, if its just you, have some real fun, tell us again about the offices, I love whenever you explain that.
-Tig
Amiga Inc - On Schedule and Rocking as long as Ray can afford a web server
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 3 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 04:40 GMT
"The facts are that the legal process is continuing, we have not lost and we have not agreed to port AmigaDE to Pegasos."

What happened to the idea "run everywhere"? IMHO I think they dont port DE to any OS(hosted) or machine(native) because they dont have the manpower to do that..
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 4 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Lucas on 21-Aug-2003 04:53 GMT
I don't understand why Buck keeps making false statements. What does he hope to gain? Does he think it will help in the legal proceedings? Will gain him customers? Does it make him look like a proffessional businessman?

Just shut the fuck up from now on. We are getting tired of it. We don't care who or what is right anymore. Just stop airing your dirty laundry in public and grow up.
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Posted by Peter Marlow on 21-Aug-2003 05:00 GMT
"I should also like to remind the community, and those users of the Amiga Operating System, that the End User License Agreement clearly states that the license for use is only valid, on Amiga branded machines."

OH MY GOD! Running Amiga Forever on my PC is ILLEGAL!!! I want my money back... IMMEDIATELY. Those damn traitors at CLOANTO... I can't FUCKING believe it...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 6 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 05:04 GMT
Is that you, Ray A Akey?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 7 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Marlow):
Smartass...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 8 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Tigger):
Yeah! And everything Bill Buck tells us is God's honest truth, isn't it?

I seriously can't understand the ignorance of some people. I mean, can you explain Bill Buck's claim that BOTH AmigaOS4 and the AmigaDE is *currently* in the works of beeing ported to the Pegasos? Can you explain Bill Buck's claim that the court case would have already been settled in Thendic-France favor? Or, are you denying this too? Wake up and smell the coffee; regardles of what you might think of Amiga Inc.'s past, Bill Buck just took the price.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 9 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 21-Aug-2003 05:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Marlow):
Ofcourse AmigaForever couldnt have a different EULA ... no, never ...

(besides eula's are generally invalid in quite some countries)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 10 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 21-Aug-2003 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Tigger):
IF there were a deal, there would be no reason to lie about it (after all the product would appear and money would be made). Ofcourse if there is no deal (yet), one cant be proven wrong immediately, so why not continue doing what they always do and lie half way about it with just enough evidence so the zealots can go on defending their masters.

And honestly, after all the shit been going on, can anyone imagine a deal being made?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 11 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 21-Aug-2003 05:29 GMT
Bill Buck said:

"AmigaDE is a bit like pouring alot of water in a good glass of wine. It just did not make good business sense"

The link is here if you want to check it out:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-04-00134-EN.html
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 12 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 21-Aug-2003 05:30 GMT
Bill Buck said:

"AmigaDE is a bit like pouring alot of water in a good glass of wine. It just did not make good business sense"

The link is here if you want to check it out:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-04-00134-EN.html
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 13 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Aug-2003 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Tigger):
Tigger, Ainc own the right to AOS3.9, if H&P are in breach with that agreement, that's their problem, but that *DOES NOT* give you the right to bicker over their rights.

As for this being a lie... As far as i see they told the truth.

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 14 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Aug-2003 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Manmpower, cash, whatever reason/motives, it's their problem :)

Maybe the terms of the agreement are the issue's & not the agreement itself?

Cheers
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Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 05:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Marlow):
Amiga Forever does not have the same EULA as the original AmigaOS made for running on the classic Amiga hardware. Amiga Forever has a specific license and is of course perfectly valid for use with PC's, pointing it out is rather annoying nitpicking.

Will you please take your eyes off minor grammar corrections and look around, the fanatasy world made up by Bill Buck is crumbling.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 16 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Aug-2003 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ketzer):
I agree, Tigs attempt to change the spin on this was pretty weak and pathetic.

The EULA for 3.5 and 3.9 clearly prohibit installation on non Amiga branded systems, but Amiga Forever is an Amiga branded system - although it still comes with OS3.1 for the old H+P dispute reason ( IIRC ). If you are in a country where EULAs are invalid then fine, go ahead, if you want to take a personal risk, fine go ahead.

In that case, there is no "big fat lie".

I don't understand what Bill Buck was playing at to be honest, unless someone was spoofing him, the court case is ongoing and is not, in fact, coming to court until the end of the year.

This recent attempt to further cloud the issue and mislead people by Bill Buck ( or some spoofer - I still can't quite believe my eyes ) has seriously damaged the credibility of Bill Buck and Wayne Hunt as the two most outspoken people on that thread running against the grain of the truth.

Appalling.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 17 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 21-Aug-2003 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (DaveP):
> ... has seriously damaged the credibility of Bill Buck ...

Has happened often enough and still some people think there is any credibility left.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 18 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Pete on 21-Aug-2003 05:45 GMT
-> Bill McEwen

"the End User License Agreement clearly states that the license for use is only valid, on Amiga branded machines"

I'd like to precise that this kind of clauses are highly illegal in several countries. Apple Computer Inc have already lost a lawsuit about a similar clause it used for prohibiting use of MacOS on a non Apple branded computer.

What the law states is that if a product is purchased legally, the purchaser/owner can use it with whatever he want. This is one of the most basic right of consumer.

I defy any company to achieve to win a lawsuit using this kind of clause against someone else (except if he doesn't have a lawyer of course ;) ).

So Mr McEwen, please stop recalling this illegal clause of the EULA. You can't use it, it's just illegal.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 19 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 21-Aug-2003 05:46 GMT
Strange, the two Amiga links at
http://www.pegasosppc.com/operating_systems.php
don't target directly the Amiga websites as it was 2 days ago...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 20 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Pete):
Yes, that's right. Deny what's going on and keep nagging about the stupid EULA. I'm sure everyone will forget what Bill Buck if you troll about the EULA issue loud enough.

Folks, he's in denial. However, he must face reality on his own, so just let him be for now.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 21 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Elwood):
mostly looks like a click counter to me..
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 22 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 21-Aug-2003 06:07 GMT
And the circus show goes on...

Stop the disaster please.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 23 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Pete on 21-Aug-2003 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (samface):
-> Samface

Sorry but the news on Amiga.com doesn't only talk about Mr Bill McEwen statement. I think i'm free to speak abotu EULA if I want to as the news is also about it!!!

I'm a free man and I wonder who you are to dare tell me what i've to talk about!! If I want to talk about EULA I do it! IS THAT CLEAR? SO please stop telling me what i've to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was answering to Bill McEwen news on Amiga.com as this thread was speaking about it. And Mr McEwen spoke abotu EULA and that's what interested me. I don't care the part about Mr Buck statement so I don' speak about it. And that's not because you are only interested by it that i'd have to be too! I'm not!
I want to speak abotu EULA, so I speak about it, PERIOD! NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 24 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Yoris):
Well, I wonder what Bill Buck and Wayne Hunt expected when they made those claims...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 25 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 06:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Pete):
>I want to speak abotu EULA, so I speak about it, PERIOD! NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!

Like I said, you must face reality on your own, so I won't tell you to do or say anything. Keep talking about the EULA if that makes you feel better. Though I think that issue has been addressed already; you're just nitpicking McEwans wording. Furthermore, if the EULA is valid or not is for the courts to decide, not you.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 26 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 21-Aug-2003 06:25 GMT
I don't know what the situation with ADE being ported to Pegasos, but the executive update is just hilarious.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 27 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by ID4 - tHe SuRvIvOr - on 21-Aug-2003 06:25 GMT
Hummmm, I remember Bill Buck telling that Bill McEwen isn't Amiga Inc. CEO, he talked about a bussines card with another new CEO too. Where is the new AMIGA CEO Sr. Bill Buck?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 28 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by tonya on 21-Aug-2003 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (samface):
i didnt know that OS3.5 and 3.9 was SOLD with amiga forever..

also OS3.5 and 3.9 WAS NEVER sold with draco or Access.
The rom's was liscensed out by h&p , we all know who they are and what they have done , anyone remeber amithlon ?

and for shops / firms making illegal stuff and selling , in the amiga world we have about 10 shopS who make and sell pirates ,,,some are dead...some not.

To name a few..

ALIVE
AMIGAgames.co.uk
AMIGAstuff.co.uk
EPIC (uk)



did that make it clear??

tigger: maybe u should READ the lines and not between em?

also about the bbrv posts , if someone is spoofing him then "LOL" he sure can spoof good then, look and compare all posts he ever made and compare it with this so called SPOOF ...

i would like to have more info on this, hopefully some will appear very soon.

cheers...

pps: i aint flaming or trolling , i am just SAYING it as "how" it is.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 29 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Pete on 21-Aug-2003 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (samface):
-> Samface

"Like I said, you must face reality on your own, so I won't tell you to do or say anything. Keep talking about the EULA if that makes you feel better. Though I think that issue has been addressed already; you're just nitpicking McEwans wording. Furthermore, if the EULA is valid or not is for the courts to decide, not you."

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE F*CKING ISSUE BETWEEN Amiga Inc AND THENDIC/GENESI!!!! Am I free to not be interested by this lawsuit? I EVEN DON'T CARE ABOUT THE AMIGADE AT ALL!!!!!

I'M STILL FREE TO CHOOSE WHICH PRODUCT I WANT TO USE AND WHICH PRODUCT INTEREST ME!!!!! The issue between Amiga Inc and Thendic/Genesi is about AmigaDE, and I'm not interested at all about it, so I don't care if who won the f*cking lawsuit about it!!!! This would change nothing in my life if AmigaDE will be ported to Pegasos or not!

CAN YOU ONE TIME REALISE THAT NOT EVERYBODY HAVE THE SAME INTEREST THAN YOU???!!!!
SO LEAVE ME ALONE WITH THIS F*CKING AMIGADE LAWSUIT THAT I DON'T CARE AT ALL AND RESPECT THAT I'M NOT INTERESTED BY IT!!!!
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 30 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (ID4 - tHe SuRvIvOr -):
Bill McEwen = Fleecy = Ray A Akey, keeping up appearance and hoping for the promised stock options to actually become valuable some day ...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 31 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 06:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Pete):
Easy now...

You talk about whatever you want and I talk about whatever I want, will that be ok with you?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 32 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 21-Aug-2003 06:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (hooligan/dcs):
>I don't know what the situation with ADE being ported to Pegasos, but the executive update is just hilarious.

Well, Hooligan, as a form of entertainment that only comes once or twice a year, I suppose it is all the more precious ; }
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 33 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Pete on 21-Aug-2003 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (samface):
-> Samface

"Easy now...

You talk about whatever you want and I talk about whatever I want, will that be ok with you?"

Yes, thank you :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 34 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by An Cr on 21-Aug-2003 06:42 GMT
I for myself don't care a BIG shit for "Amiga DE". It runs "hardly anywhere".
It must have been just the logos that Mr. Buck wanted for the Peg.

Btw.: Some people here still take everything that is written on Ainc. pages
for real. Come on, wake up, remember your had a brain somewhere in your body.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 35 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 21-Aug-2003 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (ID4 - tHe SuRvIvOr -):
> Where is the new AMIGA CEO Sr. Bill Buck?

Could it be Ray ? :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 36 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 06:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (An Cr):
Dismissing everything they say because they once upon a time stated inaccurate estimates of product delivery is not only short-sighted but arrogant. May I remind you of Ralph Schmidts promise to deliver "AmigaOS on PPC in 2000"?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 37 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 21-Aug-2003 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (An Cr):
I am sure Bill Buck (bbrv) wanted the names too - he doesnt seem happy with just having one name for things.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 38 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (samface):
They lied to, even scammed, all the users, all developers, all so called partners, for several years. Everything they have ever said and "done" turned out to be nothing but lies and wet dreams of some dot-com cowboys. Either they were conmen or just very incompetent.

Currently, Ray A Akey IS "Amiga Incorporated", if he gets any monthly wages at all, then it's from that big European firm that owns the majority of the stocks, as a try to keep up appearence while they are trying to do some damage control/sell it all off while it still might be worth anything at all ...

Speaking of that, how much could Amiga Inc possibly be worth today? It has nothing, nothing but a seriously damaged and polluted trademark that has not been used on any real products for over a decade. It's forgotten to the broad public since long! What else does Amiga Inc have of any value, that is theirs to own/control/sell? Heck, they don't even have a fax, or an office to place the fax in!

That is why this "keeping up appearence" by "Executive Updates" (ahem) and "Ask Fleecy" (cough) is so amusing -- it's so totally worthless, and only a bunch of some selected few actually buys that anyway! Really amusing!
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 39 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Aug-2003 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (DaveP):
The 3.1 and 3.5 EULAs do *NOT* prohibit you from running the OS on another machine... The 3.5 registration card even has a nice "UAE" option in the registration card...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 40 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Aug-2003 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (samface):
He did keep that promise... AmigaOS *ON* PPC. Not *FOR* PPC. That's what MorphOS
0.1 did...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 41 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
>They lied to, even scammed, all the users, all developers, all so called
>partners, for several years. Everything they have ever said and "done" turned
>out to be nothing but lies and wet dreams of some dot-com cowboys. Either they
>were conmen or just very incompetent.

You are of course entitled to an opinion, just don't state it as facts. I, as a Party Pack owner and Club Amiga member, does NOT feel the same way as you. Furthermore, I could probably address every issue you could possibly think of with a perfectly reasonable explanation. The conspiracy theories from certain parties on the other hand, is not at all reasonable, if you ask me.

For example, the theory that Ray A Akey would be impersonating his own boss on their own dot com website is hilarious. You try doing the same, impersonating your boss on your company's website, then see how things will work out for you.

I'm sorry but it is quite obvious that the "blue camp" is getting rather desperate and will try every dirty trick in the book in order to get out of this mess. Why can't you just realize that you are only repeating the same old crap over and over again without listening to reason? This kind of behaviour is not helping you or me, now is it?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 42 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
In 2000? Are you really beeing 100% truthful, Alkis?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 43 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Aug-2003 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
BTW, I'd like to try it out... where is it?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 44 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Aug-2003 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (samface):
MorphOS 0.1 was out in 2000. Where were you, back then? :-) To dl it, you need
to find it, it was taken down some time ago... 3 years after it's release.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 45 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2003 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (samface):
> You try doing the same, impersonating your boss on your company's website,
> then see how things will work out for you.

My company has an office, it has staff, it has bosses, it has suppliers and customers, it sells products, it generates revenue. My company is very much alive. No need to keep up appearance there, sonny!
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 46 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Lord Baldrick on 21-Aug-2003 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
This all GREAT STUFF ..

I'm in the middle of writing a book about Amiga...

Just love the scandals

Keep em coming !!


(Maybe Amiga will have a best seller once again ..... In a different form!!)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 47 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Aug-2003 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You can get 0.4 here: http://www.morphos.org/fileslinks.php3
Read the date carefully. Feb/01. It's the 4th version, the two first were
released on the site, 0.3 was a special version with a 2h timeout (was 30mins in
0.1 and 0.2) for AmigActive.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 48 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Aug-2003 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Lord Baldrick):
> I'm in the middle of writing a book about Amiga...

... but ... but that's MY idea! ;-)

That sounds interesting. There are a great number of sources of information out there, and many people to talk to.

What's it to be called? "The Amiga Saga"? "The Deathbead Vigil Book - Tales of digital angst"?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 49 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Aug-2003 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Pete):
Here here, have a valium ;)

But really, how much can one say about the EULA that hasn't been said hundreds of times already?

The EULA is likely never to be enforced on users, however, it might be succesfully enforced against companies that encourage breaking it, maybe Rich or Ben could advice us on this issue?

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 50 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Aug-2003 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Nicolas Sallin):
Nah, he's negotiating the deal for Genesi to get the AmigaDE.

Cheers
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