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[News] OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot?ANN.lu
Posted on 28-Aug-2003 18:03 GMT by Raffaele (Edited on 2003-08-28 22:42:37 GMT by Christian Kemp)209 comments
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According to news from Amigart, the Friedens stated on amigaworld.net that (by now) only the lacks of graphics.library [..] prevents OS4.0 from booting by itself. [ Edited to remove ambiguous wording. - CK ]
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 1 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 28-Aug-2003 16:09 GMT
Oh.. We'll see. I'll expect a big annouceent on that day. Shoudl we
start to make a bets when it happens? (includign the year, for
clatiry).
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 2 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
Joanna, you're a Troll and you know it. Let's bet on when the Pegasos I....VI will finally be able to operate bug free and without a crippled FSB of 100Mhz. Let's bet on when the PegasosII will be available to end users ans state the year.
And I don't mean a picture of the first prototype by the end of september.

Can a moderator please correct the post? The Frieden brothers said on Amigaworld.net that: "The absence of a fully implemented graphics.library is currently the only thing preventing us from booting".
So not a word about bugs. They also said that the only thing they have to do is to replace the functions in the graphics library that are required but not provided by Picasso96. They HOPE have these functions implemented in september. (And to all the BMF's who want to post a where're the pictures of amigaOS4 booting on the amigaone on 1 September: yes, that could also mean the end of september).
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 3 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Aug-2003 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
whats with all the negativity ? why dont you stay out of A1/OS4 threads instead ?
all the shit talk comments is really getting annoying...
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 4 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 28-Aug-2003 16:33 GMT
You mean AmigaOS4 doesn't boot under it's own power yet? I thought it was in private beta supposedly? *Only* Graphics.library prevents it from booting, eek. I predicted 3rd quarter of this year for release, doesn't look like it's going to make it (3 more days).
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 5 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 28-Aug-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
You call Joanna a troll, and then going on to troll yourself against the other side, I would propose that you not match up the Pegasos/Bplan/Genesis track record with Amiga Inc./Hyperion/Eyetech's records on delivery of product, it's not a favorable comparision toward the point you are trying to make by analogy.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 6 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Aug-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (MIKE):
>Genesis track record

well, Genesi cant even deliver products others made :) The PegXlin cd's is still
not available to download even the author sent the cd weeks ago.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 7 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 28-Aug-2003 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
An unknown Anonyomus wrote:

>Can a moderator please correct the post?

Why?

>The Frieden brothers said on Amigaworld.net that:
>"The absence of a fully implemented graphics.library is currently the only thing preventing us from booting".
>So not a word about bugs.

I have also read this:

F.Bros.> - graphics.library is indeed a problem, and that's what we're working on right now.

If not bugs then it must lacks of some important features.

So you can assume them (the lacking features) same as bugs.

Ciao,

Raffaele
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 8 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by MrZammler on 28-Aug-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raffaele):
> So you can assume them (the lacking features) same as bugs.

That's two very different things.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 9 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 28-Aug-2003 17:07 GMT
To all writers who support mainly MorphOS.

Sure OS4.0 at this state of the art suffers the same problems who had MorphOS in its early developing stage.

So why bother people of both platforms with annoying trolling?


And to help change our minds read further:


As a known italian ice-cream TV advertising said (here in Ita):

«TWO flavours is better than one...»


Morphos + AOS4.0 = more chanches for Amiga to live!


Ciao,

Raffaele
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 10 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 28-Aug-2003 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (MIKE):
OS4 boots fine on CSPPC, AFAIK. This news posting totally fails to mention that they were talking about booting the *AmigaONE* into workbench.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 11 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 28-Aug-2003 17:13 GMT
*shrug*
OS4 has been "nearly done" for as long as I can remember.

So here we have the Friedens telling us it's "nearly done" again. Whoopee f'in doo...
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 12 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Peter Gordon):
Why can't I buy it then? Probably because it is not ready yet, may it be because of graphics.lib, which still needs a complete rewrite, or out of other reasons. The outcome is the same.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 13 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 28-Aug-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Lando):
Well it's not really an official update or newsitem from Hyperion, I think these facts just came up on some thread and now it's been posted as a "newsitem" .. so go easy on this one, ok?
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 14 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 28-Aug-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (hooligan/dcs):
Ok.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 15 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 28-Aug-2003 17:32 GMT
nice to hear, hopefully it's released before christmas then.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 16 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 28-Aug-2003 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
I love it. People moan that Hyperion havent even got OS4 booting on the AmigaONE yet, and as soon as it becomes clear that they are probably very close to doing that, its "So what? I can't buy it for the CSPPC yet!"

Always something to bitch about...
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 17 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 28-Aug-2003 17:51 GMT
(Personal opionion.) I couldn't help but notice that the debate is getting more heated on the above-mentioned AW.net forum thread, and that attitudes similar to ANN.lu or Amiga.org are forming (some people trolling, other people over-reacting in defense). Which amuses me in a way, seeing how a handful of people adopted a "better than you" attitude about AW.net when in fact it was just a matter of time before the usual suspects found their way over there, and started behaving the same way they did on the other sites.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 18 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 28-Aug-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Christian Kemp):
Well I think everybody was well aware that trolling and whining would probably hit AW at some point. Guess it up to the moderation, whether it will continue or not.
I like both AW, A.org and ANN, all are diffrent and have their own strengths (and weaknesses).

Keep up the good work Christian :)
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 19 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (MIKE):
Genesi delivered no pruduct to end users. All they delivered is an BETA PPC mainboard with bugs to people talking the risk and being able to live with the bugs. Also MorphOS isn't for sale but since it's beta, it's bundled with a BETA Pegasos for free to get betatested and therefore only available to betatesters. So to summarize this once again: The Pegasos never got passed the Betatester status and can't therefore be called a product. Everyone denying this simple fact is just searching for reasons to troll at Hyperion because AmigaOS4 is not finished yet.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 20 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 28-Aug-2003 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Christian Kemp):
Our Host Christian Kemp wrote:

>(Personal opionion.)
>I couldn't help but notice that the debate is getting more heated on the above-mentioned AW.net forum thread,
>and that attitudes similar to ANN.lu or Amiga.org are forming (some people trolling, other people over-reacting in defense).

Don't worry Chris. it is only the first messages. the level of the thread it will soon raise on about 20-25 with some intelligent postings.

And I also bet a coffee with you that around msg. 75 (from 75 to 100), if we will reach that limit, the technicians will start to talk about -C- statements about on what works and what doesn't works on OS4 graphics library.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 21 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raffaele):
This is exactly the reason why I would like to get this post moderated, becasue BGF's will use these false assumtions as another flamebate
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 22 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-Aug-2003 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Christian Kemp):
As far as I can see, only 1 person was trolling on AW.net and that was simply a case of him trying to state things that he clearly knew nothing about and was corrected by the Friedens. Now look at this thread again and I think you'll find the negastive remarks are being made by the usual suspects in an attempt to undermine the work on OS4.

See the difference now or do I have to be more specific?

Regards.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 23 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Aug-2003 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Does that mean OS4 is "On Schedule and Rock'n" for a 2001 release?

Dammy
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 24 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (dammy):
No that does mean that "We thought it was old news" and that AmigaOS4 will crash and burn soon. It also means that there's no Mai without April and even that We have aqcuired AmigaInc and that we will get rid of Bill McEwen and Fleecy. It even means that the PegasosII is ready for production in september and that AmigaDE is currently ported to the Pegasos. Also effort is underway to get AmigaOS4 running on the PegasosII and we have won the lawsuit against AmigaInc...and so on and so on....

As you see, I can say enough things about Genesi as well. So what's your point.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 25 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Aug-2003 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Christian Kemp):
you find a morphos user trolling on an amiga site amusing ?

guess you want the mos/aos4 flamewars going on a few more years then...
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 26 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 28-Aug-2003 18:33 GMT
All hope is lost. Delete this thread already, we all know where it is heading at.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 27 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 28-Aug-2003 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (catohagen):
That's not what I meant.

You can be sure I would be the first to wish for these pointless flame wars to go away.

What I was commenting on is that a handful of people thought that staging an exodus to a different site was the solution, when it should be clear that the problem is caused both by the parent companies, and their followers, and will always remain the same no matter on which website they are discussed (if that website provides a balanced view and doesn't restrict discussions to one side of the story - which obviously works in both ways).

Anyway. I've been spending too much time on here already. Time to do other, more important things. (Like, catch up on sleep.)
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 28 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Aug-2003 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Christian Kemp):
What I was commenting on is that a handful of people thought that staging an exodus to a different site was the solution, when it should be clear that the problem is caused both by the parent companies, and their followers,
---------------------------

well, the idea still works, just because 1 single user from a different
userbase/community start jerking around, the site becomes as bad as ANN or
A.org ? I have yet to see "Morphos SUXX" threads or other throwing-dirt activities on AW.net, seems users there behave like adults and respect eachother unlike on ANN or A.org, why I don't know...
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 29 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-Aug-2003 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Christian Kemp):
>That's not what I meant.
>You can be sure I would be the first to wish for these pointless flame wars to
> go away.

Oh, sorry. It looked to me as if you we gloating too.

<Darrin sticks hit tail between his legs and stands in the corner facing the wall>
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 30 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 28-Aug-2003 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
Not direct "MorphOS suxx" but sneaky remarks and hidden BS towards the "other camp"
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 31 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
but WOULD you actually buy it, if it were on the shelf now, mr Anonymous. I bet you wouldnt. no, you'd be looking for that FTP site.....
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 32 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 28-Aug-2003 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
>I have yet to see "Morphos SUXX" threads or other throwing-dirt activities on
>AW.net, seems users there behave like adults and respect eachother unlike on
>ANN or A.org, why I don't know...

Sorry but that is UTTER rubbish. MorphOS, the Pegasos, Genesi, and anyone who has anything to do with them, are repeatedly flamed, personally insulted, and have false rumours or just plain lies said about them on amigaworld.net. this is generally accepted (if not encouraged) by the moderators there.

Conversely, anything remotely negative about Amiga Inc or Hyperion is immediately and without exception moderated away, or blasted from all sides with cries of "FUD", "Troll", "Liar", and so on. "Just ignore him, he uses MorphOS".

THAT, and only that, is the reason you don't see flamewars on Amigaworld.net - you simply are NOT allowed to have an opinion of your own - you either toe the pro-Amiga Inc / pro-Hyperion line or it's not even worth registering.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 33 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Aug-2003 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Lando):
that is UTTER rubbish. MorphOS, the Pegasos, Genesi, and anyone who has anything to do with them, are repeatedly flamed, personally insulted, and have false rumours or just plain lies said about them on amigaworld.net.
-------------

oh..sorry, but i haven't seen such stuff on aw.net....i've seen it on ann/a.org
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 34 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by A on 28-Aug-2003 19:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Darrin):
<Darrin sticks hit tail between his legs and stands in the corner facing the wall>

I pee'd in the corner!
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 35 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Trolski on 28-Aug-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
" Joanna, you're a Troll and you know it. "

Non, Joannak is how do I say.. ummmmm she have massive crush on benji hermans!!!!
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 36 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 28-Aug-2003 20:04 GMT
Ahem, Christian...

When you edited my title, you wrote:

[ Edited to remove ambiguous wording. - CK ]

I have had preferred you had wrote:

«Edited to remove UNCORRECT wording. - CK»

I prefer more to pass as *erroneus irresponsible* than *AMBIGUOUS*...

:-/

;-)))))))))))))))))))

Ciao,

Raffaele
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 37 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 20:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Trolski):
Then she should get it sorted out in privat. This rubbish comments will only work against her.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 38 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 28-Aug-2003 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (catohagen):
Catohagen: I only wonder how those people on AmigaWorld would react if
they knew you actually have Pegasos and use MorphOS daily basis? I'm
quite sure you would see some really nice commenting if they ever
found out :)
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 39 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 28-Aug-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
What? Have to say some of you people here can have really sick
imagination... Hermans ain't really my type anyhow. I prefer them
well oiled and in good shape :-)
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 40 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-Aug-2003 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (JoannaK):
>I prefer them well oiled...

"well oiled"? That's slang for "drunk" in the UK. :-)
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 41 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Lando):
And that comes as a suprise when you start flaming AmigaInc,AmigaOS4 and the coders of AmigaOS4 on an Amiga site?
Why are some people to blind to see that you shouldn't visit a Amiga site if you don't like the Amiga?
What do you think what happens when I start flaming Genesi and MorphOS on www.morphos-news.de? I'm getting censored and moderated like never seen before and guess what? I fully agree with them I don't even expect them to do anything else, because i'm posting my rants in the wrong place.

Amiga.org ("thanks" to Wayne) and ANN.lu (Former Amiga News Network) chose to be "neutral" and allow both parties to speak freely. Well, then it's only natural that the place turns into an battle zone because of the simple fact that there's one natural successor of AmigaOS and the Amiga in general, and a another party trying to undermine that position. So two rivals are born. And rivals don't drink a beer with each other, they fight. And as long as Webmasters don't pick a side, but want to remain "neutral" or as long as no rival dies. The battle will continue and dedicated sites will filter the spam of the other side out.

This happens to Amiga.org (formally called an BAF site, by BGF's when it was in the red corner) and here on ANN.lu (after it was changed from Amiga News Network to the meaningless ANN), while MorphOS-new.de, Morphzone and amigaworld.net remain more or less clean.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 42 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Amon Re on 28-Aug-2003 20:41 GMT
I will also admit I do have a Pegasos and run MorphOS everyday. I am awaiting the release of OS4 for Pegasos also.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 43 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 28-Aug-2003 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Darrin):
Ah.. Was thinking about oliveoils, perhaps some nice soft butter etc..
Ah well. this is getting too much X-rated to be on public site.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 44 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Ed on 28-Aug-2003 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (catohagen):
I'll say. I'm also sick of all this negative crap from these jokers who don't seem to like the Amiga. Why don't you folks get yourselves a Sinclair Timex to occupy your time. Sure, Amiga Inc. has fallen on hard times. I'd be willing to donate $50 to help them out. Maybe, if a few thousand others did that, they could apply more push to projects like OS4 and get it rolling to completion. In turn, the A1 would start moving.

So why don't all you nay sayers buzzz offf! Or, better yet, put your money where your collective mouths are.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 45 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 28-Aug-2003 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (JoannaK):
Catohagen: I only wonder how those people on AmigaWorld would react if
they knew you actually have Pegasos and use MorphOS daily basis? I'm
quite sure you would see some really nice commenting if they ever
found out :)

I guess 'those people' read ann/a.org too....i dont try to hide i bought
a pegasos, I 'bought' my pegasos openly on ann, with me and Gunne(GSS data)
talking about what gfx card and ram i should choose..also BBRV was there
telling me i would get a t-shirt if i got one(which i didnt get btw)

I guess i should start preparing for hate mails now :)
(i filled out my email for easy access)
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 46 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 28-Aug-2003 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (hooligan/dcs):
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Trusted user) on 28-Aug-2003 20:33:18
All hope is lost. Delete this thread already, we all know where it is heading at.
------------------------

A good item about AOS4.0 deleted? Yes, I'll drink to that! :((

Okay, I'm sure you've probably said the same about MorphOS threads that got too heated too, but "we" don't get too many chances to post stuff.


Anyhow, I seem to remember that there were people that said OS4.0 was shelved, never seeing the light of day, etc., etc., .... really now? (You may have said it, but I'm not talking about anyone specific, cause I can't remember from the tons of threads I've sifted through.)


AmigaOne! AOS4.0's guaranteed release date is xx/xx/2003!!!!!! :-D
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 47 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Ed):
"I'll say. I'm also sick of all this negative crap from these jokers who don't seem to like the Amiga. Why don't you folks get yourselves a Sinclair Timex to occupy your time. Sure, Amiga Inc. has fallen on hard times. I'd be willing to donate $50 to help them out. Maybe, if a few thousand others did that, they could apply more push to projects like OS4 and get it rolling to completion. In turn, the A1 would start moving.

So why don't all you nay sayers buzzz offf! Or, better yet, put your money where your collective mouths are."

Nice try Ray.
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 48 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 28-Aug-2003 21:25 GMT
The Pegasos (not Betatester, that was last year..) is not a real
product? Then I guess I'm not writing this either?
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 49 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2003 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
@Anonymous (217.120.208.92) on 28-Aug-2003 22:30:56

"This happens to Amiga.org (formally called an BAF site, by BGF's when it was in the red corner) and here on ANN.lu (after it was changed from Amiga News Network to the meaningless ANN), while MorphOS-new.de, Morphzone and amigaworld.net remain more or less clean. "

So are you a BAF or a BGF?
OS4.0 - only one library away from AmigaOne boot? : Comment 50 of 209ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-Aug-2003 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (JoannaK):
Thanks for that - I'm now scarred for life!!! I now have this horrible image in my mind of you covering yourself with "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" while doing unspeakable things to Ben with a jar of olives!!! Arrrggghhhh.
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