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[News] "No deal, no settlement" says AmigaANN.lu
Posted on 21-Aug-2003 06:01 GMT by SimplePPC299 comments
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Amiga Inc. officially denies existence of AmigaDE deal with Thendic/Genesi. http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml The recent "news" by Genesi that a deal or settlement was reached in the ongoing lawsuit between Thendic/Genesi and Amiga Inc. is officially denied by Bill McEwen. There is no deal to port AmigaDE nor AmigaOS 4.0 to the Pegasos.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 201 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 22-Aug-2003 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Yada, yada, yada...

We all know that there's no bug with your software or at least only very minor bugs. We also know that AOne is perfect and that the chipset you use on the mobo (The Articia S) is also bug free. Thanks God.
This Amiga world is SO perfect for the Amiga Pros and all related Amiga things. Ten years have pass and the AOS4 (made my Hyperion :) will be bug free. :p

So here is my announcement : Amiga pro users, please wait 10 more years of Betatesting and allow Hyperion to give you a new Game: AOS4

Dooooooohhh !

Xtacy, a very bad guy who has already a working Pegasos under a working MorphOS.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 202 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 22-Aug-2003 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Pete):
"Recognized fault is a semi-excused one"

Hi Pete,

Don't lose you time for a Loser. He has been choosen by God ;) He is the One. So, as the song, "let he be"..... alone.

Xtacy. Ask for more.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 203 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 22-Aug-2003 06:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Johan Rönnblom):
"as far I know Hyperion have been pretty good at solving problems with updates and fixes"

He he he.... looks like another well-known company with his Service Pack 1, service pack2, service pack3....

Here is a new new new announcement: OS4 future user, Be prepared to update your system with service pack ;)

Xtacy. Ask for more...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 204 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 22-Aug-2003 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (itix):
"I wonder would it be a drama or a comedy or a drama comedy ?"

As long as I know this sucking community... it looks like more a soap opera.

Xtacy.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 205 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Xtacy):
" Xtacy, a very bad guy who has already a working Pegasos under a working MorphOS."

Well, the hardware may be working, but you can shove your "working MorphOS" where the sun doesn't shine.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 206 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Aug-2003 06:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
"Well, the hardware may be working, but you can shove your "working MorphOS" where the sun doesn't shine."

And the reason for such would be... what?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 207 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (hooligan/dcs):
I guess MorphOS can reach the places other OSes cant?

;-)

/ian/
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 208 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 22-Aug-2003 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
Yes... Bring the MorphOS light to the Darkness where the Sun isn't there.

Xtacy. Ask for more.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 209 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Aug-2003 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (Anonymous):
@Ian

I just want to know if I am using a non-working OS or not. It's always better to hear it from someone who probably haven't even seen MOS/Pegasos for more than a couple minutes... I wouldn't trust myself either :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 210 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (hooligan/dcs):
@hooligan

:-)

Well this is ANN you know Hooligan, generally people don't know about what they're commenting on! :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 211 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 22-Aug-2003 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
>Well, the hardware may be working, but you can shove your "working MorphOS" where >the sun doesn't shine.

hey, morphos workes sometimes....even better after you disable transe jit :)
but reset button gets used pretty much.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 212 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I find it amusing that only MorphOS affi[l]iated people have such issues with our games.

Wow.
Are you trying to beat ainc's "on schedule and rockin'" (for example) in the "EMBARRASSING!!!" department?
Is this what people contacting Hyperion support are told too?

But I guess my questioning this astoundingly stupid brainfart of yours must mean that I suddenly without my knowledge have become "MorphOS affiliated" and no longer want OS4...

I wish that at least the main people behind the products wouldn't perpetuate the absolute BRAINDEAD "camp" trolling á la samface/eva. Or do you all really think it's in your own interests to say things like this?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 213 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 22-Aug-2003 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Anonymous):
And you obvisouly don't think it's in YOUR interest to say what you just said, or you would have signed it with some kind of recognisable name/nick/address, right? ;-)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 214 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 22-Aug-2003 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Anonymous):
And you obvisouly don't think it's in YOUR interest to say what you just said, or you would have signed it with some kind of recognisable name/nick/address, right? ;-)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 215 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Pete):
Well, you see, the nature of bugs is such that some you find easilly, while others take ages to track down.

So, why don't you list some bugs & we can discuss them?

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 216 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Anonymous):
Unless you are a user of MOS 1.4 i suggest you don't try & get others to start a massive flamewar yet again...

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 217 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Xtacy):
The only thing i can't stand is people who never back up their claims.

If you say something is flawed, i expect an explication of *what* is flawed.
If you can do that, great, then we all know the problems are real.
If you can not, then, my good friend, i will consider you a troll

Is that an unfair reasonning?

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 218 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Xtacy):
They're called boing balls here, and the same goes for MOS.

Pot, kettle, black...

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 219 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (hooligan/dcs):
Maybe he doesn't like MOS? That post was uncalled for, same as Xtacy's

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 220 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (hooligan/dcs):
Simple,

Make a list of all the things you want to be able to do
Then see what's on the list that you can do with MOS
If you think the overall result is good, then MOS is good for you

Life's so simple ;)

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 221 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Anonymous):
Ben is right about the issue *IN THIS THREAD*.

Most people here complaining about their games *AT THIS TIME* are well known bluecampers.

Geez people, relax a little bit, i almost miss the silence from the heatwave already!

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 222 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Aug-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (Amon_Re):
No it's actually more simpler. I just use it as my maincomputer. No need for lists or anything like that. If it wouldn't work I'd still be typing this on Windows PC.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 223 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (hooligan/dcs):
I like windows, and all those virusses...

Lots of easy money for my company to be made ;)
Hey, how compatable is MOS with AOS virusses? ;)

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 224 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 22-Aug-2003 09:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Pete):
>What the law states is that if a product is purchased legally, the >purchaser/owner can use it with whatever he want. This is one of the most >basic right of consumer.

Unfortunately the law is only ever used to rip companies off. They allowed Mac Clones & they nearly went bankrupt over it. Fine if you really want to destroy Apple etc then I guess thats up to you, I'm sure all those people running MacOS on non Apple hardware feel l337 or something.

It's not a human rights issue. Laws like this gave us PC's.

Phill
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 225 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Aug-2003 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Pete):
Sorry but Hyperion's games did recieve beta testing. I was one of the testers.
The problem was that when 10 people recieve the game for testing and 8 of them
dissappear (that happened with Shogo), there's not enough time for sufficient
testing. Ben Yoris later jumped in to help.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 226 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 22-Aug-2003 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Don Cox):
This is very true. Had the web been around in the dark days of Medhi Ali the insults and flames would have been far, far worse than what we see here.

Really things aren't that bad - what we have had over the past 12 months is just many cases of 'handbags at ten paces'. :)

Sam
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 227 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Aug-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (Phill):
>Laws like this gave us PC's.

Oh my god! Everyone, let's revolt now and execute everyone responsible for passing this legislation! ;-)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 228 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Amon_Re):
Can I have a cookie too ? I'm hungry :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 229 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Aug-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Anonymous):
Braindead is a rather strong word. Care to tell me a bit more specificly what it is about my reasoning that you find to be "braindead"? Furthermore, care to back up your insults with a name, or are you not hombre/mujer enough to stand up for your opiniones?

Cobarde anónimas...
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 230 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Pete):
"You're acting like a child in a school "

Most of the people act like tht these days :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 231 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Xtacy):
There is no such as bug free software, and never will be.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 232 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Anonymous):
Hmm are you then posting all the Anonymous messages, or am I doing that because my "nick" is also Anonymous :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 233 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 223 (Amon_Re):
I wonder when we will see first MOS virus :)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 234 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 22-Aug-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Xtacy):
What software company today doesn't have fixes for their code? The complexity of the current state of OS and software packages make it near impossible to troubleshoot all bugs. Microsoft has their patches. Apple has their patches. Linux has had even more patches then either. It's amazing that AmigaOS 3.9 had few to no patches and it's a solid system. A good company fixes their mistakes at no cost to the end user.

Hyperion isn't perfect but in some aspects they're better then other programming companies out there.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 235 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 22-Aug-2003 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Xtacy):
working Pegasos under a working MorphOS
----
Working PegasOS okay that's true.

Working MorphOS -- ha, ha, ha, ha... That's a good one. You complain about other's development ability then you say a software that's missing pieces. MorphOS isn't fully functional, it's coming along but come on take a bite of reality here.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 236 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Aug-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (BrianK):
Could you name MorphOS 1.4's missing features please? I ask you to do that.
Before stating anything I'll say that MorphOS 1.4 is now perfectly usuable
for any Amiga user.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 237 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Aug-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (BrianK):
Hate to break it to you, but an OS is never finished, and MOS is in beta stage.

Of course it would be nice to see some list which features are missing from MorphOS. As it seems you know this issue rather well, could you post something like top20 missing features, starting from most important to less important.

I think the MOS developers are watching... this is for mutual benefit.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 238 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 22-Aug-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (hooligan/dcs):
Exactly! That was my point to the previous poster. OSes are never done.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 239 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (hooligan/dcs):
This could actually become intresting ;)

What would you consider to be the things lacking in MOS? I'm asking you because you actually use it :)

With lacking i'm not talking about things like TCP/IP or AREXX or whatever thing usually used to flamebait you guys, but things they haven't implemented/considered yet

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 240 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 22-Aug-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I think the only thing for me was floppy drive support but that might jave been added by now.

Sam
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 241 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2003 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
floppy ?
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 242 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 22-Aug-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (Sam Smith):
Via the Catweazle for Amiga-disks, or via Poseidon/USB, but only for
MS_DOS-formated ones. The onboard controller would also only allow
dos-format, and would force the introducion of some dubiuos legacy-ISA
crap into the kernel. The controller sits in the SB, which is a part
from x86-world, and therefore the controller acts just like one found
in a 1984 IBM-AT ...

Thanks, but no thaks I wouöd say ;)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 243 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 22-Aug-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Before stating anything I'll say that MorphOS 1.4 is now perfectly usuable
> for any Amiga user.

So this is something I really would like to know: Why should any MOS1.4 user even *want* an OS3.9 cd?
I mean, such missing things as TCP/IP and ARexx are often called "not legal" in OS3.9, anything else should be included with MOS (and there's not much software that even needs OS3.5+); for running UAE for hardware banging software (mostly games) I do not need OS3.5/OS3.9, better would be a 1.2 Kickstart for old things and a 3.1 Kickstart for newer (AGA) games, but I bet there's nothing hardware banging around that *needs* OS3.5+.
I really do not get the real point about that OS3.9 thing from Genesi.

Ciao, Alfred
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 244 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Aug-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Amon_Re):
Ok, let's list a few ones I'd personally would like to see in MorphOS

- A way to skip WBStartup
- Overlay support for Radeon 8500/9100
- Possibility to resize a window fullscreen and back by doubleclicking the title
- Possibility to execute dos commands from IControl/Hotkeys
- Software shutdown
- "Usermenu" ala Toolmanager
- Statistics of free mem in titlebar
- Audio.device dummydevice
- Some small issues to be corrected. Like iconified and device icons not going under Panels. There are a few of these.. not exactly bugs but annoying for user.
- MOS Native ARexx
- Some changes in filerequesters
- A small tool to remove crashed programs, like Scout does.
- Network statistics
- Password protection before Ambient is loaded
- ALL Bugs removed :)

Just a few points that quickly occured to my mind.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 245 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Aug-2003 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
There are still several important issues to be addressed, like full integration of the TCP/IP stack, an office suite, 3D support for Radeon cards, more robust web browser and multi-user support for example.

BTW, that is a quote from the excellent MorphOS1.4 review at OSNews.com.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 246 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Aug-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (Phill):
"It's not a human rights issue. Laws like this gave us PC's"

If so, the sooner they are repealed, the better.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 247 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Aug-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (hooligan/dcs):
"- A way to skip WBStartup"

On an Amiga, I keep a drawer called "Disabled" inside the WBStartup drawer. If I want to skip all the programs, I move them all into that drawer.

That should work on MOS too.
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 248 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (hooligan/dcs):
Thx for the list, it shows you're an amiga user tho ;)

Also, some of the things you mentioned can/could be done with commodoties, or does MOS not have this (yet?)?

Cheers
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 249 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Aug-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (Amon_Re):
The commodities interface is there, the Mixer is a commodity for example.
Now, if someone codes the commodities, we're fine:-)
"No deal, no settlement" says Amiga : Comment 250 of 299ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Aug-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 249 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
AHA!

So wich one of the coders is lurking on http://www.victoriassecret.com ? :-P

Cheers
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