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Posted on 10-Sep-2003 13:52 GMT by Christophe Decanini (Edited on 2003-09-10 15:53:08 GMT by Christophe Decanini)34 comments
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There are a lot of emotions involved in the last week threads. I would like people to calm down a little bit and refrain to post their feelings as news items.
I would also like people to respect more each other. We don't need the personal attacks, insults and so on.
My time to moderate is limited and if these things persist I may have to remove more posts (and to simplify the job full threads) involving trolling, flames, insults and so on.

Thank you for your understanding.
ANN moderation : Comment 1 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (65.161.65.104) on 10-Sep-2003 12:12 GMT
You should remove Ray A Akey as a trusted user. Ray is a very dangerous person. He is responsible for a lot of the Anonymous posts here and uses anonymous proxies to post here anonymously in support of his viewponts.
ANN moderation : Comment 2 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (195.137.95.234) on 10-Sep-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
*rolls eyes*

/ian/
ANN moderation : Comment 3 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen (213.65.89.169) on 10-Sep-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
He he... so you aren't anonymous then... ? :-)

Well, I will not give any more answer... one is enough...
ANN moderation : Comment 4 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH (195.38.100.106) on 10-Sep-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Let me guess: you are Ray A. Akey as well, right? :)
ANN moderation : Comment 5 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (62.165.185.54) on 10-Sep-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
*scratches balls*

/hooligan/
ANN moderation : Comment 6 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by tonya (80.202.195.200) on 10-Sep-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
i vote for non anon accounts. thats all..

sick and tired of acusations against people and i am tired of reply's to anon people.
ANN moderation : Comment 7 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers (209.202.71.196) on 10-Sep-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Umm... "Trusted User" only means that the person logged-in using a password and therefore the person that has posted really is "Ray Akey". It doesn't mean that the person is a moderator or anything.

Chris, perhaps the "trusted user" terminology should be changed to something like "logged in user" or "password verified user". :)
ANN moderation : Comment 8 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (tonya):
Actually I and Ian signed so you're barking at the wrong tree.

Anyway, for the sake of conversation, what would change if everybody had to register?
How long it takes to create a few accounts on different ip's using proxies.. half an hour? So the same people would still be here, just not called Anonymous.
ANN moderation : Comment 9 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH (195.38.100.106) on 10-Sep-2003 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Stephane Desrosiers):
"Genuine post" maybe?
ANN moderation : Comment 10 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 12:45 GMT
"registered member" ?
ANN moderation : Comment 11 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.9.225.116) on 10-Sep-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Stephane Desrosiers):
As someone who has been accused of being an anonymizer proxy address for Gary Peake and Ray Akey I say that people like this guy being daft enough to mount a personal attack on someone should just lighten up.

Oh, and next time point out what this big "danger" is. Akey seems pretty harmless to me, perhaps
you are worried that he has a gun license or jaywalks or something?
ANN moderation : Comment 12 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (195.137.95.234) on 10-Sep-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (hooligan/dcs):
tbh I think you're right - if people really want to post flamebait/insults etc then they will find a way to do it regardless of whether anonymous postings are allowed or not.

That said, preventing anonymous posting will probably stop a lot of people who put stupid comments in because its that easy...

/ian/
ANN moderation : Comment 13 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil (195.1.135.34) on 10-Sep-2003 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
In that case I dread what they think about me. I actually HAVE a gun license, and I kill things every year :-)
ANN moderation : Comment 14 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (65.161.65.104) on 10-Sep-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
>> *rolls eyes*

>> /ian/

he must be gettin a hummer
ANN moderation : Comment 15 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (62.231.155.142) on 10-Sep-2003 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Just delete whole threads of meaningless fighting if they are unmoderated and not news items. Only the 4 or 5 people posting in them to fight actually read them anyway.
ANN moderation : Comment 16 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
"You should remove Ray A Akey as a trusted user. Ray is a very dangerous person. He is responsible for a lot of the Anonymous posts here and uses anonymous proxies to post here anonymously in support of his viewponts."

A good rule to follow is not to post anything which is a critical or negative description of the character of any other poster.
ANN moderation : Comment 17 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Don Cox):
Not to mention, it would be VERY easy for me to disprove his lame accusations.

However, if it entertains a few of the mindless and less creative, to read that I am an evil character responsible for world hunger and the collapse of beauty pageants worldwide, then so be it.

At least if these tossers are focusing on me, they aren't out beating up old ladies and raping cows. [M00!] :)
ANN moderation : Comment 18 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Why do I see people worried about Ray Akey posting as anon when there are obviously so many others doing it? As far as IP spoofing, masking, anonimizers, nothing being said really makes it worthwhile to worry about ANYWAY, and no proof any of it is Ray Akey, who seems able to speak under his own name anyway...

Cheap shots and ugliness are not uncommon from a person named Anonymous - but there are also some other posts from some other poor person who has the misfortune of having the same name that are actually pretty decent ; } Too bad it gets so confusing ; }
ANN moderation : Comment 19 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 10-Sep-2003 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ray A. Akey):
> At least if these tossers are focusing on me

Put yourself in their shoes. You work for a company that for all intents and purposes, for whatever reason, has ripped them off. Your company wasn't paying employees or rent when the offer went out to customers for the purpose of "estimating demand." Your company spent the money and has less than $100 left.

You've got a reason to go on, your time is invested and probably won't be rewarded unless Amiga comes into a windfall of millions. You've got a lot invested in the company, and you made this choice. The costomers never chose to expose their money to investment risk like you have, and they are mad.

It's probably not fair the crap you're recieving, but your situation is much fairer than those who never had the choice of exposing themselves to investment risk, thinking they were simply "customers."
ANN moderation : Comment 20 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (greenboy):
The difference, greenboy, is that I have the testicular fortitude to speak using my own name. I don't use proxies or post as anonymous and don't ever intend to start doing it.

However, as I said, as long as they're focused on me, someone who can take the heat, they aren't off beating on Granny Clampett or some other weak target. :)
ANN moderation : Comment 21 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ray A. Akey):
"The difference, greenboy, is that I have the testicular fortitude to speak using my own name. I don't use proxies or post as anonymous and don't ever intend to start doing it"

I agree (and agreed) entirely, Ray. Some of these people must not do to well in non-internet communications if they find themselves incapable of expressing their thoughts and feelings. And given their posts here, I can see why they would be afraid to - not exactly high on the modicum of social skills that keep stabbings, fist fights, and shootings from happening ; }
ANN moderation : Comment 22 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (T_Bone):
..and I can accept the criticism for it *from those customers* but not from agenda-driven individuals (and I don't mean you, T_Bone).
ANN moderation : Comment 23 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey (Registered user) on 10-Sep-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (greenboy):
So, what you're really saying is don't ever give them a living community in virtual suburbia as it would turn into just another hood?

Or are you saying ANN is the literary version of the hood?

Or are you saying.. oh never mind. ;)
ANN moderation : Comment 24 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Druideck (142.173.229.49) on 10-Sep-2003 23:53 GMT
We are all big boys and girls, we don't have to take insults and flames etc.
so personally do we. Just water off a ducks back, quack, quack! :)
ANN moderation : Comment 25 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE (82.40.24.228) on 11-Sep-2003 04:29 GMT
Accusing Ray of using open proxies is nonsense. He wouldn't have been banned from Amiga.org if he knew how to do that. :D
ANN moderation : Comment 26 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey (Registered user) on 11-Sep-2003 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (XraalE):
And you're just one of the sheep following Wayne Hunt's baseless accusations. And for your information, I am no longer banned from amiga.org. You see, there are *some* reasonable people there, and less of your type.
ANN moderation : Comment 27 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons (62.140.196.133) on 11-Sep-2003 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Ray A. Akey):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And you're just one of the sheep following Wayne Hunt's baseless accusations. And for your information, I am no longer banned from amiga.org. You see, there are *some* reasonable people there, and less of your type.

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That's rather unfair I don't recall Wayne baselessly accusign anyone... he did ask questions, in an effort to see past the "smoke screen"...
ANN moderation : Comment 28 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.9.223.36) on 11-Sep-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Matt Parsons):
The story goes that Wayne accussed Ray Akey of making a series of unpleasant
posts on Amiga.org and requested that Kees ban him. Kees did.

No one seems to have seen the posts that Wayne complained about and Ray denies
making them.
ANN moderation : Comment 29 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons (62.140.196.133) on 11-Sep-2003 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The story goes that Wayne accussed Ray Akey of making a series of unpleasant
posts on Amiga.org and requested that Kees ban him. Kees did.

No one seems to have seen the posts that Wayne complained about and Ray denies
making them.
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Facinating... Anyone else have any other info on the matter?
ANN moderation : Comment 30 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Kees (213.17.74.62) on 11-Sep-2003 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Matt Parsons):
*sigh*

I placed the ban on Ray ... Wayne had nothing to do with my decision to ban Ray.
But we (Ray and I) have settled things and he is no longer banned.

I hope that we can drop this isseu now and move on.

Kees Witteveen
Amiga.org
ANN moderation : Comment 31 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey (Registered user) on 11-Sep-2003 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Kees):
Yes.
ANN moderation : Comment 32 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime (208.161.156.2) on 11-Sep-2003 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (hooligan/dcs):
Actually hooligan, you are both right, and wrong.

It takes not a lot of time to fool, lets just use a.org as an example...
not much time to fool them, not a lot of effort to use an anonymyzer....
you are right....

and yet its rarely done. That tiny bit of effort it happens to require is
enough to keep 95% of people from doing it.

Nevertheless, don't take that as pro-registration....hardly, if I have to register, I won't bother. Lets keep it free, and just let all the complainers know, quite clearly..that no one really cares about their itty bitty feelings...

a.org is an illusion in some ways...this, is cyberspace...its all about ideas. It doesn't matter if they come from anonymous or marktime. I like ann.lu as it is...
ANN moderation : Comment 33 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Gary Peake (12.208.182.62) on 13-Sep-2003 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Matt Parsons):
Maybe you have forgotten the accusations Wayne made towards me and then later apoligized for publicly?
ANN moderation : Comment 34 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons (81.132.131.15) on 13-Sep-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Gary Peake):
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Maybe you have forgotten the accusations Wayne made towards me and then later apoligized for publicly?
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Since his apology was public, I have no reason to doubt his integrity. Had he not admitted his mistake, then I would consider him a person of little worth.
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