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[News] AmigaOne Lite Specs revealedANN.lu
Posted on 20-Sep-2003 16:10 GMT by Pentrite (Edited on 2003-09-21 15:43:18 GMT by Christian Kemp)35 comments
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Eyetech revealed the Amigaone Lite specs in AW.net forums.Here Better link
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 1 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 20-Sep-2003 14:19 GMT
Challenge #1: Someone fit it in an A1200 case :) I know it can fit in a C64...
http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 2 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Sep-2003 15:20 GMT
Micro ITX form factor (170mmx170mm)
Gigabit and 10/100 ethernet on board
133MHz UDMA RAID IDE controller
USB 2.0 on board
IEEE 1394 (‘FireWire’) on board
2x AGP graphics on board with PAL/NTSC TV out
AC97 sound on board
1 x PCI33MHz slot (horizontal, via supplied riser card)
Cardbus slot for flash card support (diskless booting, applications, games slot etc)
Usual legacy PS/2, serial, parallel ports

+Exchangable CPU module

The features looks quite nice compared to a VIA Epia. I wonder how the price will compare ...
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 3 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Sep-2003 16:29 GMT
this is certainly perfect for a home entertainment system with that tv-out for
watching movies or having a visual plugin running on your tv while listening to
your mp3 collection :)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 4 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by LinusG on 20-Sep-2003 16:39 GMT
I would love one of these. The only thing I´m waiting for now is a descent browser for OS4. And some money ;-)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 5 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2003 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Ben):
"Challenge #1: Someone fit it in an A1200 case :)"

How would you connect the A1200 keyboard to the new motherboard?
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 6 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 20-Sep-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
The same way you do on a C64 case as shown in the example! ;)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 7 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 20-Sep-2003 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
The same way you do on a C64 case as shown in the example! ;)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 8 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 18:04 GMT
OS4 + A1 Lite is IMHO the perfect combination for making
available a new Amiga. :) If Amiga can't pull it off with
A1 Lite+OS4, then AmigaOS never will make it...
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 9 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 20-Sep-2003 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
> Cardbus slot for flash card support (diskless booting, applications, games
> slot etc)

Is this a direct quote? (On my way out the door, too lazy to doublecheck) ... I noticed some talk of CF, though it was unclear if that was to be 'full' CF or an adaptation of the IDE header; Cardbus (PCI PCMCIA) is rarely used for flashcard storage these days. Unless you're putting a Cardbus<->CF adapter in it, which is sort of overkill/expensive and probably still only gives you storage support, not CF modems/802.11 cards and the like.

Anyhow, like I was babbling before, I'm not too concerned about that; getting it this compact is certainly a big step towards an 'Amiga' laptop, but I think it'll be at least more revision before that sort of thing can be commercialized (unless some of those internal pin headers *are* capable of interfacing to an LVDS LCD panel or similar ;))... otherwise, Cardbus and non-storage CF are of limited (read: expensive) utility when you have PCI, and the new "Expresscard" is about to stomp all over that anyway. (We should be able to support USB Expresscards with a simple drive-bay peripheral or something; full support obviously must wait until PCI-X comes to our corner of PowerPC-land.)

Like I already said, I'd be more concerned about having a regular back-panel DVI connection a possibility, since that'll keep these little things out of the trash as digital flat-panels get cheap. (DVI lets you put the analog signals on the connector as well, so all you'd need is a cheap passive 'dongle' to turn an analog-supporting DVI connection into the D-sub VGA connection for a CRT. But it does look like they might have trouble cramming the same in under their choice of parallel riser.)

I assume this sort of reaction is what Eyetech/Mai are looking for as they refine the design... Anyone hold a conflicting opinion?
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 10 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
I know what you mean, but it's gonna take a lot more than that. Just look at all that gorgeous Apple hardware and the awesome OS X - they still only have around 5% of the computer market (although a considerable part of the laptop market).
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 11 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 20-Sep-2003 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
5% of the computer market is still a hell of a lot of computers. I'm sure AInc would be very happy with such a figure.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 12 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 21-Sep-2003 02:04 GMT
http://www.mini-itx.com/

Sure they deserve to be advised of this new Motherboard to put it into their news.

A PPC mini-itx board must sure be very impressive news for them...

Is out there any person with represetative skills who offers to mail them about Amiga One PPC mini-itx preproduction board?

Sure I could mail them but I am not an official PR from Eyetech or Soft3...


Ciao,

Raffaele
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 13 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2003 02:05 GMT
Specs are awesome, better than what I expected, hope the price of the board is reasonable ($300 or less) and I'll be happy to get one.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 14 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 21-Sep-2003 02:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Ben):
In comment nr."1" mr. Ben wrote:

>Challenge #1: Someone fit it in an A1200 case :)
>I know it can fit in a C64...
>http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/

That's it...

>http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/

at mini-itx.com sure they also know nothing about CBM-One mini Motherboard.

It is another news they deserve to receive submitted to their site...
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 15 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Fredrik (Fjudde) on 21-Sep-2003 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
"How would you connect the A1200 keyboard to the new motherboard?"


Well, the "Challenge" is supposed to be a challenge I guess:-)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 16 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 21-Sep-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (catohagen):
> this is certainly perfect for a home entertainment system with that tv-out for
> watching movies or having a visual plugin running on your tv while listening to
> your mp3 collection :)

No, without 5.1 sound and digital audio out, it isn't perfect for a home entertainment system. The most VIA Epia boards have a better audio system.

But with Gigabit Ethernet and RAID it is nearly perfect for a small Homeserver. I hope it have someting like Wake On LAN for the integrated Ethernet port too. Most actual Epia Boards have this feature and it is a nice feature to switch your Homeserver on over the LAN.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 17 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2003 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Raffaele):
If you're referring to Jeri Ellsworth's c-one, then it does not really apply to them. The c-one is a full-sized ATX motherboard, the smallest case it can fit into is a mid-tower.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 18 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 21-Sep-2003 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anony Mouse):
Well, with gfx, lan, firewire (and so on) onboard you can use the PCI slot for a good sound card (which costs next to nothing these days anyway).

So I think it has a chance.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 19 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nickman on 21-Sep-2003 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Fredrik (Fjudde)):
How about an amiga 1200 keyboard converter to a amiga 4000 kb, plug and that in a Catweasel MK3 PCI/Flipper =)

Solved!
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 20 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 21-Sep-2003 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Olegil):
> Well, with gfx, lan, firewire (and so on) onboard you can use the PCI slot for a good sound
> card (which costs next to nothing these days anyway).
The PCI slot is needed for other things. E.g. if I want to build a digital videorecorder, I need the PCI slot for a digitial TV receiver card. And digital output is more or less standard on Mini-ITX boards. If the AmigaOne Lite have none it is a minus for this board especially if it should be used as a Multimedia Computer or similar.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 21 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Ami603 on 21-Sep-2003 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Fredrik (Fjudde)):
What about thaT? use one catweasel MKIII on the horizontal pci and tweak one A500/a4000 kb with it, this way you have Both Amiga mouse and keyboard running.Not too much difficult i see ;)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 22 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 21-Sep-2003 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anony Mouse):
And if it's possible to do as on the Epia, with more than one PCI slot on a riser card? I am confident that this product can sell to Amigans without digital audio.

You won't sell it to the mini-itx crowd without Windows anyway... And please don't suggest a port of Windows for it, ok? ;-)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 23 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 21-Sep-2003 09:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anony Mouse):
Does lack of digital output mean we can't use it with pc monitors?

Thinking of getting a pc from http://www.multivision.co.uk who bundle in 18 inch flat screen monitors.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 24 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Sep-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (John Block):
Many TFT monitors comes with both a regular analog VGA 15-pin connector and a digital DVI connector. Of course the DVI is to prefer ...
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 25 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
> Like I already said, I'd be more concerned about having a regular back-panel
> DVI connection a possibility, since that'll keep these little things out of
> the trash as digital flat-panels get cheap. (DVI lets you put the analog
> signals on the connector as well, so all you'd need is a cheap passive
> 'dongle' to turn an analog-supporting DVI connection into the D-sub VGA
> connection for a CRT. But it does look like they might have trouble cramming
> the same in under their choice of parallel riser.)

> I assume this sort of reaction is what Eyetech/Mai are looking for as they
> refine the design... Anyone hold a conflicting opinion?

Nope, I agree completely :-). I too want a DVI connection on the board. However, unlike you, I want two of them, because TFTs that can do more than 1280x1024 are still way too expensive and look set to remain that for quite some time. Besides, two inexpensive TFTs each capable of doing 1280x1024 will give you approximately 36.5 per cent /more/ screen real-estate than one capable of doing 1600x1200.

Something to think about, eh? :-)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 26 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 21-Sep-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
An Anonymous dude wrote:

>If you're referring to Jeri Ellsworth's c-one,
>then it does not really apply to them.
>The c-one is a full-sized ATX motherboard,
>the smallest case it can fit into is a mid-tower.

Does it use to be so big board? Doh!
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 27 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 21-Sep-2003 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Olegil):
> And if it's possible to do as on the Epia, with more than one PCI slot on a riser card?
Hopefully that is possible. But anyway, there are better things to use the PCI slot as for a soundcard. For example, with two digital TV receiver cards it is possible to record to TV programs at the same time. ;-)

> I am confident that this product can sell to Amigans without digital audio.
To Amigans yes. But I think that this product should sell to Non Amigans too. There is only a future for Amiga if they can sell their products to Non Amigans.

>You won't sell it to the mini-itx crowd without Windows anyway... And please don't suggest a
> port of Windows for it, ok? ;-)
Many ITX boards already are used with Linux. And you can sell a PPC Minit-ITX board, if its price is O.K., to Mini-ITX fans too. A PPC Mini-ITX board have more CPU power than the VIA boards and it needs not so much cooling as an Pentium 4 Mini-ITX board.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 28 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2003 17:06 GMT
Now we're back to the good old days where people where thinking about ways to make their machines more "cool" - The new A1 SE Lite is definitely a great idea.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 29 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 21-Sep-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Anonymous said,
>> I assume this sort of reaction is what Eyetech/Mai are looking for as they
>> refine the design... Anyone hold a conflicting opinion?

> Nope, I agree completely :-). I too want a DVI connection on the board.
> However, unlike you, I want two of them, because TFTs that can do more
> than 1280x1024 are still way too expensive and look set to remain that
> for quite some time. Besides, two inexpensive TFTs each capable of
> doing 1280x1024 will give you approximately 36.5 per cent /more/ screen
> real-estate than one capable of doing 1600x1200.

> Something to think about, eh? :-)

Indeed, that'd rule, but I assume this is *supposed* to be the low-end/cost-reduced model. ;) I'm not sure how the Radeon TV-out works, I assume the chip is at most twin-head (I get the impression this might be a laptop Radeon, don't really know how many 'heads' or features those include), so if you have to shuffle things around, it feels like it'd be best to have the S-Vid on a separate head for convenience of low-end video work or home-entertainment gadgetry.

(Since, for about the next 5-10 years, I imagine big "TVs" will still be more common/affordable than the big 'displays.' ... So it's more likely that myself, as a user, will want to hook it to one 'display' and one 'TV' now - and watch DVD or something on the 'TV' head while working on the main display - and by the time a wall-sized DVI panel is cheap enough, the hardware will probably be old enough that I won't mind dedicating it to the 'embedded' task, as a generic browser-box/MP3 player/DVD player, maybe with an ATSC card in the PCI slot.)

After all, the XE still exists if you want the freedom to drop in a full twinhead card. It'd be nice to see them both hit the same low pricepoint, the XE 'big' and expandable, but with the added cost of supplying your own video card and such, the Lite closer to a full system... Maybe with a 32MB or 64MB SODIMM included so you can boot it out of the box? Those must be down to like $2 in surplus now, though we might still need buffered/registered...
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 30 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 03:04 GMT
always showing more lies upon more lies.
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 31 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 22-Sep-2003 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
A1 Lite, the SE was dropped (since the CPU is now the same modules as for the XE, not soldered on like the SE)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 32 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 22-Sep-2003 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anony Mouse):
>> And if it's possible to do as on the Epia, with more than one PCI slot on a riser card?
>Hopefully that is possible. But anyway, there are better things to use the PCI
>slot as for a soundcard. For example, with two digital TV receiver cards it is
>possible to record to TV programs at the same time. ;-)

Yeah, that's really a must ;-)

>> I am confident that this product can sell to Amigans without digital audio.
>To Amigans yes. But I think that this product should sell to Non Amigans too.
>There is only a future for Amiga if they can sell their products to Non Amigans.

This is a replacement for Eyetechs CD32-based infodesk systems. Hopefully it could see use as stb as well, but I really think one TV input is enough. Leaves a free PCI slot. Or you could use firewire for digital audio...

>>You won't sell it to the mini-itx crowd without Windows anyway... And please don't suggest a
>> port of Windows for it, ok? ;-)
>Many ITX boards already are used with Linux. And you can sell a PPC Minit-ITX
>board, if its price is O.K., to Mini-ITX fans too. A PPC Mini-ITX board have
>more CPU power than the VIA boards and it needs not so much cooling as an Pentium 4 Mini-ITX board.

It will be a lot simpler to sell it to clients who write their own software (industrial use) than tconsumers who expect it to run Word. Seriously.
What you're thinking of is probably so far into the future that we'll see a new version of the Articia by then (Sa/P) making the whole design obsolete anyway.

I will buy it even without digital 5.1 sound, and I suspect a lot of others will. I suspect adding it would increase the cost more than bundling a cheap/dirty digital audio card.
Not saying I don't agree that it would be nice, just arguing against the logic that it is a "must have". I could be wrong, however.

But until it has super cow powers, I can't use it ;-)
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 33 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 22-Sep-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
The question of registered memory was never that big a concern for a single module. I guess there's only one module here anyway, so...
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 34 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 22-Sep-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Olegil):
> It will be a lot simpler to sell it to clients who write their own software
> (industrial use) than tconsumers who expect it to run Word. Seriously.

This board is surely nothing for Windows users. ;-) And it is also nothing for people who want a small Desktop PC. This peoble will buy x86 anyway.

But I think this board can find customers other than Amiga Fan(atic)s, if the price is realistic. It can be a good board for people who want to use it as a Mini homeserver or a digital videorecorder or Multimedia PC for the living room and who want to use Linux for it. This are also only niches, but better than nothing. But as I said, for a Mini homeserver Wake on LAN would be nice and for a Multimedia PC for the living room, in my opinion, digital audio out is a must have. And for this compact devices, there is no reason to give away one PCI slot, of only one or two available slots, for a audio card which can be easily integrated on the motherboard and which all competitors have on Mini-ITX boards. The board is only interessting for Non Amigans if the price is realisitc and if it have all features needed for a special purpose. It can find a niche in the Mini-ITX market because it have more CPU power than the VIA Epia boards and it needs also not extensive cooling.

And, industrial customers, who maybe want to build a settop box on top of this board, also need 5.1 digital sound. Im sure, if they exist ;-), this industrial customers don't want to plug an extra audio card in.

> What you're thinking of is probably so far into the future that we'll see a
> new version of the Articia by then (Sa/P) making the whole design obsolete
> anyway.

Hopefully we will see boards with this chips. But I think they will sell as much as they can of the first AmigaOne Lite board design, before they design a new one. And I think they should try to find as much customers as possible, also outside the Amiga market with this board. And for this they shouldn't save a little money and should at such peanuts as 5.1 digital audio out. Which digital audio out, this board would be nearly perfect for homeservers and multimedia dvices (STB, digital videorecorder).
AmigaOne Lite Specs revealed : Comment 35 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 22-Sep-2003 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anony Mouse):
There is a market . . . . . where bicycles number in the MILLIONS....

that automobile numbers will expand to satisfy such as NEVER before!
where Settop Boxes will similarly -- expand!
where HOME & business computers will be eagerly sought!

- where MSWindows will be largely UNWANTED!

Linux IS an alternate option to Win!
Linux-PPC is a alternate option to Linux-x86!

AmigaOS-PPC can share with that last alternate option!

(FINAL PROPOSITION)-
As units go into production for THAT marketplace;
AmigaOne & AmigaOne Lite prices will drop!!!!!!
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