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[News] Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs"ANN.lu
Posted on 23-Aug-2003 13:55 GMT by Amon_Re290 comments
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We're testing a patch for the U-Boot / Linux Kernel which takes care of all USB related issues and IDE to IDE DMA transfers which now work 100% reliable.

(Thanks to Adam and Mai Labs for their efforts.)

This was accomplished by tinkering with the VIA 686B settings, nothing else, conclusively proving that the issues are related to that Southbridge and not to the Articia S.

All IRQ' are routed through the VIA 686B and most if not all issues appear to be related to unserviced interrupts.

Hopefully this will end all the FUD about these issue's once & for all. Read the original post here.

Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 51 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 23-Aug-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Amon_Re):
>What causes it if it's true?

its true...happens all the time when copying large or many files over 2 seperate ide channels..its 'curable' if you dont use one of the ide channels.
When burning you must use burner and source hd on same ide channel or burn from ram disk. Its not a big problem, buying a BIG hd and no need to have multiple harddrives spinning/noising.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 52 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
Your pegasos never crashed? Damn! What OS are you running on that thing?! ;)

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 53 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>But since you have no advantage over the competetive product anymore, you could "create" another bug and and release a new bugfix. This would give you a commercial advantage because it will cast doubt among the people

You must be joking. The production costs of that bugfix chip alone are rumoured to be as high as the costs of the complete Pegasos board. There is no commercial advantage whatsoever. It was a necessity and a burden accepted only to deliver a working platform to their developers and early adaptors.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 54 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (catohagen):
Well, it would bug me, if i could only use one of the two channels :(

I mean, in this PC alone i have 3 HD's & a DVD-CDRW combo drive, in my linux server there are again 2 HD's and a CD-rom, my amiga had 5(!) HD's, being a mix of SCSI & IDE drives...

I like lots of storage, and i don't feel like replacing a HD, i just add one :)

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 55 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
You just awnsered your own point, "rumoured to cost"...

I doubt that they would go *that* far tho, i mean, that would be fraude, no?

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 56 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Amon_Re):
>Honest question, what is true about the primary ide controller to secondary ide controller copying causing the machine to crash?

I assume this is a question about the Pegasos? I have a HD on the primary IDE and a CD drive on the secondary IDE and never had a problem copying files (in months). To be fair, the biggest file on my computer is well below 100 MB. I heard about a recommendation to disable the second IDE and connect both drives to the first connector but I have never bothered. It would slow down the HD, wouldn't it?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 57 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
Hmmm... it might slow down the HD, yes, not to sure about that with current IDE devices.

But if that recommandation is true, and if there are indeed issue's, what would cause them? After all, this sounds awfully simular to the DMA problems many trolls were using against the A1 in the first place.

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 58 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Aug-2003 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Amon_Re):
"I don't follow you there, really, because this should be asked at Eyetech, they released the A1."

As far as I know the Hyperion is/was involved in tailoring PPC linux to the AmigaONE board. I may be mistaken though, just as I stated.

VIA is well known about the bugs in their chipsets, and AFAIK they are well known and documented on the net. The problem that buggers me if it really is a VIA issue, then why has it become an issue so long after the AmigaONE got released.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 59 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by AmoN_Re on 23-Aug-2003 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Emeric SH):
Can't awnser that for you there mate, don't know myself.

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 60 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 23-Aug-2003 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Amon_Re):
If you have nothing to say, please don't. But as you are Amon_Re, we all know that you like to pour just this little bit more oil into the fire.

How am I supposed to take your "stop the flaming" serious, when you don't take it serious yourself?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 61 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Amon_Re):
>Your pegasos never crashed? Damn! What OS are you running on that thing?! ;)

Is that your idea of humour? Of course it crashes, just like AmigaOS and Windows and even my digital camera. But I'm hapy to report that it does not have problems with devices connected to both IDE channels and copying.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 62 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 23-Aug-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Amon_Re):
You have been identified as troll once more. And please, don't try to sell your trolling as humour.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 63 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Amon_Re):
>But if that recommandation is true, and if there are indeed issue's, what would cause them?

Come on, where do you live?! Problems with VIA chips and corrupted IDE transactions were all over the place for years. I don't remember technicalities (look it up via google) but it was exactly the same problem: copy from one channel to the other channel and risk corupted data (obviously fixed later with a VIA patch).
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 64 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Neither bPlan nor Thendic/Genesi ever received a revised Articia S from Mai directly. This story is simply false.

Ben, can't help to notice that you are very careful with your words. Along those lines: Hyperion's OS 4 team never received a Pegasos from Genesi directly. And still they have three (or so was said on AmiWest). Go figure.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 65 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Aug-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (JoannaK):
I have no reason to doubt anything which Mai management tells me.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 66 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
The Hyperion Team don't have Pegasos, some beta testers have.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 67 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Aug-2003 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Ofcourse I'm careful with words.

I cannot rule out that they got hold of an AmigaOne and desoldered the chip.

All I am saying is that they did not receive any revised Articia S directly from Mai as they claimed.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 68 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Aug-2003 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
There are at least 3 OS 4 developer who have Pegasos machines.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 69 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Aug-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I think it's the best fact marketing wise for the Pegasos ;)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 70 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Knäbel on 23-Aug-2003 16:33 GMT
Hi Mister " I now everthing better ".
We receive 24 Articia date code 0304.
Same date code as seen on the last ......

Have a nice weekend
Thomas
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 71 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
And those OS4 developers belong to the OS4 core team. That was his question, or I am wrong here ?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 72 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 23-Aug-2003 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben

As Thomas has pointed out, we have received that version. We would be pleased to send you a copy of the Mai shipping invoice if you doubt us (your email link is absent).

Also, we are pleased to hear a few OS4 developers have a Pegasos. You will undoubtedly have more success with the Pegasos in mind.

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 73 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>There are at least 3 OS 4 developer who have Pegasos machines.

Ok, I have a question for you, completely unrelated to this thread: current Pegasos computers apparently are no serious market for you due to the low number of machines manufactured. But since you already have access to those in some form, would you consider porting OS4 for other reasons than sales? I mean as a service to programmers who would like to test their software with OS4 and make necessary adjustments. Many of us developers already have a Pegasos and no plans to purchase yet another PPC computer. There is a limit to office space, not to speak of the costs (frankly, they are quite overpriced on both sides). Supporting OS4 is going to be very difficult for us. That's bad news for you, too, because you might not see some good software released for AOS4. And that might put cusomers off buying it rather than MorphOS, which has had a head start. I wouldn't ask that question if a port to Pegasos hardware was a terribly difficult matter. But it appears as if they are quite similar with very few differences (BIOS flash?), making it a strategic decision rather than a complicated technical issue.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 74 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (DET nicolas):
> Do you really think Genesi would have develop a patch, produce it and then replace all the already sold machine if they could have solve the problem in software ?

Since they were even too stupid to check the known via bugs its pretty obvious they were unable to fix it in a sane way.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 75 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
You should know quite well that Hyperion needs not only a machine but the hardware documentation aswell, which was never offered. Also Hyperion arent a charity and need to survive while genesi have no intention of paying neither porting nor license costs. You picked the wrong path but you should probably be able to recompile it on a friends machine.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 76 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Aug-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (JoannaK):
@JoannaK

"You seem so sure about other
companies works I really can't belive you'll have enough time tu run
your own, especially if you still have that dayjob of yours.."

Ditto for Buck there Joanna. :)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 77 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Aug-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (catohagen):
"its true...happens all the time when copying large or many files over 2 seperate ide channels..its 'curable' if you dont use one of the ide channels.
When burning you must use burner and source hd on same ide channel or burn from ram disk. Its not a big problem, buying a BIG hd and no need to have multiple harddrives spinning/noising."

That is an absolutely ridiculous solution. I have all 4 channels of my system used (2 HDs, CD burner, DVD burner).

What on earth is the point of having the secondary IDE channel if you aren't going to use it, or be able to use it?
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 78 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Anonymous):
>You should know quite well that Hyperion needs not only a machine but the hardware documentation aswell, which was never offered

Actually, I don't know that. These machines are so similar, they have the same CPU and the same chipset - exactly what kind of wonderous documentation is needed? I would expect that everything that is needed with respect to the PPC CPU, the Arctica chipset and the VIA southbridge is already in the hands of Hyperion. The remainder of the mainboard is what, traces connecting these things? (obviously I have no clue about hardware :-) I recall that somebody already managed to boot MorphOS on a A1. Without hardware documentation. The BIOS was flashed and that apparently was all that was needed.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 79 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 23-Aug-2003 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Ray A. Akey):
"What on earth is the point of having the secondary IDE channel if you aren't going to use it, or be able to use it?"

Its there so you can look at it and say to yourself "Wow this is really great, I have a second channel but can't bloody use it; This is some superior design for sure".
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 80 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (bbrv):
Uh oh Bill Buck alert, Let's remeber this text and see what he lied this time to us....
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 81 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 23-Aug-2003 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
"Actually, I don't know that. These machines are so similar, they have the same CPU and the same chipset - exactly what kind of wonderous documentation is needed? "

Boot process,Memory layout, Any "Magic Numbers(TM)" etc.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 82 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (corpse):
>Boot process,Memory layout, Any "Magic Numbers(TM)"

Memory layout?? Magic numbers?? The northbridge sits between CPU and memory and the southbridge between the CPU and the devices (and the PCI bus). It's all nicely standardized. You have memory and that's the end of it. The boot process is a matter of the BIOS, so yes, that part needs consideration. I don't know how many flashes these chips survive with but I'm perfectly willing to occasioanlly flash my Pegasos with an A1 BIOS until somebody like Jens Schönfeld releases a BIOS selector thingy.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 83 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Ray A. Akey):
LOL!! You have no idea
I know the real truth
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 84 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 23-Aug-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Anonymous):
Well I dont know about you guys but Im convinced.






...
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 85 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 23-Aug-2003 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (DaveP):
Yes, the nice in clouds based reasoning did it for me.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 86 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 23-Aug-2003 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Thomas Knäbel):
@ Thomas Knäbel

I thought you where from Frankfurt (D - Germany) and not Amsterdam (NL - Holland)?

Just wanted to check if you where the real Thomas ... There are lots of trolls around ann.lu :o(
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 87 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 23-Aug-2003 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You told me this same story at Amiwest, outside in the hotel forecourt.

"Well what Bill says about receiving new Articia S revisions is false, I have
just been to Mai, and they say they never shipped any".

This has been scanned posted online, Mai did ship these batches of chips to
us, we have the invoice, we have the delivery note, a substantial quantity of
old-revision chips, and a modicum of new revision chips. Okay, so we may not
have the chips anymore, after we disposed of them, but proof of ordering, a
note from Mai saying they are shipped, and a box delivered by courier are
realistic enough in my eyes.

If the CEO of Mai insists that they were never sent to bPlan or Genesi, then
he may well be telling you little white lies: just like the little white lies
he told you when he said that the Articia S had no bugs, after he had signed
a statement to work with Genesi to fix bugs which they had confirmed in
conference and cooperation with Gerald Carda, in person, at Mai, in Fremont.

Forgive me for going over this boring, often-told story again :)

Genesi did not drop Mai like a stone because of chipset bugs. Gerald and Thomas
are *highly* talented engineers. This is not bragging, it is fact. They can fix
bugs like this if they want. And they did. The original quick "hardware fix"
built into the AmigaOne, originally seen as a wire or two on the G3 boards,
was designed by Gerald Carda.

Not even Eyetech, Hyperion or even Mai can find fault with that fix, because
Eyetech have had it integrated into the production G4 boards :)

But it also requires some software patching to make it work right.

It was decided that to fix the bugs in the best way possible would to
implement a hardware workaround, to essentially replace and enhance chipset
logic, rather than perform the dirty hack and provide software fixes. This
means in theory that Pegasos boards in the field are unencumbered by any
problems with dodgy hardware, and aren't relying on "patched bios and kernel"
for every OS we support to run reliably.

For a board that is meant to support variations on Linux, BSD, QNX, MorphOS,
BeOS and so on out of the box, it's not really tenable to expect every one of
them to spend time rearchitecting software patches for their systems, just to
please us.

So.. the hardware fix was implemented, and it works. Unfortunately it costs a
lot of money, and the solution to that - a new revision of the southbridge
which didn't require the hardware fix - was not provided, as promised by Mai.

It proved uneconomical to continue with this line. So we dropped Mai. Not
altogether because of the bugs, but because they are a bunch of backstabbing
liars who are glad to switch sides and dishonour themselves, and their
contracts and agreements. We had an agreement with Mai to be technology
partners and systems integrators. We have the signed agreement for that. Mai
turned around and went with Eyetech. Terrasoft the same. They ran out and
released an announcement to work with Eyetech.

But that deal is now sour, because Terrasoft found it untenable to work
with Mai when such problems arose (both because the AmigaOne was buggy as
hell, and because as an alternative, the Pegasos cost too much with the April
to be viable, BESIDES the fact that we had decied to stop producing it :), and
the same can be said of the Barbie board people, as has been expounded by the
developer here.

Genesi have found a new Northbridge supplier. If it turns out that the VIA
VT8231 chipset exhibits the same bugs as the AmigaOne and original unfixed
Pegasos boards under the Marvel Discovery II, then the egg will be on our
faces. But I think we can rest assured that this isn't going to happen. We
are confident about this. If the bug does not appear with the Discovery II,
the egg will be on your faces - after all, why would the Northbridge choice
affect the operation of the Southbridge? Your position on this is that it
wouldn't.

But who cares anyway? If someone wants an AmigaOne, they should go out and
buy one. I think personally $800 is a little much for an AmigaOne system
(as advertised by Forefront), but what do I know? The Pegasos might be a bit
cheaper, but hey.. you can't buy those. But if someone wanted to they could
try and get one of the last ones from the UK or ComputerCity, or a Phoenix
Phreeboard if they have any available "as rumoured".

I think this story, this argument, this shit-throwing contest is over now. It
doesn't need to be said again. Neither side needs to comment about it. By the
time this argument settles down we will both have two new products out, or we
both hope we will, and then this will all be totally irrelevant.

Then we can argue about how much better our Northbridges are, and which is the
true path to the Amiga spirit. NOT!

Or we can just give it a rest! It's not worth the arguing over AT ALL! We can
all work together and live together in harmony, this isn't life threatening
like Israel vs. Palestine over the Gaza strip, or India vs. Pakistan over
Kashmir... but the arguments are just as stupid. This is about wedges of silicon soldered to some PCB, and some binary coding. It isn't WORTH the fight.

~~

As for most of the users here arguing about what bbrv or bm "lied" about, who
cares? What is important to note here is whatever happened, it'll come out as
truth eventually, from one of those parties. What people think on ANN is
totally irrelevant.

Arguing over who *believes* what happened and which *belief* is correct, is
irrelevant. It doesn't matter if Amon_Re or oGALAXYo or samface gets it right.
Pissing over each other to prove that YOU KNOW MORE THAN THEM, when neither
side of the story is clear or finished yet? What is this?? Why is everyone
making 250-message flamewars about it when they can wait 2 weeks and find it
out in a pleasing, satisfying and calm way?

Can we just get back to seeing how drunk we can get at conventions, and
possibly watching what cool 4k intros come out of demoparties, and every now
and again go and see a movie, ride a bike, visit the mountains, get laid? :)

=Neko=
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 88 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 23-Aug-2003 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anonymous):
"Memory layout??"

Yes, where are all are memory mapped devices mapped to, at what address does the RAM start ...

"Magic numbers??"

Magic numbers ... Like on an AT you need to have a certain value and a certain part of the disk for it too boot it; this is a "Magic Number"

"The northbridge sits between CPU and memory and the southbridge between the CPU and the devices (and the PCI bus). It's all nicely standardized."

Yeah, ok .. right.

"You have memory and that's the end of it."

No you have memory mapped devices.. like a couple uarts, maybe a chunk of NVRAM etc in there too, Your view of computer science is very simplistic.

"I don't know how many flashes these chips survive"

its generally in the 100's of thousands.. but you should know that being a hardware expert and all.

"with but I'm perfectly willing to occasioanlly flash my Pegasos with an A1 BIOS"

An A1 bios would be looking for things to be in certain places.. and thus would be hard pushed to work on a Pegasos.

MOVED : "The boot process is a matter of the BIOS, so yes, that part needs consideration."

if you're going to flash you bios .. the pegasos' standard boot process will mean shit because you would have just replace it duh.

"until somebody like Jens Schönfeld releases a BIOS selector thingy."

I don't think it'd take much to make a pcb with two suitable sockets, a plug to connect it into the existing socket and a switch between the two flash roms Chip select pins.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 89 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 23-Aug-2003 18:28 GMT
"We're testing a patch for the U-Boot / Linux Kernel which takes care of all USB related issues and IDE to IDE DMA transfers which now work 100% reliable."

This is a prime example of a "contradictio in terminis". :)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 90 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 23-Aug-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Nicolas Sallin):
"You have a problem with nicks, Ben Hormons."

He has indeed, it has been a while since I noticed someone with such a hard head as Ben Hormons. I would think twice before making big claims about matters I know little or nothing about, yet Ben Hormons is always doing it. That a person of his incapacity can float around in the "amiga community" is a clear reflection of how rotten this "community" is.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 91 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 23-Aug-2003 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Neko):
Okay, some people decided I wasn't clear enough about this "software" thing,
so let's reiterate some stuff.

The AmigaOne G4 integrated fix apparently still needs some fixing, *according
to Eyetech and Hyperion*. This is what I meant for the first part. As for the
second part: I am making a bit of a sly dig there, hence the quoting
around "patched bios and kernel". We don't believe in dragging our partners
through the sex, lies and videotape like that paragraph suggested. I guess the
sarcasm REALLY doesn't come across in text :)

To clarify: there is no thorough software fix for the Articia bugs, but if
Hyperion think they need one, and it seems to fix the problem, they are free
to implement them, and we won't argue with it.

The Articia April II chipset fix works great, but of course we don't make it
anymore and have dropped that solution for our next products. Our solution
was to fix the problem the way we knew how, and when it turned sour, we found
better people to work with. What we did, then, is irrelevant to our current
product line-up, and irrelevant in terms of what Hyperion think THEIR solution
is.

All I'm REALLY arguing with is this claim that "we received no Mai chips" from
Hermans, and a little exposition of the same-old-story again just to fill the
gaps. We stand by what we said about receiving chips. We say the bugs are still
there. But who cares? We're not using it anymore. We're using Marvell now.
That's what's important to us.

I hope my friends are happy now, next time I will read my posts and take out
all my humour and stuff because it only seems to confuse foreign people :D

=Neko=
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 92 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 23-Aug-2003 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Neko):
Neko

Ben is talking about a fix for the VIA problem and nothing to do with ArticiaS in that respect.

Secondly why did you bin your primary evidence against Mai? Seems a mite careless.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 93 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (corpse):
>Yes, where are all are memory mapped devices mapped to, at what address does the RAM start ...

Well, I'm not hardware expert (at all) but since all the relevant devices seem to be in the southbridge or on PCI cards and show up dynamically in the address space, I really don't know what you are talking about. You seem to have a C64 in mind? Besides, that's all standardized, isn't it? POP as in "PowerPC Open Platform".

>Magic numbers ... Like on an AT you need to have a certain value and a certain part of the disk for it too boot it; this is a "Magic Number"

Give me a break. Hyperion doesn't need documentation on FAT from Genesi, they are not dumb. Besides, I never asked for a port of AO4 to use a MorphOS-formatted partition.
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 94 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 23-Aug-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (DaveP):
@DaveP:

Why a tack against Mai?

"This was accomplished by tinkering with the VIA 686B settings, nothing else, conclusively proving that the issues are related to that Southbridge and not to the Articia S."

Ben Hermans says this, I think it's obvious he's refering to our assurances
that it *was* an Articia S problem.

I respond with a tack against Mai, because WE think the problem is with the
Articia S, because WE fixed problems with it.

But as I said in the end.. whatever the solutions are.. we moved on.

Who cares now? Why did Ben even bring this up?

~

Gah, typo in first post:

when I typed out "a new revision of the southbridge which didn't require the
hardware fix", you all know I meant "a new revision of the northbridge which
didn't require the hardware fix." Mai don't make any of the relevant
southbridges so I think this is obvious, but someone just nagged me, and they
nagged me when I didn't correct it the first time...

.. nag nag nag :)

*gets the duct tape out to silence some people*

=Neko=
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 95 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2003 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Neko):
so you're claiming there is no dma problem with the VIA 686B? ;)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 96 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 23-Aug-2003 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Neko):
@ Neko:

>>This has been scanned posted online, Mai did ship these batches of chips to
us, we have the invoice, we have the delivery note,

I assume this so-called invoice is of similar quality to the "new Amiga Inc CEO business card"? ;-)
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 97 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Tryo):
Please point out where i was pouring oil into the fire in this very thread?

If i'm asked a question i will awnser, and if i don't know the awnser i will say so.

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 98 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Yes, it was an atempt at humor, if it failed, then i apologise.

And yes, everything crashes now & then, even my Nokia crashed on me once or twice.

Cheers
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 99 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 23-Aug-2003 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Darrin):
I've never seen the business card in person. I don't really care who runs
Amiga, it has nothing to do with me, really :)

But I did get shown the real invoice, along with the confirmation of the
shipping.. and they did arrive. This isn't some scanned in fake on the
Amiga.org gallery, this document really exists.

=Neko=
Ben Hermans about the A1 "bugs" : Comment 100 of 290ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Aug-2003 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Tryo):
Call me what you like Tyro, my skin is thick enough.

Cheers
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