18-Apr-2024 23:51 GMT.		 UNDER CONSTRUCTION
Anonymous, there are 146 items in your selection (but only 96 shown due to limitation) [1 - 50] [51 - 100] [101 - 146]
[News] Another (not so) short report from Pianeta AmigaANN.lu
Posted on 22-Sep-2003 21:58 GMT by Andrea Maniero146 comments
View flat
View list
I was in Empoli yesterday, and I thought to do a report after I come home. If you're interested in it, you can... First impressions.
Well, the fact that we found a lot of place to park the car just in front of the usual event site in Empoli was something "disappointing", to start with. Probably this year's edition had the lowest number of attenders in 7 years. In 2002 there were more people than the year before, and I was hoping for the continuation of this trend. Dunno about Saturday, surely on Sunday it was disappointingly empty...

AmigaOne and AmigaOS4.
They were designed to be the kings of the show. Actually, the organization was focused on this two products, and everyone was really curious about them. The big new, which was confirmed just Friday night, was that we would have been able to see AmigaOS4 on an AmigaOne board! Really, you could feel the excitement and enthusiasm.
Well, AOS4 was shown on a G4@933MHz AmigaOne board at Soft3 stand. The Frieden bros were able to boot into WB just Wednesday, therefore you can understand the presence of the usual glitches that hit every young software. Overall the impression wasn't very positive, though: I'm not mentioning the bugs, I said I can live with them, I'm saying that it felt really sluggish, and we are talking about a 933MHz CPU. OK, graphics.library was still in 68k, as well as the gfx driver (the Prometheus driver was used). But I was told that JIT emulation was used... I couldn't believe it (because I've used it on various PCs, with UAE, which is emulating the Amiga original chipset in addition, and on similarly specced machines performance are at least one order of magnitude better), so I asked more than once to different people. Anyway, it seems that system routines still use the interpreted emulator, while only the voxel demo used Petunia JIT engine. But I gathered this information today, not at the show (so anyone reporting differently can't be blamed, yesterday I was under the same impression)! Anyway, a 040 with an RTG system and a gfx board (any gfx board) would have been faster, and so would have been UAE with a 500MHz CPU, even using interpreted emulation...
But I don't think you could expect much more from the A1 version, considering the hurry in which they prepared it in order not to miss the show. What really surprised me, in a negative way, was the classic PPC version. Even this one was really slow on moving and redrawing windows, or opening them (you could count the icons while they appeared)... and you couldn't do much more with it. There wasn't much software installed, and even many OS components (USB stack, AmigaInput) were present only under the form of an icon: a double click on it caused exactly nothing (and I red on some italian sites I was not the only one to experience this). I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that when me and someone else tried them, well, nothing happened. In different moments of the show. I would have expected that at least the CS version was demoed with quite a lot of programs installed: I know WUP support isn't there yet, but I couldn't try 68k programs as well. After all we are told that Petunia has been integrated: why weren't we shown the compatibility?
The AmigaOne: well, there were half a dozen runnig Linux and MOL, in various configurations, but this isn't really what I'm looking for at an Amiga show, so I'll pass...

Pegasos and MorphOS.
Michele 'miky060' Magliocca and Elena Novaretti were showing off their Pegasoses, with the aid of Sebastian and Bertrand (AKA Frodon) who brought two additional machines from Paris. The two Genesi machines were normally configured, with MOS1.4 (someone was hinting about the fact that they might have had some newer files installed, though) and Ambient. And they were accessible to anyone to try. Michele had DOpus Magellan configured as "Work...", ehm, "Ambient Replacement", while Elena had her own mix with the original WB3.9 (guess she's the only one in the world) on show, and she was showing some High Quality prints of her fractals as well, as usual.
Those systems weren't fast: they were *damn* fast. They almost reacted before you clicked on something. I was impressed because I didn't think they could accelerate last year version this much. I sat down in front of a Genesi machine and played for 1:15'h with it. No crashes. Last year it would have rebooted every 5 minutes if you were lucky. Tried FxPaint Lite, FxScan Lite, Pagestream 4 68k (JIT is fast), VoyagerPPC, APDF, MPlayer (nice overlay support on the Radeons means realtime scaling without crippling performances), Kaya, one of the WinAmp clones (note: I didn't have to worry about the fact that the .exe was 68k, MOS, PUP or WOS at all - in fact I don't know what version I was using), MysticView with 1+MBytes .jpgs and more I don't remember... As for the entertaining side, I played a bit with the Knights and Merchants demo (I know I could pass the whole day with this, as I did in the past with The Settlers - really nice!) and Software Tycoon (when exiting I noted that the version I used - labeled PPC - was not the Pegasos one - labeled Pegasos, strangely enough - so I used the PUP or WOS one without noticing: so much for the transparency). MAME supported overlay as well, and ran very well. I tried Quake2. When I switched the resolution to 1024*768 a guy on my back said: "It's software only, it can't handle it!". Then, when I started the game, and I was playing it at something like 30 or more FPS apparently (no glitches, no slowdowns...), he turned his back and went from were he arrived (the AmigaOne stand...) with his tail between his legs: I'd be curious to know whom he was. Anyway, I was as impressed as him and the people on my back: SW renderer on a 600MHz machine? Astounting work, Bigfoot (I'm supposing it was his port)!
I had a brief chat with Frodon about the status of Radeon 3d acceleration status. Guess what? "When it's done!". I woder why I keep asking questions I already know the answer to. Nice chat and nice guy nevertheless. If I understood right, I gathered the information they are working on a driver to let accelerated programs run on unsupported gfx boards (a sort of wrapper). I might have understood it wrong, but it would be a nice idea. There was something I didn't like with them, oh yes: WipeOut 2097, two Mawi demos and a strange thing called glquakemos were all installed on these two machines: but a requester kept saying something on the lines of "No right Rave3D driver installed". Next time bring at least a VooDoo equipped machine! Altough it seems, reading ZioAok report, that at some point someone had the chance to see them. Unlucky me, then.

The "rest".
As usual, the biggest booth was the VirtualWorks one. They had quite a lot of hardware and software on sale as usual - and that CW Mk3 looks really tempting for my Pentium IV. Maybe one of these days... They had a lot of A1s on sale: really nice packaging! Sadly this year the stand seemed less crowded than in the past, people are in the now common "wait state".
There was Soft3 which was showing not only AOS4, but also a C-One board: nice piece of hardware, really sweet, something everyone agreed, for one time in this community. Jurgen Schober was there as well.
The Italian BeOS user group was present this year as well, and they attended the show in the past editions, too.
Other presences were Darkage (who were apparently giving away t-shirts and CDs: obviously I missed them!), Ikir Sector (an italian news site with forum), cip060 (an italian user who has always shown his own 'monster' A1200 at past PA editions), Morrigan Development (a Mac developer, with some background on Digital Photography, Video Authoring and so on...) and POP COMPUTERS (who had some old and not so old HW on sale - not necessarily all Amiga related). There was also the usual second hand market desk... but it wasn't as good as in the past, to say the least.
The italian printed magazine (subscription only) BitPlane was present as well. They were selling back jussues and the latest, the eight. I took mine there, so I won't have to wait for the magazine to appear in the postbox.

Conclusions.
It was sad to see the situation of the Amiga community this year. It's shrinking, probably, and there's a lot of hatred in this moment. Everyone seems to have made up his own mind: and it wasn't nice to see some people that didn't even give a try to MOS because "it can't be Amiga". But, honestly, although I haven't bought any of the new HW yet, I have seen what I like more. Actually I saw it at PA 2001, and it convinced me at PA 2002. I was there to change my mind, eventually, but I didn't see anything that could do. Actually, what I saw reinforced my beliefs.
So I won't give any conclusion myself. But I went to Empoli with my father and a friend. My father wasn't at PA since the 2000 edition, and lately he's been using only WinXP and WinUAE. He doesn't follow any Amiga related news site. But he was curious about AOS4. He came out quite convinced of buying a Pegasos instead... If it might mean something. The other friend, well, doesn't even have an Internet connection, so he knows nothing about the hatred community of today. But at the end of the day he was wondering why everyone is waiting for AOS4 on an HW that costs almost like two PegasosII... and why AOS4 can't run on a Pegasos when it'll be ready. And why waiting at all at the moment. It is possible that I influenced them. But unlikely, since I spent most of the time playing myself, not speaking with them...

Disclaimer: English is not my native language. So I beg you pardon in advance for any sintax/grammar error I might have made. Forgive me.
Disclaimer2: I expressed my opinions, I reported what I saw. It's as simple as that. I didn't want to be inflammatory at all.

Kind regards,
Andrea 'guruman' Maniero
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 51 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Sep-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
> Andrea does but his friends don't. He said it himself that he didn't tell them
> anything about the system, therefore I really doubt they could make a
> well-informed comparison between the AmigaOne at the show and a Pegasos.

And why would an occasional customer need to be "well-informed"? He just goes there, sees what is available and decides. That's the typical scenario, and I don't see why would anyone with a grain of salt in his head want to buy an unfinished product unless he were loyal to the brand.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 52 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 23-Sep-2003 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Eva):
> dangerous are his (and his entourage) nazi-style actions

EVA, I have met him a few times did you ???

It is patethic to read something about him, esspecially 'nazi style'.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 53 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Sep-2003 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Gabriele Favrin):
Poing, I hope that one day you will post here on ANN what is the truth about CAM, Bouma, his dogs and all the lowlevel moral in the Hyperion marketing.
Really we can't continue to wait shows to convince people that someone in Hyper, Amigaworld and AmigaInc continue to repeat FALSE things.

Os4 is a great project, but ACTUALLY it will be NO "released in two months" as Ben Hermanns declared in November 2001
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 54 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Sep-2003 10:33 GMT
Mike Bouma: Um. So, according to you, people shouldn't write show
reports or reviews unless they are trusted AInc-supporters?

People who prefer something else clearly seem to be disqualified. And
I've also heard a lot of complaints about people who aren't convinced
by either solution (like Christian Kemp or AdmV), that they would be
"biased". So it seems to me that you consider "non-biased" to be the
same as "loyal AInc supporter".
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 55 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Sep-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Jürgen Schober):
Jürgen Schober wrote:
> BTW: OS4 supports 2 platforms, MOS doesn't (officially).

Sorry. You'll have to choose.

Either MOS supports 1 platform, and OS4 *zero*. That's if we count
what's publicly available.

Or you can say that MOS supports 2 platforms, and OS4 one. That's if
we count what exists and works to some degree. Of course, it's pretty
well known that the level of "some degree" is much higher for MOS
here, but let's be nice.

But you seem to compare the reality of MOS with your dreams for OS4.
And you don't seem to be the only one..
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 56 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by hairy on 23-Sep-2003 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Andrea Maniero):
>> You expect?
> Yes I expect that.
> expect (THINK): "to think or believe something will happen, or someone will
> arrive"

Good luck then. I thought I saw an index finger of yours pointed, kinda "uncle sam" style, with a boing ball theme on the hat.


> Amiga does not own the brandname/tradename of "Amiga" in relation to people.
> But it does in relation to computers and operating systems.

Thanks God, there are no trademarks in relation to people's friendship... yet :)
Oh, and my "peggy", she's friendly enough to be called amiga ;-)
Here people call "scotch" every adhesive tape, and "bostik" nearly any other kind of glue, even when asking at a shop. No complains from the copyright owners so far. Oh, the cruel price of success!


>> I keep on calling "window" each one of my windows, regardeless of the brand
>> and type.
> The "Windows" trademark is similar although a little more troublesome as the
> term is also used and common in relation to operating systems.

I meant real windows, not from os desktop :)
Still, I don't see any difference. Suggest AInc a klingon name for their next venture, nobody (on earth :) will ever want to steal that.


> Just look up how trademark/brandname laws actually work.

Why?!? I just said I'm not interested in the official brand name!
However, if that makes you happy, I will call my pegasos "Amica" and replace the boing ball sticker with a blue one ;-D


Ciao
Alessandro
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 57 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (bennymee):
>It is patethic to read something about him, esspecially 'nazi style'.

I agree. Ben Hermans just is part of a market and he need to obey to rules
decided by others (Amiga Inc entourage). He is not direct responsible of the
shit is Amiga market. Surely, he overreacts and sometimes
forgets to respect netiquette (at least...), but words like
nazi-style are not correct. He is just trying to keep alive his
software house (no OS4=switch to Mac/Win market and die).
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 58 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Sep-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Kjetil):
>MorphOS looking implement taskbased emulation just like AmigaOS4.0 What's next, will you also claim AOne had x86 BIOS code emulation first? :D
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 59 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Sep-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Mike Bouma):
Mike,
Are you stirring troubles again ?
Maybe I should do it the Amigaworld.net way and set to abuse all your posts.
In my opinion you don't do a good job for Hyperion here as people will obviously see how hypocrit you are.

"I do believe that the guy had unrealistic expectations considering the short time AmigaOS4 was quickly ported onto the AmigaOne for this demonstration. "

This is what happens when you claim that your OS has been 95% finished for at leat one year.
This is what I said to Ben many times. Lying about the schedule make a lot of people angry, get the dealers broke and so on. At the end it did put a lot of people against an honorable effort.
If they had the decency to say that porting the OS to PPC would at least take two years people would not bash them on their release dates.

Mike, where is your promise to leave ANN.LU and only come back if you were personaly attacked ?

It looks that you have failed SEVERAL times to honor your promise.

Mike, are you still on the AmigaINC secret communication control mailing list ?
(I can have genuine questions too).
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 60 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Sep-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Gabriele Favrin):
Of course the Pegasos is not an Amiga, you might be sad enough for it to be your only "amiga".

Jeez get a life guys.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 61 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Sep-2003 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Johan Rönnblom):
"People who prefer something else clearly seem to be disqualified. And
I've also heard a lot of complaints about people who aren't convinced
by either solution (like Christian Kemp or AdmV), that they would be
"biased". So it seems to me that you consider "non-biased" to be the
same as "loyal AInc supporter". "

It is much worse than that. Christian has been publicaly accused by Mike on this board accused of being bribbed by Genesi.
As soon as I posted/moderated MorphOS news I have been classified as the "enemy".

Either you are objective and are treated as the enemy or you get into the wonderfull world of the AmigaInc cult where Mike acts as a guru.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 62 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Andrea Maniero):
@ Andrea Maniero

> No, Mike. The point is that it was clear from my report that I didn't own a
> Pegasos, and you tried to twist facts to suit your tastes.

You didn't make that clear and who cares? But why do you make false accusations like these? I did not twist facts, I mistakenly thought you owned a Pegasos because of your prominent presence at some support forums and MOS websites.

> But I would have been dishonest, to say the least, to say that I was
> impressed by the speed of a machine I own.

IMO not at all, but IMO it would be strange not to show your system to your Amiga interested friends. (Thus my genuine question originally)

> I didn't have ANYTHING to hide, countrary to your beliefs.

You attacked me. So it looked as if you were offended by the fact that I thought you owned a Pegasos board. And I didn't understand why exactly at the time.

> Only, I didn't think I would have deserved the intervention of Mike B. in
> person! Believe me, it's an honour! :)

LOL

> Well, at the beginning it seemed that you held a genuine Amiga bias (towards
> every Amiga-related product).

I almost owned a Pegasos. LOL

It was not the product I have difficulty with, it's more the intolerance, extremism shown and general behaviours shoen by some of Genesi's staff and a good portion of its fanbase.

> That said, can we please return to the topic... I mean, if there's something
> wrong in it, or you don't share some of my POWs, let's just discuss them.

I believe most points have already been covered in earlier ANN threads. IMO there's no need to re-formulate them here. But obviously I don't agree with many of your POWs stated in this article.

What I find "funny" is that you were so touchy about my small mistake and considered it to be an insult. Man, you don't visit ANN that often, do you? If you consider that to be an insult than you have to check out the things stated by other ANN regulars. You will probably get a heartattack. LOL
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 63 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Christophe Decanini):
@ Christophe Decanini

> It is much worse than that. Christian has been publicaly accused by Mike on
> this board accused of being bribbed by Genesi.

More false accusations. Since it was public, how about quoting me Christophe?
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 64 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Christophe Decanini):
> Are you stirring troubles again ?

I behave conform to ANN's policy. I don't call people names, unlike some other people posting here you fail to act on as a moderator.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 65 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Mike Bouma):
>I behave conform to ANN's policy. I don't call people names, unlike some other people posting here you fail to act on as a moderator.

In behalf of part of the italian Amiga community I hereby ask your
public escuses to "Zio aok": (which reportage WASN'T false at all)
and that you stop your trolling.

You hit the wrong people and you'll have to stop, or
a lot more troubles for Amiga Inc image will come from
this.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 66 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 23-Sep-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Mike Bouma):
>> No, Mike. The point is that it was clear from my report that I didn't own a
>> Pegasos, and you tried to twist facts to suit your tastes.
>
> You didn't make that clear and who cares? But why do you make false
> accusations like these? I did not twist facts, I mistakenly thought you owned
> a Pegasos because of your prominent presence at some support forums and MOS
> websites.

But I did make it clear! What part of the sentence "although I haven't bought any of the new HW yet" you don't get? You can check, it's on the last paragraph of the report (Conclusions.), and, since ANN doesn't have an edit function, has always been there. :)

> You attacked me.

Well, I see it differently. I wrote a report, where I didn't mention you at all, and I tried to be careful to be as little inflammatory as I could. Then I got two comments of people who appreciated it (BTW, thanks guys!). The third was yours, and it was you calling me a liar (because I *clearly* stated I don't own a Pegasos and you ask me why I don't show it to my friend, giving the impression you know I have one). Maybe I overreacted, maybe you were genuinely asking me that question. OK, but next time try reading the news item you are commenting a bit more carefully! :)
Oh, and don't jump into conclusions just because a quick search on google gives the result that someone posts on a public MOS ML.

> What I find "funny" is that you were so touchy about my small mistake and
> considered it to be an insult.

I explained why I thought it was a cheap attempt at trolling. And I'm touchy with anyone questioning my good faith without knowing me. If I shall feel sorry for this, then I do.

Kind regards,
Andrea
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 67 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Gabriele Favrin):
@ Gabriele Favrin

> In behalf of part of the italian Amiga community I hereby ask your
> public escuses to "Zio aok": (which reportage WASN'T false at all)
> and that you stop your trolling.

LOL you think you represent the "Italian Amiga Community". :)

Get real. I still have no idea who ZioAok is and thus the believes stated within that other thread still stands. (even more so)

I also know that this report was originally a reply to that article, instead of a seperate report.

> You hit the wrong people and you'll have to stop, or
> a lot more troubles for Amiga Inc image will come from
> this.

I am not tied to Amiga Inc or any other computer related company. I do what I believe is good and justifiable. :)
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 68 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Sep-2003 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Mike Bouma):
>>It was not the product I have difficulty with, it's more the intolerance, extremism shown and general behaviours shoen by some of Genesi's staff and a good portion of its fanbase.

You have a Bronze face Bouma. You that are the Censor king, the wise guy that call "wrong" all people that don't believe in AmigaInc and Hyperion path.
Stay silence. This is not the time for the new nazist-style propaganda, done with FALSE assuptions, FALSE words, ... epurations ... mail attacks (an THEN pubblic attacks) versus equilibrated m8s like ANN moderators ...
Bouma, bouma, bouma. Don't transform Eva the troll in a clear speacking person, otherwise you will be kicked out really soon by CAM, Hyperion works and Aos4 developer group.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 69 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Andrea Maniero):
@ Andrea Maniero

> What part of the sentence "although I haven't bought any of the new HW yet"
> you don't get? You can check, it's on the last paragraph of the report
> (Conclusions.), and, since ANN doesn't have an edit function, has always
> been there. :)

I overlooked that part. :(

A friendly notice would IMO have been enough.... I am not Superman you know? I also make mistakes like everyone else!
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 70 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 23-Sep-2003 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Eva):
> Bouma, bouma, bouma. Don't transform Eva the troll in a clear speacking
> person, otherwise you will be kicked out really soon by CAM, Hyperion works
> and Aos4 developer group.

No, he won't. Other people will, actually. Just pay a visit to Gabriele 'Poing' Favrin home page, and read what happened after Pianeta Amiga. I did it, because I can do my math, and 1+1=2. And, guess what, I found what I was looking for. Then, you'll agree with me. Mike is here to stay!

Gabriele, I'm sorry for what happened to you just because you sent a couple of comments here. I feel sorry also for Mike, but that's a completely different story.

Kind regards,
Andrea
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 71 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Mike Bouma):
> In behalf of part of the italian Amiga community I hereby ask your
> public escuses to "Zio aok": (which reportage WASN'T false at all)
> and that you stop your trolling.

>LOL you think you represent the "Italian Amiga Community". :)

A part of it for sure, more than you reptesent the worst
side of Amiga Inc. You don't know me and you don't know zio
aok. And so? ou soeak against people you don't know?

>Get real. I still have no idea who ZioAok is and thus the
>believes stated within that other thread still stands. (even
>more so)

You didn't know Andrea as well, so you searched on Google
and offended him., because you can't do anything but offend.
Or censorship in your censorship portal.

>I also know that this report was originally a reply to that
>article, instead of a seperate report.

And so?

> You hit the wrong people and you'll have to stop, or
> a lot more troubles for Amiga Inc image will come from
> this.
>I am not tied to Amiga Inc or any other computer related
>company. I do what I believe is good and justifiable. :)

So Amigaworld is not the Amiga endorsed official portal?

You are a liar. A troll and a liar and we all have enough
of you damaging Amiga Inc and OS4 sales.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 72 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Sep-2003 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Mike Bouma):
Well, so you can't understand, Bouma.
Zio, Poing, Gunnman, Paochi, Mx3, me .. WE ARE THE AMIGA COMMUNITY, my dear pitfull liar. If you continue on this way I have to write directly to Mr. F. Moss and Ben Hermanns to advice them of your trolling actions.
You continues to be a racist and someone that can't accept someone with different opinions than you.
Anyway I'm really happy: we can see the real face of AmgaInc and Hyperion marketing.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 73 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Sep-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Eva):
or ... someone that is destroyng Os4 and Hyperion from within ... sure Bouma words are not a good spot for Hyperion and Ainc.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 74 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Gabriele Favrin):
@ Gabriele Favrin

If I understand your webesite correctly you were kicked off the beta-tester team or something and that you accuse me of contacting Ben Hermans to do so, is that correct?

If so I would kindly like to ask you to remove such accusations as I haven't contacted Ben Hermans since at least a few weeks.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 75 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Mike Bouma):
>If I understand your webesite correctly you were kicked off
>the beta-tester team or something and that you accuse me of
>contacting Ben Hermans to do so, is that correct?

I've been kicked because I've asked you to stop offending
people. Exactly for this post:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1064170331&category=forum&number=22#comment
which is very similar to the recent request you got from the
moderators of this site.

Now, I don't know hoe much italian you understand and
it's not my problem. Soon there will be an english version
(*) and you'll be able to read it in your own language.

Now, it's interesting your game: you throw shit to Hermans,
first saying that you are not tied to Amiga Inc (we all
beleive it...) than that you didn't ask anything, while it's
well know that a close friend of you did the same request
for months in the past. So what happened? Hermans decided
that no one can ask Mike Bouma to behave correctly and it's
all his fault? You know it's not. You know WHO repeatedly
asked him to kick me in the past, so don't play stupid games
with me. I know the kind of person you are. Almost anyone
here know.

And don't even tell me again to change content of MY OWN
SITE (which I pay for). It's not your censorship portal,
it's my own place. Wait for the english translation or learn
italian and re-read the post before 'kindly ask' anything.

(*) english translation will take some time because a friend
of me, who helped me in the past and who is also an OS4
betatester, FEARED that he could have problems helping me in
this case. This is the situation you and your friend
created. Fears between people who aren't even able to speak
or be seen near 'bad guys'.

And this is Amiga?
Ohm Jay, forgive them!
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 76 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Gabriele Favrin):
@ Gabriele Favrin

> You don't know me and you don't know zio
> aok.

But I do know ANN and all its anonymous trolls and hoaxes. The only thing someone actually known within the Amiga community had to do was to state that he knew this person actually exists. => And thus giving the report IMO a minimum amount of creditability. You aren't an ANN regular are you?

> You didn't know Andrea as well, so you searched on Google
> and offended him., because you can't do anything but offend.

False I knew Andrea by name. I did not try to offend him, I mistakely thought he owned a Pegasos. There's a clear difference.

>> I am not tied to Amiga Inc or any other computer related
>> company. I do what I believe is good and justifiable. :)

> So Amigaworld is not the Amiga endorsed official portal?

NO, not officially. AmigaWorld is independent but Eyetech sponsors the website and AmigaWorld hosts official AmigaOne support forums.

> You are a liar. A troll and a liar and we all have enough
> of you damaging Amiga Inc and OS4 sales.

You are pretty quick to call other people liars.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 77 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Mike Bouma):
@ Mike Bouma

> You don't know me and you don't know zio
> aok.
> But I do know ANN and all its anonymous trolls and hoaxes.

And so?
When you read a comment you need to kno the life of who
posts it?

You haven't the right to tell that something is false just
because you don't know who posted it. Whoever makes you
think the opposite is fooling you.

>amount of creditability. You aren't an ANN regular are you?

So I'm not a good source as well?

>> You didn't know Andrea as well, so you searched on Google
>> and offended him., because you can't do anything but offend.
>False I knew Andrea by name. I did not try to offend him, I
>mistakely thought he owned a Pegasos. There's a clear
>difference.

We all read your post and the way you wrote it.
No need to play with words.

>> I am not tied to Amiga Inc or any other computer related
>> company. I do what I believe is good and justifiable. :)
>> So Amigaworld is not the Amiga endorsed official portal?
>NO, not officially. AmigaWorld is independent but Eyetech sponsors the website and AmigaWorld hosts official AmigaOne support forums.

Not officially, but...
... it hosts only positive discussions about Amiga
... it has replaced amiga.org (after the mess created by your close friend)
... it hosts official forums
... it hosts fleecy moss Q&A

But obviously it's not 'officially' an Amiga Inc site,
as well as you aren't tied to Amiga, while you are in their
ACCM thing (go on, answer to Decanini on this...)
yoiu support them and you spend your free time offending
people who criticize them.

>> You are a liar. A troll and a liar and we all have enough
>> of you damaging Amiga Inc and OS4 sales.
>You are pretty quick to call other people

I could say more, but differently than you I like to tell
only the truth, trying to not offend people. I honestly
think you are acting as a troll (it's what you say about
others, no?) and you are a liar. It's my opinion after
reading you for some time. And it's a common opinion here (but
this is another story).
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 78 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Sep-2003 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Mike Bouma):
Good Bouma let's continue, so I will post really good quotes to Ben and Fleccy.
You are using your hands to kill yourself and increase the hate in Hyperion and AI. Good job.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 79 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Gabriele Favrin):
@ Gabriele Favrin

> Now, it's interesting your game: you throw shit to Hermans,
> first saying that you are not tied to Amiga Inc (we all
> beleive it...)

Well, I am not. I have friendly communications with various people. In the past I also had friendly communications with some people working for Genesi.

> than that you didn't ask anything, while it's
> well know that a close friend of you did the same request
> for months in the past.

I am not familiar with the issues between you and others.

> So what happened? Hermans decided that no one can ask Mike Bouma to behave
> correctly and it's all his fault?

I guess that any issues between you, Ben and others will probably be AmigaOS4 related, instead of "Mike Bouma" related, considering you were a beta-tester.

> And don't even tell me again to change content of MY OWN
> SITE (which I pay for). It's not your censorship portal,
> it's my own place. Wait for the english translation or learn
> italian and re-read the post before 'kindly ask' anything.

A made a request, if what I gathered from your message is correct. I will try harder to understand everything correctly.

> Fears between people who aren't even able to speak
> or be seen near 'bad guys'.

I doubt if you conformed to Hyperion's beta-tester policy you would have had nothing to worry about.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 80 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Gabriele Favrin):
> You haven't the right to tell that something is false just
> because you don't know who posted it. Whoever makes you
> think the opposite is fooling you.

I stated my opinion and like everyone else is allowed to do so. It's not that I stated "I know this is false, please someone remove this report".

> So I'm not a good source as well?

You are. Also if you say this person is genuine this adds creditability and perspective.

> Not officially, but...
> ... it hosts only positive discussions about Amiga

Helllo? AmigaWorld is an *Amiga community* portal. We are just a pro-Amiga as BeNews was pro BeOS or that MorphOS-News is pro MorphOS.

> ... it hosts fleecy moss Q&A

Well if Bill Buck would be asked by MorphOS-News to do Q&A sessions, interviews or whatever and he agrees I have no problem with this. Amiga wants to communicate with the community and vice versa. What's wrong with that?

> I could say more, but differently than you I like to tell
> only the truth, trying to not offend people.

IMO you are doing a bad job at it.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 81 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Mike Bouma):
@ Gabriele Favrin

> Now, it's interesting your game: you throw shit to Hermans,
> first saying that you are not tied to Amiga Inc (we all
> beleive it...)
>Well, I am not. I have friendly communications with various
>people. In the past I also had friendly communications with
>some people working for Genesi.

AmigaWorld.net and ACCM prove that this statement is not
fully true.

> So what happened? Hermans decided that no one can ask Mike Bouma to behave
> correctly and it's all his fault?
> I guess that any issues between you, Ben and others will
> probably be AmigaOS4 related, instead of "Mike Bouma"
> related, considering you were a beta-tester.

Ben Hermans on the betatest ML said that he kicked me out
because of this post:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1064170331&category=forum&number=22#comment
especially because I called Amiworld "a censorship portal".

He said he warned me again and again about not attack Amiga
related things, interests, partners and people.

By asking you to behave correctly and not offend people
(once again, something that anyone here -especially
moderators- are asking to you) I've attacked Amiga
interests.

Curious, since you say you are not tied to Amiga and
AmigaWorld is not OFFICIALLY an Amiga endorsed portal.

Are you trying to make us beleive it's all his fault?
Sorry, it doesn't work. I know Amiga Inc entourage (eg. the
founder of ACCM) and who always tried to kick me in the
past. You are very well connected to that entourage.

>A made a request, if what I gathered from your message is
>correct. I will try harder to understand everything
>correctly.

You are so tied to censorship that you always think about
removing things, aren't you? ;-) (joking, have a good read
and feel free to write me your comments as many people
are doing).

> Fears between people who aren't even able to speak
> or be seen near 'bad guys'.
> I doubt if you conformed to Hyperion's beta-tester policy
> you would have had nothing to worry about.

Are you saying I'm a liar? Are you saying fears by my friend
are excessive?

I can underatand him, can't you?

You see, as I wrote in my site, I'm not really sad for the
kick. I already live without OS4 since it doesn't suit my
needs (it's a beta product and I mainly use Amiga as a
router/mail server in my work environment so I was going to
quit anyway from betatesting, as many friends already know).

What I'm sad for is the behavioues. I find that Amiga
market/community with people like you isn't a serious and
correct place anymore.

If one can't even ask someone to stop offending people,
there is something really bad going on. And I don't want to
be part of it. Nor I want to have friends of me fearing to
work with me because they can be damaged as well by
'the Amiga guys'.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 82 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Sep-2003 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Mike Bouma):
> Helllo? AmigaWorld is an *Amiga community* portal. We are just a pro-Amiga as
> BeNews was pro BeOS or that MorphOS-News is pro MorphOS.

Also amiga.org is an *Amiga community* portal, and also ANN: do you see only pro-AmigaInc posts there and here? Besides, are you saying that a *something community* portal requires people to talk only about good things related to *something*? If so, then please modify the policy of your site.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 83 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Gabriele Favrin):
> He said he warned me again and again about not attack Amiga
> related things, interests, partners and people.

If correct and you ignored his requests, then I fully understand that you cannot be a betatester.

> Curious, since you say you are not tied to Amiga and
> AmigaWorld is not OFFICIALLY an Amiga endorsed portal.

No not officially. AmigaWorld is an effort by Amiga ethusiast. It's roots come from a friendly (no-flaming policy) IRC channel.

> Are you trying to make us beleive it's all his fault?

Fault? You mean Ben Hermans?

It's his responsability to decide who can be a beta-tester and who can not.

> Sorry, it doesn't work. I know Amiga Inc entourage (eg. the
> founder of ACCM) and who always tried to kick me in the
> past. You are very well connected to that entourage.

Haven't heard from this person for a very long time.

>> I doubt if you conformed to Hyperion's beta-tester policy
>> you would have had nothing to worry about.

> Are you saying I'm a liar? Are you saying fears by my friend
> are excessive?

I believe that if he does nothing anti-Amiga/Hyperion or their partners, he will have nothing to "worry" about. If he participates in some anti war directed against the people he agreed with a special confidential relationship, that's another story.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 84 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Fabio Alemagna):
@ Fabio Alemagna

> Also amiga.org is an *Amiga community* portal, and also ANN: do you see only
> pro-AmigaInc posts there and here?

I don't consider Gary_C to be a pro-Amiga person. But he behaves properly: No name calling or otherwise offensive behaviour.

Atari.org is full of pro-Atari postings...... What a surprise! ;)
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 85 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Sep-2003 13:48 GMT
Bouma,
You are very hypocrite.

You say that you have no involvment with AmigaINC but you are lying.
Participating on their private communication control list is a serious evidence of this fact. Can you deny that Mike or will you continue to ignore it ?

As for Amigaworld you clearly had the intention when leaving Amiga.org to get as many people as you could with you to another site where Amiga could communicate without getting any critics.

You criticized ANN and Amiga.org but you use them as much as possible to link to Amigaworld.net.

Thanks to you today Hyperion may have lost a few potential customers.

Be carefull Mike, when adepts leave a sect they are usualy very offensive against it.

And Mike, please stick to your promises: Leave ANN
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 86 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Sep-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Mike Bouma):
And so? You can insult everyone that doesn't agree with you? Or better telling in private and in public that this is Hyperion "credo".
We will se how long you will be so loved by Aos4 italian developers and betatesters.
And how many time will pass before some key Aos4 developer will stop to work on Os4 thx to your profanities and racist insults.
Our italian saw well the true state of Aos4 and reported it. Simply facts, not insults or personal statements.
I'm waiting the next Benealux Show: so you will call all Netherland amigans "wrong" when they will posted some reports form the show telling "Aos4 was far from finished."
Good, continue on this path. It's the same path of Medhi ALi and his men in 1994, and we saw what was the end of Commodore.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 87 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Mike Bouma):
In Reply to Comment 81:
>> He said he warned me again and again about not attack Amiga
>> related things, interests, partners and people.
>If correct and you ignored his requests, then I fully
>understand that you cannot be a betatester.

By asking you to stop offending people I've attacked
Amiga related things, interests, partners or people?

> No not officially. AmigaWorld is an effort by Amiga
> ethusiast. It's roots come from a friendly (no-flaming
> policy) IRC channel.

So since you can't flame in your portal and IRC channel, you
come and flame here? ;-)

Come to our IRC channel. I'm sure a lot of people (eg. EVA)
will be happy to talk with you. I promise, I will not let
anyone ban or censor you. ;-)

>> Are you trying to make us beleive it's all his fault?
> Fault? You mean Ben Hermans?
> It's his responsability to decide who can be a beta-tester
> and who can not.

He said me that in the past 'that person' and even McEwen
asked him to kick me because I criticized the way AmigaDE
thing was developed (btw, I was I was registered as AmigaDE
developer in behalf of Amitrix, but it seems that you can't
criticize Amiga Inc if you are connected in any way with
them - I think to all those poor developers who had to pay
for SDK and got nothing. And they can't even protest :)

At that time he didn't. Today, as I asked you to stop
offending and defined AmigaWorld a censorship portal he
did. Don't you find this a bit strange?

Oh yes, you find, but you can't admit.

> I believe that if he does nothing anti-Amiga/Hyperion or
> their partners, he will have nothing to "worry" about.

So, asking you to not offend people is
something anti-Amiga/Hyperion or their partners?

You said so and it's what is happened.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 88 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Christophe Decanini):
@ Christophe Decanini

> You say that you have no involvment with AmigaINC but you are lying.
> Participating on their private communication control list is a serious
> evidence of this fact. Can you deny that Mike or will you continue to ignore
> it ?

The AACM list was a commity feedback mailing list I was asked to join (just like Wayne), it was set up by a single Amiga-supporting user. Various other Amiga community figures were asked to join. Nothing more and nothing less.

> As for Amigaworld you clearly had the intention when leaving Amiga.org to
> get as many people as you could with you to another site where Amiga could
> communicate without getting any critics.

I never left Amiga.org, I was banned by Wayne for criticizing Bill Buck.

> You criticized ANN and Amiga.org but you use them as much as possible to
> link to Amigaworld.net.

I have faith in both Kees Witteveen and Christian Kemp. I have known them for years. It's unfortunate how many of the users misbehaved in the past, I am pretty sure they would agree.

> Thanks to you today Hyperion may have lost a few potential customers.

I doubt it. If someone would leave the Amiga community for a little mistake like I made today on ANN (someone who I believed owned a Pegasos), IMO they weren't at all serious about supporting the effort at all in the first place.

> And Mike, please stick to your promises: Leave ANN

If Christian asks me to, I will. He never did.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 89 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Mike Bouma):
>The AACM list was a commity feedback mailing list I was
>asked to join (just like Wayne), it was set up by a single
>Amiga-supporting user. Various other Amiga community figures
>were asked to join. Nothing more and nothing less.

ACCM has been setup by Luca Diana on request of Bill cEwen.
Members ehere there to rapresent (no one know why...) Amiga
community. They should have helped Amiga to improve their PR
with the community.

So you said another unaccurate thing. I hardly know how can
we trust you and why you get offendd if someone calls you a
liar.

Wish to talk about Bill Mc Ewen describing on ACCM the
financial situation of Amiga after thendic (or whoever was)
lawsuits?

You can't say you aren't tied to Amiga because you are, as
is anyone who runs a portal like AmigaWorld or is in a list
were reserved informations are discussed.

>I never left Amiga.org, I was banned by Wayne for criticizing Bill Buck.

And Wayne has been banned from ACCM because he criticised
Ben Hermans. So what?

>> Thanks to you today Hyperion may have lost a few potential customers.
> I doubt it. If someone would leave the Amiga community for
> a little mistake like I made today on ANN (someone who I

Who don't think like you is not serious.
Yes, we know...

>> And Mike, please stick to your promises: Leave ANN
>If Christian asks me to, I will. He never did.

You don't even respect your own promises????
Oh, boy...


Btw, me and Eva (and other amiga users) are still waiting
you on amigaita. Come and be our evening guest star! ;-)
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 90 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Sep-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Mike Bouma):
"The AACM list was a commity feedback mailing list I was asked to join (just like Wayne), it was set up by a single Amiga-supporting user. Various other Amiga community figures were asked to join. Nothing more and nothing less. "

This list was set up by someone who wanted to join AmigaInc for a marketing/communication job. I am speaking about someone having phone calls with McEwen on a regular basis.
The member of the lists were some top AmigaInc executives plus Hyperion and Eyetech. What was discussed was how PR should be made.

It was not a simple list of a regular supporter with some community figures as you are implying. Twisting facts again Mike ?

Wayne was kicked out of the group when he started to not agreing on certain things. It looks that this behaviour of kicking out people is still a trend today as we have seen today with Gabrielle.

"> As for Amigaworld you clearly had the intention when leaving Amiga.org to
> get as many people as you could with you to another site where Amiga could
> communicate without getting any critics.
I never left Amiga.org, I was banned by Wayne for criticizing Bill Buck. "

You have been banned for the same reasons you have been asked to leave ANN: because you are stirring up big troubles with people not thinking your way.

If someone comes up with an objective report that does not suit your agenda you accuse him of being an enemy.

"> You criticized ANN and Amiga.org but you use them as much as possible to
> link to Amigaworld.net.

I have faith in both Kees Witteveen and Christian Kemp. I have known them for years. It's unfortunate how many of the users misbehaved in the past, I am pretty sure they would agree. "

I'm pretty sure that they would agree with me that Mike Bouma is spreading a big mess on our sites.
I don't think they have any faith in you despite the fact you like to do the butt kisser whenever you need a favor.

"> Thanks to you today Hyperion may have lost a few potential customers.
I doubt it. If someone would leave the Amiga community for a little mistake like I made today on ANN (someone who I believed owned a Pegasos), IMO they weren't at all serious about supporting the effort at all in the first place. "

I doubt that OS4 beta testers we not supporting the effort in the first place.
There is a big difference between answering the guy that what he saw is slow/buggy because of x,y technical reason like Hans Joerg or Thomas did and you accusing the poster to be the evil enemy.

I have no problem with these posts that were very informative. I have problems with your insane behaviour accusing people, the way you twist facts or simply lie.

"> And Mike, please stick to your promises: Leave ANN

If Christian asks me to, I will. He never did. "

Looks like you missed it, like the part in the report that was saying that Andre had no Pegasos ... You are just lying one more time Mike.

It is not Christian behaviour to ask people to leave ANN. He did it very few times, and one time was with you.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 91 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Sep-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
My definition of an Amiga:

A computer that boots directly into an OS that runs Amiga programs, such as Pagestream (Amiga version), ImageFX, Scala, Hollywood, IBrowse, Draw Studio, Brilliance, MakeCD, etc etc.

By this definition, neither the AmigaOne+AOS4 nor the Pegasos+MorphOS is an Amiga, but they are equally near to being one. Good close imitations. Both come from teams largely drawn from the Amiga community.

Amithlon is not quite so close as it boots first into a hidden Linux and then into AmigaOS.

No doubt others have other definitions.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 92 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Gabriele Favrin):
> ACCM has been setup by Luca Diana on request of Bill cEwen.

I am unfamiliar with the exact details for setting up the list. A varierty of topics have been discussed to help the Amiga community, the platform, etc.

> You can't say you aren't tied to Amiga because you are, as
> is anyone who runs a portal like AmigaWorld

If David wants to change the website to a teletubbie website, he can. Although I guess the sponsors would not be have about it. ;)

> or is in a list were reserved informations are discussed.

There is was a gentleman's agreement to not leak out things discussed on the mailinglist. There were no NDAs involved.

> And Wayne has been banned from ACCM because he criticised
> Ben Hermans. So what?

False. But I will not go into specifics.

> You don't even respect your own promises????
> Oh, boy...

I stated I would leave if the moderators asked me to. Only Christophe did. However Christian is the owner.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 93 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Mike Bouma):
>> ACCM has been setup by Luca Diana on request of Bill cEwen.
>I am unfamiliar with the exact details for setting up the
>list. A varierty of topics have been discussed to help the
>Amiga community, the platform, etc.

And so?
Does this change facts reported by me and Decanini?

>> You can't say you aren't tied to Amiga because you are, as
>> is anyone who runs a portal like AmigaWorld
> If David wants to change the website to a teletubbie
> website, he can. Although I guess the sponsors would not be
> have about it. ;)

What childish answer is this?

>> or is in a list were reserved informations are discussed.
> There is was a gentleman's agreement to not leak out
> things discussed on the mailinglist. There were no NDAs
> involved.

Do you know that most of OS4 betatester haven't a signed NDA
and they are there with a gentleman agreement to not spread
anything they learn?

Does this change the nature of OS4 betalist?
Does this make OS4 betalist an open list or a simple
community list?

>> And Wayne has been banned from ACCM because he criticised
>> Ben Hermans. So what?
> False. But I will not go into specifics.

Other ACCM members said so.

>> You don't even respect your own promises????
>> Oh, boy...
>I stated I would leave if the moderators asked me to. Only
> Christophe did. However Christian is the owner.

"if the owner",
"if the moderators"...

Sigh.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 94 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Christophe Decanini):
> It is not Christian behaviour to ask people to leave ANN.

I am tired. One posting from Christian to this thread or email, requesting me to leave and I will. At least if I don't get personally attacked/accused here on ANN.

We ill see..
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 95 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Sep-2003 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Gabriele Favrin):
Gabriele,

I see that Mike Bouma continues to avoid answering your questions (surprise!)

How about a clarification: Did Hermans (or someone else from Hyperion or affiliates) explicitly state that the reason for your dismissal was your disagreements with Mike Bouma?

If that's true, it's a goddamn outrage and bloody front page stuff!

Since you've already been kicked out, I guess you could just as well copy'n'paste what you were told verbatim right here.

*******
Mike, stop being such a fscking hypocrite with that "Amiga Community Portal" verbal EMETIC you throw around. Rewrite the terms&conditions for your little cesspool site to say exactly what you mean with "Amiga Community": products licenced to or by a company called Amiga, Inc.

Do it. What's the problem? It's the truth. Why pussyfoot around that fact? We all know just how things work over there, why not let new visitors know what it is before they register?

And yes, I distinctly remember C Kemp saying that you're no longer welcome here, and IIRC that was after your allegations of him and ANN being "bribed" by a company that you don't happen to like. You said that ANN and other sites that allow discussion were below your standards, and ran away.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 96 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele on 23-Sep-2003 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
>I see that Mike Bouma continues to avoid answering your
>questions (surprise!)

He tried to say both that he is not tied to Amiga and that I
didn't respected OS4 betatest policy. The two things can't
live together. but he doesn't understand this.

>How about a clarification: Did Hermans (or someone else
>from Hyperion or affiliates) explicitly state that the
>reason for your dismissal was your disagreements with Mike
>Bouma?

The exact reason was that I've been removed after my
"outburst" (Ben Herman's words) on ANN, and he refered to
this post:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1064170331&category=forum&number=22#comment
He also mentioned my definition of AmigaWorld as a
censorship portal. It's strange he was so worried if AWNet
is just a site like others.

>Since you've already been kicked out, I guess you could
>just as well copy'n'paste what you were told verbatim right
>here.

This is what happened:
I've been removed without any explanation (I've asked for
it, but initially no one explained me the reason). Instead
Ben Hermans wrote on betatest ML that he dropped me from
the list showing an ANN URL (that was even wrong) and
talking about my comments to Bouma and his portal. All of
this after having taken care of kick me out so I couldn't
even defend myself.

As said, if this is Amiga community... I even prefer
Windows one. Microsoft is what we know but there are
better people to work with in a true market, snot in this
pathetic game of who has the power to censorship.

Again: I've been kicked out because I asked Mike Bouma to
stop offend people and I called his site a 'censorship
portal'. At least this is the prove of how much he is tied
to Amiga and this shows that he tried to lie to us today.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 97 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 23-Sep-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Gabriele):
Previous post has been send without the necessary data
so I didn't showed ip as trusted user. I repost it.

>I see that Mike Bouma continues to avoid answering your
>questions (surprise!)

He tried to say both that he is not tied to Amiga and that I
didn't respected OS4 betatest policy. The two things can't
live together. but he doesn't understand this.

>How about a clarification: Did Hermans (or someone else
>from Hyperion or affiliates) explicitly state that the
>reason for your dismissal was your disagreements with Mike
>Bouma?

The exact reason was that I've been removed after my
"outburst" (Ben Herman's words) on ANN, and he refered to
this post:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1064170331&category=forum&number=22#comment
He also mentioned my definition of AmigaWorld as a
censorship portal. It's strange he was so worried if AWNet
is just a site like others.

>Since you've already been kicked out, I guess you could
>just as well copy'n'paste what you were told verbatim right
>here.

This is what happened:
I've been removed without any explanation (I've asked for
it, but initially no one explained me the reason). Instead
Ben Hermans wrote on betatest ML that he dropped me from
the list showing an ANN URL (that was even wrong) and
talking about my comments to Bouma and his portal. All of
this after having taken care of kick me out so I couldn't
even defend myself.

As said, if this is Amiga community... I even prefer
Windows one. Microsoft is what we know but there are
better people to work with in a true market, snot in this
pathetic game of who has the power to censorship.

Again: I've been kicked out because I asked Mike Bouma to
stop offend people and I called his site a 'censorship
portal'. At least this is the prove of how much he is tied
to Amiga and this shows that he tried to lie to us today.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 98 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 23-Sep-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
**************************************************************
Mike, stop being such a fscking hypocrite with that "Amiga Community Portal" verbal EMETIC you throw around. Rewrite the terms&conditions for your little cesspool site to say exactly what you mean with "Amiga Community": products licenced to or by a company called Amiga, Inc.

Do it. What's the problem? It's the truth. Why pussyfoot around that fact? We all know just how things work over there, why not let new visitors know what it is before they register?

And yes, I distinctly remember C Kemp saying that you're no longer welcome here, and IIRC that was after your allegations of him and ANN being "bribed" by a company that you don't happen to like. You said that ANN and other sites that allow discussion were below your standards, and ran away.
**************************************************************

where did this comment come from and who wrote it ?
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 99 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Sep-2003 16:43 GMT
Probably my last message within this thread.

MorphOS-News, MorphOSZone and Amiga.org have official ties to Genesi. One more than the other, but they all have Genesi employees amongst their ranks. AmigaWorld is made up completely of Amiga enthusiasts.

AmigaWorld is purely an Amiga enthusiast website owned by DaveyD. If you don't understand such huge differences then I am sorry.
Another (not so) short report from Pianeta Amiga : Comment 100 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Sep-2003 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (catohagen):
> where did this comment come from and who wrote it ?

Where do you come from, and who are you?
Anonymous, there are 146 items in your selection (but only 96 shown due to limitation) [1 - 50] [51 - 100] [101 - 146]
Back to Top