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Posted on 14-Sep-2003 15:59 GMT by Mike Bouma62 comments
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Miffy has reviewed the download edition of the first Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack for Pocket PC powered devices.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 1 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 14:27 GMT
"I was and have been until recently a bit of a cynic about Amiga Inc and their strategies."

HAHAHAHAHAHAH ;-)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 2 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Matt Parsons):
I just copied the same text and was just about to paste it here, but you were faster! A good laugh that was ...
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Sep-2003 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Matt Parsons):
@Matt

> "I was and have been until recently a bit of a cynic about Amiga Inc
> and their strategies."
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAH ;-)

Note that the review was by Miffy (DaveP), not by Bouma. Having said that, it's more of a retro-review, and the positive tone is not surprising considering where the review was published and the fact that it is an Amiga Inc product.

The games themselves - from what I've seen - range from OK to very good for what they are: simple small games. They are also very old and just about the total sum of Amiga Inc releases in 3 and a half years.

I must admit I wouldn't touch a package like this with a barge-pole. If I want nice simple games with excellent execution I can get them for free under most Linux distros.

The trouble with reviews like this is that it's like reading a review of Windows in a Microsoft publication: you aren't going to get anything except the positive part.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 4 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Bill Hoggett):
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Note that the review was by Miffy (DaveP), not by Bouma. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Yes, I know who did the review... Had Bouma, uttered shuch a line, I think I would have died laughing.... ;-)
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Sep-2003 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Matt Parsons):
@Matt

> Yes, I know who did the review... Had Bouma, uttered shuch a line, I
> think I would have died laughing.... ;-)

Me too, though somehow I wouldn't have been surprised.

I must admit I find the concept that playing these games would convince anyone that Amiga Inc are on the right track positively hilarious as well.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 6 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Bill Hoggett):
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I must admit I find the concept that playing these games would convince anyone that Amiga Inc are on the right track positively hilarious as well.
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Indeed, they fall some way behind the current standard (ie GBA).
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 7 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP/Miffy on 14-Sep-2003 15:12 GMT
@Matt and Bill

As a Game Boy Advance owner of some years I can say I agree with you ( and a recent upgrade to an SP ), but this is PDA gaming which has been behind the curve for some time.

The bit that stopped me being so cynical about AmigaDE ( and there is no need to act like a gibbering retard ) was the fact that the concept actually works, that there is a space here for some serious game development.

If you look across the PDA gaming spectrum, with a few gems aside, it is pathetic. This was a rich vein for Amiga Inc. They actually had the right target market to make a killing ( although PDAs of this calibre are only just starting to become popular ) but poor plan execution.

Matt, I think you did know what I meant, you were just being a bit of an asshole.

Getting a bit used to this jeering shit, way boring, it just shows you have failed to read and comprehend. Apology accepted.
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP/Miffy):
Bill

"The trouble with reviews like this is that it's like reading a review of Windows in a Microsoft publication: you aren't going to get anything except the positive part."

You dissapoint me. I pointed out two major flaws ( which had never been talked about before in public ) that I experienced while playing the games. It is almost as if you hadn't actually read the review properly.

Go look at the first line.

Dave.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 9 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP/Miffy on 14-Sep-2003 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Bill Hoggett):
"I must admit I wouldn't touch a package like this with a barge-pole. If I want nice simple games with excellent execution I can get them for free under most Linux distros. "

Good luck running them on the IPaq Bill.
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP/Miffy):
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Matt, I think you did know what I meant, you were just being a bit of an asshole.
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No, I don't know what you mean! You have never once shown any concern for Amiga Inc. and their straegy... Your opening comment would be like me saying "As you know, I think AROS is a pointless peice of Crap, and everone ivolved are just plain nuts".

You must see how we found it funny!!

And yes the TAO Intent has a hard time of it, since it is suppsoed to work from the lowest mobile phone right up to the high end PDA... There is no way one could support GBA style games on that...

Sadly that is the big probelm of AmigaDE... it's a jack-of-all-trades master of none... when it comes to games (for the reasons outlined above) :-(

PS. I bought the Windows AmigaDE... that was 15 well spent... not...
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP/Miffy):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I must admit I wouldn't touch a package like this with a barge-pole. If I want nice simple games with excellent execution I can get them for free under most Linux distros. "

Good luck running them on the IPaq Bill.

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But they would compile fine for the Zaraus... :-/
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Sep-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
@Dave

> I pointed out two major flaws ( which had never been talked about
> before in public ) that I experienced while playing the games.

They didn't sound much like major flaws, more like minor niggles, one of which is supposed to be fixed (the outdated datatype). If they are major flaws, they don't come across that way in the review.

As for the concept working at all, why did you ever have any doubt? The concept wasn't the problem. The handling was. Remember all of these games were completed YEARS ago. Nothing new has been released since.

As for the big market, I'm still not sure. PDAs are not very good mediums for game playing when compared to the alternatives. Now if the software did something USEFUL, that would have been more interesting. Alas, they never reached that stage.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 13 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP/Miffy on 14-Sep-2003 15:30 GMT
@Matt

Then frankly your memory is that of a small fish circling in a small glass bowl. I have never been anything but cynical about Amiga Incs DE project, its worth etc. I suggest you invest a bit of research going and looking at my comments on DE threads and topics on ANN, Amiga.org and elsewhere. In fact, when the Amiga was said to be a "classic" I was a very vocal critic of this strategy. On reciept of the DE CD ( I thought Id better do my bit at the time ) I posted immediately on fora about it being merely a search and replace in the Tao documentation.

You are either ignorant of that history or being deliberately disingenous. Either way you have your built up stereotype of me and I find it offensive in the extreme and am fed up with hearing it and reading about it on translations
on amiga-news.de and other sites.

The fact that you even clipped the quote shows your usual agenda.

"I was and have been until recently a bit of a cynic about Amiga Inc and their strategies. Having seen at first hand a tiny part of their vision, I retract much of that cynicism and conceed they had a point with the DE and still have one today with AmigaAnywhere."

I have said all along that the reason I stick around is because Eyetech and Hyperion are both companies worthy of trust. I deal with the shit that you and your buddies pump out and ask questions frankly because I severly dislike you and think you represent the worst of the gutter.

Hmmm, not so long ago I was in an argument with Samface over getting him to accept the evidence on Rich Woods' sight. So don't oversimplify my past.

You like to categorise me to try and ignore my views. I understand that, that is the attitude of a fanatic.

When you have grown up say, 10 15 years in mental age and learn to address people with some semblance of respect ( and know not to expect any back when you act like you have done in this topic ) expect me to bother reading and responding to your snivelling crap. Until then, good day.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 14 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 15:38 GMT
Bill

So you think a simple snake in a snake gobbler game not updating properly on a good PDA not a serious problem? It is a mind numbingly cretinous blooper! It makes it look like it cannot handle simple graphics.

If you'd like to point me to where I can download the fix for Planet Zed Id be most happy.

Sure, I bet youd have been happy if Id have invented all sorts of serious issues beyond that with the games, but frankly, compared to the normal PDA fare, it is good average - all this from software released originally what 12 months ago?

So OF COURSE me pointing out that maybe all that cynical vitriol that I heaped on the DE and Anywhere strategy over the last couple of years means that yes, I live in fluffy bunny land where I think:

1. Amiga Inc paid their rent.
2. Amiga Inc delivered on everything they promised.
3. Amiga Inc sent me the coupons they promised.
4. Amiga Inc sent me fixes for the DE.
5. Amiga Inc sent me a t-shirt ( for a club I didnt join - so much for being a red troll eh? )
6. Amiga Inc paid their employees.

NO!

I said they had a point with their strategy and amazingly if you look at it you just agreed with me.

Of course I am annoyed, because some blue troll sychophant has taken quotes out of context and you helped him make it look like I was absolving Amiga Inc of all wrongs which was CLEARLY not what I was stating.

Yes, someone said something positive about Amiga Inc on ONE SINGLE POINT, that must be worth lauging at.

Amiga Inc is not ABSOLUTE incompetance from start to finish, not even you should be peddling that myth. They had a GOOD IDEA, they FAILED TO CAPITALISE ON IT and THAT is ALL I am SAYING.

Dave.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 15 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (DaveP/Miffy):
"learn to address people with some semblance of respect"

LOL. Like you do, you mean?

"your snivelling crap"
"10 15 years in mental age"
"being a bit of an asshole."
"you represent the worst of the gutter"
"the shit that you and your buddies pump out"

I think we all know your idea of treating people with respect...
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 16 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Lando):
"When you have grown up say, 10 15 years in mental age and learn to address people with some semblance of respect ( and know not to expect any back when you act like you have done in this topic ) "

Learn to read the whole sentence Lando or you will have trouble passing your exams.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 17 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 14-Sep-2003 15:44 GMT
I had argued with some AmigaDE games review before (now that was biased) - to be honest, if it were for PalmOS, I'd immediately buy these games. But it were for the Amiga name and nothing else. These games worth (developers will kill me) almost NIL. I have a clue about and respect the hard work of the developers, but that won't change the fact that these games will never make an impact. (At least those I know about.) IMHO
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 18 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
I did. I think that a statement like that coming from the most arrogant, patronising **** who doles out more personal insults on amiga fora than most other posters put together is hilarious. You looking to compete? ;) If so you'll have to do better than that...
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 19 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Brian Hoskins on 14-Sep-2003 15:55 GMT
I have always had an interest for the ideas behind AmigaDE. Personally I think that AmigaInc have had some good ideas with regard to areas in which the Amiga can penetrate markets and gain some future success again. Remember that the desktop market AND the business market is now crawling with PCs and Microsoft, too much time has passed and it's pretty obvious to any realistically minded person that the Amiga isn't going to have much success penetrating these markets in the immediate future - we can only hope to maintain a cult userbase there which has reasonable future software development.

With that in mind, AmigaDE suddenly becomes a good idea doesn't it. You can all laugh at it, but when you think about it AmigaInc really are onto something here and this is an area where they can hope to gain some degree of penetration - Microsoft still don't dominate this market area.

All that said, I am dissapointed with the progress of development that has been made by AmigaInc. I think the reasons for this sluggish movement are obvious and it all comes down to money (as do most things in life) but nevertheless it's also obvious that unless AmigaInc can move quicker than they have been doing, they are going to lose this one opportunity to gain penetration into the PDA market. This penetration is CRITICAL because it is needed as a base from which to advance in other market areas as well, so I'm still watching this closely.

I agree that games are only the tip of the iceberg, and that personally if I had a PDA I wouldn't even be interested in games... I'd want USEFUL applications that I could run on it.

I look forward to the day when I can try out a much more advanced AmigaDE - hopefully not too far in the future

Brian
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Posted by Hiraghm on 14-Sep-2003 15:59 GMT
I frequent the #amigaworld IRC channel, and periodically people will post links to these threads that make me regret having interest in the Amiga.
First, my credentials on this topic:
I was once an Amiga developer, and acquainted with most of the names in the Amiga development community.
Jay Miner was a friend of mine, among many others.
I wrote a series of articles on PDA game development back when color PDAs weren't even on the horizon.

The trick of AmigaDE, and I don't consider AmigaDE to be anything "Amiga", except in name, is its cross-platform compatibility. This has been a holy grail of development since the 80s. Java was supposed to give us this. A host of programming toolkits was supposed to give us this, including things like wxWindows. AmigaDE appears to be able to deliver this. Like the singing dog, the miracle isn't in how well he sings, but that he sings at all.
The PDA OS environment is far more diverse and subdivided than any other genre, especially if you include the increasingly application-capable cell-phones out there.

I haven't read Dave's review yet; in the amigaworld chat room he's been a fellow cynic of AmigaDE.
I do not understand the vitriol and passion involved in these fights over the Amiga *NAME*. And frankly, the in-fighting and immature ad hominem remarks do not at all reflect the glory days of Amiga development.

The only real heir to the Commodore Amiga throne I see is the C-1 reconfigurable computer. Not because of its technology, but because of the spirit of its developers and its community.
They're embracing diverse views, projects and applications, even those that might be seen as competition for the C-1.
As for running simple games well on Linux... the same could be done far easier on Windows, or a PS/2... or a Gameboy Advance. I don't see a helluva lot of quality, innovative games running under Linux. Mostly there are also-rans, Linux versions of Windows games.
PDA games are just getting going. The machines themselves still have many limiting factors which must be overcome before anything truly innovative and new can be developed for them, not the least of which is a lack of standardization.

I don't like defending AmigaDE, but I think it's premature to write it off simply because you don't like who makes it.
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (DaveP/Miffy):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Then frankly your memory is that of a small fish circling in a small glass bowl. I have never been anything but cynical about Amiga Incs DE project, its worth etc. I suggest you invest a bit of research going and looking at my comments on DE threads and topics on ANN, Amiga.org and elsewhere. In fact, when the Amiga was said to be a "classic" I was a very vocal critic of this strategy. On reciept of the DE CD ( I thought Id better do my bit at the time ) I posted immediately on fora about it being merely a search and replace in the Tao documentation.
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Woh!!! Calm dawn, calm down... I appologise, I didn't know you were a vocal opponent of AmigaDE. But your opening sentence did only say Amiga inc. and what you really ment was Amiga Inc.s DE straegy...

I don't wat to get into an argument about this. You've made your point, I have been informed... lets all just be friends...
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 22 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Sep-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Matt Parsons):
"Indeed, they fall some way behind the current standard (ie GBA)."

But what about the current standard for Windows-based PDAs ?

If you want a portable gadget just for games, the Advance-SP looks ideal. But what if you mainly need a portable Windows device, and a few games to pass the time when commuting would be of interest?
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 23 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 14-Sep-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hiraghm):
> I don't like defending AmigaDE, but I think it's premature to write it off
> simply because you don't like who makes it.

No one really dislikes TAO Group, it's their code that Amiga Inc rebadged. You may want to talk to some of the devs who have problems everytime TAO does an intent upgrade and what it causes to break. DEad was a nifty idea, but it's proven in the business world to be impractical. The OEMs not only don't give a rat's ass if it's portable, it's bad thing since they want content that no one else has so they can market the hardware.

Dammy
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 24 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Sep-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP/Miffy):
"Good luck running them on the IPaq Bill."

Which of course is precisely what has gone wrong - the DE is still only on one platform.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 25 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 16:18 GMT
@Matt, Lando et al.

Give it a rest - I can personally vouch for DaveP being highly cynical of Amiga DE, and Amiga Inc in general - but then why should I intervene in your character assasination? Carry on your tiring, bitchy charades as per usual.

For people who say amigaworld.net is full of BAFs, it seems strange to me that you visit the site frequently - I guess hypocrisy must be the norm these days?

@Lando
"I think that a statement like that coming from the most arrogant, patronising **** who doles out more personal insults on amiga fora than most other posters put together is hilarious."

Really? I can think of a lot more people who deal out personal abuse to a greater extent - but I'm not going to mention names incase somebody starts sending emails to my employer...

Ian
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 26 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 14-Sep-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Lando):
So... erm... if i read that right you mean you are an insulting ***hole, and want DaveP to compete with you to see who's the worst?

Dave's hasn't gotten a chance then

Cheers
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 27 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Hiraghm on 14-Sep-2003 16:27 GMT
No one should give credence to anything Lando says; in other messages he's demonstrated irrationality and total inability to differentiate black from white.

That OEMs don't want to standarize is like deja vu all over again. In the 1980s there were a thousand ways of doing everything because vendors didn't want to standardize. I just bought an Okimate 20. Remember them? The version of the Okimate with the Parallel interface. The Okimate 10 had a Commodore serial compatible interface. And the original Amiga1000's "standard" parallel port was wired backwards on purpose! RS232 vs IEE, digital joystick vs analog.. video cards, even those subscribing to the VGA "standard.... the list is virtually endless. And yet, today we've pretty much standardized.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 28 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Amon_Re):
>So... erm... if i read that right you mean you are an insulting ***hole, and
>want DaveP to compete with you to see who's the worst?

No, I was asking the anonymous guy if he wanted to compete with Mr Pitcher. I think his comment about passing my exams was an attempt, but it's not up to Dave's standard :)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 29 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Hiraghm):
>No one should give credence to anything Lando says; in other messages he's
>demonstrated irrationality and total inability to differentiate black from
>white.

And another one crawls out of the woodwork...
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 30 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Lando):
Hey, I thought you crawled out a long time ago Lando!

;-P

Ian
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 31 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 14-Sep-2003 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Matt Parsons):
Just a shame the Zaurus has been discontinued ;-)
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Posted by Hiraghm on 14-Sep-2003 16:48 GMT
"And another one crawls out of the woodwork..."

Another one what, Lando? Rational human being? Or another person who sees you for what you are, and holds you in appropriate contempt?

If rational people such as myself crawled out of the woodwork to counter your irrational drivil, one can only wonder what primordial slime you crawled out of to begin with.

It surprises me that you're capable of distinguishing one key on the keyboard from another. Or perhaps you've a keeper who types for you...
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 33 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Hiraghm):
No, another red troll incapable of typing anything but insults.

Thank you for proving my point :)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 34 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 14-Sep-2003 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Lando):
"red troll"

"but insults."

'Nuff said.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 35 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Hiraghm on 14-Sep-2003 17:10 GMT
Yet again, Lando, you prove your lack of rational thought. I said quite a lot that wasn't insult; in fact, I didn't engage in insult except in response to your insult. It is not insult to state facts, and you have demonstrated your lack of rational thought thoroughly and completely in other threads. Pointing this out as a warning to others may hurt your feelings, but that doesn't make it an insult (except perhaps in your fevered, tiny little mind.)

Once you engaged in insulting me, by suggesting I "came out of the woodwork" for purposes which had not yet been specified, you became fair game. It's not my fault you can't take it.

When you've practiced for a few years and feel ready to contribute something rational to any topic of discussion, I'll be happy to listen and judge accordingly.

Yeah... like that's going to happen.
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Posted by DaveP/Miffy on 14-Sep-2003 17:13 GMT
Matt

Fine, apology accepted. I should not have to establish my anti-Amiga Inc credentials in order to be allowed to have an opinion and it rankles me that I even had to post about it. From my perspective, with people like Lando and Dammy around who spend all day every day being highly personal and abusive towards anyone they don't happen to agree with deserve absolutely no respect whatsoever themselves, it seemed you had gone the wrong way, but you are man enough to apologise when you go wrong.

I do however have an awful lot on my plate at the moment which goes someway to explaining my short temper with you, but not excusing it, in this instance.

I apologise for losing my temper with you, and I wish I had saved it up for a more deserving target ( Lando or Dammy ) who seem to resent my very existance and have done for a very long time but it seems others see through their antics too.

When I talk about a companies' strategy in the context of a review of one of their products I am talking about their strategy with that product, not about everything else.

Dave.
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Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Hiraghm):
Nope. Still nothing there but insults. But don't give up. Keep trying, you'll get there eventually.

In the meantime, my "fevered, tiny little mind" has better things to occupy itself with :)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 38 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Lando):
his liqqle willy !!

:)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 39 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP/Miffy):
"Good luck running them on the IPaq Bill."

Back when AInc started working on Entertainment Pack One you could already get a decent Linux asteroids game, block smashing games, my 2nd favourite solitaire collection (my favourite was too heavy weight for a PDA at the time) and so on.

These days I'm sure you'll find a host more ipaq stuff, one of my old friends is working on a Linux-based ipaq project and his had a GPS map reader (remember that clearly, because it fell into my "too heavy to be practical" category) as well as calculator, sketch & notepad, etc. Doubtless the games have advanced in a similar fashion (better hardware, more development time => better games) if you care to review them...
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-Sep-2003 17:50 GMT
_o/ HI MOM!
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 41 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Hiraghm on 14-Sep-2003 17:53 GMT
Lando, no doubt comptemplating your navel would provide days of occupation for your aforementioned tiny little mind. The last message, as could be understood by any rational mind, was intended largely in insult, it's a surprise to no one (except possibly you,) that it was "nothing but insult".

As I asserted before, express something rational, and I'll be happy to judge it as such. In the meantime, any bandwidth used to prevent you from attempt to interfere in otherwise rational threads of conversation is bandwidth well spent.

Apply your tiny little mind to the differences inherent in black and white and perhaps you might find a path to rationality. Keep hoping.
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Sep-2003 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (DaveP/Miffy):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When I talk about a companies' strategy in the context of a review of one of their products I am talking about their strategy with that product, not about everything else.
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Oddly enough I never had a problem with Amiga Inc.s DE ideas, actually I thought is was a good idea (until it's limitations came to light) to expand the Amiga product base. What most anoyed me was their insistance that AmigaDE was to replace the Amiga (and notably with immediate effect)...

That is when, I lost interest in Amiga Inc.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 43 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mom on 14-Sep-2003 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (hooligan/dcs):
HI SON \o_




(thought of continuing off topic like everybody else)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 44 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 14-Sep-2003 18:35 GMT
They had an idea to develop games for PDA's...

that is not an original idea. It's not a good idea, unless you want to be
a PDA game developer...but you sure as heck shouldn't buy IP for platform
company for the tune of several million dollars, to develop games for pda's...geez

They are a business, the idea was to make money, they lost money instead.
You can't say its a good idea, but they failed to capitalize on it. Thats nonsensical. Their
ability to capitalize on it, or not, is the entire thing that determines if its
a good idea or not.

It was a horrible idea. Utter nonsense.

With that said, in the early days I was NOT critical of them.

I seem to have gone the entire other direction. When they had some potential and were sorta doing some things for developers, I thought they might have a chance.

But as they've increasingly failed to deliver, I've become less and less enamoured to the point that I'm now about a severe critic as one can get.

Just how did any sane person go the other way??? They've done something now that makes them a good idea?
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 45 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 14-Sep-2003 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (MarkTime):
They had an idea to create a desktop version of the DE. Don't forget that.

Unfortunately, sometimes you only find out your ideas are unrealizable through experience - and this, I suppose, is where DE fell down. Sure, the original AmigaOS may not have progressed much directly under Amiga, Inc. But they did try to make the DE stuff work.

Personally, I'm all for the concept behind DE. Sure, it may have failed in this instance as a desktop platform due to inherent problems with this particular implementation of a platform independent OS (at least until we know more about OS5 anyway). But, at some point in the future, as machines get faster and people start to realize that these speed increases are providing very little real world benefit a DE like OS that works on the desktop could become the norm.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 46 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2003 19:08 GMT
@MarkTime

Why can't I take my current game of Unreal Tournament, its current position in the game, save it and install it on my PDA and resume playing on there with the game engine automatically retargetting to the new device characteristics? Why can't I buy a license for a game then run it on whatever hardware I want? Why should the developer have to think about more than just writing the software in the first place - why do they have to think about rebuilding for every platform, changing the engine to tweak for different environments? Why are we limited to just one CPU type with DirectX?

It is about more than just playing games on PDAs.
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 47 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 14-Sep-2003 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Lando):
Pot, Kettle, Black

Cheers
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 48 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 14-Sep-2003 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
> Why can't I take my current game of Unreal Tournament, its current position
> in the game, save it and install it on my PDA and resume playing on there
> with the game engine automatically retargetting to the new device
> characteristics?

Why should the PDA have to remember it? Have the server remember it and just log on. Of course, who the hell would want to run UT on a PDA's crappy CPU/GFX chipset? Hint: It's the same reason Alienwares sell a significant amout of hardware. ;)

> Why can't I buy a license for a game then run it on whatever hardware I want?

Because you would be screwing the company out of individual hardware licensing? Think about it, are they going to be more happy selling you a license to run it on a X86 and a different one for your Mac, or just a single license? Worse, it's going to raise the prices of the games because the licensing agreements for publishing houses will also have to cough up more monies to the developers to cover the additional hardware it can run on.

> Why should the developer have to think about more than just writing the
> software in the first place - why do they have to think about rebuilding
> for every platform, changing the engine to tweak for different environments?
> Why are we limited to just one CPU type with DirectX?

If Mot/IBM would have coughed up the millions, W2K would have been ported to PPC. As for writing software, the coders have to decide what hardware is most likely to be used and which would be best for their game. It's their call.

> It is about more than just playing games on PDAs.

But it's all that it cracked up to be.

Dammy
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 49 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Sep-2003 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Hiraghm):
Not there yet, but, hey, you're getting closer :)

C'mon, one paragraph wihout an insult... it's not that hard, really!

:)
Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 Review : Comment 50 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 14-Sep-2003 19:52 GMT
I still don't get what any of this has to do with the Amiga
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