| [Files] See AmigaOS4 in action | ANN.lu |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 51 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 10:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (Amon_Re):
> Eva, go away from the computer, look for a school, and take up a course in the
> English language
I agree Eva overreacts, but asking her to take an English course... gee, is there any more childish way to make a point?
Call me when you know how to speak Italian at least as well as Eva speaks English. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 52 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 10:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Mike Bouma):
> I have AmigaOS3.9 running on a 1GHz Duron/512MB RAM running under WinXP. When
> disabling the JIT engine the OS is nearly unusable. This even with all the fancy
> stuff disabled,
Your computr must be severly crippled, then, since with my Duron@700Mhz and 128MiB of RAM, under linux, I run AOS3.5 with all bells and whistles at a very usable speed, much more responsive than linux on the same machine, I must say. And that without JIT. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 53 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 10:45 GMT | About the .MOV files:
They play perfect in the latest version of MooVID! |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 54 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 22-Sep-2003 10:50 GMT | Thanks for the movies :)
Sadly it doesn't look too good for OS4.
Even without JIT and with a 68k gfx system, it should be way faster than that on a 933Mhz G4. Even my A4000 030@25Mhz with mediator/voodoo3 was way faster than what I saw on those videos, but it was nice to see it in action anyway.
Who knows, maybe Hyperion will turn in around in the last few months and bring everything back on track. I hope so - I was hoping to buy one of those new A1-Lites and OS4 to run on it. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 10:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (JoannaK):
Well I think it was important to show that they are quite close to goal. It's importanta to show that there has been progress. If you don't show anything then people would think that "it wont even boot" or similar. First MOS demos were not so convincing either. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 10:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (Fabio Alemagna):
Well even 030 50Mhzspeed is wery usable :) And even unexpanded A1200 can sometimes feel more responsive than Linux or Windows :) |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 10:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (Fabio Alemagna):
@ Fabio Alemagna
> Your computr must be severly crippled, then, since with my Duron@700Mhz and
> 128MiB of RAM, under linux, I run AOS3.5 with all bells and whistles at a
> very usable speed, much more responsive than linux on the same machine, I
> must say. And that without JIT.
It's not, else I would notice this while using other software as well. My system is well configured and runs AmigaOS3.9-2 fast when JIT is enabled. But when disabled it's really slow (slower than what you see in the videos).
AmigaOS3.1 runs much faster though, but of course it lacks many enhancements and thus AmigaOS3.9-2 is closer to AmigaOS4 than AmigaOS3.1, which on its turn has many more enhancements compared to AmigaOS3.9-2.
I have an AIAB environment installed as well. The tutorial I have written:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/features/index.php?op=r&cat_id=4&rev_id=4&sort_by |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 58 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Mike Bouma):
I would have been impressed if this had happened 2 years ago as was announced. Now I am (inevitably) using MorphOS since almost 10 months and everyday it impresses me more.
Speak about missed opportunities. |
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| Posted by Troels Ersking on 22-Sep-2003 11:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Eva):
Every other site I know of would have banned people like you Eva.
I fail to see the reasoning behind your posts here, is it something personal you have against the people involved with OS4?
Or is it just that you have to much spare time (or no job at all..)?
I really wish that moderators here would wake up and give a yellow card to all the people flaming away like you do, quickly followed by a red if .
And back to the subject: Not to impressive but proof that the concept works and isn't that far from completion. Keep up the good work Hyperion and shut up Eva or at least stop repeating yourself over and over and ov.... |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Sep-2003 11:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Lando):
> Even without JIT and with a 68k gfx system, it should be way faster than that on a 933Mhz G4. Even my A4000 030@25Mhz with mediator/voodoo3 was way faster than what I saw on those videos, but it was nice to see it in action anyway.
Thats strange, Lando, my Amiga 4000 with mediator/voodoo3 and *060@50Mhz* solid resizes ReAction windows about the same speed as that video. I don't know how you managed to solid resize ReAction windows faster on your 030@25Mhz than I do on my significantly faster machine...
*sigh* |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Sep-2003 11:09 GMT | People just don't seem to understand that this was just one major step in the project, not the final product.
Reasons have been told why it appears to be so slow, perfectly good ones may I add. Ok so this scraps the old "we only have one chance to make a first impression".. this wasn't it, but still it is a major step.
Next show and demonstration should tell much more than this. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 49 (Bill Hoggett):
Oh come on, that's not fair. She's really amusing ;) |
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| Posted by Olegil on 22-Sep-2003 11:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Heh, anyone seen the release date for Longhorn?
Was supposed to be "2004", then in May it became "2005", then in September it became "we have no clue, really".
If we can see a release of OS4 for CSPPC within the next month or so, and for AmigaOne before christmas I will most certainly not complain. He who laughs last is either slow on the uptake or the actual winner. We shall see ;-) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:15 GMT | It seems a lot of people just don't get it. Actually getting OS4 to boot on the AmigaONE is a HUGE step forward, regardless of whether its running a slow, kludged, hack of a graphics system.
But then please carry on slagging of OS4/Hyperion etc etc, it's really quite hilarious to watch.
@Fabio
I notice you're not condeming, but sticking up for Eva?! Now is that because you're the same nationality, or because you both run MorphOS?! ;-)
Ian |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 65 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Sep-2003 11:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Fabio Alemagna):
I stand by that comment, i usually don't resort to making such calls, but considering whom we are talking about it would benefit us all.
She'd be here less, and in the end her constant whining and bitching might be abit more diverse
Cheers |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Sep-2003 11:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (Peter Gordon):
Also, factor in that the ReAction windows I'm solid resizing on my A4000 are mostly 4 colours, without fancy gradients etc. I'd say it wasn't doing too bad considering the method in which this demonstration was running. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 67 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Lando):
Hmm strange... I have A1200 with 060 50Mhz, mediator and voodoo3 3000. Solid move and resize are not faster on my computer than what they are in those videos. Solid move and resize are unusable slow in everyday use. How is it possible that in your computer it's faster ? OK I have only A1200, but I have 060 and you 030... So ? |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 68 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Mike Bouma):
> It's not,
Right, what to reply to that? You must have been behind me everytime I used UAE with AOS3.5 under linux on my Duron@700Mhz, right?
No point in arguing. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 69 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (hooligan/dcs):
wery well sayd. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 70 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Olegil):
> Heh, anyone seen the release date for Longhorn?
Ehehm... Comparing AOS4 with Longhorn? *rolls eyes* |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 71 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 70 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, that wasn't his point and I think you know that.
But any excuse to get away from the issue at hand (i.e. OS4 is booting on the AmigaOne now, without any legacy hardware attached) I suppose.
Ian |
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| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
> I notice you're not condeming, but sticking up for Eva?!
Why should I "condemn" someone who condemns herself already? No point in that, really. However, I condemn every childish reply to Eva's posts. Feeding the trolls, with even more trolling comments is, in my opinion, no less, perhaps even more, condemnable.
> Now is that because you're the same nationality, or because you both run
> MorphOS?! ;-)
I don't run MOS, and it's not for nationality reasons that I condemnd people's trolling. |
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| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (Amon_Re):
> I stand by that comment, i usually don't resort to making such calls, but
> considering whom we are talking about it would benefit us all.
What would benefit us all is stop feeding the trolls. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 74 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
> Fabio, that wasn't his point and I think you know that.
No, sorry, but if you say that was not his point, then I really don't know what it is. I thought that the point was that if even MS can delay the release of Longhorn, then so can Hyperion with AOS4. But we're literally comparing apples with oranges here, as no one would even pretend that AOS4 has the same complexity (and the same amout of bloatware and bugs to fix and things like that) as Longhorn has.
> But any excuse to get away from the issue at hand (i.e. OS4 is booting on the
> AmigaOne now, without any legacy hardware attached) I suppose.
Excuse me? AOS4 (please, don't remove the 'A') is now booting on the AONE, and that is surprising because...? I must say that I'd expected it to boot on the AONE much earlier than that, but in the end booting on the AONE is really that big achievement? I dunno, it must be me, but I was taking that thing for granted.
Ian |
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| Posted by Eva on 22-Sep-2003 11:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Fabio Alemagna):
:D |
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| Posted by Hagge on 22-Sep-2003 11:34 GMT | the mp4 files is also mirrored on
http://hem.bredband.net/johkru/stuff/
if the above should be slow for some weird reason.
If that location is slow aswell it's between you and my ISP :/ |
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| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Ian
Oops, that slipped there. Sorry. |
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| Posted by Kronos on 22-Sep-2003 11:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
>I don't think 1-2 years is much. I think it's nothing when compared to
>amount of work they have done. 2 years is nothing when you are developing
>OS. And always can happens something which change your plans.
Yeah,sure,but why was everybody called a troll (or worse) who just said that
during the last ~2 years ?
OS-developing doestake time,and you can't take shortcuts (unless you are
prepared to take the price for it).That's something that was true when 68k-
modules were called "allmost done", when some some obscure JIT-benches were
hyped and it is now.
What I see here is something comparable somewhere in between MOS0.4 and 0.8
(Cologne 01). It has less native modules than 0.4,but does run on new HW like
0.8 did. It has some more fancy stuff than 0.4 (maybe even 0.8) but they didn't
show a JIT like it was in Cologne.
Before someone gets nervous: No I did not say that it will take another 2 years
to reach something like MOS1.4 (they should have it easier),but rushing it out
in just a weeks will surely end in either a beta, or in design-errors.
@Olegil
Make that Christmas for the CSPPC-version and I may actually believe it. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2003 11:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (Fabio Alemagna):
@Fabio
I see, so if people didn't reply to Eva she wouldn't post such bullshit?! It must be my fault for telling her to stop trolling then obviously - and there's me thinking it was actually her fault for being such a clueless fool! Sorry Eva! I apologise for causing you to say those things! </sarcasm>
-
And are you really trying to be that stubborn and opaque that you can't see the point is that PROJECT RELEASE DATES (ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY) are commonly subject to huge changes, even when the project is as well funded as Longhorn?!
Whilst OS4 is not as you put it as "complex" as Longhorn, there is a hell of a lot less people working on it, and a hell of a lot less money going into it, so I personally am thrilled that the OS4 team have got this far before the end of the year (as many MANY people predicted they wouldn't). If you can't see that this is a very good thing, then I'm not sure there's any hope for you.
Sorry if I seem to be being rude, but I can't stand when people dry and dumb down this fantastic achievment - we have the OFFICIAL, ORIGINAL AmigaOS, or at least an evolution of it, running on non-legacy MODERN PPC HARDWARE! Hello people - this is an historical step! :-D
One last thing, you call Amon_Re childish, but then go on to say "please do not leave the A off OS4". Are you saying you were unaware of what OS i was talking about? Or were you deliberately being pedantic to quench this superiority complex you seem to have aquired recently? OR, were you just trying to throw in anything to cloud over the actual issue/topic of the thread (a favourite tactic of yours I see)?
Ian |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 11:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Fabio Alemagna):
@ Fabio Alemagna
>>> Your computr must be severly crippled
>> It's not,
> Right, what to reply to that? You must have been behind me everytime I used
> UAE with AOS3.5 under linux on my Duron@700Mhz, right?
LOL, I thought that what I meant was pretty obvious. :)
My desktop PC is not crippled and neither is my P3-powered laptop. :) |
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| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-Sep-2003 11:52 GMT | With debug output etc I find it really impossible to say anything
about speed at this stage. Yes, it seems quite clear that OS4 68k emu
is a lot slower than that of MOS (both JIT and non-JIT) but on todays
hardware this still shouldn't make a really noticeable difference in
this kind of test.
Getting something to boot on the A1 is an achievement. Congrats for
that. But it seems clear now that nothing except a few OS components
were demoed. No apps, nothing. This worries me much more than sluggish
performance of this obviously rather "quick job" demo.
Well.. nearly a year ago I offered a bet that OS4 wouldn't be released
before christmas 2003. Nobody accepted. If someone would like to take
it up now, my offer still stands..
(see end of thread,
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1036247235&category=news&start=1&50 ) |
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| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 11:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Mike Bouma):
> LOL, I thought that what I meant was pretty obvious. :)
No, if you quote the wrong way. I made two statements in my post, and if you don't quote correctly I take it as you replied to the latest one.
> My desktop PC is not crippled and neither is my P3-powered laptop. :)
Then, what to say, it's my computer which is super fast, despite sporting a much less performing HW. Or, alternatively, one of us is lying. |
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| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-Sep-2003 11:55 GMT | Just to make my point clearer.. we've seen this kind of demo of
several OS'es over the years. Anyone remember p-OS? Hopefully, the OS4
team have done a lot more work than is visible, but.. we'll see. |
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| Posted by Bernie Meyer on 22-Sep-2003 12:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Actually, it's quite unlikely that the kind of emulation has anything to do with slow solid window movement.*If* the solid window move is done by the graphics card's blitter, then the CPU is pretty much not involved at all.However, if it is *not* done by the graphics card's blitter, then the CPU typically needs to *read* from graphics memory. And *that* is slow as hell, no matter how fast the (emulated) CPU is.It is quite likely that the P96 drivers shown were barely-functional, as-long-as-it-shows-our-stuff-on-screen-who-cares kind of quick hacks which fail to properly support all the blitter modes required by P96 for fast screen updates. *Especially* for solid window moves, P96 requires quite elaborate blitter support, which is *not* something you write and debug in a couple of hours.Let's just hope that the SNAP architecture provides sufficiently flexible APIs to allow those kinds of blitter ops to be done through SciTech's drivers. |
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| Posted by Lando on 22-Sep-2003 12:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (Peter Gordon):
Hi, well I can't comment on resizing as I wasn't using opaque resize on the A4k, but I mean actually the redrawing and the response time seemed very slow in those videos compared to how I remember the 4000. No offence intended, it was just the impression I got.
That said, it's been about a year since I had the A4k/Mediator, and I was only using it with an 030 for a few weeks as I got a CSPPC/060 soon afterwards. Maybe my expectations were too high, or I've been spoiled by using MorphOS and it's affected my memory of what 3.9 was like on an A4k/030.
Anyway, like I said, it's still early days, and I genuinely hope Hyperion manage to sort out the problems. |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 12:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 82 (Fabio Alemagna):
@ Fabio Alemagna
> No, if you quote the wrong way
To re-quote myself:
"It's not, else I would notice this while using other software as well. My system is well configured"
I was clearly not talking about you, but I was talking about me. ;)
> Then, what to say, it's my computer which is super fast, despite sporting a
> much less performing HW. Or, alternatively, one of us is lying.
I don't think there are only need to be two options, just like we don't only see black and white colors. Let's assume that we both state is the truth, then likely the difference must be caused by differences in OS and emulator versions. For instance I use WinUAE with WinXP and you use Linux/UAE, you use AmigaOS3.5 and I use AmigaOS3.9-2. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Sep-2003 12:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 82 (Fabio Alemagna):
I will stand with Fabio in that one, my sister had been using UAE on the PC I
use right now, which is a 700MHz Celeron, before UAE JiT was released. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 89 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 12:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 86 (Mike Bouma):
Some small changes:
I don't think there only need to be two options, just like we don't only see black and white colors. Let's assume that we both state the truth. :) Then it's likely that the differences are caused by the OS and the emulator. For instance I use WinUAE in combination with WinXP and you use Linux/UAE Also you use AmigaOS3.5 and I use AmigaOS3.9-2. |
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| Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 22-Sep-2003 12:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Jürgen Schober):
>One thing one could do very quickly is patching workbench (or intuition) to do >always do smart refresh. If you've a lot mem, that would speed up things >significantly.
LOL. Could you please learn how refreshing works before trying to brainwash people here? Smartrefresh can only speed things up when you have very few windows on screen and none of them are covering each other. Once you get more windows (>10 big windows) smart refresh becomes really slow because you need to do a lot of syncing with offscreen smart bitmaps and screen display. This involves plenty of reads from graphics card memory which is always slow (you can check this easily by comparing gfx mem read and write speed tests).
Anyway... smart won't help you at all when opaque resizing windows, it will only slow down things A LOT because there's no clipping when refreshing window contents and the covered parts of a window will have to be redrawn to smart bitmap. |
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| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 12:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 84 (Bernie Meyer):
> However, if it is *not* done by the graphics card's blitter, then the CPU
> typically needs to *read* from graphics memory. And *that* is slow as hell, no
> matter how fast the (emulated) CPU is.
Ever tried AROS with its vesa (or even VGA16!!) driver? Quite fast, I must say :)
The problem is that AOS' region handling functions are quite slow, with quadratical complexity, and if they have not been improved, and if they are even emulated, then simply moving windows around is quite slow, let alone moving them solidly. |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 12:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@ Alkis Tsapanidis
> I will stand with Fabio in that one
I am so surprized. :-o Eva would you like to stand with Fabio as well? ;-) |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 93 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bernie Meyer on 22-Sep-2003 12:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Mike Bouma):
Are you sure you have the "CPU emulation" control (or some such) set correctly? There are settings like "A500 speed", "fastest possible" and so on.These behave somehow differently (and at times quite counterintuitively) depending on whether JIT is activated or not. So playing around with them (even if it feels stupid) can make a world of change.Also, for a long time there was (and quite possibly still is) some issue with enabling sound --- not that emulating sound takes a lot of time (it doesn't), but rather that you end up with two separate views of "time"... one from the CPU cycle counter, the other from the rate at which the sound card consumes samples. These two views are certain to not agree 100%, and depending on which way they disgreed, the emulation could run fine or slow to a crawl. I added a fix for that in UAE-JIT; It might be that that fix has made it into WinUAE, but was tagged as JIT-related and gets disabled when JIT is switched off.Just speculating, of course --- it's been a very very very long time since I last ran WinUAE :) |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 22-Sep-2003 12:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Johan Rönnblom):
You should have squeezed more mr.Cox.. he was -> <- this close to lose the money :)
Admitting I was a bit too optimistic about the release month aswell.. but hey if we ever meet, you can do my lotto-coupon! |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 95 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 12:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 92 (Mike Bouma):
> I am so surprized. :-o Eva would you like to stand with Fabio as well? ;-)
Pretty childish of you, Mike. You have already 3 people who tell you that UAE is quite usable even with static emulation on pretty old machines, you are the only one telling us that it's not so.
Draw your conclusions. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 96 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 12:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Ever tried AROS with its vesa
I tried a floppy demo some months ago and it was pretty sluggish, even while being bare bones (sub-OS3.1 like)...
Maybe there have been some major improvements. I will download the latest version. |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 97 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 12:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (Mike Bouma):
> I tried a floppy demo some months ago and it was pretty sluggish, even while
> being bare bones (sub-OS3.1 like)...
How surprising! :) AROS has absolutely the fastest VGA driver I've ever used, if you call it sluggish... |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 98 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mike Bouma on 22-Sep-2003 12:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 95 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Pretty childish of you, Mike.
What would the world be like without our sense of humour. :) |
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| See AmigaOS4 in action : Comment 99 of 269 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Sep-2003 12:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 98 (Mike Bouma):
> What would the world be like without our sense of humour. :)
Without YOUR sense of humor, you mean? Surely a much better place? |
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| Posted by Bernie Meyer on 22-Sep-2003 12:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Fabio Alemagna):
No, Fabio, I have gone one better --- I have seen for myself what a difference it makes whether you implement CopyRectNoMaskComplete in a P96 driver or not :)I don't know how AROS works its screen, and whether there is any reading from graphics memory involved --- but I *do* know how P96 does things, and from first hand experience, I can tell you that it's the missing blitter functions that cause problems.Furthermore, in P96, *no* blitter support (as in your VESA-driver example) actually is less problematic than *partial* blitter support. With no support at all, it's clear that any bitmaps should be kept in main memory as much as possible. With partial support, *some* bitmaps should be kept in graphics memory, and *some* in main memory --- and it's impossible for P96 to tell which is which. So you end up with some in graphics memory that should be in main memory, and thus have the CPU read from graphics memory. |
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