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Posted on 06-Sep-2003 13:22 GMT by Ron van Herk211 comments
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There is a new press release by Genesi, regarding the Pegasos II and a new Phoenix offer. Read all about it here.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 1 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 06-Sep-2003 12:41 GMT
This sound really nice.

But I'm waiting for comments from first user and specifications.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 2 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by breed on 06-Sep-2003 12:44 GMT
Yes :))))
Very good news, gogogogogogo!

@bbrv: I want a Peg2 for free :)))
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 3 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (breed):
okokokokokok...

What can you do to help advance the platform? All serious inquiries considered.

Financing available to qualified buyers who develop for the platform.


R&B
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 4 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 06-Sep-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (bbrv):
@bbrv

I'd already know a developer who'd certainly be interested (you may remember). I'm still waiting for feedback from him, though.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 5 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 06-Sep-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (bbrv):
Is the first run of Pegasos 2 a Beta Tester system, or not. I would like a concise and correct answer.

I am surprised you are reselling the Peg 1 boards. Are you relabeling these as still beta tester systems? If not these units are questionable in terms of being suitable for the purpose intended.

AdmV
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 6 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 06-Sep-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (AdmV):
> I am surprised you are reselling the Peg 1 boards.

Really? surprised?

What else wold they do with them? Cut them up and make clocks to sell on thinkgeek.com? :)
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 7 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 06-Sep-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (AdmV):
@AdmV

And that purpose you seem to not get.

The text clearly says threw Phoenix ONLY, as far as I know
Phoenix only sell to developers. And it is not done by clicking on
a buy-now button. And the price: Euro 99. Ooh, that must definately be
a brand new from the factory motherboard!
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 8 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 06-Sep-2003 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Leif):
I understand that.

But even so, its not a free product. You are buying a motherboard that has some issues (yes, even today), and wether you are a developer or not, a product has to be suitable for the purpose intended.

You know, technically, its illegal to sell a product you know is faulty. But I digress, most people interested are willing to forgive that to get their hands on a board. My main interest is wether the P2 is a beta tester board or not.

AdmV
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 9 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Sep-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AdmV):
> But even so, its not a free product. You are buying a motherboard that has some
> issues (yes, even today), and wether you are a developer or not, a product has
> to be suitable for the purpose intended.

and the purpose intended is...?

> You know, technically, its illegal to sell a product you know is faulty.

Not if you say "hey, look, this is faulty", and the other party says "ok, it's fine, as long as I pay so little for it".
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 10 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AdmV):
No. It's completely _fine_ to sell a product that you know is faulty.

It's only illegal if you choose not to tell the customer what you know about the product OR if the fault is really _dangerous_

Shops sell women slightly stained or incorrectly sewn garmets all the time, it's called a "spoil" and you pay a lot less for it. They are clearly marked.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 11 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 06-Sep-2003 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AdmV):
@AdmV

Well, by that reasoning, most shareware developers, or even commercial
developers are ilegal then. The know their products have issues.
I think it just is that way in the computer-buissiness.
Then it is a question about if theese issues are hidden or explained.

About the P2 beeing beta, I think I read somewhere that it would be
beta. At first. It seems logical too, as it is a new product, that
could have problems. On the other hand, I see no mention of this in
this "press-release". Maybe it was a simple procedure to switch NB.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 12 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Leif):
...anyone in for PegPong?!

We are seriously looking at taking a portion of the 5000 unit production and putting it in one of these with an ATARI PowerPC label. We could call it Amiga/BSD/Linux/BeOS-ready!

Feedback please!

Morph is more than an OS! It is a CONCEPT!

:-D
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 13 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (bbrv):
here...

http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv03/cebit3/PegasosPPC_STB.jpg
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 14 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Sep-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (T_Bone):
But would those clocks run properly without the April? ;)

Looking forward to a review of the board tho

Cheers
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 15 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 06-Sep-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (bbrv):
Whu would you call it Atari? It has absolutely nothing to do with that brand.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 16 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Gareth Knight on 06-Sep-2003 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (bbrv):
Bill Buck wrote:
>Morph is more than an OS! It is a CONCEPT!

I thought Morph was a plasticene character from a 1980s art show. See
http://www.tonyhart.nildram.co.uk/morph.htm
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/atom_385

Morph would be a great character to advertise MorphOS. The original animations were created on the Amiga.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 17 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (LinusG):
Because it's about pushing a new platform and riding on fame and glory of others.
I really hope he's going to call it AtariPPC. Apparently he doesn't know anything about the Amiga vs. Atari history.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 18 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Come on Guys! Loosen up a little.

Read this:

http://secfilings.nasdaq.com/filingFrameset.asp?FileName=0000950123%2D03%2D010116%2Etxt&FilePath=%5C2003%5C09%5C05%5C&CoName=ATARI+INC&FormType=S%2D2%2FA&RcvdDate=9%2F5%2F2003&pdf=

It is big, but it will not take but a couple of pages to figure out the possibilities...;-)

R&B
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 19 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 06-Sep-2003 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (bbrv):
I still don't see any reason for why you should call a platform Atari when it has nothing to do with Atari computers.

It can only be about trying to get som extra sales because of the name.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 20 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (LinusG):
Linus, what does Infogrames have to do with Atari? Well, they own the name now for one and they will now raise around $130 million through an equity offering. Branding is about leveraging a name that means something to the mass market. That is why Infogrames bought the name Atari and changed their name to Atari. They make games; they want to sell more. Come on Linus, Enter the Matrix! Read this on the third page:

OUR STRATEGY

Our objectives are to improve our leadership ...

<snip>

--invest selectively in emerging technologies and early stage development for next-generation consoles.
===========

What is a computer Linus? What was a computer? What will the "computer" be? What is Atari?! The PPC architecture is increasingly becoming a commodity. It will become cheaper. It is efficient. It is destined for mobility and an all-purpose gateway like device linked 24/7 to a broadband ISP with WIFI features that con support multiple in home devices? Why not call it an Atari?

A few months ago Nolan Bushnell even joined Phoenix! ;-)

PegPower!

:-)
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 21 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (bbrv):
An Atari is something that an amiga user don't want to use or buy. You've got a lot to learn.....

But please continue your plan an put a nice Atari name and logo on every PegasosII box. Then the little remaining of sympathy for you in this community is lost as well.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 22 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
You know just to make you happy we might call it an Atari Amiga! (Amiga Atari?!) :-)

There you go!

Feel better now?!

:-)
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 23 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (bbrv):
...get it?

AA Chipset!
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 24 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 06-Sep-2003 16:36 GMT
They have announced 5K+ machines with an AmigaOS API compatible system, and you just keep on bitching? Whatever, if all this comes true I congratulate them.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 25 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (bbrv):
Instead of Advanced Amiga, it could be Atari Amiga!

Where are the PegPong players today?!

Advantage Genesi!
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 26 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 06-Sep-2003 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (bbrv):
Speaking of AA, That reminds me, whenever I get a weekend free I need to put that nice new FPGA onto the breadboard and show off something... tee hee.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 27 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (LinusG):
@ LinusG
"I still don't see any reason for why you should call a platform Atari when it has nothing to do with Atari computers."

Just like the AmigaOne strategy, nothing to do with a real amiga except for the name.

"It can only be about trying to get som extra sales because of the name."

Sounds like what AmihaInc have been trying to do for a few years now and failing miserably.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 28 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Well, maybe they executed poorly, but, do not blame them. The problem began with CBM.

Research conducted on corporate and brand identity has shown that a company's brand image has the ability to shift the demand curve of a product or service, positively or negatively. A strong, positive brand has a direct influence over buyers' purchasing decisions, benefits customer and employee retention and loyalty, improves the ability to attract top talent and has a tangible impact on whether or not to invest in a company.

What could be wrong with that? Atari still has a good name and it is getting better!

R&B
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 29 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (bbrv):
Nope....And F^ck off with your childish PegPong.

You will not be able to call anything an Amiga. Now go away and annoy some innocent Atari users.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 30 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
Hi Mr. I-am-such-a-coward-I-am-afraid-to-use-my-name!

How are you doing you mental lightweight?! What intelligent dribble do you have for us today? In a year guys like you won't be here anymore. Why? Because you have nothing to offer and you have no contribution to make!

Try discussion.

Attempt to present a coherent thought in contrast or agreement to the opinions stated above. If that is too tough just start your own thread.

PegPong! Swing away!
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 31 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Emeric SH):
>They have announced 5K+ machines with an AmigaOS API compatible system, and >you just keep on bitching? Whatever, if all this comes true I congratulate them

a) They are not going to sell 5K units to Amiga users.
b) API compatible just isn't AmigaOS, so who cares
c) They are going to call an PPC box, which runs a wannabe AmigaOS OS an Atari. This is just hilarous....
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 32 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Sep-2003 17:13 GMT
One thing is for sure: there will never be an Atari at my house.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 33 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (hooligan/dcs):
Mikko, why not?

R&B
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 34 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 06-Sep-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (AdmV):
Adm,
I think the majority of Peg I's that come back would be fully
April2'ized since these are the majority of those that exist in the
field. An April2 Peg I is very functional and more than up to the task
of development - heck people even developed on April-less boards and
they *are* a pig ;-)

As for re-selling, they are clerly advertised as second hand
boards. 99E for something I paid 499 for..who the heck could resist
this kind of bargain...the only stipulation that you join Phoenix and
develop something..heck port 'hello world' from Linux ;-)

Cheers,

Steve
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 35 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (bbrv):
LOL!! Running out of arguments already Billy boy?? :-)
Let's start another swearing-and-abusing-from-your-side thread.
Mister I-have-no-talent-and-i'm-just-not-business-man-enough-to-act-professional-and-create-my-own-business-instead-of-riding-on-others-fame-and-glory.
You want to ride on the Amiga brand and come up with this great idea to call your product an Atari? Do you feel that someone is taking you serious when your standing in front of him/her? (that's BMF's and members of your sect NOT included)
You just showed of anotherstupidity in your "business" plan.

You know your whole business plan sound much like: Hey guys we have this great (enter here another stupis idea) idea. What do you think of it?.....No...erm...let's come up with something else.....
And you call yourself a professional with a business plan......
But then again you can always start your own cabaret.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 36 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Sep-2003 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Names mean shit 4 me.
The "feel" is what counts.
Other do care about names.
Atari is the bigger/"cleaner" brand.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 37 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (bbrv):
WHOEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to be succesfull, then know at least the past.
You don't have a track record to call yourself a businessman, and i'm afraid that this will go on for a while when you ask "Why not?" when the answer is very obvious....
*/me shakes his head* some people just don't have talent.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 38 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 06-Sep-2003 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (hooligan/dcs):
>One thing is for sure: there will never be an Atari at my house.

Well, it should run much cooler outside, during winter :-)
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 39 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Kronos):
Of course Kronos. If your saint Bill Buck decides to call the PegasosII box a Wintel box(TM) and rename Morefuss(TM) to Windows1.5Beta than you still don't care about the name right?

Zealotism(TM) is weird.....
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 40 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Sep-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
If it is just the name .......
;)

Trolling must be fun
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 41 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (JKD):
Hi Steve, thanks!

Mr. Anonymous Weenie...please enlighten us. What is your business that you have created? Do you know what a business plan is? Do you understand the purpose of this discussion? Can you please try to produce something more than concrete than cheap personal attacks? I do not call myself anything, but we are trying to build a Company that has a growing and profitale business in a NEW world of computing. You can stay behind if you want. That is your choice. You do not even have to buy a Pegasos or use MorphOS. ;-)

Actually, Kronos hardly considers me a saint. Anyone who had been on #morphos today new that...;-) Thanks Kronos for the feedback.

Ping!
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 42 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 06-Sep-2003 17:31 GMT
How funny, those who care so much for the name doesn't have one...
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 43 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 06-Sep-2003 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
/* quote
a) They are not going to sell 5K units to Amiga users.
b) API compatible just isn't AmigaOS, so who cares
c) They are going to call an PPC box, which runs a wannabe AmigaOS OS an Atari. This is just hilarous....
*/

a. Certainly not, but the most important is to sell it in order to get money and it's a good thing.
Why should Amiga users be the only people who have the privilege to have a Pegasos. Linux, BSDs users deserve to have it.

b. No AmigaOS is 68k and last version is 3.1. Any 3.5 and 3.9 are just bugs fixes and patches no major update.
Any PPC OS just can't be an AmigaOS but an AmigaOS compatible.

c. no comments ...
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 44 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 06-Sep-2003 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (bbrv):
Because an Atari is something completely different.
Usually I'm not calling my GF's dog a cat either.

Your plans will certainly work out for the broad majority you're aiming at, but don't expect that many of your short- and mid-term core customers, i.e. of the past and present Amiga-users, to love you for doing this. To us, the Atari was the archenemy. And therefore, to me, calling an Amiga Atari is - pardon - perverted.

I'm rather surprized that you do seem to not understand this. On the one hand you acknowledge that names aren't hollow words (i.e. see value in a known brand), but on the other hand you're not understanding those of us who do have for the very same reason a big disliking of that name (at least when aimed for an Amiga)?

But again: for the broader market your strategy of course might be a good idea. I just don't like it.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 45 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (bbrv):
You sound like Elbox :-)

Am I underpriviledged now, while staying what you call "behind".
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 46 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Emeric SH):
Actaully the other way around. Those who say that they don't care about a name are trying very hard to obtain one.
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 47 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 06-Sep-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Emeric SH):
@Senex...how many generations does it take enemies to be friends?

;-)
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 48 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by NO NAME on 06-Sep-2003 17:38 GMT
I don´t care about the name of a computer. I´m not a zealot like the anonymous guys.

ATARI is good for me
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 49 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (bbrv):
Ask my grand grand grandson if he likes you already ;-)
Genesi press release: Pegasos II Offer : Comment 50 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2003 17:41 GMT
Has the specification of Peg II been confirmed yet? Any pictures of the prototype? Sounds very good value to me!!

/ian/
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