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Posted on 25-Aug-2003 19:29 GMT by dammy14 comments
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TeamAROS is trying to generate funding for enhanced bounties by selling Amiga hardware via Redrumloa's EBay actions. Want to help TeamAROS to raise money for bounties and have some unused but working Amiga hardware? Here is your chance to clear out your closets of working Amiga hardware and help support AROS Devs. Redrumloa is kind enough to do cosignment for us on EBay. Profits will be split between Redrumloa and TeamAROS. If your interested, send email to redrumloa@amiga.org for more details.

Dammy

TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 1 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 25-Aug-2003 18:47 GMT
As soon as I get items I will add them to my auctions with 'AROS' in the title.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 2 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 25-Aug-2003 19:50 GMT
Straight up:

Note that this is an effort of "Team AROS" and not The AROS Development group.
It is Team AROS that created and runs this AROS Bounty program.

There are other options for those who want to contribute in one manner or another to the development of AROS. Besides helping with coding, porting, documentation, etc., for those who want to contribute funds to inspire more development, the Bounty program might be an easy route. But if you would prefer to sponsor a task yourself then you can do so, but it helps to have some way of verifing that you will hold up to your side of the deal, and that a programmer does too. I have used rentacoder.com for my own stuff as well as have sponsored "time" for an AROS coder thru his own sponsorship efforts (Adam C.) and Am considering sponsoring AROS project(s) thru rentacoder.com (dependant on my future work income outlook - not computer related).

This proposal of sending Amiga equiptment (paying shipping costs) to another for which they will put up for auction on ebay and upon sale split the proceeds with AROS ......

Straight up: does not sound appealing at all, but more like Amiga antics of the last ten years. Where it'd be better for anyone willing to have the proceeds of something they decide to sell go directly to AROS bounties or otherwise directed towards sponsorships of AROS projects (perhaps thru rentacoder which also uses paypal), to do it themselves thru ebay/paypal, for even the shipping costs (once not twice) would then be paid for by the buyer. And the type of items wouldn't have to be limited to Amiga stuff.

I'm all for supporting AROS and don't want to show any resistance towards anyone pursuing a direction of support for AROS. So I hope the perspective I have shown is taken as constructive critisim (sp?)
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 3 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 25-Aug-2003 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (3seas):
@Tim

Nothing sinister here by me. I was approached and asked to sell some items for TeamAROS on consignment and I agreed. That is all there is to it.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 4 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 25-Aug-2003 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (redrumloa):
redrumloa, I didn't say there was anything sinsiter about it, for I do not know, but only that given the Amiga antics that have gone on for the past decade, I find (and I suspect some others will too) the way it comes across in message and logic is of such stimuli to cause the firing off of reflection of Amiga antics of deception.

I do not doubt that any Amiga stuff others send you, you will put up for auction on ebay and split the proceeds with Team AROS. I believe it is a 50/50 cut. I also recall there being some coffee seller doing such a thing for the Mozilla project, splitting profits on the sale of selected coffees with the Mozilla project (the main project not the Amiga port bounty).

I believe the contributing factors are: (no offence ment - its an "Amiga" antics of deception over a decade which has established these factors)

consumer send (at their expense) value to third_party/middle_man in an association to the name "Amiga", upon which some benefit is to be gain by yet another party but after a cut is taken by middle party.... and somewhere down the line its suppose to eventually benefit the consumer.

in simpler terms - the adding in of complexity that betwen point A and B that drains the potential return value, often to nothing or less (additional costs).

Where logic dictates that a shorter and more direct route would provide greater value to be more likely returned to the consumer.

Having a day long sinus headache I'm sure I could come up with many examples, but one is my buying the Amiga SDK and finding my time effort and money to get it was wasted due to the insane licensing and registration I simply could not accept, therefor reducing the possibility of me doing anything programming wise for AmigaDE. Value went directly to -$100 or so, of which Amiga took their share and the rest, if any went to Tao.

Eventually I was sent the TAO ADK by someone who managed to get the Magizine issue that had it, before they ran out and went out of business, before I got my order in for that issue. But the is the Tao ADK without Amiga stuff.

The point is: I think it is a good idea to try and not stimulate conscious or sub-conscious reflections of bad past mental programming by the dishonest, in promoting the freedom of AROS development.

Because of the impact of my initial reaction, and knowing I'm not alone in being screwed under the name "Amiga" I had to respond, as a matter of supporting AROS and being clear about it.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 5 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 26-Aug-2003 00:46 GMT
So basically I would send my stuff I wish to sell to him, I pay for shipping, he sells it for me and and takes half of the price it sold for, the other half goes to aros. Sounds like I am making that person richer. Why won`t he give it all to aros, minus (ebay)costs. This obviously stinks, I feel not like making him richer, nothing to be gained from that.

Anyone can open an ebay account and sell his stuff, saving on shipping and sending half the profit to aros, or keep it for themselves :-) You could also send it to me, I sell it on ebay and I keep half the loot and send half to aros, what about that?
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 6 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 26-Aug-2003 02:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (amorel):
I don't think you quiet understand what Redrumloa's effort is going to be on this. He's going to make sure it works, adverise it under his name/reputation and then do the shipping to his customers and dealing with the headaches that can arise. Could anyone else do this and donate the proceeds directly? Sure, but if these items have been sitting in a closet for x amount of years, what's the likelyhood of someone actually putting in the effort of setting up a EBay account, creating the advertising and then shipping it off? IMO, it's been sitting in the closet for years just because it's either too painful to throw out or the person doesn't want to dick around with EBay or some other method of selling it so it sits and collects dust. I have three multiserial Zorro2 cards sitting and collecting dust. I don't want to throw these out as I know they use to be as rare as hen's teeth years ago so it's probably still a small bit of demand for them left now. I could throw them out, but why do that when they can do some good?

Old monitors, it's probably not worth shipping it off because of the expense. Some ZIP RAM or A1230 card or something light like that, it's not going to be all that expensive to ship to Redrumloa is what I have imagined. Since your in Europe, it won't concern you until maybe this winter if I can convince 4pLaY to do something like this for Europe area.

Dammy
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 7 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 26-Aug-2003 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (dammy):
I'm in UK, and would be happy to do it. I have 500+ feedback rating.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 8 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 26-Aug-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (amorel):
@amorel

Anyone who wants to sell items themselves and donate directly would be encouraged to do so I'm sure. What I can provide is a system that is in place starting from testing, pictures, picture hosting, advertising, professional packaging and shipping. I already have paid advertising on Amiga.org, and soon will have paid advertising on MZ and possibly other sites. I have been an on again-off again seller since 1998 and have built a loyal core of repeat buyers. I also tend to get higher bids than other sellers due to reputation and repeat buyers.

On top of this is overhead. TeamAROS will get their half before any overhead. I will be responsible for eBay's chunk, PayPal's chunk, IRS' chunk and of course my monthly warehouse rent etc. Any profit will be minimal.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 9 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 26-Aug-2003 11:02 GMT
"any profit will be minimal"

It's not a crime to be in things for a profit. Don't go down that road of pretending you are doing this for altruistic purposes.

Now, on the other hand, this FOR PROFIT service redrumloa is offering is not a bad way to get money into the hands of Team AROS. OF COURSE, it would be better if you sold the items yourself and gave all the money to Team AROS, but there are people who just want to help, but without all of that effort.

Redrumloa handles the hassle, and he gets paid for it. Don't raise him up to be a hero, he's doing it for money. But its a fine service, nevertheless.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 10 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 26-Aug-2003 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (MarkTime):
I want to stress, that selling things on e-bay can be quite a hassle.

You sell it yourself, and if anything goes wrong with that ancient equipment,
you are staring at a negative feedback rating, or a huge expense of replacing
equipment or refunding money, etc.

Believe me, I'd prefer to throw something into the trash than sell it on e-bay, unless it was an easy to ship, highly reliable item.

like dimm's, I'd sell that...but selling a 40lb Amiga 2000...oh heck no....
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 11 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 26-Aug-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (dammy):
"I don't think you quiet understand what Redrumloa's effort is going to be on this. He's going to make sure it works, adverise it under his name/reputation and then do the shipping to his customers and dealing with the headaches that can arise."

Give me a break, I don`t even know the guy, that`s how big of a reputaion he has, not. I have sold enough stuff on ebay and it is a piece of cake to do, it was easy from the beginning. You list it, you sell it, you get paid and you ship it. And shipping worldwide is just as easy as shipping in your own country. You just charge a bit more for shipping and fill in a custom`s form.

And you don`t need advertising really, because you can reach your audience easily on ebay, as they look for things actively themselves. I have sold quite some unusual computer equipment and software which I couldn`t have sold any other way, without any advertising.

"Since your in Europe, it won't concern you until maybe this winter if I can convince 4pLaY to do something like this for Europe area."

Oh yes 4play will be the best guy for that, lol, not really. Hasn`t he been blamed for quite some piracy scams? And as I said, why not send it to me? You can trust me that I take an easy profit and send the rest to aros and I have enough positive ebay rating and experience. You know what, I will do the same for the amiga mozilla project and I will give the money to the coders right away instead of sitting on it like what happens currently(interest anyone? =)

This stinks, whichever way you look at it and anyone who falls for it is a fool.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 12 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 26-Aug-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (MarkTime):
I don`t know what stupid things you did, but it has never been a hassle for me and I have shipped items in excess of 15kg internationally. Just make sure you get paid first. And if you pack it PROPERLY(meaning it should be able ti withstand a drop of 3 feet onto a concrete floor) there is very little to scared about, insure the item of you want and any damage will be taken care of.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 13 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaYeR on 26-Aug-2003 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amorel):
"piracy scams"? dont speak about things you known nothing about litle wanker.
TeamAROS USA Rummage Sale : Comment 14 of 14ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 26-Aug-2003 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (amorel):
Get a life.
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