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[News] OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready!ANN.lu
Posted on 25-Sep-2003 14:50 GMT by Raffaele25 comments
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Some news passed unnoticed: The OpenBeos bootloader for any Openfirmware computer PPC based, will be ready for the middle of October. You can read about it at: www.iscomputeron.com. Well, it is just in time for the launch of Pegasos II. Will we see Pegasos II with OpenBeos almost pretty soon?
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 1 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 25-Sep-2003 13:02 GMT
nice!
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 2 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 25-Sep-2003 13:13 GMT
...yes, imagine reading the MorphOS drive from OpenBeOS as it has AmigaFFS support!

R&B
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 3 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 25-Sep-2003 13:14 GMT
Sounds promising. It will be an interesting experience to compare it to MorphOS, Linux, MacOS on the same machine. Keep on working!
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 4 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 25-Sep-2003 13:14 GMT
Neat.. I like.
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 5 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 25-Sep-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
Ok.. but who in his/her right senses would use FFS/FFS2? Brr... gives me shivers.. :)
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 6 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 25-Sep-2003 13:20 GMT
On the article you can read:
<<He is planning a demo at the next BeGeistert, as he said: "I want to have the PPC version booting 'til BeGeistert".>>
Which is perfectly consistent with wht you can read in this short Pianeta Amiga report by the italian BeOS UG: http://iltuosistema.altervista.org/continua.html
The relevant part is: <<il Pegasos ha catalizzato il nostro interesse visto che tra meno di un mese al BeGeistert dovremmo assistere al primo boot di OpenBeOS sulla piattaforma Pegasos PPC.>>
The translation sounds like: the Pegasos gained our attention, since in less than one month at BeGeistert we shall assist to the first OpenBeOS boot on the Pegasos PPC platform.

Kind regards,
Andrea
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 7 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Megol on 25-Sep-2003 13:40 GMT
Okey this is nice but what use is a bootloader without a kernel to run things on? Almost nothing* is done on the OBOS kernel so that system will not run on _any_ platform anytime soon...

(* according to the information available to the public)
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 8 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
OpenBeOS does not have AmigaFFS support. It barely has a working BeFS implementation (last I looked there were so many serious bugs that even the primary developers don't use it).
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 9 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 14:18 GMT
My personal choice of interest on PegasosPPC is:

- MorphOS as first choice due the fact it belongs to it,
- Linux/BSD as second choice and most growing community,
- QNX/BeOS as most interesting MicroKernel+Desktop solution.

MacOS-X and AROS as nice things to keep an eye on from time to time. I don't think that MacOS-X will boot natively on Pegasos anytime soon nor that AROS will become a state of true usability due to slow development.

OpenBeOS is something I can't categorize anywhere. Even BeOS has hard times in the computer business to grab it's place somewhere. It's nice to see that these Operating Systems are being dealth with but they have basically NO influence in the computer business anymore and thus NO public relations value. You keep in your backhead that there are a bunch of Operating Systems that are ported to Pegasos but you also know that they are not even worth to throw an eye on.

MorphOS, Linux, QNX are true interesting solutions for Pegasos. Sadly the real BeOS is not being ported to is.
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 10 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 25-Sep-2003 14:19 GMT
▄bernice!
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 11 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by minator on 25-Sep-2003 15:04 GMT
>Almost nothing* is done on the OBOS kernel so that system will not
>run on _any_ platform anytime soon...
>
>(* according to the information available to the public)

Information available to the general public is apparantly wrong as the OBOS kernel was shown running at the last BeGeistert.
The OBOS kernel is based on NewOS.
What you may mean is the OBOS specific parts are hardly done which is rather more accurate.

>OpenBeOS does not have AmigaFFS support.

The OBOS *bootloader* does.

>It barely has a working BeFS implementation
>(last I looked there were so many serious bugs that even the primary developers don't use it).

Must have been a while ago as it's nearly reached stable now.

>It's nice to see that these Operating Systems are being dealth with but they have basically
>NO influence in the computer business anymore and thus NO public relations value.

The BeOS crowd is alive and well and still has considerable interest (read the recent slashdot story). Nobody knows the exact number but because it works on common PC hardware the number of users likely exceed the size of the entire Amiga community many times over.
(BeBits alone lists the number of downloads of FreeBe as over 1/4 of a million) ..and whats more it actually seems to be *growing*.

>You keep in your backhead that there are a bunch of Operating Systems that are ported
>to Pegasos but you also know that they are not even worth to throw an eye on.

You could have said that about Linux not that long ago.

>MorphOS, Linux, QNX are true interesting solutions for Pegasos. Sadly the real BeOS is
>not being ported to is.

That could change in the not too distant future...
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 12 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 25-Sep-2003 15:07 GMT
:-O

Cool! I allways liked BeOS ...
:-)
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 13 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 25-Sep-2003 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
> soon nor that AROS will become a state of true usability due to slow
> development.

It's hard to say when AROS will be booting as a minimal distrobution level. Michal has been banging away at it but he's currently seperated (by distance) from his Peg so things had to take a bit of a break. After speaking to him earlier today, I still have hopes of seeing it out in 03. Michal is working on his advanced degree so that takes a huge amount of his time up. He is a truely an amazing person.

Dammy
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 14 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 25-Sep-2003 15:40 GMT
"You could have said that about Linux not that long ago."

You can still say it today.

Regards,
Leo.
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 15 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 25-Sep-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
> Sadly the real BeOS is not being ported to is.

The real BeOS is pretty much dead. Even the Zeta release was a turd from what I read in all the reviews.
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 16 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Edit on 25-Sep-2003 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (T_Bone):
Developementwise, not userwise...
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 17 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (T_Bone):
Zeta still hasn't been released. Those were previews of a beta version. The latest official release deadline is that famous "some time this year (2003)"...

Depending on who you believe (should be familiar with this idea in the Amiga community) the beta was outdated and doesn't show all the amazing progress which has really been achieved. But then 12 months ago if you believed the same people Zeta was almost finished, just 4-6 weeks from shipping AND it had hardware 3D acceleration on the latest nVidia GeForce products...
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 18 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (minator):
"Must have been a while ago as it's nearly reached stable now."

Exactly. It's "nearly" stable. What's the use of a "nearly" stable filesystem? None whatsoever. The developers discovered that they have some serious and hard to fix problems, so they gave up and said "we'll come back to it later".

Go look at the OBFS discussion threads. They have FS corruption, they can't figure out what causes it, and when a user admits to having real data on his OBFS partition they laugh at him because that's a really _stupid_ thing to do.
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 19 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Anyone tried using maconlinux to boot MorphOS yet?
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 20 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Francois Prowse on 25-Sep-2003 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Yes - I've tried to boot MorphOS inside MOL and it don't work, not that I expected it to. I've mailed the MOl author regarding this and it sounds like it ain't going to happen anytime soon either. Perhaps when there is a Mac version of MorphOS releaseed.

FP
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 21 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbj°rn Barmen on 25-Sep-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Leo):
Any OS is worth throwing an eye at, you might learn something, scary huh?
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 22 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 25-Sep-2003 23:15 GMT
Rafaelle wrote:
> Some news passed unnoticed

Well, it's been on the Phoenix (http://phinixi.com) front page in small print for several days, but thanks for the additional mention.

As for the value of the OpenBeOS port for the Pegasos, at the very least it's worthwhile because it helps build critical mass for the platform in terms of developers, users, software and ideas. More specifically, this port has gotten a lot of attention among BeOS fans who, as mentioned, are alive and well. This translates into sales for Genesi and other companies, to be pragmatic, as well as giving a boost to intangibles like bringing (Open)BeOS back to its roots, which sounds good to a lot of people. For those of us who've wanted BeOS to continue in some form because of its inherent coolness, the Pegasos port is a great thing and could even roll energy back into the OpenBeOS project itself.

-- gary_c
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 23 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by magnetic on 26-Sep-2003 01:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (gary_c):
Good Point Gary C

This is indeed great news. The BeOS has a big following. (believe it or not) The Pegasos can breathe life into the OpenBeOS movement. The fact that the Peg out of the box will be able to have Morphos/Linux/BeOs/others is amazing! If you tie in all the niche markets like Amiga, BeOs, NetBSD, and others you begin to have a serious MOVEMENT! The Revolution Will Be Televised!

magnetic
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 24 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 26-Sep-2003 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (magnetic):
...just to add to all of that...:-)

The OpenBeOS Community and this serious and talented effort will further all PPC based development in direct and indirect ways. We have already seen the benefit of this kind of collaboration between OpenBeOS and MorphOS. It works!

R&B
OpenBeos Bootloader for Pegasos (and for any other Openfirmware Platform) is almost ready! : Comment 25 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 26-Sep-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (gary_c):
Mr. Gary_c wrote:

>Rafaelle wrote:
>> Some news passed unnoticed
>
>Well, it's been on the Phoenix (http://phinixi.com) front page in small print >for several days, but thanks for the additional mention.

It passded unnoticed on ANN...

;-)))))))

Ciao,

Raffaele
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