| [News] PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 14-Sep-2003 17:41 GMT by Dan Kilroy | 199 comments
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GrasshopperLLC and Deron Kazmaier announced on the 12th that PageStream4.1 has been ported to and will run on Amiga OS4.0 PPC. Advanced copies of PageStream4.1 for Amiga OS4.0 PPC available from GrasshopperLLC.
PageStream is a powerful desktop publishing program available for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh and Windows
September 12th, 2003 – Antigo, WI – Grasshopper LLC today announced the addition of a fifth supported platform in the stable of computers and operating systems that PageStream already runs on. Amiga OS4 PPC is an exciting new operating system and hardware from Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion Entertainment that follows in the footsteps of the great hardware and software that is the Amiga.
“Deron Kazmaier, PageStream creator, has exceeded our expectations again!” proclaimed Grasshopper LLC owner Marna Holt. “Deron has burned the midnight oil on his old love, the Amiga, creating the foundation for the next generation of PageStream on the Amiga.” While the full public release of OS4 is beyond our control, the PageStream is not! As the Amiga OS4 PPC is a natural progression from the older 68k, we are offering a limited time discount for those who are moving up to the AmigaOS4 PPC version from PageStream Amiga68k and likewise we are including the Amiga68k version to those who purchase the PPC version before it is publicly released. Crossgrade price from PageStream 4.1 Amiga68k to AmigaPPC is only $40 and the price for a new copy of PageStream4.1 Amiga PPC (with Amiga68k) is only $99. The special offers are set to expire upon the public release of Amiga OS4, and will then revert to the same low pricing already in place for the other platforms. Advance copies of PageStream 4.1 AmigaPPC are available now, but we will continue to stay in step with improvements to OS4. See our website at www.grasshopperllc.com for more information or to order.
Dan Kilroy sales@grasshopperllc.com
(Hope this is ok, first time posting to ann)
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 101 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by vortexau on 16-Sep-2003 05:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Or, is a Light Year one in which you have very few appointmnts penciled-in?
Or . . . . in which Calendars are printed on lighter stock?
Or . . . . in which there is less average cloud cover?
Or . . . . the year that you made a resolution to drink ONLY Light Beer? :-) |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 102 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by vortexau on 16-Sep-2003 05:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Kjetil):
TRUE!
I paused, because it was like a great disturbance in The Force. . .
It was like several hundred vocal shadowside-supporters saying:
"Dude - you'll ONLY have Linux to run on your AmigaOne presently!"
To which I replied:
"Thank you - THAT was much-needed information . . . ." :-) |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 103 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2003 05:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (Anonymous):
>>I hate to bring reality into your sunny world but AOS4 doesn't boot to a
>>WB on PPC mainboards (that is the A1, not classic Amigas).
>Think again
This presupposes that Eva thought in the first place. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 104 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by relevatist on 16-Sep-2003 05:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (Anonymous):
Think again. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 105 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ian on 16-Sep-2003 06:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 99 (brotheris):
>>Friedens said wb doesn't boot yet. Do I need to think about something ? Don't you think they (or someone close by ;-) will be shouting and screaming with 10 newsitems around little amiga globe that they finaly booted on a1 ?
Or maybe they're waiting for the finished product before announcing anything?
Ian |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 106 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 16-Sep-2003 07:30 GMT | "Advanced copies of PageStream4.1 for Amiga OS4.0 PPC available from..."
Great PPC native versiona vailable for AOS4 betatesters... :)
"This version will not be marked final until after OS4 officially ships. Any purchase before then will also receive PageStream for Amiga68k at no additional charge."
perhaps not. :(
Or?? |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 107 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2003 09:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 106 (priest):
It means, if you pre-order OS4 native PageStream before it is released, in the interim you will get a 68k version free of charge. Once it is released, you get the native version. Keyword "also".
Betatesters who can run OS4 native PageStream ( and let's be honest here Eva, if OS4 was not at a stage where it could run PageStream natively then it would be pointless for Grasshopper to publish or start this programme ) will get pre-release versions of the OS4 native PageStream. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 108 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 09:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (Eva):
"The most funny thing is that also that the latest demo showed in US was really LIGHT YEARS behind also to MOS 1.0 (released in 2001), but it seems that only some blind Aos4 supporters can't see the reality."
Why this mine is bigger then yours, if you obviosly have none to start with!? Grow up women! |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 109 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 09:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 78 (MarkTime):
"She's only saying what you all know, even the Amiga fanatics, know these things too...you just meet in your clubs and have 'spin control' and
'talking points'...what is all that about? It's about hiding the truth."
The problem is how rude she can be without saying anything at all... as for all the points about MorphOS being better and more complete... the point is MorphOS would be nothing without Amiga, so all you MOS fussies remember where are your origins from and get a life... there's no need for this 'mine is bigger then yours' if 'ours' hadn't existed yours wouldn't ever be...
No I said no Inc word... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 110 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 10:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (Ian):
don't think so, because they were making fuzz almost about their every step. You need to give a reason and make RSN image to public (dock panel, mini x86 emu in firmware, inuition enchancements, every design pixelchange, native dos.library, etc etc). fuzz is their strategy, atleast unless os4 is out. They need gfx library, jit integrated, etc. But as they say, it is RSN, two more weeks, 'think again'.
To go a bit more offtopic, how can ppl consider a1+os4 cost efective, when their competetive product is cheaper ~2x ? Put aside the name and you get what ? |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 111 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2003 10:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 110 (brotheris):
Competitor cheaper by greater than 2 times? My god your Maths is as bad as my Welsh. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 112 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 11:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 110 (brotheris):
"Put aside the name and you get what ?"
Put aside the name and you wouldn't even had MorphOS... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 113 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2003 11:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (pixie):
>as for all the points about MorphOS being better and more complete... the point is MorphOS would be nothing without Amiga, so all you MOS fussies remember where are your origins from and get a life
How nice to group all Pegasos owners into one because of one. Thank you.
And MOS users *DO* remember where MOS origins. Thats what everybody's been shouting for ages in all forums: IT'S JUST LIKE AMIGAOS, ONLY 100X FASTER, STABLE AND BETTER!
Really dude, it's some of the people from the other "camp" forgetting where MOS origins from, and giving it a finger in every possible turn. And easy to spot, many do so without ever touching the OS, let alone use it daily. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 114 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2003 11:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 113 (hooligan/dcs):
> and giving it a finger in every possible turn.
You mean "not chosing it"? Or saying "Its not AmigaOS", the latter usually in
response to someone bitching at them because of the former. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 115 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 11:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 113 (hooligan/dcs):
"How nice to group all Pegasos owners into one because of one. Thank you."
I'm not grouping I'm talking to those who are that way... Eva and some others split to mind... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 116 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2003 11:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 114 (Anonymous):
No, I really mean giving finger. As in "it's useless piece of shit and doesn't bear the name"-type of comments. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 117 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2003 11:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 116 (hooligan/dcs):
Well people like that deserve all the kicking they get. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 118 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2003 11:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (pixie):
I wasn't that serious about the grouping-thing :) |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 119 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 11:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 111 (Anonymous):
beat my writing instead of point I was making. (yeah yeah, I meant almost half cheaper)
@pixie in comment 112:
"Put aside the name and you wouldn't even had MorphOS..."
we are speaking about present, not the past. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 120 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 11:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 113 (hooligan/dcs):
"And MOS users *DO* remember where MOS origins."
Good, but some don't...
"Thats what everybody's been shouting for ages in all forums:"
"IT'S JUST LIKE AMIGAOS"
More like IT IS AmigaOS...
"ONLY 100X FASTER"
On a 100th time faster processor
"STABLE AND BETTER!"
It seem that happens only now, beside the main problem on AmigaOS was never about stability, at lest on my machine... I knew what to do if to avoid my machine crashing...
"Really dude, it's some of the people from the other "camp" forgetting where MOS origins from"
And trying to be the only natural follow up to the AmigaOS, NOT diferenciating itself from AmigaOS that make people from the other "camp" giving you the finger as you say...
"And easy to spot, many do so without ever touching the OS, let alone use it daily."
If it's like AmigaOS I don't need to use it to know how it feel, fast and sleek! ;) |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 121 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 11:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 119 (brotheris):
Twist as you may, without past you wouldn't have a present... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 122 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jupp3 on 16-Sep-2003 12:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 120 (pixie):
>"ONLY 100X FASTER"
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>On a 100th time faster processor
Well, that's kinda "point" of the whole OS (Point of "The other OS" too), as you know, there is NO 0x0 series processor, that's "1000X faster than 060/66"
To get any faster, it's obvious, that processor needs to be changed... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 123 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 12:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 122 (Jupp3):
Most of my grips with MOS are about some of its users, we have many of them that despite saying how their choice is far better then anything Amiga* related keep poluting on AOS threads.
Another thing that bogus me a lot is the attitude from BB, he say whenever he can that he doesn't care at all with Amiga brand, but all the time he can, he uses it uses to death at nearly every opportunity...
MorphOS hasn't destingued itself from Amiga OS yet, IMO it's their main problem... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 124 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2003 12:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 123 (pixie):
>Most of my grips with MOS are about some of its users, we have many of them that despite saying how their choice is far better then anything Amiga* related keep poluting on AOS threads.
Ignore them.
>Another thing that bogus me a lot is the attitude from BB, he say whenever he can that he doesn't care at all with Amiga brand, but all the time he can, he uses it uses to death at nearly every opportunity...
Don't judge products or community because of one man (how do you know it's Bill btw.. maybe it's Raquel? :)
>MorphOS hasn't destingued itself from Amiga OS yet, IMO it's their main problem...
Numero uno reason I bought Pegasos: Wanted to run new Amiga-like OS. If it draws ifself too far from AmigaOS I probably choose something else.
My old Amiga will die eventually.. it has served well but it's time to give it well earned rest. Amithlon was also a choice, but as MorphOS 1.3 looked to be in pretty good shape then, I decided to go for Pegasos.
WinUAE has never been an option. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 125 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 13:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 123 (pixie):
"MorphOS hasn't destingued itself from Amiga OS yet, IMO it's their main problem..."
I don't see a reason why should they. We (will) have two paths for the future. It is better than none. Look at the reviews, price/performance of both, availability nearby, etc etc and then buy. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 126 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 13:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 125 (brotheris):
"I don't see a reason why should they"
Because it isn't (AmigaOS) should be enough... it should survive on its merits not on merits of others...
"We (will) have two paths for the future. It is better than none."
The problem is when Genesi finnaly decides what they really want, and if they indeed diverge massively from AmigaOS... WITHOUT saying it before. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 127 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 13:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (pixie):
"Because it isn't (AmigaOS) should be enough..."
here we go again.. it's only the name.
"it should survive on its merits not on merits of others..."
os is not a parasite (sp?), the more different exes it runs, the better.
"The problem is when Genesi finnaly decides what they really want,"
just like AmigaOS is DEad ? ABOX is here to stay, I'm sure of it. They invested to much time and energy into it to waste and drop it like that. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 128 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2003 13:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (brotheris):
Its the name, the actual source. What is wrong with that? Why jeer? |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 129 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 13:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (brotheris):
"here we go again.. it's only the name."
When you say an Amiga-like experience as you could say in, MorphOS, Amithlon (...) you start to see the global picture, it's much more then the name... it's about recognition, when you talk about Amiga to someone who knew it who hadhad experienced it, both of you know what you're talking, like bC and aC, they may be only 2 letters but mean something else...
"os is not a parasite (sp?), the more different exes it runs, the better."
Wether one OS might not be reported as a parasite, the ones who are behind them can behave just like one...
"just like AmigaOS is DEad ? ABOX is here to stay, I'm sure of it. They invested to much time and energy into it to waste and drop it like that."
I hope ABOX really is here to stay, I would hate to see AmigaOS dying for nothing whatsoever... and AmigaOS isn't neither DE or ad... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 130 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 16-Sep-2003 14:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (brotheris):
"here we go again.. it's only the name."
If it's only the name why does Genesi want it so badly? If it's only the name why MorphOS users wants to be calle dAmigans no matter what!? It shouldn't matter, it's only the name... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 131 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 14:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 128 (Anonymous):
"Its the name, the actual source. What is wrong with that?"
nothing is wrong with that, but nothing is wrong with MOS, that's my point. Next year atleast we will compare. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 132 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 14:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 129 (pixie):
"When you say an Amiga-like experience as you could say in, MorphOS, Amithlon (...)"
bus MOS is not like Amithlon, nor like winuae, etc. You know this.
"it's about recognition, when you talk about Amiga to someone who knew it who hadhad experienced it, both of you know what you're talking"
you mean floppy only a500 ? If not, then you add sentece like this 'it is competitive(sp) branch'. That is all.
"Wether one OS might not be reported as a parasite, the ones who are behind them can behave just like one..."
paying developers, motivating them, giving free devboards, etc ? Have you heared about A1 giveaways or amigainc show sponsoring ? This comunity needs this.
"I hope ABOX really is here to stay, I would hate to see AmigaOS dying for nothing whatsoever..."
will you abandon AmigaOS when it won't run your os3.x applications ?
"and AmigaOS isn't neither DE or ad..."
some time ago amigainc said so.
"If it's only the name why does Genesi want it so badly?"
because they believe they have better product and want it to succeed (and ofcourse get their investiment back) ? But to choose platform only by the name is stupid imho.
"If it's only the name why MorphOS users wants to be calle dAmigans no matter what!?"
Because partly they are. For example MOS Dopus4 user comes and asks how to create a button, you will tell him, that he is not amigan and should leave this (or other) 'amiga' related mailing list/board ? |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 133 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 16-Sep-2003 15:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (pixie):
Oky Pixie you are right as all the funny things you wrote from 2002 until now. Have I to post here all the intelligent posts that you and Amon_re puttend on ANN??? It would be really funny for the modernity of their concepts LOL
And I'm talking on words like "I'm sure that Aos4 will be out soon" (June 2002) |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 134 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 16-Sep-2003 15:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 123 (pixie):
Same here. I can reports here links of your treads and posts that are nothing less than fuds or trolling acts. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 135 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 16-Sep-2003 16:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 132 (brotheris):
"but MOS is not like Amithlon, nor like winuae, etc. You know this."
What advantage does MorphOS have over Amithlon?
It seems to run exactly the same programs, and is at least no faster. That isn't a criticism, I think Amithlon is excellent. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 136 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 16-Sep-2003 16:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (pixie):
Pixie GROW UP!
Aos start the idea to create AOS4 ONLY at the end of 2001 to stop Mos and Bplan!
Genesi, Beplan and Mos team have their ideas by 4 years.
On the other side AmigaInc starts to develope something really usefull only 2 years ago and this is clear if you see the state of Aos4.
BHAA really pathetics "See your origins"
I'm seeing them, because I use Yam all my dayz, ImageFX, Motion Studio and so on.
And be ckear don't tell me that you can use these programs in a productive way on a Cyberstorm PPC simply because they are too slow.
But I repeat, if you are so blind and want to continue to wait for the next year "the return of the original", please, at least, admnit that it's a not right market action anticipate by 3-4 years the release of a product just to stop another one. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 137 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 16-Sep-2003 16:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 130 (pixie):
... really the stupidity of this guy is indescrivable ...
Mos and Aos4 developers aren't Randel Jesup, neither Mike Sinz, neither Andy Finkel or ... Jay Miner.
Here we are talking about Frank Mariak and Ralph Smith ... about Frieden's bros.
They aren't the AOs designers but both liked the original Aos design and so? WHat the point? Also Aos4 could be named Hyperion OS. Does It change something?
Can Bill Mcewan pathetic AmigaInc be compared to Hi-Toro team?!?
They are not the same!
Amiga is just a name now. Nothing more.
The reality is that there is a company that sells and produces since 2 years a decent OS and a decent machine. And there is a company that during the last two years did only promises and 2months delayies.
Is it difficult to understand this little difference? |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 138 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 16-Sep-2003 16:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 132 (brotheris):
___________________
"and AmigaOS isn't neither DE or ad..."
some time ago amigainc said so
___________________
Exactly this is the little point that pixie is unable to understand. For Amigainc also De was "Aos". All depends by the vision of a company and its skills to realize what it thinks. Nothing more. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 139 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 16:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 135 (Don Cox):
"What advantage does MorphOS have over Amithlon?"
updated os, native os, native os components. 68k emulation concept is different. Amithlon is emulator (jit is outside of amiga enviroment), mos abox is reimplementation, but please, don't start that big emulator vs not emulator fight ;-)
"It seems to run exactly the same programs, and is at least no faster."
Tests show,that intuation/gfx is faster on peg.
Your point about programs is not true, Amithlon runs more of them due to very minimal, but still existant chipset emulation :-)
"That isn't a criticism, I think Amithlon is excellent."
think so too, it could have been better. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 140 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2003 16:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 135 (Don Cox):
Apparently MorphOS has more to offer than AmigaOS as I chose the more expensive route, Pegasos. Besides, my Amithlon setup started gathering the same patches I had on Amiga aswell, so in the end it was fast just AOS3.9, only faster.
Me being always a big fan of MUI made selection more easier, not to mention MOS community compared to Amithlon-community.
There are lots of reasons but you just wanted to "be against", right? Didn't bother to think of any before posting... I am sure an intelligent fellow like you can come up with points where MOS scores against Amithlon (like there are points scoring against Pegasos, price comes to my mind first). |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 141 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 16-Sep-2003 16:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 135 (Don Cox):
Same speeed?!?!
But have you tested latest 1.4 MOs?!?
It' double the speed of old Mos 1.3 and is quite faster than my Athlon XP1800 (about 30% on all tasks) that compared to a G3 600 ... |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 142 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Sep-2003 16:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 133 (Eva):
Feel free to do so, i'm willing to discuss my past statements, and if i'm wrong, damn, well that's to bad, i'm only human.
However, i've always tried to be as concese & clear as possible (and even i can fall "low" and troll once and awhile, i'm not holier then the pope, as they say)
When i were to say that AOS is lightyears ahead of MOS, would you not ask me to back that claim up? It's only logical that i ask you to explain why you feel so, and no, "because i say so" won't do.
If you were to say that you think MOS is superior because of QBOX/ABOX, then i would be willing to accept that, because then i'd knew why you felt that way.
I don't hate MOS, nor the people behind it, but i do dislike some of the people behind it, i won't hide that fact, and those whom i don't like know that, but i try & stay polite.
The way you are argueing can only be called trolling, because you don't say anything with any real content, they are only hallow words so to speak.
Do i make myself clear?
@Brotheris
The main problem with MOS's 'image' is that sofar it's not to different from AOS at all, it hasn't got any real unique selling point at the moment, MOS needs something unique, something to say "Look, we can run AOS apps, but we aren't AOS, we are different". That's the point that pixie is trying to make i think.
Cheers |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 143 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Sep-2003 16:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 136 (Eva):
@EVA
"Pixie GROW UP!
Aos start the idea to create AOS4 ONLY at the end of 2001 to stop Mos and Bplan!"
I don't know why Ainc started the AOS4 project, but considering that there were talks about MOS being "AOS4" in the past do suggest that they had been playing with the idea for awhile. I actually think it's more the pressure from outside that convinced them.
"Genesi, Beplan and Mos team have their ideas by 4 years. "
I don't know if the dates are correct, but yea, MOS has been "arround" for awhile, i don't see the relevance of that claim tho.
"On the other side AmigaInc starts to develope something really usefull only 2 years ago and this is clear if you see the state of Aos4. "
Ainc has little todo with the current form of AOS4 on a technical level.
The only thing i can say from my point of view, is that development on AOS4 is of a higher pace, they've gone quite a way during those 2 years (again, i'm not sure of the length of the project)
"BHAA really pathetics "See your origins" "
But it's nevertheless correct, MOS's roots lay within AOS.
"I'm seeing them, because I use Yam all my dayz, ImageFX, Motion Studio and so on."
I know only YAM from that list, but if you enjoy using them, do so, it's not like we're saying you aren't allowed to.
"And be ckear don't tell me that you can use these programs in a productive way on a Cyberstorm PPC simply because they are too slow. "
A Cyberstorm or an 040 even are fast enough to use YAM, don't know for the others, but there are other ways to use a "fast amiga", like eg Amithlon.
For me, Amithlon is more intresting then MOS because it's a real AOS install (only on a PC), this is *NOT* an attack to MOS, but from what i've seen & experianced, MOS just isn't the way i use AOS, maybe i could configure it to behave like my current setup, but i'm not inclined to buy a complete new platform just for the sake of it. Also i have more faith in the people at Hyperion then those at Genesi, again, this isn't meant as an insult, but i know these people on a personal level, i've got lots of faith in their abilities.
"But I repeat, if you are so blind and want to continue to wait for the next year "the return of the original", please, at least, admnit that it's a not right market action anticipate by 3-4 years the release of a product just to stop another one.""
I don't think that's what happened, but you can't blame everything on Hyperion, Ainc was the big talker, and if you want to blame them, by all means, do so, but AOS4 != Ainc. Your hatred for Ainc seems to be blinding you.
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 144 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 16-Sep-2003 16:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 136 (Eva):
/*
Pixie GROW UP!
Aos start the idea to create AOS4 ONLY at the end of 2001 to stop Mos and Bplan!
Genesi, Beplan and Mos team have their ideas by 4 years.
On the other side AmigaInc starts to develope something really usefull only 2 years ago and this is clear if you see the state of Aos4.
*/
I think this post I allot better then your normal once. It's more GROW UP.
/*
BHAA really pathetic "See your origins"
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I think so to.
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I'm seeing them, because I use Yam all my dayz, ImageFX, Motion Studio and so on.
And be ckear don't tell me that you can use these programs in a productive way on a Cyberstorm PPC simply because they are too slow.
*/
That where not to slow before, so way should they be to slow now?
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But I repeat, if you are so blind and want to continue to wait for the next year "the return of the original", please, at least, admit that it's a not right market action anticipate by 3-4 years the release of a product just to stop another one.
*/
Yes you repeat, and not even a key point, way the some users think OS4.0 is better, and it will not change a thing, how many times you repeat that fact, won't make any more important, there is allot of ex Amiga users with AMD/Intel computers right now, how have no interest in switching platform unless they get what they really like, This users might be satisfied with Linux, Amitalon, UAE how ever preferred a switch if some thing unique to them.
The development of OS4.0 look like is going to happen on this stage, and wild horses won't stop it from happening, we can Se it at stands all over Europa and USA, the product in it self is unfinished but the result look and rewording in the end, there is bet going on at os.amiga.com on when it will be released allot are bit optimistic in my views, allot state in oct and des, well yes OS4.0 might be ready in oct if every thing works out as planed, they never do, so some time in the new year I think, if they are going add the SNAP drivers support to the Amiga4k version as well as getting the AmigaOne graphic.library ported and working JIT integration. A week silence from hyperson sound like they are working and not charting like me. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 145 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Sep-2003 16:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 137 (Eva):
Holy cow, must be the acopalypse!
I actually agree with you on some of those points ;)
One of the advantages (in my viewpoint) is that AOS4 is in a sence, still connected to the previous versions, not because of the name (frankly, they could call it "Binky the pink balloon OS" for all i care), for me it would always be AOS.
Not only is it still connected with it, it also still works very simular, even in the way the harddrive's directories are laid out. It's more familiar then MOS, it's like going home to a renovated home, instead of one that looks like the same one from the outside only.
Cheers |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 146 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 17:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 142 (Amon_Re):
"MOS needs something unique, something to say "Look, we can run AOS apps, but we aren't AOS, we are different". That's the point that pixie is trying to make i think."
It's clearer now, but for me, ex-Amiga user (I still own it, but it is used by my brother), this totaly doesn't matter. It is good that it has a path to become full mp os with bells and whistles. For now only ABOX interests me. I want to get back. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 147 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 16-Sep-2003 17:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 146 (brotheris):
/* For now only ABOX interests me. I want to get back. */
ABOX is an emulation, so QBOX should be the thing that should interest you as it's closer designed toward Quark I think. :)
If the PPC apis and the 68k apis where the same there wont be need of full exec.library etc. library's wrappers, and separate library's for separate environments, the QBOX should be not looked as treat or some thing Alain if it where the same. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 148 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 16-Sep-2003 17:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (Eva):
"It's double the speed of old Mos 1.3 and is quite faster than my Athlon XP1800 (about 30% on all tasks) that compared to a G3 600 ..."
Faster than your Athlon running Amithlon?
I have asked for a comparative test of, for example, Image Engineer (or Perfect Paint would do) blurring a big image, but nobody would oblige. If you have Amithlon running on your PC, perhaps you can test it. |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 149 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Deron Kazmaier on 16-Sep-2003 17:28 GMT | Wow. After reading all the crud that was posted about this announcement, I'm not sure if the discussion should be renamed "Let's rehash MorphOS vs AOS4PCP again". If that is what everyone wants to discuss, just skip the following and I won't bore you. I think Dan is sorry he stepped into this den!
Me? I don't care much about what computers/OS anyone chooses. If everyone had the same needs, we all would drive the same kind of car, drink the same kind of soda, own the same kind of dog, and be married to the same person. Please stop wasting your time trying to convince Coke drinkers like me to drink Pepsi. I think it tastes bad, and would rather drink water. I also recognize that there must be plenty of people who feel the opposite way, or PepsiCo wouldn't be in business. No problem for me.
Of course, I do care what kind of publishing program you choose :-) Luckily, everyone here can go out and buy (and use) PageStream today! PageStream already runs on Amiga, Amithlon, OS4, and MOS. So if you want PageStream so bad, just go buy it!
Concerning the announcement, I don't believe it is premature. Perhaps it is late. A sufficient number of our customers asked that we support OS4 natively in a poll last year, and Amiga Inc/Hyperion have proactively bent over backwards to help us reach that goal. All the tools and support that I have needed to work on an AOS4PPC version of PageStream have been provided to me. Our customers deserve to know that PageStream AOS4PPC is not a pipe dream or just a someday project.
So why make it available for _purchase_ now when only a small percentage of the Amiga market can use it today?
Simple business. People want to know what is coming, but once they know what is coming, they no longer want to buy what is already available. I used to suffer through months of no income while folks waited for the next release of PageStream. So now we start selling it when we announce it, and just make the current version available at no additional charge, and make any betas available until the final release. Don't trust that we will be around to finish the project? Then wait until it is finished.
If you think this is all about money, you are right! PageStream is my full time job. I've been doing this exclusively since 1988. Unless someone wants to give me a million dollars, I have to charge for it. Of course, if anyone wants to make a large donation, I would love to work on PageStream for fun and not worry about the money :-)
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Finally, for those who are asking why not Morph OS first? Here is a short summary.
We support them both already, with the 68k executables!
Over a year ago, our general platform survey showed a higher interest in OS4 than MorphOS. (BTW, as someone posted, the current survey has nothing to do with this.)
Amiga Inc has chosen to include us in the beforelife of OS4 and provide all the tools and support we need.
(My only investment is time.)
Besides, near as I can tell, more PageStream owners are betatesters of OS4 than MorphOS owners.
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However, if you purchase a copy of PageStream Amiga now, and include a note that you are a MorphOS owner, and want a copy for MorphOS, I'll (about) do the same for you as we are doing for AOS4PPC. You get a full copy of PageStream Amiga68k, and if we do a MOS version down the road, you will get a copy of PageStream4.1 for MOS at no additional charge. If we never do a MOS specific version, you still get a great program that runs better for you than it runs on the original hardware it was designed for. (I'll back date this offer to August 1st as well.)
Well, I need to get back to it. See ya round folks!
Deron Kazmaier - support@grasshopperllc.com
Grasshopper LLC Publishing - http://www.grasshopperllc.com
PageStream DTP for Amiga, Linux, Macintosh, and Windows |
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| PageStream4.1 for AmigaOS4.0 PPC : Comment 150 of 199 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by brotheris on 16-Sep-2003 17:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 146 (brotheris):
Thinking about it more...You don't like MOS, because it is to similar to AOS ? Looks insane jealousy to me. |
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