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| Posted by Phill on 22-Sep-2003 14:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 149 (Fabio Alemagna):
> >No, I mean the webpage.
> Well you'll have to point out the strange thing I'm looking for then.
>Come on! Of course I was referring to those patches!
Sorry, you're really losing me on this. I asked you if you meant the patches and you said no. Anyway, I guess I was supposed to be impressed.
>It doesn't matter, because in those conditions even comparing WinUAE vs
> WinUAE is meaningless. Your point is just moot, please realize it and move on.
So why did you jump on what I was saying as I clearly wrote all that in the original post. Ok, so yes if you know every single difference between the WinUAE & UAE source and have carefully hand crafted the test to avoid all those instances & all the bugs, then yes you can roughly compare them.
Phill |
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| Posted by tonya on 22-Sep-2003 15:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (JoannaK):
i have just heard that "EVA" wasnt infact at the show AT ALL , she/he is just a lame troll... if he/she was then use your real name next! |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 153 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by xisp on 22-Sep-2003 15:01 GMT | I want to emphasize the great intelligence of Frodon at releasing those
videos. He analyzed carefully what was the worst thing he could show from
this first AOS4 on AOne demo: Window responsiveness.
In his posts, he has carefully associated this effect with 68k emul
performance. He has subtly send a message saying: "MorphOS is a lot faster
than his competitor, it is superior. Buy it."
But Bernd Meyer, which is an especialist in Amiga emulators for mainstream
hardware has given us an important clue of where is the real bottleneck of
OS4 demo: P96 driver implementation is precarious.
This demo was to show the fact that OS4 booted into workbench. They sacrificed perfomance to do this, with a crappy graphics driver implementation.
Frodon made it: He distracted people from the achievement and put his finger
in the wound: graphics performance. A good strategy to undermine the competitor
without looking like a troll. Admirable. Magnific. 140+ posts in this thread
and growing. Frodon obtains 1000 points. 50 points go for Meyer knowing the
truth and for being a good fellow. The rest must train more. Eva is penalized
for not being subtle. I'm sorry Eva. Perhaps next time. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 154 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 22-Sep-2003 15:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 152 (tonya):
Sigh.
Can please idiots stop frm cry because Aos4 is 2 years behind Mos? |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 155 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 15:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 151 (Phill):
> >Come on! Of course I was referring to those patches!
> Sorry, you're really losing me on this. I asked you if you meant the patches
> and you said no.
The question was stupid, the answer was on the same line. Surprised?
> Anyway, I guess I was supposed to be impressed.
Impressed? Surely not, but at least that some proof that I know about emulators more than you showed to know so far. You said I don't know anything about emulators, I gave you tangible proof that you are wrong and presumptuous.
> > It doesn't matter, because in those conditions even comparing WinUAE vs
> > WinUAE is meaningless. Your point is just moot, please realize it and move
> > on.
> So why did you jump on what I was saying as I clearly wrote all that in the
> original post.
You said that it's stupid to compare WinUAE and UAE, and you gave some reasons to back up your claim, I then replied to THOSE reasons, and debunked them. So far you've not been able to provide me with any relevant reply on the matter.
You want I tell you that you win? Ok, you win. Can we move on now, please? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 15:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (xisp):
@Xisp:
brilliant analysis! That's our Frodon. Always nice and friendly but we all know why he took the videos. As an avid MorphOs users, he had no interest whatsover in OS4 and indeed he carefully selected all the weak points of OS4 at the moment.
And it worked. At least for those that don't know Frodon for what he really is :) |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 15:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 154 (Eva):
@ Eva
> Can please idiots stop frm cry because Aos4 is 2 years behind Mos?
Less than 2 years ago MOS did not have its own Workbench replacement yet. Therefor in December 2001 the MOS team still talked about running AmigaOS3.1 hosted on top of a kernel. :)
http://www.aminet.net/aminet.cgi?string=vd-ami2k1s_eng.mpg
Mr Carda did show a nice demo though, he demonstrated how fast interpreted emulation, JIT emulation and PPC native versions were compared to eachother:
The results:
Interpreted emulation: 4 FPS
JIT version: 49 FPS (12 times faster)
PPC native version: 195 FPS (49 times faster) |
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| Posted by MarkTime on 22-Sep-2003 15:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (xisp):
Frodon gets 1,000 points for style. Eva gets none.
But even worse, I don't even get mentioned, and I really am a troll.
Sigh, I know I'm losing my touch, but then again, I have a job.
Well...
of course the important thing was they booted the dang thing into workbench, some 2 years late. Yes you are right, that was the big news...and the whole article confused me, but I did pick up on it, eventually.
they did it. That proves they are just slow, not simply incapable of doing the job at all.
This is better news than nothing. Frodon's comments about Mac OS X should be ignored.
I agree with that. Sure Mac OS X beta (which I owned) was a remarkably finished OS, it was stable and had a huge number of new features...and they still took a year to give the release version out....and they were still criticized that 1.0 was not even 'really' the final version...that was Mac OS 10.2, released a couple years after the beta.
But Amiga/Hyperion is no Apple. Fact is, Amiga/Hyperion can leave things out, like a Netscape port, hardware accelerated OpenGL, and a host of other things, and not get dinged by the faithful.
Amiga and Apple just aren't in the same league, the expectations aren't there, no one who is going to buy OS 4 is expecting it to be a modern OS, they are just expecting an improvement on OS 3.9 that runs on PPC hardware....and Hyperion is set to deliver what is expected...(SOMEDAY)
the bar is much, much lower....but that is 'realistic' as they say....as a couple of amateur os coders should not be expected to match the output of an army of professional os coders that work at apple.
The only opportunity we had for a more professional product was when Amiga Inc still had some money, but they blew it all on the never finished DE product....old news, of course....such is the Amiga market, love it or leave it.
Of course MorphOS is still more advanced than OS 4, that will change, when it actually changes....not before.
Booting to OS 4 is good, cause now morphOS booted on PPC hardware since years ago....
They will probably improve at a slightly more rapid pace now...hopefully the hard stuff has been worked out...but why would a couple of amateur os coders start exceeding the pace of the morphOS team?
they have finally gotten the thing booting, but its not an indication that they are catching up....hardly, I would guess they will continue to fall behind.
Who will get netscape, or some modern browser first? another milestone to watch.
I personally don't care who does, actually....when one of them does, that will be a good day. |
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| Posted by Kronos on 22-Sep-2003 15:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 157 (Mike Bouma):
>Less than 2 years ago MOS did not have its own Workbench replacement yet.
But it allready had a native gfx-system ..... |
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| Posted by Sonork on 22-Sep-2003 15:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 159 (Kronos):
> But it allready had a native gfx-system .....
OS4 has already native tcp/ip stack and MorphOS hasn't. Is that mean that MOS is 2 years behind OS4? |
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| Posted by Andreas Wolf on 22-Sep-2003 15:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 157 (Mike Bouma):
> Less than 2 years ago MOS did not have its own Workbench replacement yet.
> Therefor in December 2001 the MOS team still talked about running AmigaOS3.1
> hosted on top of a kernel. :)
Workbench != AmigaOS. |
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| Posted by MarkTime on 22-Sep-2003 15:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 160 (Sonork):
it is outrageous that MorphOS doesn't have a native TCP/IP stack, but you know, everyone did have an IP stack, just the one they brought over from OS 3.+ days.
But even OS 3.9 had genesis, so nevermind Roadshow, which has never been released.....but genesis is good to be a qualifier, Amiga has had a tcp/ip stack for years, and MorphOS has not.
It just goes to show, the world isn't in black and white....not having a tcp/ip stack is a huge ding on MorphOS. But still, give them credit, they didn't make their purchasers run Linux if they didn't want too. |
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| Posted by Eva on 22-Sep-2003 15:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 161 (Andreas Wolf):
Lol this is the only answer that Aos4 supporters can state :D |
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| Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 22-Sep-2003 15:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 146 (Jürgen Schober):
You seem to miss the whole point about simplerefresh. The bandwidth becomes a real problem when there's a lot of smart refresh windows on screen, having a fast AGP won't help much - of course things will be much faster than on an Amiga but still simple refresh will be much much faster as it doesn't require caching the bitmaps - less blits, less temp bitmaps allocated by layers.library, less bus load, etc. Using simple refresh there is also no problem with runnig out of gfx memory simply because simple ref window doesn't have it's own bitmap.
About resize - there is NO such thing as "background defective rectangle" when you use a smart refresh window (yes, every layer has it's damage and clip region but this is not the case when resizing a smart refresh window). What you need to do when resizing a smart refresh window is to redraw WHOLE contents of smart refresh bitmap (most common case). While doing that the visible parts of bitmap are synchronised with screen bitmap (double refreshing, more bus load, more cpu load). This is not the case with simple refresh because there's no offscreen bitmap which needs to contain whole widnow contents - you only redraw the visible parts and rest of the gfx ops get clipped away by layers. |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 15:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 161 (Andreas Wolf):
@ Andreas Wolf
> Workbench != AmigaOS.
IMO not, IMO it's a very important part of AmigaOS though, but Mr Carda specificly mentioned (video coverage mentioned above) being able to run AmigaOS3.1, AmigaOS3.5 and AmigaOS3.9 on top of the MorphOS kernel. If you don't agree with his wording you can sent him an email. ;) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 15:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 163 (Eva):
Lol still no intelligent comment... |
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| Posted by dammy on 22-Sep-2003 15:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 160 (Sonork):
> OS4 has already native tcp/ip stack and MorphOS hasn't.
Native? Or is it third party?
Dammy |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Sep-2003 16:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 167 (dammy):
Both. Roadshow is third party, but has been compiled natively for OS4 (AFAIK). |
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| Posted by Georg Steger on 22-Sep-2003 16:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 164 (Jacek Piszczek):
> About resize - there is NO such thing as "background defective rectangle" when you use a smart refresh window (yes, every
> layer has it's damage and clip region but this is not the case when resizing a smart refresh window). What you need to do
Actually resizing a smart refresh layer does cause layer damage if the layer
became bigger. Damage is added for the new areas. Not all (many?) apps handle/
care about IDCMP_REFRESHWINDOW messages for their smart refresh windows. And
of course sometimes (often?) a window resize for an app means redraw whole
contents, anyway, because of elements in the window needing to become bigger/smaller. |
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| Posted by Raffaele on 22-Sep-2003 16:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 154 (Eva):
Mr or Mrs Eva wrote:
>Sigh.
>Can please idiots stop frm cry because Aos4 is 2 years behind Mos?
Well, such an intelligent post like yours deserves no answer...
BUT I am not versus AmigaOne neither versus Pegasos, so this gives me an *HONEST* opportunity to answer to you, and I don't want to renounce at it.
Well, let's start:
----------------------
I have a strong wish regarding you...
This wish regards strongly that you could return soon to the real world.
And this implies that you have or will have children.
I hope for you that in a parent school meeting, when your childs will got 3 years old, and could barely read or writing, another parent, whose children were 5, will start laughing at your children as idiots because they got those skills a level 2 years behind his ones... |
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| Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 22-Sep-2003 16:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Mike Bouma):
>I have AmigaOS3.9 running on a 1GHz Duron/512MB RAM running
>under WinXP. When disabling the JIT engine the OS is nearly
>unusable.
Three years ago I've reviewed Amiga Forever for an important
italian IT magazine. At that time UAE was perfectly usable
on my old Celeron 433Mhz without JIT emulation. Many people
who had read my review agreed with my conclusions.
I also written articles about emulation for years and I'm an
emulation fan, both on Amiga 68k/ppc and on Intel platforms.
I can so tell you without any doubt that an 1GHz processor
can emulate a 030/040. It can. Period.
State the opposite means spread false statements, whatever
are your reasons to do so. |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 16:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 171 (Gabriele Favrin):
@ Gabriele Favrin
> perfectly usable
Seeing we are running around in circels about personal opinions here, I will quote Eugenia Loli, a general OS expert on her initial impressions of emulating AmigaOS3.9 through the use of WinUAE with and without JIT emulation:
Without JIT enabled:
"Yay! I got AmigaOS 3.9 running under WinUAE on my WinXP at 800x600x16bit, just this morning! It took me 2 hours to configure it and figure it out (thanks for your help Howard :) as I have never used an Amiga before, but it is finally there! It rules (even if it runs a bit slowly on my dual Celeron 533 Mhz)! :D"
With JIT enabled:
"You were of course right. I played with the Jit settings (the UI around it is bad, it was greyed out all the time), I gave it 4 MB of cache, and now Amiga flies! :)"
So, Eugenia's first impression was that it was slow on a dual 533 Mhz Celeron. I agree with her, without JIT the general experience is IMO too slow to consider for everyday use, with JIT enabled the general experience is multiple times faster though. :)
But if a JIT disabled environment is good enough for you, then please feel free to leave it disabled. ;) It's easier that way since you don't have to disable it all of the time when loading up games. :) |
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| Posted by LinusG on 22-Sep-2003 16:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 171 (Gabriele Favrin):
Do you think that 030 or 040 can be considered useful these days? It´s ok if you just want to check your email and play some old games but that's it. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 17:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (xisp):
>I want to emphasize the great intelligence of Frodon at releasing those
>videos. He analyzed carefully what was the worst thing he could show from
>this first AOS4 on AOne demo: Window responsiveness.
So what was the best thing he could show ? Are there any strong points of AOS4 on AOne yet ? Can it do anything better/faster than a 68K OS3.9 installation yet ? What would be the point for an OS4 release otherwise ?
It only showed that the Hermans phrase "You always make a first impression once" is pretty obsolete now. If I were an AOne owner I would be pretty much pissed off that the company providing OS4 still has no clue when its ready to deliver the promised OS. Seems like a never ending story with a lot of good will of customers involved. |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 17:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 171 (Gabriele Favrin):
@ Gabriele Favrin
> I can so tell you without any doubt that an 1GHz processor
> can emulate a 030/040. It can. Period.
I see nobody doubting that. But I use a 060 with my A4000. My 030 days were around 1993 with an A1200 and a 8 color Workbench.
> State the opposite means spread false statements, whatever
> are your reasons to do so.
Maybe my standards are just higher than yours, ever considered that to be a possibility?
Maybe you don't know that I have been a big UAE advocate when many hardcore Amiga users still made it to be a taboo? So I am not trying to pull down UAE or something. :-o |
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| Posted by itix on 22-Sep-2003 17:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (LinusG):
On Amiga 040 is almost highend, up to date machine :-) |
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| Posted by Raffaele on 22-Sep-2003 17:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (LinusG):
@LinusG:
>Do you think that 030 or 040 can be considered useful these days?
>It´s ok if you just want to check your email and play some
>old games but that's it.
Considering the fact that internet pages are still almost static ones,
And the fact that e-mails are nothing but txt files...
Considering the fact that you may desire to write notes and see some photographs...
Yes such processor could be, if inserted into a well optimized environment, still useful... |
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| Posted by Raffaele on 22-Sep-2003 17:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 177 (Raffaele):
Precisation:
Before any attack, I want to add that '030 and '40 are definitely not good anymore for:
Viewing DVD videos,
Listen compressed music files,
and finally 3D extensive rendering!
But they are good for the purposes I listed in my previous message. |
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| Posted by Phill on 22-Sep-2003 17:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 155 (Fabio Alemagna):
>The question was stupid, the answer was on the same line. Surprised?
I realise that english isn't your first language but you seem to have some problems following a conversation. I've copied the releavant parts out of each thread & I haven't got a clue why the question is stupid:
Fabio:"But perhaps it would be better if you told me what knowledge you have about emulators and about ME to state what you just stated. Do one thing, go to the official UAE page, scroll it a bit, and then tell me if you noticed anything "strange"."
Phill:"Do you mean the couple of patches you made to UAE?
Fabio:"No, I mean the webpage. "
Phill:"Well you'll have to point out the strange thing I'm looking for then."
Fabio:"Come on! Of course I was referring to those patches!"
Phill:"Sorry, you're really losing me on this. I asked you if you meant the patches and you said no. Anyway, I guess I was supposed to be impressed."
Fabio:"The question was stupid, the answer was on the same line. Surprised?"
Are you drunk?
>Impressed? Surely not, but at least that some proof that I know about
> emulators more than you showed to know so far. You said I don't know
> anything about emulators, I gave you tangible proof that you are wrong and
> presumptuous.
Sorry, but no that isn't tangible proof. Give some examples of a decent cpu core & video hardware emulation you have written ( and not that one of your friends has written ) and maybe then I'd believe you.
>You said that it's stupid to compare WinUAE and UAE, and you gave some
> reasons to back up your claim, I then replied to THOSE reasons, and debunked
> them. So far you've not been able to provide me with any relevant reply on
> the matter.
No you didn't debunk them. You said some incorrect things that I picked you up on and you then said I was nitpicking.
If you really want proof that enabling picasso emulation doesn't put the rest of the UAE code out of the equation, then I was under the impression the reason that Amithlon is faster than WinUAE because it only has minimimal chipset emulation in it. Now I can only go on what I have heard & I'm sure Bernie can confirm or deny this. But if the code that is slowing WinUAE/UAE down is no longer in sync, then any tests that you perform between the two could be affected by any improvements or bugs or whatever is different between the two.
> You want I tell you that you win? Ok, you win. Can we move on now, please?
Oh, you want to get me to shut up so you can feel as if you have won? I'll accept your defeat, as long as you really mean it.
Phill |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Sep-2003 18:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (xisp):
Erm, while i might not always agree with Frodon, i fail to see any mischief in his posts in this thread, he gave his opinions & concerns, and they have been discussed in an adult manner.
Cheers |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Sep-2003 18:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 158 (MarkTime):
Marktime, do you have any idea how insulting your post came over to me?
Things like this sentence (there are others, but lets start with this one):
"They will probably improve at a slightly more rapid pace now...hopefully the hard stuff has been worked out...but why would a couple of amateur os coders start exceeding the pace of the morphOS team? "
Knowing some of the coders in the Hyperion team i know for a fact that they are not "amateurs", they might be less experianced in OS development, but they sure as hell know their compilers.
As for them "falling further behind", that claim is bogus, most of the things MOS has as an advantage comes from bundled software, and isn't really a part of the OS (in my humble opinion).
Cheers |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Sep-2003 18:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 159 (Kronos):
And AOS4 has a Workbench, silly argumentation, they simply worked on different parts first.
Cheers |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Sep-2003 18:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 163 (Eva):
Over generalising are we?
Cheers |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 18:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (Eva):
Who gives a flying f*ck? If I have o buy a new computer to use only old programs I'll stick to my PC. My A1 mots likely won't ever see an old Amiga program. |
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| Posted by dammy on 22-Sep-2003 18:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 168 (Peter Gordon):
> Both. Roadshow is third party, but has been compiled natively for OS4 (AFAIK).
I wouldn't be bragging about it being apart of OS4 as a native application then. Had Hyperion developed roadshow exclusively for OS4, then I would completely agree that it is indeed a native TCP/IP stack for OS4. It's third party and will be sold to other OSs, like MOS.
Dammy |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Sep-2003 18:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 154 (Eva):
Oh, cut it off... You are not going to convince anyone this way, people who like
/consider MOS, bought a Peg ages ago (like me) or are considering buying one.
This way, you just make people hate the platform... |
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| Posted by z5 on 22-Sep-2003 18:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 186 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@Alkis:
You are correct. I am interested in both OS4 and Pegasos/MorphOs. But some MorphOs users are really putting me off from the idea. I wonder...when i go to a morphOs forum, will all those people be like that?
The fact that a MorphOs guy took those videos just to show how slow OS4 on AOne is (which i find completely normal considering the fact that the port was quickly rushed and finished the night before) is something that does not go down well with me either.
I still find it extremely strange that all OS4 threads are filled with MorphOs ppl and a lot of trolling posts.
Isn't it time that you went be your OWN STRENGHTS instead of trying to bash the competition at each and every opportunity? Or are there so few strenghts that you can only do this (show reports seem to indicate otherwise). It does leave a very negative image of MorphOs (community), at least with me. And it puts me off the idea of buying a Pegesasos. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Sep-2003 18:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (xisp):
First people wants video of OS4 on all forums.
They are given it.
Now it's Frodon's fault it wasn't what was expected?
Grow up, will you? |
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| Posted by JoannaK on 22-Sep-2003 18:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 188 (hooligan/dcs):
Well.. it's easier to blame messenger than look for real issue.
Ah well. some people are just impossible to please. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Sep-2003 18:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 179 (Phill):
He's not drunk, he used something, probably not known to you, called "Irony". |
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| Posted by Sonork on 22-Sep-2003 18:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 185 (dammy):
> It's third party and will be sold to other OSs, like MOS.
RoadShow is integrated part of AmigaOS 4. Forget about MOS native version of RoadShow. Maybe you get old AmiTCP/IP port and nothing more. MOS is 2 or even 3 years behind OS4 because doesn't have native TCP/IP stack. Opearating System in 2003 without native TCP/IP stack is worthless. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 18:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 187 (z5):
"when i go to a morphOs forum, will all those people be like that?"
try goto #morphos and see all the pathetic 'grownups' doing
!fleecy
!die mceven
!kill ben hormons
!hate AmigaOne |
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| Posted by z5 on 22-Sep-2003 18:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 188 (hooligan/dcs):
@Hooligan:
Come on Hooligan :) You know why this videos were taken and posted. And you know damn well that Frodon is not the least bit interested in OS4 or in doing OS4 people a favour.
Let's not be naive here.
But i must thank him for filming a milestone in OS4 development. I can see reason why it was slow, so it's no problem for me. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Sep-2003 19:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 187 (z5):
@Z5
Read MorphZone. And no, there is no BBRV worshipping as suggested all the time. Also, the mailinglists are very helpful, filled with decent people helping a lot. A lot of thanks must go to MOS developers who spend *lots* of time answering questions.
Again I'd like to emphasize: do not let a couple people affect your decision about hardware or software.
Btw, out of curiousity, which kind of videos you would have wanted to see? What I have understood this was pretty much what was shown.. no real apps, just playing with the Workbench. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 195 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Sep-2003 19:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 191 (Sonork):
First of all, Olaf was to port Roadshow to MorphOS as well, as he did with FFS2,
but he signed an exclusive PPC contract with Hyperion.
And... MorphOS DOES have a TCP stack in development, used by the developers for
AGES. It has no GUI yet (this may have changed since the last time I checked).
and hence it's not released yet. BTW, it's not just na AmiTCP port, it has many
new features, that are required by todays standards.
Cut it with these MOS vs OS4 stuff, already. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 196 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Sep-2003 19:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 192 (Anonymous):
!die mceven
!kill ben hormons
!hate AmigaOne
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These do not exist:-) |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 197 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Sep-2003 19:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 193 (z5):
I am way from being naive. Why we don't have 30 minutes video of OS4 in use, filmed by someone from the "other camp"?
I think we could set up a video camera next weekend, filming people using OS4 for 30-60 mins (or more if wanted), encode it to avi (unedited, uncut) and put it online, if OS4 would be shown next weekend at Saku.
What we need iis someone to bring the OS. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 198 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by z5 on 22-Sep-2003 19:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 194 (hooligan/dcs):
@Hooligan:
You're far too smart to not know that Frodon did not do this as a favour for OS4 ppl (wow...what a sentence :))
Anyway, that's the last thing i'll say on the topic. Indeed, i was very happy with the movies. It booted, it looked quite good. It was more than i could have expected. For me, it was a milestone. And i respect and understood the reasons for it being slow at the moment. Period.
And really, the constant mud throwing is really doing more damage than good to the morphos reputation. I still don't see the point in it. I still don't understand why OS4 news has the same ppl troll and troll and troll. If you are not interested in OS4, then don't comment.
Seriously, i don't get it. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 199 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Sep-2003 19:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 198 (z5):
Take a look at my comment here:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1064227357&category=files&number=61#comment
...and point where you and I disagree? Now this will be my last post on this topic for today as I will have to get up tomorrow at 5:45 ..
Good night. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 200 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sonork on 22-Sep-2003 19:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 195 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> but he signed an exclusive PPC contract with Hyperion.
There won't be this modern TCP/IP stack with GUI for MorphOS. What a pity :-D
> MorphOS DOES have a TCP stack in development, used by the developers for
AGES. It has no GUI yet
AmigaOS 4 has RTG system in development but it has no native version yet. |
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