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Posted on 29-Sep-2003 11:29 GMT by Felix Schwarz53 comments
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Right from the start, IOSPIRIT's fxPAINT Lite, fxSCAN Lite and VHI Studio Lite were part of the Superbundles by Genesi. With the launch of our new website, we now offer every owner of the Superbundle rebates on our contributed software when upgrading to the full version.

Learn on our new Superbundle pages, how you can get a total rebate of up to 25,- EUR, what features are missing in the Lite versions and why an upgrade is worth every cent of it.

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Posted by bbrv on 29-Sep-2003 10:02 GMT
That is how it should work!!!

Felix has done an excellent job demonstrating how the SuperBundle works as a PARTNER to Developers. We are trying to get a platform, the Pegasos and MorphOS, off the ground. To do that there has to be THINGS for people to do with their computer. The Pegasos is a GREAT piece of engineering, but you can't eat it. :-D In other words, we need the DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY to help us make the Pegasos interesting. Likewise, the opportunity for the Development Community increases as more and more people buy a Pegasos (which they will because there is more and more COOL stuff to do). Genesi is not looking for something for nothing. We have paid considerable per unit license fees or ONE FLAT FEE to Developers like Felix to offer a sufficient package to Pegasos users to be able to reach a point of value where potential buyers say, "WOW! I get all that with the Pegasos?!!"

THEN, you can add to it all the other Operating Systems and their applications, etc., etc. :-D

The SuperBundle EVOLVES and PROGRESSIVELY will add more applications and improve the applications being offered.

All for one and one for all! :-)

That is the whole idea!

R&B
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Posted by krize on 29-Sep-2003 10:07 GMT
very nice stuff!!!!

looking better and better !!!!!
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Posted by AdmV on 29-Sep-2003 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bbrv):
One can only congratulate such efforts. Developers for too long have had little or no way of making a few £$ which is often what people would like to do for their efforts.

I think its only fair to comment seeing as I have taken you to task before.

Good work

AdmV
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2003 11:25 GMT
Hello Bill B.

I think the SuperBundle DESTROY the work of the Developers!
Why?

For the first time they get Money from you - nice Effect!
But all the Pegasos Users get the Super Bundle for free,so
everyone has a full or Lite Version!

So why need i buy the full Version?
For many Users is the Lite Version good enough to to they work!

So now Felix try to get some Users how will upgrade!
I think not many will do it!
(BTW. WHY Dis all the SuperBundle Users not buy the full version in the past?
The Software is a long time befor MorphOS for AmigaOS avaiable!)

If i have a Demo, or some times developers makes special offers for upgrades etc.
What do you think how many people use it?
Do you think you do something special here with your SuperBundle?

All the people who wants to buy the Software from Felix can do it without
a Super Bundle!

There are Demos etc. to test it,
and for Felix it would be better to get the FULL
Money for a sold Version.

If i get a SE Version perhaps from the Aminet CDs what do you think,
would i will buy the Full Version when i can do many thinks with the SE Version?

The only Winner is you!
Becuase you get goog AMIGA Software for your System!
The Developers get some money and than who will buy a full version?

Yes Iam not very happy with your SuperBundle it is a fake,nothing more!

Without the SuperBundle there is no reason to buy a Pegasos and the joke is
the MorphOS Users get no 100% MorphOS native Software they get AMIGA Software!
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Posted by Eva on 29-Sep-2003 11:33 GMT
Only one comment!

:D°°°
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Posted by Kronos on 29-Sep-2003 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
So, in short words, you call Felix and others stupid for accepting
the suber-bundle-deals ??

To be precise, I did buy fxScan, FxPaint and GoldED(aka MorphED) at full
price long before the SB started. I also own a copy of vhi-studio which
came with a used A4k (and both aren't really used). There is no way I
would have spend serious money on Birdieshot or Software-Tycoon, and I
don't think I wouldhave bought Feeble-Files at full price.
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Posted by Andreas Wolf on 29-Sep-2003 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Hello Olaf Köbnik of http://www.amiga-arena.de .
Why don't you use your real name?

;-)
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Posted by greenboy on 29-Sep-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
> Anon #3456 : All the people who wants to buy the Software from Felix can do it without a Super Bundle!

Maybe you have missed the point. The SuperBundle does not feature just Felix's IOSPIRIT software - it features software from a lot of developers, and will continue to broaden its scope. For example, we will soon add Pagestream Lite and many others. Developers and software publishers who participate win by having lisenced their software for the SuperBundle because they are guaranteed visibility, and are getting paid. They are assured visibility.

Users win because the distribution model makes it possible to sample and use a large variety of software for MorphOS while paying an extremely low entrance fee, and with titles that have both "light" and "pro" versions, are able to upgrade the titles they choose after having sampled them, and they haven't had to search around for software that has been prepared to run well on MorphOS. Thus, the users see the platform's software base broaden as the effects of that "one stop shopping" encourage other developers of placement, visibility, and consistent, enlightened platform growth and support policies.

Indeed, we are working toward BUILDING the market, and every developer participating feels that the All For One And One For All approach builds confidence in that market for the Pegasos platform - especially when they understand that the SuperBundle will continue to expand for the long term. Their risk of investment in an emerging platform is lessened, the weight having been shared by more shoulders. And the user sees that true commitment to a long term is being practiced by Genesi and its partners.

Make no mistake, this is only going to get bigger and bigger - and Pegasos users are going to be continually more happy as the software base for their platform broadens and matures, and achieves the visibility needed to encourage more ambitious (and new) development!
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Posted by Felix Schwarz on 29-Sep-2003 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Hi Anonymous,

of course, the market has become *very* tight lately, so *every* sale counts.

Before going into much detail, I just give you an example from the past: the Magic Pack from Commodore .. following your logic all contained titles would have been doomed to fail in sales because they were included. However, reality looked different :)

Or look at the software bundled with scanners, etc. in full or special versions .. yet the companies behind grow and still sell plenty of copies of the product as stand-alone version.

However, some more theory here:

In general, participating in a bundle means additional PR for the product and reaching a broader audience, that may not even have heard of your product before. Participating with a lite version means to deliver the user a limited version. If he is fine with what he is offered, he'll stick to the lite version and won't upgrade - unlikely he would have purchased the full version otherwise anyway if he needs so little of the functionality. Now, in contrast, if the user feels limited and he likes the application, he'll buy the full version.

So, thanks for sharing your concerns, but from my point of view they are not applicable here. Genesi and its partners are building a new market here and new users need an incentive to become a part of it. IMHO the Superbundle was one of the best things Genesi could do to achieve this goal.

Now, go to www.iospirit.de and make a purchase ;)

Best regards,

Felix Schwarz
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Andreas Wolf):
@Andreas Wolf

I know you do it for me! :-)

Yes Iam from the AMIGA ARENA and if somebody has a problem with my
opinion,i dont really care because it is not a crime to asked questions!

Andreas Wolf is a well know MorphOS User who have a big problem
with my opinion against GENESI!
(ups,i forgot here a some more well know MorphOS Users and Amiga Inc. haters!)

So he think he is cool,because he titled my name first on www.amiga-news.de
(My nick is C64)
and know here on ANN!
What is the problem with you guy?
Cant you accept other opinions or negative questions about your holy new System?

I can remember that you MorphOS people talked that you DONT need the AMIGA NAME
,so why is it important to know MY NAME?

Who Iam?

Iam a little Amiga User nothing more but i think here a some people who must have
many fear for my Site or my Work!

Andreas Wolf dont try to mess with me!
If you have the BALLS come to one of the AMIGA Shows in Germany and than
talk to me if you have a problem or write me a mail!

So and now you can boycott my site,write nasty things and bann me from this site
no problem for me!
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 29-Sep-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
In this case, the Lite versions are Lited so much it's pretty much necessary to upgrade if you're going to use them seriously.
I see it as a good chance to test the program, get used to it.. and if you think it's worth the upgrade you upgrade.

No serious user will use the Lite version of FXPaint. thats for sure.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 29-Sep-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
I wonder why Amiga ARENA makes special offers for MUIBase 1.7, a lottery that
offers fxscan and fxpaint or offers a free version of ArtEffect then....
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Posted by Amiga Arena on 29-Sep-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Felix Schwarz):
@Felix

Ok,for new Users i can understand it and belive in it what you say!
But at this time i see no new users on the pegaos!

I see only Amiga users and i think there is no reall amiga user who
dont know about your company or great software! :-)

ok,i wish you good look with the bundle and i would buy it,but you know
i dont have a pegaos! ;-)

Would anyone make me a present so i can buy the bundle? ;-))

Good luck to you all,the people who know me,knows that Iam not a Troll
or against Pegaos/MorphOS!

It is better to have 2 systems than nothing! :-)

Peace!
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 29-Sep-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
@AdmV

These days a developer would typically rather make ? than $ and £ :)
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 29-Sep-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Now that worked out nicely.. not :)
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Posted by Amiga Arena on 29-Sep-2003 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (David Scheibler):
@David

I do it for YOU the users! :-))

You cant get cool Amiga Software for a lower price in the hope
that you Buy it!

The developers do it for me!
I get nothing for the work i have etc.
The only winners are you and the developer!

So would you now complain at me that i make it for YOU possible?
Im a NON PROFIT Amiag Fan nothing more and i try to support the Amiga Base!

Is it so bad???

Oh,i forgot i dont support officiell MorphOS and now Iam the EVIL here?!

Please dont forget about some nice Software you can use today and in the
Future for MorphOS, I make it possible too!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Sep-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
@ Olaf Köbnik (or whatever)

Of course you can have whatever opinion you want about anything at all!
Take it easy mate! ;-)
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Sep-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amiga Arena):
> But at this time i see no new users on the pegaos!

But what about tomorrow? Do you think that Genesi is satisfied with 600-700 Pegasos sold, and will stop with that? No, the real money will be made in the future, and will come from customers outside this community. The "Super Bundle" is an effort for the future, and AFAIK it's only *beginning* to take shape at the moment. I like the Super Bundle idea!

:-)
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Posted by Kronos on 29-Sep-2003 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amiga Arena):
@Olaf

>,knows that Iam not a Troll

Than,why do you act like one ?

Don't you think that Felix,Dietmar and Michael (e.p.i.c.) know far better
than you what the state of the market is ? Don't you think they afre old
and smart enough to decided what best form them,all by them selves ?

Sorry, but your acting as "knight of the checkered table" doesn't serve
you, your choice of "Amiga" or the community as a whole. Casting such
insults from hiding behind "anonymous" is simply childish !

(and before someone ask,there is only one Kronos,no Sonork playing neutral,
and it ain't very hard to find who I am).
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Sep-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amiga Arena):
"Oh,i forgot i dont support officiell MorphOS and now Iam the EVIL here?!"

No, you are of course not, except being a bit paranoic here. He (as I understand) just tried to make up an analogy between the two. (SuperBundle and Amiga Arena)

Bundled Software usually means hard cash and free advertisement for the developer, and not on the contrary. IMHO
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Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
I disagree, this is common practice in the biz.

If you get a lite version, and you like the program, and if the full version is just 50 $ or so i buy it.

Cheers
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Sep-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Amon_Re):
@ Amon_Re

:-O

Wow! For once I AGREE with you on something! Just the other day I agreed with Kjetil on something too! Is the world changing?

;-)
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Posted by Amiga Arena on 29-Sep-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma

Thanks,Iam not angry or anything else,
but since the last Day "Andreas Wolf" attacks me on news
because for his it funny to cry out my nick names on www.amiga-news.de or
today here on ANN!

I think is it not important who Iam,If i dont asked questions like this
i get no answer! ;-)

So, i get in touch with Felix Schwarz and there is no problem!
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Posted by Olegil on 29-Sep-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Amon_Re):
Hehe, so if _I_ like it and the full version is only $50 _you_ will buy it?

Want to rephrase that? ;-)
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Posted by Amiga Arena on 29-Sep-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Kronos):
@Kronos

My english is not so good,you know me and if you like
you can contact me and write in german! ;-)
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Sep-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Amiga Arena):
" So, i get in touch with Felix Schwarz and there is no problem! "

Good to see all is settled in a civilised manner :)
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Posted by Amiga Arena on 29-Sep-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Emeric SH):
@EmericSh

Yes of course! :-)
I dont wanted to make some people angry here!
Why i dont write my name?
Iam too lazy and i think who cares about my name?
Iam not a importan person! ;-)
The important think is to get a true answers of the questions and if
the question is a little unpleasing,dont think i want to make stress here
or trolling!

I get my informations and opinions from you the useres and the developer
now i see that something is right or wrong what i was thinking first!

if all people would like a little be "openminded" we have less flame wars i think!
dont kill me if i have a question or dont say "i like everythink that company
x or y do"!

Iam always searching for answers to see something better or cleaner!
I need answers to have no prejudices!

But i dont like if some person here means to "pi** me on" because Iam not a
reall Genesi fan or anything else!

What would you do if someone cal lyour reall name and destroy your Nick Name?

is it fair?

Did i do something criminal?

have a nice day

regards Olaf K. - Amiga Arena
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Posted by catohagen on 29-Sep-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
> But what about tomorrow? Do you think that Genesi is satisfied with 600-700 >Pegasos sold, and will stop with that? No, the real money will be made in the >future, and will come from customers outside this community. The "Super Bundle" is >an effort for the future, and AFAIK it's only *beginning* to take shape at the >moment. I like the Super Bundle idea!

This is the part i'm looking forward too, but is anything happening ?
Theres been various shows around the world and Pegasos is presented well there,
but these shows doesn't attract alot of people. The effort of getting developers on the platform with offering cheap/discount on boards is all good
but I don't see much or any activity of new programs or ports.
Mplayer got ported and its working bloody fantastic, but I wouldn't reccomend
any friends i have to buy either Pegasos or AmigaOne because of lack of software. A friend of mine just bought a PC, but asked me first if he should get an "amiga" instead, but when i heard what he needed the computer for
(fancy digital camera, color ink printer for printing images and general playing
music and just browse around) i thinked yes but said no, because his digital
camera probably isnt supported and probably didnt exist printer driver to
his HP usb printer with lcd display in the front, old-standard webbrowsers++

We need more software to get ready for users outside this community, and
i'm thinking if all the money used to travel around the world on shows could be
spent instead to hire programmers to get the needed software onboard, maybe
things would be different ? Things are moving too slow...okay, there is a new
app comming here and there, wget gui and various linux distros start working but I think its moving too slow, both for morphos and amigaos.
Mozilla and other opensource browsers get ported to all kinds of new devices,
but here we can't even get it ported by paying someone?...This platform will stay as a hobbyist machine if not something drastic is done soon..

And I think this textform is too small, anyone vote for adjusting the width ? :)
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Sep-2003 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Amiga Arena):
"What would you do if someone cal lyour reall name and destroy your Nick Name?"

Szigeti Imre, at your service :) Yet, I think Emeric SH and Warface are more suitable and easier to recognize :) Not to mention most ppl know me by my nicks instead of my real name :)
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Sep-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Felix Schwarz):
"In general, participating in a bundle means additional PR for the product and reaching a broader audience, that may not even have heard of your product before. Participating with a lite version means to deliver the user a limited version."

Also, people are often nervous of trying a new type of program, in case it turns out to be difficult.
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Posted by Andreas Wolf on 29-Sep-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> I know you do it for me! :-)

I know, i'm very reliable ;-)
But then you better had included your name yourself in the first place so you wouldn't look that foolish now :-P

> Andreas Wolf is a well know MorphOS User

"Well known", haha, don't make a fool of yourself. Oops, you already did ;-)

> who have a big problem with my opinion against GENESI!

No, I just have a problem with your schizophrenia. Officially you (Amiga Arena) tell the people you have nothing against Genesi/Pegasos/MorphOS an inofficially and anonymously you attack them (not exactly in this thread where you showed some kind of reasoning).

> So he think he is cool,because he titled my name first on www.amiga-news.de
> (My nick is C64) and know here on ANN!

On amiga-news.de I really didn't know that it is a secret, as it was rather obvious who is the real person behind 'C64'. But now as I know of your fear of getting identified I find it rather amusing :-)

> What is the problem with you guy?

*You* ask *me* about my problem? I think you are the one who has a problem here. Or why is it that I ask a simple question and you get upset like this?

> Cant you accept other opinions or negative questions about your holy new System?

I didn't say one word about your opinion of the Superbundle. I just asked a simple question.

> I can remember that you MorphOS people talked that you DONT need the AMIGA
> NAME ,so why is it important to know MY NAME?

I don't think it's that important, but interesting.

> Andreas Wolf dont try to mess with me!

My knees are shivering :-P

> If you have the BALLS come to one of the AMIGA Shows in Germany and than
> talk to me if you have a problem

I see no reason to talk to you in person.

> or write me a mail!

I just answered the one you sent me.

> the people who know me,knows that Iam not a Troll or against Pegaos/MorphOS!

Depends on who you are, Olaf or one of his alter egos :-P

> but since the last Day "Andreas Wolf" attacks me on news because for his it
> funny to cry out my nick names on www.amiga-news.de or today here on ANN!

You call revealing your real name an attack? Maybe 'Olaf Köbnik' is a swear word in a certain language I don't know :-P

> What would you do if someone cal lyour reall name and destroy your Nick Name?

Utter nonsense. Calling one's real name does *not* 'destroy' his nick name. You don't seem to know what a nick name is for in the first place. Hint: nick names do also exist in real life.

> is it fair?

Is it unfair?

> Did i do something criminal?

I don't know, but you should know. If you did you should be sentenced.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Sep-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
"i'm thinking if all the money used to travel around the world on shows could be spent instead to hire programmers to get the needed software onboard, maybe
things would be different ?"

"[Mozilla] but here we can't even get it ported by paying someone?..."

Am I the only one seeing some contradiction there? :)

IMHO The more the developers the more programs and thus more users will be. And the more users there are, the more developers will pop up for the new market.

I think that the money is spent on both attracting developers (by SuperBundle and free boards) and users (by representating on all major and minor shows) is a diligent move.
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Posted by catohagen on 29-Sep-2003 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Emeric SH):
>IMHO The more the developers the more programs and thus more users will be. >And the more users there are, the more developers will pop up for the new market.

yes, good logic :)

>I think that the money is spent on both attracting developers (by SuperBundle >and free boards) and users (by representating on all major and minor shows) is a diligent move.

yes, ofcource
But how many 'outsiders' from any of those shows did buy one ?

Pegasos also have been covered in slashdot a few times, but there just seems
to be talk, "wow cool, a new ppc platform" or similar and forgets about it
and continues using their cheap x86 running linux or windows.

I think this community is even smaller than we think, 6-700 pegaos boards
sold and unknown number of amigaones sold, ofcource you can build STB's and
such systems to sell to Joe User, but he probably doesnt know or care what
system is running inside, he just presses his remote control.. and thousands of stb's won't help user community but only the manufacturers of those systems, B-plan and Eyetech/Mai.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 29-Sep-2003 15:25 GMT
"Pegasos also have been covered in slashdot a few times, but there just seems
to be talk, "wow cool, a new ppc platform" or similar and forgets about it
and continues using their cheap x86 running linux or windows."

The situation won't change in a snap of the finger. It will take resources, efforts, money of a real good deal, and an uphill struggle in the market out there, steps after steps.

At least, I see them determined to fight their uphill battle, and that's why I have respect for them.
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Posted by Hagge on 29-Sep-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
"So why need i buy the full Version?
For many Users is the Lite Version good enough to to they work!"

You have to consider that most people wouldn't buy the software in the first case.
If they don't, well, the developer got at least something.
If they get intrested in the product, well, then that's fine aswell.
I don't anyone which already was intrested in a product stop beeing it because they have a lite version already, atleast if it's "shrinked" enough. Anyway, we don't know how much they got from genesi anyway so why speculate? Might even be more than they got in real sales earlier.

And if you think it's bad for the developers, and they happen to think so to, well, then they don't have to put their package in the superbundle do they?

So well, I think we can rest assure they wanted to be in it.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2003 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
"i'm thinking if all the money used to travel around the world on shows could be spent instead to hire programmers to get the needed software onboard, maybe
things would be different ?"

I think that these shows are mainly aimed to get developers and power users.
I have been to the recent NY show and even if it was a small (an very nice) show I was surprised to meet some people that were not Amiga users, one of them is a (SUN) dealer, another one develops his own OS.
It is quite evident that the end user who knows nada about computers may be more difficult to get as you can not just go buy any HW out there and expect it to work.
Genesi has quite a lot of developer on thier payroll. They may get more if everything goes well with their plans.
Phoenix also provide an interesting developers and power user community which help to build the platform.
Thes shows are more than welcome to get in touch with people who may later be key developers for the platform.
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Posted by Hagge on 29-Sep-2003 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
"Do you think you do something special here with your SuperBundle?"

actually he do, he takes some money which he invests in getting more developers. (by paying for their products so they have an easier time and can keep on developing).

BBRV is great, eod.
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Posted by Hagge on 29-Sep-2003 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
"the MorphOS Users get no 100% MorphOS native Software they get AMIGA Software!"

ohh, and btw, that is wrong aswell. There exists native MorphOS software, it's just that it's made using AmigaOS-like APIs.
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 39 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 29-Sep-2003 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (catohagen):
Catohagen,

As Phoenix contact I see an incremental increase of people outside of the trad Amiga community inquiring and getting involved in Pegasos and MorphOS-related development and adoption. Each period these numbers climb, we are building a larger, more diverse community in steps.

Phoenix and Genesi has seeded devlopment with free and reduced-price Pegasos offers, have promoted the Superbundle concept, have made machines available to key developers, have in some cases contracted for software title development, and have designed or shown interest in bounty programs.

No, it isn't perfect. But we are proceeding on many fronts to seed development and interest, and shows and demonstrations are a part of the balance we wish to achieve.

And thanks for the feedback : }


<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
 
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 40 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by meier on 29-Sep-2003 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Didn't you write the same rubbish on Amiga News before?

It won't be more true, if you repeat it here.


By the way: look at your Commodore Extras Disk. What do you see?

Programs! Horrible! They destroyed the software market right from
the beginning!
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 41 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2003 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
We have agreed on stuff in the past you know?

I'm not anal enough to let prejudice get in the way of good judgement ;)

Cheers
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 42 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2003 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Olegil):
Hey, it's monday & i didn't get my litre of coffee yet ;)

Cheers
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 43 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2003 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Emeric SH):
Stick with the nicks, it's easier on the backspace ;)

Cheers
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 44 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2003 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (meier):
/me looks at the current market....

Hmm.... Maybe he's got a point? ;)

Cheers
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 45 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 29-Sep-2003 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Anonymous from Amiga Arena says:

> Yes Iam from the AMIGA ARENA and if somebody has a problem
> with my opinion,i dont really care because it is not a crime
> to asked questions!

> Andreas Wolf is a well know MorphOS User who have a big
> problem with my opinion against GENESI!

You make it sound like he is a communist or something! In the USA Joseph McCarthy was a senator who was in charge of the Un-American Activities Committee. He was always calling somebody a communist so he could get them. If you criticized him then he would call you a communist too. I see you and people like Mike Bouma doing the same thing, except you accuse people of being MorphOS users. When one person attended Pianeta 2003 and wrote critically about the OS4 demo, then Mike said he was a MorphOS user but this wasn't true.

PS: MorphOS is not communism.
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 46 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2003 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Daniel Miller):
Question is, wich one is worse? A Mossie or a Commie? ;)

*Disclaimer: This is a joke

Cheers
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 47 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Sep-2003 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Amon_Re):
Definitely a Boumie must the worst! ;-)

(This was a joke too!)

:-)
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 48 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 29-Sep-2003 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
catohagen says:

> i'm thinking if all the money used to travel around the world
> on shows could be spent instead to hire programmers to get the
> needed software onboard, maybe

Genesi understands this point. It was great to do things like ARC 2002 in Koeln and CES 2003 in Las Vegas (those were the two BIG ones) but they have scaled back since. BBRV understands this point. It is still way important to have representation from the company at these events, however now they begin to fly out two or three people instead of nine. So they agree with you.
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 49 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2003 22:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
"MorphOS Users get no 100% MorphOS native Software they get AMIGA Software!"


Nice MorphOS ad. You sure you don't work for them?

Stew
IOSPIRIT: Genesi Superbundle special offers : Comment 50 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 29-Sep-2003 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
In the end. I don't mjuch care if it's 68k code or PPC code as long as
it's nice, well behaving and does what's it's supposed to do.

For me, inclusion of these IOspirit programs on bundle has shown that
they are activelly and willingly supporting Pegasos/MorphOS and on my
purhcases that counts a lot.
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