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[News] Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former AttorneysANN.lu
Posted on 02-Oct-2003 05:11 GMT by Rich Woods (Edited on 2003-10-02 07:15:20 GMT by Christian Kemp)427 comments
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Amiga's Attorneys Are Granted Leave Leaving Amiga with NO Legal Representation. "This court hereby orders, judges and decrees, that Diana S. Shukis, Stephen P. VanDerhoef & Cairncross & Hempelmann P.S. may withdraw as counsel of record for Defendant Amiga, Inc. The withdrawal is effective immediately upon entry of this Order.

DONE IN OPEN COURT this 30th day of September, 2003.

/s/

Robert S. Lasnik"

Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 51 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 02-Oct-2003 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Mikey C):
" Bah, If Amiga weren`t being taken to court needlesly by a competitor on very thin grounds, Amiga would have more money to make things happen."

So they had enough money prior to the Thendic vs Amiga Inc case to fulfill their promises?

Case YES - Why didn't they delivered the T-Shirts and Vouchers?
Case NO - What are you talking about?
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 52 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Emeric SH):
Er Excuse me? Has OS4 shipped yet?

When OS4 Ships, then You can rightly say, where is the T-Shirt and Voucher?
Until then go back, sit down and wait patiently

Thank you for playing Ami-Pong :)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 53 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 02-Oct-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Mikey C):
" Thank you for playing Ami-Pong :) "

You are more tiring than Bill Buck.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 54 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Mikey C):
So, Mikey, wher are your arguments to prove the flaws in my case?

What's that? You don't HAVE any? Strange that.

Oh, and in case you have forgotten, old chap, Genesi are but the latest in a LONG line of people suing AInc - have you forgotten those cases where ex employees etc had to take AInc to court because AInc refused (and still refuse to this day) to pay them money which AInc legally owed them? Or is it OK in your world to shaft employees too, hmmm?


So, Mikey, where is your evidence to prove that AInc will deliver the t shirts and the coupons?

Unless you can offer some watertight proof (which you can't), then your bluster is proven to be just that - desperate bluster and hoping that people will not see through your empty posting as usual.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 55 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Mikey C):
So, Mikey, wher are your arguments to prove the flaws in my case?

What's that? You don't HAVE any? Strange that.

Oh, and in case you have forgotten, old chap, Genesi are but the latest in a LONG line of people suing AInc - have you forgotten those cases where ex employees etc had to take AInc to court because AInc refused (and still refuse to this day) to pay them money which AInc legally owed them? Or is it OK in your world to shaft employees too, hmmm?


So, Mikey, where is your evidence to prove that AInc will deliver the t shirts and the coupons?

Unless you can offer some watertight proof (which you can't), then your bluster is proven to be just that - desperate bluster and hoping that people will not see through your empty posting as usual.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 56 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Emeric SH):
Indeed and you should know :)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 57 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Mikey C):
Mikey Mikey Mikey, you spend too much like listening to Spamface.

The fact of the matter is, Mikey, that the t-shirt is not connected to the launch of anything other than the sCAM, and the coupon is against the purchase of an AMigaOne, period. At NO time did the sCAM state that the money was only for an AmigaOne with AmigaOS4. It is against an AmigaOne, which is already on sale (unless you want to tell us that Eyetech are also lying?).

Quit switsting things to suit your preferred point of view Mikey - it doesn't change the facts in the slightest, no matter how much you may wish for it, no matter hos often you denounce anyone who dares to hold a different opinion, and no matter how often you refer to people as al Sahaf (a joke which was boring the first time round).
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 58 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mkey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
Do be careful what you say there.

Don`t you think it`s an Amazing coincedence that at least one former employee shares the same lawyer as Genesi????

Tainted argument? Not in the least bit.

Still I don`t want this to get into a MOS Vs Amiga thread. I have already praised Genesi and it`s products. This is purely me challenging Misconceptions.

Thanks :)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 59 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 02-Oct-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Mikey C):
Ah, mystery of delayed OS4 is solved! Hyperion delayed completion of OS4 because Amiga Inc is lagging behind ;)
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 60 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
Sorry old bean you are the one who appears to be in the wrong.

Believe the anti-amiga propaganda. Believe that The Earth is square. It doesn`t matter one Iota.

Nope face it, your argument is like the dodo, extinct. But please do continue to live in your own twisted world, for it is there that you can wallow quite happily in your own misery.

The truth of the matter is that until OS4 ships, no t-shirts, no coupons. #
- Then you can moan all you like.

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 61 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (itix):
Damn! Hey Fleecy! They`ve sussed it out!

:-)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 62 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 09:42 GMT
http://www.amiga-anywhere.com/shop.php?cat_id=22&prod_id=41

"When you join "Club Amiga" for USD 50.00, (EUR 50.00, or GBP 32.50) you will receive a shirt signifying your membership and, throughout the next 12 months, you will be the first to learn of new products and receive a special monthly Club Amiga Magazine containing articles about the Amiga. Learn from other user experiences, hear the facts dispelling the latest rumors, and much more..

We will also work together with Amiga-associated companies to offer significant discounts and other special promotions to Club Amiga members."


That is the only text you see before paying the $50. According to that text, the t-shirt is part of the deal, without any conditions. Not delivering the paid item is fraud.


Also, the "$50 back" deal is valid for either AmigaONE *or* OS4. Has anyone tried to get their $50 from Amiga, Inc yet?
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 63 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
LOL!

A later notice elsewhere changed the conditions. As to the A1 Voucher again that only applies to the complete system. i.e. when AOS4 + A1 Ships.

After all people may buy an A1 and run Linux on it only. Why should they get their money back? Doh!

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 64 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mikey C):
So, Mikey, you have absolutely no counter-arguments and yet you expect everyone to believe you?

Interesting.

Especially when you read other posts here which offer evidence which proves your argument is flawed.

Tell me, Mikey - why do you insist on lying?
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 65 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Mikey C):
" A later notice elsewhere changed the conditions"

Sorry Mikey (why do I get an image from the excellent "League Of Gentlemen" forming?), but changing the terms and conditions AFTER someone has paid is not legal.

Fact.

Many of us paid our $50 based on teh terms and conditions AInc originally posted, and as such shoudl have received our t-shirts long ago AND shoudl be able to get $50 off the AmigaOne.

Face the facts, Mikey.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 66 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Oct-2003 09:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
>In Reply to Comment 5:
>> Why? Is he intellectually dishonest or are you just spreading FUD?

> Im not saying either, Randy, I am saying that Rich Woods has an obvious
> agenda against Amiga Inc. so I would not be surprised if he was selective
> about what documents that appeared on his website ( and the timing of each)
> and when they appeared.

But I am saying it's one of the two. Either you have hard proof of Rich doing such a thing (and I'm sure with you being a hard core defender of Amiga Inc, you have direct evidence from Amiga Inc's owners of such things), or your just blowing smoke/FUD. So far, you have offered no proof Rich has held back any positive documentations submitted by Amiga Inc.

> It is called having an opinion about someone else based on observation.

Having an opinion based on observation means you have proof of Rich intentionally with holding evidence submitted to the court. Where is this proof at Dave?

> "Intellectually dishonest" is such a worn phrase that is missapplied so
> much these days.

Let's see now Dave, you have attempted to say Rich is not to be trusted since he may have intentionally left out documentation submitted to the courts that would put Amiga Inc in a positive light. That's a serious charge of intellectual dishonesty against Rich. Rich has provided proof of what he says, and you have provided what, FUD?

Basically Dave, your saying that your opinion should not be called FUD, even though you have no creditable facts to base this opinion on other mear suspition? That sounds like you're the one being intellectual dishonest.

> <snip usual ranting crap about sheeplords>

It does seem the SheepLord does have the power to get your fellow OS4 Beta Testers kicked off the OS4 beta team. Best to keep the SheepLord happy, huh?

Dammy
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 67 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Hey I`m not the one believing all the Anti-Amiga propaganda. You are!

:)
:)
:)

Say all you like you not only have been duped, but you have swallowed the whole thing. Can I sell you a second hand car? Only 9000000 miles on the clock!

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 68 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 02-Oct-2003 09:59 GMT
@Mikey C

You don't make any sense.
You are acting like a 7 year old.
You are just wasting bandwidth.
You should shut up.

You are the ideal example of the Amiga fanatic/lunatic and their hallucinations.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 69 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Ronald):
And you sir have a name like a clown on a fast food joint.

But you won`t hear me complain about it :)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 70 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Mikey C):
So you've got both sides of the picture MikeyC? Some extra dimention the rest of the world hasn't heard of? go on, enlighten us..
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 71 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
Yes I have actually Thanks

Nope I can`t cos I`m not allowed to :P

All in good time :)

In the meantime, may I suggest we take this off thread? I`m sure it`s annoying everyone. I can be contacted via my email address above.

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 72 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Magic2003 on 02-Oct-2003 10:07 GMT
Oh children behave. I have never knowen a sad bunch of low life human beings wanting to slag each other off:D And As for this Richard Woods guy, I think you need to get a life.Spying on other people`s own home property is illegal and offensive, and you can go down for 5 years for what you have done.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 73 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 02-Oct-2003 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Mikey C):
That won't be necessary. You just need to stop posting and all those precious bytes will be reserved for much better use.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 74 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Ronald):
Sorry Ronald, no chance, I will keep posting whenever I feel I have to.

Now go and be cross elsewhere.

Thanks

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 75 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Magic2003):
offensive and morally dubious? yes.
illegal? no.
would I do it? hell, no!
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 76 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Magic2003 on 02-Oct-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Ronald):
Like I really care for this site anyhow. I never normaly post on here for this very simple reason. You guys are so sad and need to get out more.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 77 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Oct-2003 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Mikey C):
> Seriously why do you honestly think Amiga can`t deliver coupons and
> T-Shirts?- Serious answer expected here.

Oh, let me try this one. They failed to produce the coupons and T-Shirts because they failed to use the monies given to them by sCAM/Party Pack in accordance to the agreement they made with those purchasers. In other words Mike_C, they did failed to use those funds in the Party Pack nor sCAM in to even come close to completing their end. Shall we take a peak at US Code 18?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/63/sections/section_1346.html

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/63/sections/section_1341.html

Dammy
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 78 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Magic2003 on 02-Oct-2003 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Magic2003):
And one more thing too. How would Richard Woods like it If I came over to his place and started to take Pictures of his house and belonging’s and started to spread bull shit about him self....You wouldn’t like it would you. No. I thought not. I could quite easily make up some bull shit story and make people believe what a complete twat he really is. If the guy had any decency left in him he would stop this bull shit now and apologies to AmigaINC directly.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 79 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (dammy):
Dammy Dammy Dammy, Must be funny, in a queer old world. :)

Er As I said before Dammy and since you can`t understand it.
Why are Amiga.inc skint?
Why haven`t they got any cash?

Where has the money gone?

C`mon, you claim to be bright, use those brain cells.

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 80 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Oct-2003 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Mikey C):
> A later notice elsewhere changed the conditions. As to the A1 Voucher
> again that only applies to the complete system. i.e. when AOS4 + A1 Ships.

That's fine for those who bought after the change of conditions. Why don't you try to white wash it for those who bought (and therefore created a legally binding contract) prior? Better yet, the orginal 200+ who bought a lottery ticket for a trip to Hawaii or a A1? Where are the coupons at? 30 day clock to deliver such goods is now going into year 2. But I doubt there is much I can say to change your mind since your unable to see facts without spinning it.

Dammy
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 81 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 02-Oct-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (takemehomegrandma):
TMHGM, take a close look at the thread, it derailed into a flamefest from the beginning, and as for those "worshippers", i don't see them in this thread


Cheers
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 82 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Johan Rönnblom):
Quoting: Johan
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Now, to the guy asking why people feel this need to "kick the corpse".
Well, because the corpse stinks! Because we care about this community!
Yes, obviously there are some people around here who prefer keeping
the corpse lying around. It happens with people too, that they keep
deceased loved ones in their home because they can't accept reality.
But it's not sane! It's not healthy
------------------------------------------------------------------

Joham, "You care about the Amiga community, or you want to help it`s competitor rape what's left of it?" :(

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 83 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 02-Oct-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
It's a point of view that i understand.

My take on it? *IF* Genesi has a valid licence for the DE, then they are in my opinion doing things i can accept, +IF NOT* they're trying to kill of the competition in any means possible, a dispicable tactic, but sadly very common

I just don't trust BBRV.

Cheers
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 84 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 02-Oct-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Mikey C):
Quote: "Joham, "You care about the Amiga community, or you want to help it`s competitor rape what's left of it?" :(

Mikey C"

Raping what's left of it? Hahaha, Pure gold. Is that Baghdad Bob talking?
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 85 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Magic2003 on 02-Oct-2003 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Amon_Re):
IN the tone of Rich Woods "all the posts are valid copies of the dockets etc for the courts, and if you dont want to belive it thats your problem well if you want to do better and see what YOUR sources turn up, go ahead"
I will Richard I will.....
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 86 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 02-Oct-2003 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
@anonymous
"Also, the "$50 back" deal is valid for either AmigaONE *or* OS4. Has anyone tried to get their $50 from Amiga, Inc yet?"

I have a $100 printed party pack coupon that like you say is valid for either AmigaONE *or* OS4.
If Amiga has really $100 on their account and millions of debt I don't see how all coupons owner will get their money back.

@Mikey
"A later notice elsewhere changed the conditions. As to the A1 Voucher again that only applies to the complete system. i.e. when AOS4 + A1 Ships.

As I said I have a printed coupon. Legaly they can not change conditions later.

After all people may buy an A1 and run Linux on it only. Why should they get their money back? Doh! "

Because when you buy an amigaone you already pay for AmigaInc royalties. You already pay for the full price including OS4 and the Amiga name.
The fact that people run linux won't make less money for AmigaInc. It is a limitation for the user, not for AmigaInc.
I was promised a $100 coupon on an product that should have shipped in 2001 with OS4. We are in 2003 and the Amigaone is still shipping without OS4.
Even so I would be interested to get it without OS4 I would not be able to get my money back as Amiga is obviously unable to pay the $100 back.

I think it is a major chance that we had Genesi / Pegasos / MorphOS.
If not, a lot of us would be definitely gone.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 87 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (dammy):
Dammy who do you think you are? Consumer Watchdog?

C`mon man don`t have double standards please. We all know how many memberships you brought from Amiga. Er, let`s see, er nope I can`t get past 0.

So you come here, pretend you are a consumer`s champion. We all know, you have a pegasos. I don`t want to make this a Peg vs Amiga battle. But you just keep going on about it.

Genesi aren`t all the saints they make out to be. 1st of all they are working with the former Phase5 people, who scammed a lot of Amiga users out of their money on undelivered G3 PPC accelerators

Also I know that many are still waiting for return of their PPC accelerators, which are still held by DCE.

You are about as neutral in this matter as I am. Only I am less of an extremist. :)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 88 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Oct-2003 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Mikey C):
> Dammy Dammy Dammy, Must be funny, in a queer old world. :)

Sorry, I don't live in the SheepLord's realm.

> Er As I said before Dammy and since you can`t understand it.

Come on Mike, stop the spinjob, it will only make yourself dizzy.

> Why are Amiga.inc skint?
> Why haven`t they got any cash?

Mismanagement of Venture Capital? Violating WA state laws on treating their employees? Do I win a T-Shirt prize for guessing the correct answers?

> Where has the money gone?

Squandered on overly exorbitant salaries of McEwen/SheepLord/Randy perhaps? Squandered on ill concieved business plan? For the later squandering of monies, paying rent with monies that were suppost to be reserved to complete legal agreements betweeen Party Pack owners and sCAM buyiers(first 200 or so)/members

> C`mon, you claim to be bright, use those brain cells.

Oh, I believe I've stated my case quiet plainly and using due care to sight US Code violations. Of course you will just blow it off since you can not admit the truth without attempting to spin it to death.

Just remember Mike, take a huge heaping portion of that special pudding SheepLord offers you, it's your ticked to the spaceship that will take you to Planet Boing! (for those Euros who don't grasp my reference, do a search on Google for Heaven's Gate Cult).

Dammy
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 89 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 02-Oct-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
In a sense, I do. But they won't be able to get the brand or trademark; it reverts back to Gateway, I think :)
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 90 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (dammy):
Well Dammy why don`t you take some more vaseline and keep taking the portions, you paymasters keep delivering up your rear? :)

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 91 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 02-Oct-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Mikey C):
"Genesi aren`t all the saints they make out to be. 1st of all they are working with the former Phase5 people, who scammed a lot of Amiga users out of their money on undelivered G3 PPC accelerators "

I see, if you happen to hire someone who worked for a CEO who scammed people you are a thief.
It is like to say that whoever hire Ray next is not a saint because Amiga scammed people.

"Also I know that many are still waiting for return of their PPC accelerators, which are still held by DCE."

Wich is a DCE problem. DCE dropped customer support long ago. Vesalia has been doing DCE customer support.
Genesi did GREAT exchanging all non April Pegasos board, boards broken during shipping.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 92 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 02-Oct-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Don Cox):
[QUOTE]
In Reply to Comment 26:
"If the case is dropped by Amiga, then Thendic/Genesi/Pegasos/Morphos win and the AmigaDE shows up in the product there--but with money flowing back to Amiga because it's a license "

The DE won`t show up in the product by magic - somebody has to do the coding work involved in the port, which will cost money. My guess is that it will cost much more to port the DE to MorphOS than the license fees would bring in.

And Amiga Inc would have to fund the port first. From what funds?
[/QUOTE]

A couple of points here--and by the way, Don, your posts have always been reasonable, in my view...

What you quoted that I said was only one of several paths or choices that I see that Amiga could take, just so it is known that I wasn't really favoring one over another, but somewhat doing a quick recap.

Of course it won't be there by magic. But that's an interesting view in itself there, now that you bring it up :-) It may well be *detrimental* to Amiga to live up to the agreement *as perceived by Thenic/Genesi* (if it turns out that Amiga is ruled against and the AmigaDE should have been placed on that device called Pegasos). It's kind of an interesting spin; really makes it logical that such a perceived agreement (perceived to be extending to Pegasos or 'any' device made by Genesi) had to be dropped, or even postponed due to finances being the way they are.

Of course, if bankruptcy does happen, I guess they won't get AmigaDE anyway, in that context.

--EyeAm
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 93 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 02-Oct-2003 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Mikey C):
"Joham, "You care about the Amiga community, or you want to help it`s competitor rape what's left of it?" :( "

Since I bought the competitor solution I may answer.
I would certainly have left the community without them. I would also not have spend a fair amount of cash on the applications I bought recently from Amiga developers and on the hardware I bought from my Amiga dealer.
My contribution may help them to stay in business and selling OS4 products later.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 94 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 02-Oct-2003 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
To all AMigaInc blind followers ...
ALL times that Ricky posted news, after some days the documents appear on his website to confirm his anticipations. So stay calm with the word FUD.
Anyway, the silence of AmigaInc is a clear sign of the moment.
I can repeat that I was really bored for AMigaInc actions (UN-action) during latest 3 years, but I hope that at last developers and people who spend their time in AmigaInc receive their money :(
Bad black moments, similar to the end of Escom in 1996.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 95 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 02-Oct-2003 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Emeric SH):
[QUOTE]
In Reply to Comment 52:
" Thank you for playing Ami-Pong :) "

You are more tiring than Bill Buck.
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Mikey C is funnier :)
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 96 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 02-Oct-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (itix):
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They share 1 thing in common, a major dislike of Amiga Inc.

Majority of this community dislike Amiga Inc.
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OPEN your eyes and ask you why ...
Only blind followers can continue to repeat these things Itix. Read your answer.
Is this an answer to the tread?
There are dociments,there are facts, CONFIRMED by AmigaInc people like Fleccy.
It's possible to stop the manipulation of reality with tis useless post like yours.

AMigaInc is going banckrupt, as Bill said when he declared "We are a company with only 100$ in bank"; and this is THX to the wise amigainc politics of the latest 3 years.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 97 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 02-Oct-2003 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Eva):
To all EVA with their heads in the sand. - Whoops there is only one!

Look, both sides are sick and tired of your posts, give it a rest. You add nothing useful to the debate, you couldn`t port a boat let alone an OS like OS4 and for Pete`s sake go and post in. comp.sys.silly.person.

You make Dammy look balanced

Mikey C
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 98 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 02-Oct-2003 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Mikey C):
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Joham, "You care about the Amiga community, or you want to help it`s competitor rape what's left of it?" :(
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

By community you raelly mean Amiga Inc.

A competitor to a product never harms the user, since the use gets the product they want for a cheaper price or to better quality.

I have no desire to stick up for Genesi, but they have taken nothing from the community, but they have provided a product that meets the community's specification for a good price, but for one small thing... the name.

Had there been no Genesi, please don't for a second believe there would be an AmgiaOne or an OS4.
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 99 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Oct-2003 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Mikey C):
> In Reply to Comment 80:
> Dammy who do you think you are? Consumer Watchdog?

Nope, just interested in seeing criminal's punished.

> C`mon man don`t have double standards please.

What criminal activity, especially fraud, have I given passes on? Eh Mike?

> We all know how many memberships you brought from Amiga. Er, let`s see, er
> nope I can`t get past 0.

And how does that change violation of US Code Title 18? Uh? My your warped thought pattern, if someone is murdered, it's none of my business if I'm not related to the victim. Is that what your trying to say here Mike? If I don't have direct association with a victim or the victim myself of a crime, I should shut up? What a weird world you live in.


> So you come here, pretend you are a consumer`s champion. We all know, you
> have a pegasos.

You sir, are a liar. A bold faced *LIAR*. Mike, do you really have to stoop to lying on the boards to defend Amiga Inc's activities? For shame on you Mike! A grown man stooping to such a thing. You truly are a pathetic.

> I don`t want to make this a Peg vs Amiga battle. But you just keep going
> on about it.

WTF do I care about your over blown battles against Genesi? Your distortion of the truth and now out right lies are offensive to me, hence I reply.

> Genesi aren`t all the saints they make out to be. 1st of all they are
> working with the former Phase5 people, who scammed a lot of Amiga users
> out of their money on undelivered G3 PPC accelerators

I haven't followed that too closely, which owners of Phase5 (a company I was not a supporter of if you remember from CSAM days) are now employees or co-owners of Genesi? I won't shed blame on any employee of Phase5 unless they were public speaking officials of the company, then I would feel free to flame their very existance within the Amiga Community.

> Also I know that many are still waiting for return of their PPC accelerators, > which are still held by DCE.

OK, I'll bite. Just who are these many? Care to name them? Or is this just more bold face lies of yours?

> You are about as neutral in this matter as I am. Only I am less of an
> extremist. :)

No, your clearly a liar. I think you've embaressed yourself enough for the month, go back under your favorite boingball bridge.

Dammy
Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 100 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 02-Oct-2003 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
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Mikey, don't make an idiot out of yourself.
I would expect more intelligence from you than this old and tiring "they must be scared since they do x" argumentation. The thing goes both ways. We're not 7 year olds (I hope).
PS. You could try NOT biting the bait for once.
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The prob for you is that all Mikey words are true.
Peasos is the only step foward for amigac community an MOs, the only real and usable Os on PPC that use an approach similar to AmigaOs, where ALL amiga Os users find themselves comfortable.

The real proble now is for my friends in Aos4 projects.
Hyperion continues to repeat that its contact is strong, that a banckrupt of AmigaInc is not a problem ... but the problem is here.

All creditors of AmigaINc can easly lawsuit Hyperion (if and when Aos4 will be release) to obtain from Os4 the money that Bill Mc and company loose.
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