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[News] AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 20-Sep-2003 09:45 GMT by Mike Bouma76 comments
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At AmigaWorld.net the following announcement was made: "AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne to be demoed at the Pianeta Amiga 2003 show in Italy this weekend."
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 1 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Sep-2003 07:53 GMT
good work Hyperion and the OS4 developers :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 2 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2003 07:58 GMT
Assuming this is true, congratulations to the OS4 team and best wishes for a successful demonstration.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 3 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Don Cox):
Take a look at this picture http://amigaworld.net/images/features/os4_on_a1.jpg
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 4 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Don Cox):
Thanks ;-) It is true.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 5 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Sep-2003 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Prosessor : PPC7400/FPU/MMU/AltiVec(tm)

thats a G4, right ?
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 6 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Sep-2003 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (catohagen):
It's actually running on a 7451 but I guess it isn't correctly identified yet.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 7 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 20-Sep-2003 08:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Congratulations! It's another important step. Keep it up! And respect for the hard work.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 8 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Sep-2003 08:18 GMT
WERY good news !!! :) Good work Hyperion :) This is what we have waited for, things are starting to look good :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 9 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 20-Sep-2003 08:18 GMT
YEAH! Thats such great news! :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 10 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Sep-2003 08:24 GMT
I'm thinking, for sale : Pegasos G3 April 1, make me an offer :)

catohagen@fastmail.fm

Need to start saving for AmigaOne...
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 11 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 20-Sep-2003 08:37 GMT
Another milestone passed, away from the Amiga hardware wasteland!
Great news, congrats!

I'm glad to see that whoever made the screenshot this time isn't colourblind. ;) Pretty!
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 12 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Glames on 20-Sep-2003 08:37 GMT
Yes, really good news :)

I'm curious of what trolls will say this time. No it is a joke. I prefer not to know :)

Well done guys! Keep on the good work!

Tcho,

Glames
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 13 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 20-Sep-2003 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Ok. Nice..
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 14 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2003 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (catohagen):
"Need to start saving for AmigaOne..."

I wasn't planning to buy any computers at all until the end of next year. But the MicroITX board is very tempting.

Hans-Joerg did point out on AmigaWorld that they still have a lot of work to do. (No doubt Eva will point this out too.) But I think we can now be certain that this will not be another BoXeR - the AmigaOne is a real product that will really be on sale.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 15 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by AROS on 20-Sep-2003 08:45 GMT
hmm... this are AROS demos on that screenshot, right?

Didn't Hyperion mentioned that they *DON'T* use AROS sources?! I'm very curious.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 16 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (JoannaK):
@JoannaK

That really must've hurt!!!
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 17 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 20-Sep-2003 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Nah.. I have seen OS making before.. It's one step forward to them. An
important day, and definitely worth some celebration. But I do know
there's a lot to do.


If they had been in this stage year (or two) ago I'd been among others
singing happyhappy-joyjoy... But ... Anyhow.. good for them, it's a
long project and credit to them who it's due.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 18 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Emil 'opi' Oppeln Bronikowski on 20-Sep-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
No, no Mr. Anon. You've confused Joanna with someone else, I think. Worst scumm uses Anon to hide thier faces. ;-)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 19 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Seer on 20-Sep-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (AROS):
> Didn't Hyperion mentioned that they *DON'T* use AROS sources?!
> I'm very curious.

What ? You think the demos are integrated into the OS and that the OS doesn't work without them or something ?
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 20 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (AROS):
Yes, these are AROS demos. They aren't part of the OS, they just happen to be on there because I wanted to have some nifty demos to run. They compile out of the box with just a bunch of compiler switches.

Orgin didn't have any problems with displaying the Rubberstring demo. If anyone of the authors has problems with their demo being there, mail me and I'll remove it. I just happen to like these demos...
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 21 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Sep-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, these are AROS demos. They aren't part of the OS, they just happen to be on there because I wanted to have some nifty demos to run. They compile out of the box with just a bunch of compiler switches.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Compile out of the box :-)

It's good to see AOS4 is AROS compatible ;-)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 22 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 20-Sep-2003 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (AROS):
Those are just demos, hardly OS code. They are just amigaos applications, nothing more, nothing less.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 23 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Matt Parsons):
> It's good to see AOS4 is AROS compatible ;-)

It's the other way around really :-)

I admit that I had to fake the IPTR, though.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 24 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Any chance to see aros code being used in os4 for AmigaOne?
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 25 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Sep-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's the other way around really :-)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>

Of course, since AROS is AmigaOS compatible not the other way round. I was just making a joke, I hope you didn't find it offensive :-)

Persoanlly I'd like to see more "communication" between our respective groups.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 26 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by pega-1 on 20-Sep-2003 11:30 GMT
MorphOS was working on non csppc/bppc hardware 2 years ago (or even more ?) and it's still under development and developing ... So where's the point to freak out that things finally start to run on AmigaOne ? There's probably still a long walk down the road to get into a final state imho and I pretty much know what I'm talking about.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 27 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (pega-1):
"There's probably still a long walk down the road to get into a final state imho and I pretty much know what I'm talking about."

Everyone knows there is plenty still to do, and an OS is never in a final state (unless development stops). The reason to celebrate is that this is a major landmark for the AmigaOne. It is at the least the end of the beginning. It is a big accomplishment for a small team on a tiny budget. (Yes, so is MorphOS.)

Assertions that you "know what you are talking about" are groundless when you post pseudonymously and do not publish your track record.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 28 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 20-Sep-2003 12:13 GMT
I will be in Empoli tomorrow to see what is there.
Now I have only 3 notice from some friends there: at 12:30 am (ITA hour) no real Os4 was in the show and, for them, it was a speculation: anyway a well know italian programmer will post on ANN his comments on the first Empoli day here on ANN or on Amigaorg in the evening. Cya (for your happiness) sunday evening.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 29 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 20-Sep-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
"pega-1" != "Anonymus", or? :) And you can be sure that pega-1 really knows what he's talking about!
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 30 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (tokai):
"And you can be sure that pega-1 really knows what he's talking about!"

Apart from the fact that what he has to say is so obvious that anyone could say it, why should I be sure? I don't know who he is or what his qualifications and experience are.

The post was like going to a wedding and saying "What is there to celebrate? Her sister was married two years ago."
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 31 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Sep-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (pega-1):
>MorphOS was working on non csppc/bppc hardware 2 years ago (or even more ?) and it's still under development

and this have relevance here because ?

Macos 8.x was running years before Morphos on non csppc/bppc hardware too...and no
,that have no relevance here either...
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 32 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Sep-2003 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Don Cox):
>"What is there to celebrate? Her sister was married two years ago."

hehe..that was a better/funnier example than mine :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 33 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 20-Sep-2003 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Don Cox):
be sure, pega-1 knows what he is saying about that !
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 34 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (AROS):
I don't think that any "AROS demos" are part of the OS. Sure you can run any public application on top of your OS if you wish.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 35 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by J.T. on 20-Sep-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Eva):
Cara Eva.

ma che ..... stai dicendo?

Se intendi dire che quello di Ben Hermans non e' il vero AmigaOS, passi, altrimenti pensiamo che tu abbia preso un granchio colossale...

A domani... :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 36 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (pega-1):
So ? AmigaOS 3.x was working on Amiga with BPPC and CSPPC MANY years ago :)
Who cares what OS was first ? I really don't care. What matters is which is better for you. And I'm really happy that OS4 can now run on AmigaOne :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 37 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Sep-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (pega-1):
So ? AmigaOS 3.x was working on Amiga with BPPC and CSPPC MANY years ago :)
Who cares what OS was first ? I really don't care. What matters is which is better for you. And I'm really happy that OS4 can now run on AmigaOne :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 38 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 20-Sep-2003 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> Orgin didn't have any problems with displaying the Rubberstring demo. If anyone of the authors has problems with their demo
> being there, mail me and I'll remove it. I just happen to like these demos...

Apart from a few most of the demos were ported from PC demo sources
to AROS. So most of the original authors of this demos most likely
do not even know about "us".
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 39 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Sep-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (miksuh):
Argh, ofcourse not PPC native, but it was possible to use PPC CPU :)

But I meant that I really don't care which OS was running first.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 40 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 20-Sep-2003 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> I admit that I had to fake the IPTR, though.

BTW: IPTR is an integer type that is big enough to
also make a pointer fit in it. It's unsigned (well,
to be true, it would be better to have both a signed
and an unsigned IPTR) so on 32 bit machines it's basically
identical to ULONG.

On 64 bit machines IPTR would be 8 bytes, while ULONG
would still be 4 bytes. It's to be used in places like
this:

IPTR top;

GetAttr(PGA_Top, propgadget_obj, &top);

ULONG would be wrong here, as boopsi attributes/attribute
querying is basically ~"typeless", so one cannot but make
it use a fixed-size type, but one which also is big enough
to fit a pointer. As a boopsi attribute might return a
pointer.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 41 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 20-Sep-2003 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (J.T.):
Esatt J.T !
QUello che è allo show non è un sistema operativo completo, come tutti mi han riportato è "leggermente diverso" da quello che Ben Herman vuol fare credere che sia ADESSO l'OS4.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 42 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Glames on 20-Sep-2003 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (AROS):
Ok now I know :)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 43 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 20-Sep-2003 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Eva):
It is not releasable yet (some more betatesting to do) but it REALLY IS AmigaOS4 !!!
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 44 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Matt Parsons):
> I hope you didn't find it offensive :-)

No, I didn't find it offensive.

> Persoanlly I'd like to see more "communication" between our respective groups.

Nothing against that ;-) It's obvious that both sides can benefit from that, and porting between AmigaOS and AROS isn't really that difficult.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 45 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Georg Steger):
"On 64 bit machines IPTR would be 8 bytes, while ULONG would still be 4 bytes."

That's called the LLP64 model. The only operating system of any significance to have been built with that model is Windows 64, which is unproven and has almost no software.

On the other hand in the LP64 model used by everything from AIX to Linux the unsigned long is 8 bytes on a 64 bit machine. So everything Just Works (TM) as you would naturally expect.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 46 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Georg Steger):
> BTW: IPTR is an integer type that is big enough to
> also make a pointer fit in it

Yeah, I read that on your web page :-)

> ULONG would be wrong here,

Tag items need an extension anyway. They're unsuited also for holding i.e. double values, and they are also not capable of hold 64 bit values unless you define tham that way. However, as soon as storage to disk or size (like in the display database) is concerned, you might get into trouble.

However, using ULONG as IPTR was the only thing that was required to get the demos running ;-)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 47 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Sep-2003 14:04 GMT
/me pops a champagne bottle...

WOOHOOO! Guess i'll have to go buy me an A1 pretty soon now ;)

Cheers
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 48 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
ULONG is 32 bits wide on Amiga. I would expect unsigned long to be 64 bits wide
in a 64 bit implementation of the OS, but ULONG must still be 32 bits wide.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 49 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 20-Sep-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Glames):
:-P
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 50 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
Isn't that the problem with these namings? PowerPC calls a 32 bit quantity a word, yet a WORD or UWORD is 16 bits...

The problem is really whant you run legacy 68k code that expects ULONG to be 32 bits...
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