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[News] Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs"ANN.lu
Posted on 23-Aug-2003 13:55 GMT by Amon_Re290 comments
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We're testing a patch for the U-Boot / Linux Kernel which takes care of all USB related issues and IDE to IDE DMA transfers which now work 100% reliable.

(Thanks to Adam and Mai Labs for their efforts.)

This was accomplished by tinkering with the VIA 686B settings, nothing else, conclusively proving that the issues are related to that Southbridge and not to the Articia S.

All IRQ' are routed through the VIA 686B and most if not all issues appear to be related to unserviced interrupts.

Hopefully this will end all the FUD about these issue's once & for all. Read the original post here.

Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 151 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Aug-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, this is precisely the kind of stupid comment and #67 earlier that you seem to feel you need to make that gets you in trouble. It seems strange to us that you did not have the courage to discuss anything with us directly at AmiWest. You certainly could have. We really do not blame you for taking Mai at their word. We did. Soon enough there will be another problem, perhaps not with the hardware, maybe it will be for a commercial reason, but your ultimate experience will be as ours and others: Mai will disappoint you. They made lots of promises to us too...

Anyway, forget all the other things and just focus on ONE objective: finish OS4. When this is done you will have accomplished something and perhaps we will find a way to work together. In the meanwhile, you only further excite the situation in the "community."

Concerning the "working hardware" comment...what you and others seem to miss is that the Pegasos I is a development platform. Have you noticed everything being accomplished? With the Pegasos II, MorphOS will advance further still. OS4 Developers can benefit from this platform too. We think that is great. The Pegasos II will be more reliable and effectively cost reduced (no April required) to allow us to build a significantly profitable revenue stream. All this chat about operating systems and hardware is nice, but none of it really matters if it can not be developed into a business. What is your plan?

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 152 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (bbrv):
>The Pegasos II will be more reliable and effectively cost reduced (no April required)

Bill and Raquel,

The April reduced reliability also? I was already aware from private tests conducted that the April 1 seriously impacted memory bandwidth and April 2 alleviated that somewhat compared to the A1XE. It is a shame that the relationship broke down with Mai to the point that you could not get the later ArticiaS revisions in enough numbers to justify production.

I hope also that the rumours about Marvel are also untrue as where would you then go for a Northbridge supplier? The more PPC boards that we have in the marketplace the more vibrant the marketplace will be regardless of whether or not the vendors seek AOS4 licensing.

I recall reading that the Pegasos was targetted for non development purposes at one point, I guess it must have been the whole April problem that stopped that. I can sympathise with what a crushing blow that must have been to your business.

Good luck with Pegasos 2, I hope its as good as the A1XE has become.

Regards

Dave.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 153 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Aug-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (DaveP):
hehehe...

Good try Dave, but this is better:

RANT! Be warned! Can the flamears end?

(see below and last comment)

;-)

R&B
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 154 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by moood on 24-Aug-2003 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (bbrv):
In my opinion comment 148 was hilarious. I think it was some sort of an answer to what Neko wrote in comment 87. That comment might have been a bit low but not as low as the comments you usually make.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 155 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (bbrv):
Good try at what? Engaging you in dialogue? Sharing comisserations with you? Wishing you luck?

People are way too negative about each other it seems.

Dave.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 156 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 24-Aug-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Pete):
"The VIA 686a or b bugs are fixed in Linux since beginning 2002. This fixes are included and working for every architecture that can use these southbridges, including PowerPC."

Recent stable kernels 2.4.21 here for example broke the VIA fixes for some people... Although all is well in 2.5/6
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 157 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Aug-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (DaveP):
You are right. Good review by the way.

Have a great day!

R&B
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 158 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 24-Aug-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Amon_Re):
"There were issue's with the USB ports, they didn't work quite well, this patch solves the problem"

Specifically, UBoot was reading USB just fine, but Linux didn't get ANY USB interrupts. Adam came up with the fix when reading the i8259-compatibility docs of a DIFFERENT southbridge, if my memory isn't failing me.
MAI has been saying all along that they have proven in the lab that the Articia is doing what it should, it's the PIC in the southbridge that's hanging up (this used to rawkill Linux until they ported 2.4.21-something-something (ok, so my memory isn't THAT good after all :-) ))
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 159 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by messiah on 24-Aug-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (bbrv):
>Anyway, forget all the other things and just focus on ONE objective: finish OS4. When this is done you will have accomplished something and perhaps we will find a way to work together. In the meanwhile, you only further excite the situation in the "community."
>
Coming from you(two) that is an absolutely hillarious comment, but I guess its no fun playing(peg-pong wasn´t it??) when people see through your highly comical behaviour(much like Mai and your other former partners have done).

While you are at it would you please show the fellow readers a single comment posted under the BBRV tag that doesnt further the rift in the community(or as you commonly refere it as the Kommunity).
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 160 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Aug-2003 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (messiah):
The Messiah!

Gee Whiz! We thought you would never get here!

Want to play PegPong on an AmigaOne thread?! Maybe we should go somewhere else? How about the OpenAmiga Mocha-on Morph discussion below?

BTW, "Kommunity" refers to blind adherence to a certain dogma as it relates to a certain platform. We think blindness finds itself on both sides of the fence...;-)

Your serve! And, thanks for coming back! We need you here!

:-)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 161 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael on 24-Aug-2003 13:27 GMT
Unless there's a complete product, stable enough to be used with the operating system it was designed for , from "whatever" next gen ppc system manufacturer, I will stop watching kindergarten here on ANN.

So many comments read hundred of times: so much time and money wasted for so many months. We've been asking for a replacement machine for so many fucking years and all we got is two entities throwing mud at each other.

Hyperion, eyetech, Genesi and all the rest : don't even think about opening a chain offering the best selling donuts : it will take you 8 years selecting the right oil and flour in order to sell the first dozen...and of course you would have gone bankrupt long ago.

With PPC manufacturers like you, I hope you won't be teaching Apple a lesson for years to come.

And concerning Amino, 2 years and a half at the control to see the results : anyone would have done better than you ! you brought the beast closer to death you're no better than previous owners, so you don't deserve more sympathy : you are right on track to your own demise.Enjoy

I'm off to the beach...

Mickael

PS : I don't even intend buying a Peg : I won't give a buck to a company that simply don't tolerate drugs (ckeck pretoria web site) because it is said so : many overseas fat-asses destroy themselves on booze cos' it's the worst authorized drug : keep your culture and way of thinking inside you boundaries : don't export it. We loved the classic amiga because it was 'our' machine, not because it was created in florida.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 162 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Aug-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Mickael):
Hi Mickael, Florida? Beach? Boundries?

Where are you? We are in St. Pete's Beach right now (on the Gulf southwest of Tampa). We don't do drugs, but send us an email and stop by for a drink. We are ON the beach...;-) Perhaps, we can bring you up to speed on a few things!

R&B
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 163 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 24-Aug-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Pete):
Mostly the VIA fixes in Linux has consisted of disabling certain features of the communication between a VIA northbridge and a VIA southbride. What we were seeing in this case was actually NOT the same thing. It was the VIA southbridge not being properly initialised due to documentation being misleading. Once the SB was initialised properly the bug disappeared. So it's not a software patch to a hardware bug, it's a software patch to a software bug, which was stated all along. The fact that other boards using the same chip didn't have the same problem doesn't really prove that there wasn't an error in the initialisation of this board, now does it?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 164 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Olegil):
Great post. Lets see someone misinterpret that.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 165 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Fabio Alemagna):
Thx for clarifying

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 166 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Pete):
Here goes..

>The VIA 686a or b bugs are fixed in Linux since beginning 2002. This fixes are >included and working for every architecture that can use these southbridges, >including PowerPC.

Name me one non x86 platform that uses the 686A or 686B VIA chip that runs linuxPPC please, because, the only one i know of is the A1, IIRC the Pegasos uses a different VIA chip then the A1.

If i'm wrong, please tell me

>If there is still problems on AmigaONE systems and if you are to play with >686a or b settings to make the problems disappear, this ONLY means that there >is a problem somewhere else that disturb the southbridge.

Not nessesarily, you'd need to have access to the VIA documentation & detailed chematics to be able to draw that conclusion, also, don't forget that both IRQ controllers are inside the VIA chip.

Care to explain how you drew this conclusion? I might not be a Mobo designer, but i know enough to understand technicall explications, so please do try

>VIA 686a or b works perfectly well under Linux with standard drivers on >2.4.10+ kernels with all the known northbridges on the market, including PPC >northbridges. There is obviously issues when it's used with the Articia S. >Maybe you achieved to remove them by changing settings on the VIA southbridge, >but this has nothing to do with bad working drivers or bad support in Linux.

Again, what other systems have the VIA 686 chip and a PPC processor?

>This must be something else on the motherboard that disturb it. And the real >fix for these problems would be to fix the real disturber instead of playing >with VIA 686 settings to hide the problem.

Mind you that the Pegasos had/has simular issue's, if the problem is inheritent from the Mobo design then both designs would be flawed, if it was the ArticiaS then MAI would have fixed the issue's by now.

Sofar i have yet to see any plausible explication that would point out that the problems are all caused by the ArticiaS, however, i'm willing to accept that the ArticiaS might help in making said problems surface, if enough documentation for this would be provided.

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 167 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 24-Aug-2003 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (DET nicolas):
You're wrong the last working Amiga was the A4000T.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 168 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (bbrv):
BBRV, what are the current plans for the Pegasos II & derived products?
Could you enlighten us of the short term goals you have for this machine?

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 169 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Aug-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Amon_Re):
We should do this on another thread. No reason to create an more problems...;-)

R&B
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 170 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Excuse me, but this comment disqualifies you once again to be of any value when discussing technical issues.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 171 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Messiah on 24-Aug-2003 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (bbrv):
Dear BBRV!

In the private email following this response you forgot to include a unsubscribe adress(required by law for spam emails), in the future could you please remove me from your communications.

Thanks!!
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 172 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Amon_Re):
> Name me one non x86 platform that uses the 686A or 686B VIA chip that runs
> linuxPPC please, because, the only one i know of is the A1, IIRC the Pegasos
> uses a different VIA chip then the A1.

Even if you're not a hardware engineer or don't know anything about PPC systems, maybe you could try a search engine or simply look at the sites of companies that make PPC boards? I see that DaveP has problems with this as well.

Have a look at the most common ones at least. How about this for starters?

http://mcg.motorola.com/cfm/templates/product.cfm?PageID=897&ProductID=151&PageTypeID=1

Hey, it's The 82c686b That Could! :-D

> Again, what other systems have the VIA 686 chip and a PPC processor?

Again, use the Forc... Google, at least. And yes, the board above runs Linux, patched and all.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 173 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Anonymous):
What makes you say this: "I see that DaveP has problems with this as well."

Or is it just the obligatory throw away insult DaveP thing we are all getting used to?

Wake me up if its an interesting or pertinent point of view.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 174 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Aug-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Messiah):
No wonder Amiga Inc went down with as****es like you... :-)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 175 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I'm still laughing because bPlan killed off a working hardware platform You are laughing...what for? It narrows your potential market!Or do you plan to join MAI in the foreseeable future and compete? :-P
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 176 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (DaveP):
>The April reduced reliability also? I was already aware from private tests>conducted that the April 1 seriously impacted memory bandwidth and April 2>alleviated that somewhat compared to the A1XE. Put up or shut up!Come on, provide us with the comparable memory benchmark results of Pegasos,April1 Pegasos, April2 Pegasos and G3 AmigaOne...I am sure this is only hotair again.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 177 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Messiah):
ROTFL!

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 178 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (DaveP):
>Good luck with Pegasos 2, I hope it [will be] as good as the A1XE has become

Dave, as far as I can tell from reading your regular comments, you are guilty of hypocrisy. My impression is that you would rather bite into your desk if the Pegasos 2 turns out to be as good as it looks on paper. Fast, small, cheap. I fail to see in what area the dated A1XE might compete, let alone have the edge?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 179 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 24-Aug-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Nice comment there Alkis! Very sensible too.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 180 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Mickael):
>PS : I don't even intend buying a Peg : I won't give a buck to a company that>simply don't tolerate drugs (ckeck pretoria web site) With the purchase of Pegasos there comes a supply of blue pills. :)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 181 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Anonymous):
The whole world is a hypocrite. You included. Get over it :-)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 182 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Anonymous):
I apologise for not knowing this product, but this is quite different from the A1 in design.

Maybe you could read this pdf (http://www.powerbridge.de/download/manual/cpci/cpci-cpu/mcpn765/MCPN765A-IH3.pdf) and explain to me what the differences are between this & eg the A1?

Refer to page 1-2 for the block shematic of the board.

These things are nothing like your everyday PPC computer, i guess i should have been clearer when i asked that.

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 183 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Well i tought it was funny :)

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 184 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Anonymous):
>PS : I don't even intend buying a Peg : I won't give a buck to a company that
simply don't tolerate drugs

They already have a Buck but are happy to take Euro ;-)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 185 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 17:01 GMT
Well i tought i saw a pussy cat! i did i did... AROS!!!!
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 186 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Amon_Re):
Someone spoofing as Amon_Re again?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 187 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (DaveP):
Yep, same wanker from before :(

I asked Christian to set a password on my nick, but no reply yet.

Oh well, it could be worse i guess

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 188 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by IamCleverToo on 24-Aug-2003 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Troels Ersking):
@Troels Ersking

>> "Maybe it was a drunken MAI employee who provided Genesi with some 24 chips?"

"Sounds more likely that it was a drunken Genesi employee, that _thought_ it was the new revision he received."

This is a newer revision ArticiaS in the Pegasos:
http://polarboing.com/amiwest/amiwest2003/pictures/07250087.jpg

note the .2

the ArticiaS in my system is a .1



"I mean, we have seen this thing with drunken Thendic/Genesi employees before haven't we ;-) "

Don't worry, I'm sure at the OS4 release party we'll get plenty of pics of a drunken Troels ;)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 189 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by tonya on 24-Aug-2003 18:24 GMT
funny this , the bottles are falling.

bbrv: please hurry and order thoose chips again , so everyone will belive u.

neko: pegasos II will ofcourse be thoose chips that was binned :)


bleh its pissing me off, amigainc will win again ....

amiga roxxor!!

pegasos dies and rots in a corner .. while screaming for os4 ...

boring.... but the right stuff!!
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 190 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 20:43 GMT
Anybody remember who reported those CRC errors with respect to SCSI devices on the A1 w/DMA?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 191 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Anonymous):
Well, my Playstation 3 beats your Pegasos 2!
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 192 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (DaveP):
> What makes you say this: "I see that DaveP has problems with this as well."
> Or is it just the obligatory throw away insult DaveP thing we are all getting used to?

DaveP, I apologize for my condescending tone in post 172, honestly.
First off, I remembered a previous poster in this thread who incorrectly claimed that the Terons would be unique in being PPC systems using the 82c686. Now I browse back and see that it was Ben Hermans of all people.

(bigfatparenthesis: But if I'm not mistaken, you have been saying this as well? Not that it really matters who said it. It's still wrong.)

Again, sorry for the inflammatory wording. There is no Vast Anti DaveP Conspiracy. :-)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 193 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Amon_Re):
> These things are nothing like your everyday PPC computer, i guess i should have been clearer when i asked that.

Your everyday PPC computer is a Mac! Not a Teron, Pegasos, Sandpoint, RS/6000 or whatever.

The VIAs in "single board" computers like the one I linked to are southbridges handling e.g. IDE, and the boards run Linux 2.5.x PPC kernels that are long since patched (the exact same patch as in the x86 branch) to fix the known 82c686 bugs. I think that's what we were discussing?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 194 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 21:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (Anonymous):
From http://www.pegasosppc.com/processor.php (right at the bottom of the page):

"VIA supplies many components for the Pegasos including the 8231 southbridge and 6306 controller. The 8231 supplies such things as the serial, parallell, IDE and USB ports for the machine. The 6306 is a high performance IEEE1394 controller providing 3 IEEE-1394 ports for the Pegasos to use."

I don't know if other PPC motherboards use the 686B, but the pegasos is not one of them (according to the above, it uses the 8231).
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 195 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Anonymous):
> don't know if other PPC motherboards use the 686B,

Some obviously do. Read, then reply.

> but the pegasos is not one of them

Well, duh! Has anyone said so?

Read, then reply.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 196 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (Anonymous):
Since either your ignorance or your arrogance prevented you from enlightening us about these other alleged PPC motherboards using the VIA 686 (A or B) southbridge, I did a quick google search for "PPC southbridge", and guess what: the only PPC motherboards that came up are the Terons and the AmigaOnes.

The ball's on your court friend - can you tell us poor plebes about these 686-usin' PPC motherboards? ;)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 197 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Aug-2003 00:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Anonymous):
> Since either your ignorance or your arrogance prevented you from enlightening > us ...
> The ball's on your court friend - can you tell us poor plebes about these
> 686-usin' PPC motherboards? ;)

Please let your nearest Service Technician have a look at your keyboard, mouse, or whatever other device you use for SCROLLING UPWARDS IN YOUR WEB BROWSER WINDOW. That device seems to be dysfunctional. It's not my fault, btw.
Who are "us"? To anyone who's been following this thread it seems like it's only you, 4.33.151.136, who are unable to read what's already been written.

As I was saying: Read, then reply.

> I did a quick google search for "PPC southbridge"

Search engines won't give you relevant search results unless you actually state what you're looking for. You're not looking for "PPC southbridge". When you've fixed your computer, try reading earlier on in this thread like I already suggested. Big fat URL provided for your convenience up there. Then try browsing at least Motorola's and IBM's sites. As for search terms; "powerpc", "82c686", "82c686b", "via", "linux" and so on and so forth might work, since these are the things you're looking for. You get the idea.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 198 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 25-Aug-2003 01:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (bbrv):
@bbrv

"The Pegasos II will be more reliable and effectively cost reduced (no April required) to allow us to build a significantly profitable revenue stream."

No april required? AmigaOne owners are reporting their machines working fine without the April fix. The only small glitch being the VIA bugs, which have just now been fixed up. Why does the PegasosI need the April fix and the AmigaOne doesnt? It doesnt quite make sense to me. What problems did you experience without the April fix?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 199 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Aug-2003 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Anonymous):
Allright, 62.42.228.20, please explain to me how that controller is a computer that I'd like to use to, say, browse the web (as opposed to, say, controlling some industrial process). Silly me, I thought that I wanted IDE and AGP, when what I really need is hot-swap capability in my compactPCI cards. Gee, I wonder if ATI makes any cards in that format. In any case, if you *read* the specs at that link you supplied, you'll notice that the 686 is only used for USB - nothing else (if you want IDE for compact flash, you have to use the model that has a 82C586). Your link is pretty much devoid of useful information in this context. Read, then post.

I say again, Please show us a *consumer* PPC motherboard with the 686 southbridge (and *please* try not to play around with the meaning of the term "consumer", you know what I mean).
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 200 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 25-Aug-2003 02:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Anonymous):
The SBS Adirondack ATX PPC board used the 686B VIA SB.http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/linux/linux-spotlight-adirondack.htmlhttp://www.sbs.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pressrelease.view&Press_ID=272I have a PDF called adirondack_ds.pdf - maybe you can still find it on the web somewhere.
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